Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

neeraj · Post by **neeraj** » 28 Jun 2010 14:10

satyam wrote: Another lie by Pakiz

http://www.pama.org.pk/productionjuly2004.htm

Number of motorcycles sold in 11 month=670,904

Why do these Pakiz lie so much ?

Interesting thing to note is that the paki wonder car Habib is listed under motorcycles and 3 wheelers:rotfl:. Sales are increasing every year.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 28 Jun 2010 14:26

18 gone...it is not a purity related incident....so they have to share 4 virgins each..

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 28 Jun 2010 15:12

How can you sell more than what you produce?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 28 Jun 2010 15:32

Exclusive: “Pure” Pakistan’s Internet Perverts

Adrian Morgan

Pakistan’s name means “Land of the Pure,” but some of its internet users appear to be decidedly “impure.” About four years ago, I was first introduced to Google Trends, a feature whereby Google monitors and publishes records of its internet searches. Any person can access this data. What had drawn my interest was a short article that appeared in the Pakistan Daily Times from May 17, 2006, which I reproduce here:

Pakistan most sex-starved

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: Google, the world’s most popular Internet search engine, has found in a survey that mostly Muslim states seek access to sex-related websites and Pakistan tops the list. Google found that of the top 10 countries - searching for sex-related sites - six were Muslim, with Pakistan on the top. The other Muslim countries are Egypt at number 2, Iran at 4, Morocco at 5, Saudi Arabia at 7 and Turkey at 8. Non-Muslim states are Vietnam at 3, India at 6, Philippines at 9 and Poland at 10.

I began some research of my own. It was the nature of the ***** then being hunted within Muslim countries that was disturbing. Those searches showed then that Pakistan came top of the list of searches for a range of perverse interests.

Google Trends data has been gathered since 2004. A search of all data for those using Google to seek out “child sex” from the years 2004 until now places Pakistan far ahead of any other country. Narrowing down the parameters, a search specifically targeted for the current year (2010) again shows that Pakistan tops the list of countries where internet users have searched for the term “child sex”.

Google Trends can present data of searches carried out during every month and every year from April 2004 up until the present. Pakistan topped the list of Google’s internet searches for “child sex” in 2004, in 2005, in 2006, in 2007, in 2008, and in 2009.

Just in case anyone argues that the data could refer to innocent searches made by developmental psychology students, Google Trends shows that when the term “child f***ing” is examined, across all years from 2004 until now, the highest amount of searches for this term came from Pakistan. Similarly, of all global Google searches for “naked child” from 2004 till now, Pakistan still tops the list. Google Trends reveals that of all global Google searches, from 2006 to 2010, for the term “child sex video” Pakistan was second in the world, only being outdone by Bangladesh (a country that was once officially part of Pakistan).

Why should this be? Is this “cultural”, relating to Pakistan’s regional customs?

Cont'd at http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/pu ... detail.asp

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 28 Jun 2010 15:33

krishnan wrote:How can you sell more than what you produce?

Inventory of previous month.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Jun 2010 15:33

krishnan wrote:How can you sell more than what you produce?

Some get no delivery!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jun 2010 15:43

PM-to-Obama: Pak must act against terror directed at India

India today told the US that Pakistan should realise the importance of the disclosures made by LeT operative David Headley and take action against terrorism emanating from its soil directed towards it.

India's concerns were conveyed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to US President Barack Obama during a half-hour meeting between them on the sidelines of the G-20 Summit here.

The activities of Headley came up for discussion in the light of information coming out of Pakistani-American LeT operative and the two leaders also went over the fact whether Pakistan is serious in using this information in tackling terror in the region.

The Prime Minister told Obama that while peace initiatives had their place, it was for Pakistan to show whether it was serious about using that information to tackle terrorism in the region.

When asked about Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik's reported statement that it was not possible for either Pakistan or India to control the likes of LeT chief Hafiz Saeed, she said it was possible for Pakistan to control the activities of people like Saeed who were not doing right for relationship between the two countries.

She said Home Minister P Chidambaram during his trip to Pakistan had told them that it was India's hope that Pakistan continues to pay attention to the activities of Saeed it was still possible for Pakistan to take action against them.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jun 2010 16:27

Acharya wrote:Gandhi was trying to oppose the imperial powers and their plans by supporting the Khilafat. It was just a geopolitical move

Acharya, see my post here

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 28 Jun 2010 16:43

A Pakistani author's view of the Ulema vs the Muslim League:
http://www.ghazali.net/book1/chapter_2.htm

The leadership of the Muslim community had passed out of the hands of the Ulema after the Rebellion of 1857. The Ulema stood aloof, except for the issuance of a fatwa, supporting the entry of the Muslims into the Congress, when Sir Syed Ahmed opposed it. The Muslim nation followed the political lead of Sir Syed Ahmad, in the nineteenth century and rejected the Ulema. But in religion they followed the Ulema and rejected Sir Syed Ahmad Khan. Much the same happened in the 40's of the twentieth century.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Jun 2010 16:55

A_Gupta wrote:1 millon motorcycles manufactured and sold in Pakistan in 11 months - so things are not as bad there yet as suggested by some. Maybe it will be motorcycle gangs invading India? http://criticalppp.com/archives/16887

The pajis nail their own lie:

Pakistan is going through a terrible economic situation, how can motorcycle companies sell more than 1 million motorcycles within 11 months of a year? Answer – beats me!

