Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[Atri]

We have to thank congmorons for giving free publicity to the above video by complaining about it to EC. Otherwise I never knew about its existence

found full version..

[SaiK]

^while you guys laugh, i am hurting deep under.

[VikramS]

https://twitter.com/prasannavishy/statu ... 0741969922


Prasanna Viswanathan
‏@prasannavishy

Attempted Honeytrap gone awry. Ofcourse state is gonna hit back &hit back hard.Only way to fight-institutional oversight over brute power

2:08 PM - 24 Nov 13

Sir please elaborate.

The surveillance started when there was a missed call traced to the Modi Baiter. That must have rung alarm bells.

Was the woman who had access to Modi's inner circle being coerced or blackmailed? or Was she a plant?

I think the father was informed and he probably felt that his daughter was better-off being watched by the state than being alone in the murky game.

According to madhukishwar, the CD is supposedly between the woman and Sharma. So perhaps the woman was being blackmailed to get compromize NaMa

There is also talk of using a body double for NaMo to create a bogus video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yepg2t4Nylo

[devesh]

Modi mania is reaching new heights. not good.

[ramana]

https://twitter.com/prasannavishy/statu ... 0741969922

Prasanna Viswanathan
‏@prasannavishy

Attempted Honeytrap gone awry. Ofcourse state is gonna hit back &hit back hard.Only way to fight-institutional oversight over brute power

2:08 PM - 24 Nov 13

Atriji, Send me an email giving the details of this tweet. I dont know the background.

[anmol]

@AmiSri Cong has #Duplicate of #NarendraModi ? Dirty game by dynasty has started to retain the power it its hand! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=[youtube]yepg2t4Nylo[/youtube]

[VinodTK]

BJP-TD pact may hit YSRC

Hyderabad: The political equations may change the fate of YSR Congress and Telugu Desam in Seemandhra in the forthcoming general elections, if the state would be divided before the polls. If the TD has an alliance with BJP and if the new political party being floated by some Seemandhra Congress leaders come true, then the YSRC has to face a big challenge.

The “Modi” factor is a worry to YSRC, as the youth are favoring him. According to sources, a latest survey conducted by TD revealed, if TD has an alliance with BJP it will strengthen the TD further. The political observers said the YSRC is in top position in Seemandhra, and there will be no chance further to strengthen and expect to lose its strength for various reasons.

However, both the YSRC and TD leaders claimed that they are in a number one position in Seemandhra. A minister from Seemandhra said if the state divides or not, there won’t be any change in the fate of the Congress. He said the main fight will be between the YSRC and TD and Congress will be no more in the picture.

In Seemandhra, more particularly in urban areas, Brahmin Vysya communities are in favour of BJP prime minister candidate Narendra Modi. The majority of youth are also supporting Modi. BJP will fight alone in the elections.

It may change YSRC and TD candidates’ future, by splitting the votes, but it gains nothing. TD has strong party cadre in Seemandhra, but if TD and BJP have an alliance it will help both parties and at the same time it will damage the YSRC chances.

A YSRC leader said, it is a fact that Modi factor will work out if it has an alliance with TD, and will split YSRC votes, but it