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 28 Jun 2010 16:57

anupmisra wrote:
The pajis nail their own lie:

Pakistan is going through a terrible economic situation, how can motorcycle companies sell more than 1 million motorcycles within 11 months of a year? Answer – beats me!

They count second hand also.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Jun 2010 17:05

Pranav wrote: Cont'd at http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/pu ... detail.asp

Lies! Damned lies! Being done to discredit Pakistan and Muslims. Islamophobia.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 28 Jun 2010 17:06

The counting game (emphasis added in all cases)

The article on J-man cited by SSridhar has this:

Jinnah’s ambiguous references to Islam, Islamic ideals and Islamic unity are used to demolish his vision of the state which he clearly expressed on — as per last count — at least three dozen occasions.

To which we should add some other number:
Zero
http://www.pakistanideology.com/pakista ... -islamist/

In my book I showed that there are literally hundreds of references to Islamic terminology and principles in Mr. Jinnah’s speeches. Additionally, whilst he stressed the absolute equality of non-Muslim citizens in Pakistan, he never once used the word ‘secular’ to describe the country.

Ninety
http://www.dawn.com/events/pml/review38.htm

Prof Abdul Waheed Siddiqui has counted 90 speeches made by Jinnah between 1940 and 1947 in which he spoke of an Islamic State.

I think Hoodbhoy has it right:
http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... -a-nation/

Decades after the horrific bloodbath of Partition, the idea of Pakistan remains hotly debated. It did not help that Jinnah died in 1948, just a year after Pakistan was born, with his plans still ambiguously stated. He authored no books and wrote no policy paper. He did make many speeches, of which several were driven by political expediency and are frankly contradictory. These are freely cherry-picked today, with some finding in them a liberal and secular voice; others, an embodiment of Islamic values. The confusion is irresolvable.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jun 2010 17:34

Shahid Javed Burki, a leading economist and political commentator of Pakistan wrote in a circa 2008 op-ed thus:

In its original form, Pakistan was perhaps a non-sustainable political creation. It was an artifact that responded to a particular situation that developed under the long British rule.There is no reason why the two ‘wings’ of the country should have stayed together. The very fact that they were called ‘wings’ suggested that the country’s body existed somewhere else. It is legitimate to ask the question: what is now the idea of Pakistan. Institutional economics — a relatively new discipline pioneered by Douglass North, the Nobel Prize-winning economist — postulates that a great deal of human activity is governed by what it calls belief systems. These systems are the product of historical accumulation. They are not static but, instead, are exceptionally dynamic. The creation of Pakistan was indeed based on an idea — Jinnah’s two-nation theory — but many years have elapsed since that postulate was first put forward. The concept that Pakistan was needed to preserve the separate identity of the Muslim community of British India, may not have worked to keep together the two wings of the country that were attached to the body of Hindu India. But history produces its own imperatives.Jinnah’s two-nation theory is now 70 years old. It resulted in the partition of British India and the creation of two separate political entities. One of those split into two and what was once British India is now three separate states with their own histories and their own imperatives. Two of them — Bangladesh and Pakistan — are still searching for answers that would help them forge the meaning of nationhood. How should Pakistan define itself at this critical juncture in its history? Notwithstanding the bloody campaign launched by some stateless groups, religion can’t be the basis of Pakistan’s nationhood. There are too many different interpretations of what can be called an Islamic state for Pakistan to risk its future on that concept. For the same reason, ethnicity can’t be the defining concept. We have to be pragmatic: we need to define the Pakistani identity and the Pakistani idea on the basis of geography rather than on the basis of culture and religion. What is Pakistan today is a piece of real estate occupied by more than 2.5 per cent of world’s population that must find a way of pursuing economic, political and social objectives that serve the entire citizenry. This is the only way forward.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jun 2010 18:14

Police rescue ex-Colonel & 2 others from Karachi kidnappers

A former colonel of the Pakistan Army and his two friends-cum-business partners were recovered from the captivity of kidnappers in a joint operation . . . Anisur Rehman and his companions Khalid Soori and Arshad Lodhi were abducted . . . Rehman was currently appointed as a special pilot for the director general of the Pakistan's Frontier Constabulary on deputation. . . . The kidnappers demanded Rs 20 million ransom and their families almost agreed to pay the amount.

The military connection and the Karachi location make it out as a HuJI or Brigade 313 operation.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Jun 2010 18:31

This was probably posted earlier. Posting again just in case:
THE SUN IN THE SKY: THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PAKISTAN’S ISI AND AFGHAN INSURGENTS

Matt Waldman
Carr Center for Human Rights Policy
Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University
June 2010
Crisis States Discussion Papers

An Excerpt

According to the conflict analyst: ‘There is not an equal relationship between the ISI and
Taliban – the ISI are far more powerful. The Taliban don’t have any choice except to live in
Pakistan; where else can they go? One former Taliban deputy minister said he thought
Taliban leaders in Pakistan were ‘living under pressure … they fear the Pakistan government,
that their families will be taken to prison. This is confirmed by a joint US, NATO and
Afghan intelligence assessment from June 2006, which concludes: ‘A large number of those
fighting are doing so under duress as a result of pressure from the ISI.

The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) has a deliberate decapitation strategy that
uses special forces to target Taliban commanders, which has been remarkably effective (as
confirmed by ISAF officials and a majority of commanders interviewed). Thus, to some
extent, Taliban leaders are caught between pressure and the threat of imprisonment from the
ISI, and Afghan and international forces north of the border. Interviews suggest that Talibs
deeply resent the ISI pressure. Indeed, one interviewee who has frequent contact with
Taliban leaders and commanders said the only people they hate more than the Americans are
the ISI.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Jun 2010 20:28

Indo-Pak dialogue: undertones and ramifications

Its clear to me at least as to what is going on with MMS's bhaichara initatives. First, on AfPak, bascially, India has conceeded the primacy of TSP, which means no teeth to India's presence except to take orders from TSP. With all the goodies and resources India brings to the table, TSPA will only be too happy to play Lord; thoo:

Sidelined at the London Conference and increasingly discounted in the emerging Afghan situation, it is to recover their lost position on the table that India seeks to engage Pakistan. With a more amenable Pakistan willing to let the Indian foot in, in turn for a promising bilateral engagement that will deliver peace in the wake of, perhaps, the most challenging time since the break-up of the country in 1971, the chances for India in Afghanistan look better.

On terror, just how seriously TSP takes India's protestation are clear from this, if any confirmation was needed that is

Even if Hafiz Saeed and all those under trial for their alleged role in the Mumbai incident were to be incarcerated and punished, it may only serve to satisfy India’s bloated sense of self-importance, seeking manifest redemption of its wounded pride

In other words, what are you f$%^&ers talking about terror like the white boys and accusing TSP, you are like us, we are getting attacked and so are you; get off your pompous moral high horse.

With MMS's declaration that TSP is also victim onlee, joint terror mechanism with the terrorists themselves, and above all, shameless talk about "Hindu terrorism" with TSP; this point too has been conceeded by India.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Jun 2010 20:41

F-16s can be used against any adversary: PAF chief

SHAHBAZ AIR BASE (Jacobabad): The Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, has said there is no restriction on the use of newly-acquired F-16 combat aircraft against any adversary.

“Our mission is to maintain peace in the region with honour, but if the primary effort fails we will use all our assets, including these aircraft, to defend our country against any internal or external threats,” he said.

The aircraft have been purchased from the United States for $1.4 billion. The ceremony was attended by Chief of Staff of US Air Force Gen Norton A. Schwartz, US Ambassador to Pakistan Anne W. Patterson, US Air Forces’ Central Command chief Gen Mike Hostage and US Defence Representative to Pakistan Vice Admiral Michael A. LeFever.

“The issue of trust between the two countries would take some time to be established fully, but the ceremony was an important step in that direction,” he said.

He said the new F-16s would provide the PAF all-weather day and night precision attack capability, adding a new dimension to the PAF potential. He said that operationalising capabilities of the new aircraft and mastering their technology was a challenge for the PAF, but expressed the confidence that it would be done in weeks and months.

“Pakistan’s new F-16s will give PAF pilots and Pakistan’s military an unprecedented advantage against extremist groups who threaten Pakistan and the region by enabling precision targeting in all-weather conditions, during both day and night, while reducing potential for collateral damage,” Gen Schawrtz said.

“The aircraft will also enable increased tactical inter-operability between the PAF, the US Air Force and Isaf coalition air forces – greatly bolstering our ability to jointly communicate, coordinate and work together to achieve common goals while boosting the PAF’s status as a world-class air force.”

US Ambassador Anne W. Patterson said the ceremony was a manifestation of deep and broad strategic partnership between the two countries.

She referred to the useful discussion in a number of areas during the strategic dialogue and said the US was committed to a long-term partnership with an old ally.

She said both the countries were working together to make the region and the world peaceful and secure.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Jun 2010 20:46

Country drifting towards civil conflict: Sheikh Rashid

KARACHI: Awami Muslim League leader Sheikh Rashid Ahmed has said that target killings are continuing in Karachi while at the same time Punjabi's are being killed in Balochistan.

He said that the country is slowly drifting towards a civil conflict, while the current leadership is unable to do anything about it. The people should be coming out on the streets to protest, he said.

Speaking at a press conference in Karachi, Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said that inflation, unemployment and lawlessness is continuing in the country. There are only Rs 400 bn reserves in PASCO and TCP, he said.

The Awami Muslim League chief said that the people have become fed up with the current situation, while the present leadership has failed to come up with any solution. -DawnNews

Vashishtha · Post by **Vashishtha** » 28 Jun 2010 20:56

shiv wrote:
Pranav wrote: Cont'd at http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/pu ... detail.asp
Lies! Damned lies! Being done to discredit Pakistan and Muslims. Islamophobia.

What I found in 2006 was that Pakistan also topped the list of Google Trend’s searches for animal sex. Over all years and regions, Pakistan still has the highest number of people Googling for animal sex.

I broke this down into individual categories. In 2006, Pakistan led all nations who hunted for dog sex, and in all years and regions, it still tops the list. Pakistan leads the field in 2010 in hunts for web searches for pig sex, as it did in 2006 and in all hunts from 2004 to 2010. Both pigs and dogs are regarded as “unclean” in Islam, so such hunts may be seen as a rebellion against their upbringing. From the time period 2004 to 2010, Pakistan has consistently been far ahead of any other country in web hunts for donkey sex, and also goat sex, horse sex and camel sex.

that is f***ing disgusting

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Jun 2010 21:02

Those Google queries were probably from the Motorhamas looking for better alternatives than their cousins!

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 28 Jun 2010 21:13

dog sex

Dogs are haraam, aren't they?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 28 Jun 2010 21:23

what can they do...poor fellows...when all virgins are reserved for soosai bummers...either look for peach bottoms or this...actually it is not unexpected for animals to be interested in animals...rule of nature...

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Jun 2010 21:30

CRamS wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:^^^ scare mongering for the heck of it, lapped up by the DDM no doubt
Its equal equalitis up the ladder of escalation. First it was both India & TSP are victims onlee and both should jointly fight "extremists on both sides". Now it seems: a) TSP is protecting both India & itself from the Taliban, and b) LET/ISI are a threat to both India & TSP. (yesterday's TOIlet).

When Pakistan military and army is the Taliban then it is in the border of India.

Kamboja · Post by **Kamboja** » 28 Jun 2010 21:57

shiv wrote:
Pranav wrote: Cont'd at http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/pu ... detail.asp
Lies! Damned lies! Being done to discredit Pakistan and Muslims. Islamophobia.

Clearly there is onlee one answer here...

Tens of millions of unholy yankee/yahudi/yindu agents have been infiltrated into Pakistan to conduct internet operations to bring bad name to Pakistan!!!! This becomes obvious when one realizes that no Muslim would be entering such haram search phrases, therefore onlee a 'foreign hand' can be responsible for this.

Alhamdulillah that Paki justice system has taken appropriate steps to ban Google, YouTube and all other internets from Pakistan. Now all these RAW/CIA/Mossad pr0n agents must be rooted out and exposed by the pious to restore echandee of Pakistan as purest of the pure countries!

Jaspreet · Post by **Jaspreet** » 28 Jun 2010 22:21

Tens of millions of unholy yankee/yahudi/yindu agents have been infiltrated into Pakistan to conduct internet operations to bring bad name to Pakistan!!!!

They don't have to physically infiltrate Pakistan. They can simply install their software agents ("mal"ware) inside Pure machines.

Vashishtha · Post by **Vashishtha** » 28 Jun 2010 22:29

[quote=Jaspreet]("mal"ware)[/quote]
looooooooollllllll!!!!!!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Jun 2010 22:44

NO Info about the proper use of Holy Kamel by Maar de-Momin Poakies and Poakianis enjoying Jannat right here on Earth.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Jun 2010 23:04

Arms on Pakistan-bound ship from UN mission: Bangladesh

Something black in the lentils, Saar!

Bangladesh's army said Monday that an arms-laden ship bound for Pakistan detained by Indian authorities last week was returning weapons used during a UN peacekeeping mission.

The ship was returning decommissioned weapons used by Pakistani peacekeepers during a United Nations peacekeeping mission in Liberia, Bangladesh armed forces spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Kazi Kabirul Islam said in a statement.

He said the ship was carrying decommissioned weapons used by Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Nepalese UN peacekeeping contingents.

From Liberia, the most direct route to K'rachi is via Chittagong. Yeah right!

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 28 Jun 2010 23:19

Suppiah wrote:what can they do...poor fellows...when all virgins are reserved for soosai bummers...either look for peach bottoms or this...actually it is not unexpected for animals to be interested in animals...rule of nature...

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 29 Jun 2010 02:16

An Opinion piece by Xerox Khan from the News.

Cheaper than water

Random thoughts - Monday, June 28, 2010 - Dr A Q Khan

The old saying “Nowadays blood is cheaper than water” tragically manifested itself at Karbala when the army of Yazid surrounded Hazrat Imam Hussain (RA), the grandson of our Holy Prophet (PBUH), and his family and stopped their access to water. In all 72 people were martyred there. Hazrat Abbas (RA), brother of Hazrat Imam Hussain (RA) could not bear to see the suffering of the thirsty children and went out alone to fetch water from the river, ignoring the dangers involved. He was soon surrounded by the enemy and his hands were chopped off. Thereupon he held the leather water bag in his mouth. This scene has been immortalised by the legendary marsiago (composer of dirges), Mir Anis, in the following words:

Mashkiza tha key sheyr key munh mey shikar tha?

A somewhat similar situation prevails today and applies to this whole poor country. Items of daily necessity, though not completely unavailable, are beyond the reach of the poor (i.e., most of our countrymen). It has become a tradition in our country that whenever a shortage of some item is imminent, hoarders and profiteers create an artificial shortage and then sell it at an exorbitant price. People have no option but to pay the price demanded. Not only is the price exorbitant, but quality is compromised too. The most recent examples of this are of flour and sugar. The poor suffered while the hoarders and profiteers made billions, practically overnight. It is most unfortunate that both the ruling elite and the opposition participate in this dirty practice, and hence no strict measures are taken or enforced to contain the menace.

In the olden days life was much simpler. People were content and thankful to Allah. If they could afford only roti and dahl they were not ashamed to say so. Nowadays dahl costs about Rs100 per kg, way beyond the means of the poor.

Every day we see more than one ad on TV promoting one brand or another of edible oils. Tables are shown over-laden with dishes of all kinds, with only two, three or four people at the table. Imagine the feelings this vulgar display must create in the hearts of the millions of poor who can’t even afford three square meals a day. It is high time a code of conduct was laid down for TV advertisements. Ads such as these should not be shown, as they are an insult to the poor and their poverty.

While meat, vegetables, fruits, pulses, flour, sugar, tea, etc., are essential commodities, let us not forget water–I mean clean, potable water. Due to load-shedding and mismanagement by the supplying agencies, there is hardly any water available in the supply lines. One sees long queues of poor people–old men, women and children–gathered around a single tap to get a container full of water. They mostly have to depend on tankers, which seem to be under the control of a mafia. While to the poor water is sold at a high price–and even then it is not potable, often brackish and/or taken from unhygienic sources–the well-to-do can enjoy bottled mineral water. It is difficult to say whether the mineral water supplied by many companies is actually of good quality, but the illusion of drinking pure water gives great satisfaction to the rich.

So much about food and water–necessities of life–but even more shocking is the fact that blood seems to have become cheaper than water in this Land of the Pure. When you leave your house, you are not sure whether you will return alive. There are many dangers lurking outside–traffic accidents due to rash and negligent driving, kidnapping for ransom and targeted killings, to name but a few. Being fed up with officials’ lethargic attitude, the mischief perpetrated by influential people, such as the feudals, and without having recourse to justice, people have taken matters into their own hands, resorting to any means. Equally deplorable are the actions taken by the various intelligence agencies whereby opponents of those in power are either made to disappear or are killed in fake encounters. Worse still is the complicity of the rulers in allowing US drone attacks. Thousands of innocent men, women and children have been literally blown to pieces without having anything to do with insurgents (if you must insist on calling them this).

Even those who have taken oaths to protect our physical frontiers (but are often more interested in the so-called ideological ones) have joined hands in this dirty work, all for the sake of a few dollars and a few trips to the USA. We are so proud of ourselves when we eagerly claim to have killed X number of our own people. Do we perhaps receive head bounties, as Gen Musharraf claimed in his book? Why bother with a complicated oath. Why not a simple one whereby it is agreed to obey, without question, every order given by the rulers?

As if all this is not enough, the cruel method of targeted killings to eliminate opponents has now become common. The residents of Karachi–my city–have become the main targets. The city (and the whole province) is ruled by a PPP-MQM-ANP coalition, and each party is blaming the other for this heinous crime. Only ordinary citizens are targeted. Not a single leader of any party has sacrificed his life. Condemnation of these acts has been formulated, promises made and secret talks held, but nothing changes. It seems that in Karachi, blood is much cheaper than water, even more so than it was at Karbala. We can’t expect Hazrat Umar (RA) or Hajjaj bin Yusuf to bring peace and stop this menace, but we can hope for someone effective to put an end to this heinous crime. Whenever some unknown person is killed, one or other of the parties immediately claim them to be their party member and the claims of the number of people killed is increased for political leverage.

We all know that the law enforcing agencies are under the command of the above-mentioned coalition. Meetings are regularly held, committees are formed, but nobody is ever arrested despite his being recognisable on security cameras or mobile phone pictures/videos.

If we look at Islamic history, we find many occasions when blood was cheaper than water. The first was the murder by Alauddin Khwarazm Shah of Mongol Muslim traders and Genghis Khan’s vengeance. The whole kingdom was destroyed, Bokhara, Samarqand, etc., were razed to the ground. More than a million Muslims later massacred. The bloodshed involved included massacres during the sacking of Baghdad. The caliph himself was murdered, together with the whole population (by Hulagu Khan, son of Genghis Khan). Fortunately, Allah sent Malik Az-Zaheer Baybars, the Seljuk king of Egypt, who defeated the Mongols, broke their strength and saved Syria, present-day Jordan and Egypt.

Before that, the wars of Jamal and Siffin between the Muslims themselves saw almost a hundred thousand people killed. The massacre of thousand of Muslims in Delhi by Nadir Shah and Ahmad Shah Abdali and about eighty thousand Muslims were killed by the Crusaders after they occupied Jerusalem. In all these episodes, life counted for nothing and blood became cheaper than water, even as it is in our country today.

It was Xerox Khan's promise of delivering a nuke that TSP PM Bhutto declared "that we'll eat grass, but we'll make a nuclear bomb". After managing to borrow the cheeni nuke and paint it green when it was the turn of TSPians to eat grass, Xerox Khan is lamenting the grass. TSP's dilemma - Damned if you Do, Damned if you Don't.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 29 Jun 2010 02:31

An Opinion piece by Sherry Rehman (made famous by her youtube video with TSP PM during a protest march) from the News.

The embrace of insanity

Monday, June 28, 2010 - Sherry Rehman - The writer is an MNA and former federal minister for information.

The nexus between state identity and religion is always a dangerous link. When citizens are massacred and abused on the status of their religious identity, then the slide into bestiality is no longer a heartbeat away. It is firmly among us. At this point only unmitigated public outrage and a matching state response puts us back in the league of the civilized and therefore, human.

The massacre of Ahmadis in Lahore is not the first event to have exposed fault lines in the crafting of a national identity in Pakistan. The Christian pogrom at Gojra in 2009 where the police provided impunity to the attackers, instead of protection to the victims, did just the same. Equally disturbing is the level and scale of ambiguity from several political parties on the action that governments need to take to protect their citizens.

Of course many voices were raised at the brutal attack on May 28, but a religious party actually had the audacity to exhort minorities to live within their implicitly secondary status in Pakistan. Eleven of them condemned the Punjab leadership for declaring solidarity with the Ahmadis, in an act of state contrition. The parliament rallied eventually to voice their condemnation, but even among the heartland of non-denominational parties from Punjab the reluctance exposed the rot at the heart of the promise. One public official from Punjab actually said on a live public transmission that he could not even remove the banners inciting hate against the Ahmadis. We cannot handle the repercussions of that, he openly confessed. Several politicians from across the political divide held their peace as many retained links to extremist and sectarian parties for their votes, mainly again from Punjab.

This admission of state inability to punish minority-haters is no small event. It reinforces the belief that like the murderers at Gojra, the Ahmadi-killers too will remain unpunished. It tears the mask from the conceit that in Pakistan, despite its contested identity, the government will at least strive to adhere to some of the fundamental rights of equal citizenship enshrined in the Constitution to all minorities.

Of course these notional equalities too were brought into challenge by the 18th Constitutional Amendment, which despite its welcome thrust at restoring many entitlements, including the right for minorities to worship “freely” reversed some critical ones, by creating an obligation to be Muslim to be president or prime minister. This clearly states that according to the Constitution now, the right to represent Pakistan in its top elected offices can only go to Muslims. Will we one day only allow a particular sect of Muslims to represent Pakistan? Because if we continue on these lines, that is the next logical step on a slippery slope of concessions that began with the Objectives Resolution. No one should be surprised that Shia doctors are the target of another grisly round of planned exterminations in Karachi.

There can be no right to worship “freely”, if a community is made to carry its denomination on its sleeve, like a star of David in Nazi Germany. To qualify for a Pakistani passport, that ultimate marker of citizenship, all Pakistanis have to sign a disclaimer confirming each person’s commitment to condemn the Ahmadis, and this continues even today. Other than the anti-Ahmadiya Ordinance passed in 1984, which has not been allowed to lapse, the Zia government took several steps to marginalize and persecute this largely educated community. In order to forswear their citizenship, Pakistan has forgone its only Nobel prize-winning laureate, Professor Abdus Salaam, who accepted his physics prize in national dress. Vicious anti-Ahmadiya propaganda was inculcated in classrooms, and there have been many episodes since then, when Ahmadi students were beaten, tortured and hounded on false charges of blasphemy under the black laws introduced in 1986. The list is long and shameful.

Violence gains velocity in an atmosphere of impunity. Quite simply, in the absence of state action, there is little opposition to the narrative that always shifts the debate off-centre from the rights of Pakistani citizens. On all the television channels, religious leaders pop up to cite the primacy of religious law, undeterred and possibly spurred on by the fact that there is no one single codified Islamic law, to subvert the polar axis of the discourse to a privatized view of justice. The rights of citizens as guaranteed under the Constitution get left far behind, while the counter-narrative from civil society and isolated political voices based on recourse in the Constitution, remains un-buttressed by support from the state.

Inertia at a time when moral and political choices have to be made amounts to complicity with turpitude. The government has a unique opportunity to begin incremental reversals of this embrace of insanity. The Constitution, battered as it is, protects minorities very explicitly. While it can certainly do more, even a token adherence to a slew of clauses, particularly Article 20, which allows “each citizen to have the right to profess, practice and propagate his religion” can go a long way in shutting down vitriol against citizens who peacefully worship according to their faith. The courts too can and should use these provisions to take suo moto notice of such outrages in the name of religiosity. So far the superior courts have remained silent on the flagrant violation of the Constitution.

In order to confront this political Islamist lobby it would be useful to remind all concerned that in Islam the core idea of justice is seen as the highest moral path to practical proximity to God. As for minorities specifically, the government can exhort detractors by iterating the words and deeds of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) when he says: “Beware! If anyone dare oppress a member of a minority or has usurped his or her rights, or tortured, or tool away something forcibly, I will fight on behalf of the minority against the Muslim on the day of Judgement.” (Sunaan–I–Abu Dawood).

The government can start by following up on the review of the Blasphemy Laws promised last year. If the debate is given priority, this parliament will provide the majority needed, and it must act fast to block reactionary hangovers from past governments to challenge the emerging national consensus against extremism and terrorism. There can be no equivocation on the truth that militancy, extremism and terrorism are explicitly connected in Pakistan. We wilfully embrace insanity if we provide impunity for persecution of our minorities, if we pamper militancy on the one hand, and denounce it on another. If the provincial budget of the Punjab government grants money to banned terrorist outfits, even if it is to their charitable wings, then we are truly embracing insanity. Because this is no political leader using extremist votes to buy power. This is institutionalized support to the same outfits we have banned.

Such actions will empower the very forces the Pakistan government and army is engaged in fighting at a very heavy cost. It is a negation of the tremendous sacrifice we as a nation are making, of 3000 people killed in the name of terrorism since last year, of the children still living in refugee camps in their own country, of the fear that stalks our streets after thousands of bombs detonate in reprisals to state operations against militants. It is a negation of the democratic, humane identity of Pakistan.

Our post-colonial state identity may be ambiguous, but it is precisely this space that can be used as an opportunity to steer our fragile nation-hood in another direction.

Email: sherryrehman@jinnahinstitute. com

Sherry Rehman is a RAPE and well versed in TSP's history. For her to comment that TSP's post-colonial state identity may be ambiguous is straight faced lie. TSP's post-colonial state identity was Islam and TSP state identity was based on the religion of peace i.e Islam. For her to argue otherwise is an excellent example of her Pakistaniyat.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Jun 2010 02:34

BijuShet wrote:An Opinion piece by Xerox Khan from the News.

Cheaper than water
In the olden days life was much simpler. People were content and thankful to Allah. If they could afford only roti and dahl they were not ashamed to say so. Nowadays dahl costs about Rs100 per kg, way beyond the means of the poor.

Every day we see more than one ad on TV promoting one brand or another of edible oils. Tables are shown over-laden with dishes of all kinds, with only two, three or four people at the table. Imagine the feelings this vulgar display must create in the hearts of the millions of poor who can’t even afford three square meals a day. It is high time a code of conduct was laid down for TV advertisements. Ads such as these should not be shown, as they are an insult to the poor and their poverty.

Xerox Khan is telling Pakistani elite not to let the secret out, that not all Pakistanis would have had to eat grass for all the nuclear toys, just the mango abduls!

Who knows, mango abduls may some day lose their patience, turn Taliban and decorate the lampposts.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 29 Jun 2010 03:16

BijuShet wrote: Sherry Rehman is a RAPE and well versed in TSP's history. For her to comment that TSP's post-colonial state identity may be ambiguous is straight faced lie. TSP's post-colonial state identity was Islam and TSP state identity was based on the religion of peace i.e Islam. For her to argue otherwise is an excellent example of her Pakistaniyat.

I don't think that is totally correct. More so than Islam, Pakistan's national identity was more aptly, "We are different from Indians because we are Muslim", but the contradiction is that another part of the identity is: "We are secular Muslims". Rehman is in the latter camp, and if she really argued that "Pakistan is Islam and Islam is Pakistan", she would be sitting at home in a burqa with her co-wives. I think the RAPE want to be Islamic, but not too much. I think it is the tension between these two different poles that causes the "ambiguity" she talks about.

I feel Turkey is really the state the RAPE want to emulate rather than Arabs.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 29 Jun 2010 04:12

Stratfor makes a freudian slip...The jernail from shitty land ?. Must be the handiwork of Raa or joos

Turkey: Pakastani General Visits

June 28, 2010
Pakistani Chief of the General Staff Gen. Tariq Majid met with Turkish President Abdullah Gul and Turkish Chief of Staff Gen. Ilker Basbug on June 28 in Ankara, Anatolia reported.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 29 Jun 2010 04:30

shiv wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:1 millon motorcycles manufactured and sold in Pakistan in 11 months - so things are not as bad there yet as suggested by some. Maybe it will be motorcycle gangs invading India?

http://criticalppp.com/archives/16887
As with all things Pakistan there is always a degree of "iffinesss" and likely bluff in all Paki news.

It is very difficult to figure out the actual number of motorbikes in use in Pakistan. After a major search a few months ago I came up with the figure 2.8 million in 2006. Assume that is 4 million now.

Shiv, 4 million 2-wheelers in Pak sounds absurdly low even for Pakistan! Hero-Honda has a annual sales of almost 2 million motorcycles/year in India. 2 wheeler manufacturers sold a notch above 7.5 million vehicles in India last year and i shudder to think about the number of 2 wheelers in use today. (probably around 200-250 million).

Pakistan,like most 'developing' countries benefited greatly from easy money inflow,stock,manufacturing and real-estate boom from 2003-2008.They have a huge middle-class population with more per/capita cellphone users than we have in India.Besides,the kind of 2 wheelers sold in Pakiland are usually el-cheapo little chinese motorcycles,so the purchasing power required to own one of those bikes is not the same as it is in India.My guesstimate would be around 40 million 2 wheeler users in Pak.So i guess a ballpark figure of the size of their middle-class population could be in the range of 50-60 million. Ofcourse, the definition of 'middle-class' defers from country to country - so the quality of life is probably much lower than elsewhere in the subcontinent.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 29 Jun 2010 04:42

If you actually go to the Google trends site and look up the stats for the terms he mentions, while Pureland tops the list of countries, India is #2 or 3 on most. However, Indian cities top the list of cities, with the first 3-4 in many terms being Indian metros, despite the coutrywide numbers for Pureland being much larger than for India, even when India is in second place. Not sure why Pure metros don't show up in the city lists.

Thankfully, for "goat sex", only one Indian city appears in the top ten

Exclusive: “Pure” Pakistan’s Internet Perverts

Adrian Morgan

Pakistan’s name means “Land of the Pure,” but some of its internet users appear to be decidedly “impure.” About four years ago, I was first introduced to Google Trends, a feature whereby Google monitors and publishes records of its internet searches. Any person can access this data. What had drawn my interest was a short article that appeared in the Pakistan Daily Times from May 17, 2006, which I reproduce here:

Pakistan most sex-starved

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: Google, the world’s most popular Internet search engine, has found in a survey that mostly Muslim states seek access to sex-related websites and Pakistan tops the list. Google found that of the top 10 countries - searching for sex-related sites - six were Muslim, with Pakistan on the top. The other Muslim countries are Egypt at number 2, Iran at 4, Morocco at 5, Saudi Arabia at 7 and Turkey at 8. Non-Muslim states are Vietnam at 3, India at 6, Philippines at 9 and Poland at 10.

I began some research of my own. It was the nature of the ***** then being hunted within Muslim countries that was disturbing. Those searches showed then that Pakistan came top of the list of searches for a range of perverse interests.

Google Trends data has been gathered since 2004. A search of all data for those using Google to seek out “child sex” from the years 2004 until now places Pakistan far ahead of any other country. Narrowing down the parameters, a search specifically targeted for the current year (2010) again shows that Pakistan tops the list of countries where internet users have searched for the term “child sex”.

Google Trends can present data of searches carried out during every month and every year from April 2004 up until the present. Pakistan topped the list of Google’s internet searches for “child sex” in 2004, in 2005, in 2006, in 2007, in 2008, and in 2009.

Just in case anyone argues that the data could refer to innocent searches made by developmental psychology students, Google Trends shows that when the term “child f***ing” is examined, across all years from 2004 until now, the highest amount of searches for this term came from Pakistan. Similarly, of all global Google searches for “naked child” from 2004 till now, Pakistan still tops the list. Google Trends reveals that of all global Google searches, from 2006 to 2010, for the term “child sex video” Pakistan was second in the world, only being outdone by Bangladesh (a country that was once officially part of Pakistan).

Why should this be? Is this “cultural”, relating to Pakistan’s regional customs?

Cont'd at http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/pu ... detail.asp

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Jun 2010 06:30

What Khalidh-Hassan forgot to mention was that per old BBC news that Pakistani society tops in exploiting ,molesting children under the age of 8 and most of the time brothers in religion , close relatives are the culprits. But H&D demands silence. Now imagine the future under Islamist regime. The are capable of doing such terrible things to their own kids , how would they treat the children of Kaffirs can just be left to imagination. These people are real curse on Humanity ,kind of make you appreciate the sacrifices made by our ancestors to save us from falling so low .
What so shameful is our PS crowd shouting Poakis are like us , they aint and we aint JCs or BCs.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 29 Jun 2010 07:34

Carl_T wrote:
BijuShet wrote: Sherry Rehman is a RAPE and well versed in TSP's history. For her to comment that TSP's post-colonial state identity may be ambiguous is straight faced lie. TSP's post-colonial state identity was Islam and TSP state identity was based on the religion of peace i.e Islam. For her to argue otherwise is an excellent example of her Pakistaniyat.
I don't think that is totally correct. More so than Islam, Pakistan's national identity was more aptly, "We are different from Indians because we are Muslim", but the contradiction is that another part of the identity is: "We are secular Muslims". Rehman is in the latter camp, and if she really argued that "Pakistan is Islam and Islam is Pakistan", she would be sitting at home in a burqa with her co-wives. I think the RAPE want to be Islamic, but not too much. I think it is the tension between these two different poles that causes the "ambiguity" she talks about.

I feel Turkey is really the state the RAPE want to emulate rather than Arabs.

it looks like its going to be the other way around. Turks want to emulate pakis, with all the islamization going around in turkey one can feel that turkey is trying to say to european union, either make me one of your group or else we would become a pak for whole of european union.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 29 Jun 2010 07:46

Carl_T wrote: I don't think that is totally correct. More so than Islam, Pakistan's national identity was more aptly, "We are different from Indians because we are Muslim", but the contradiction is that another part of the identity is: "We are secular Muslims". Rehman is in the latter camp, and if she really argued that "Pakistan is Islam and Islam is Pakistan", she would be sitting at home in a burqa with her co-wives. I think the RAPE want to be Islamic, but not too much. I think it is the tension between these two different poles that causes the "ambiguity" she talks about.

I feel Turkey is really the state the RAPE want to emulate rather than Arabs.

There is no such thing as a "secular muslim". That term is an oxymoron.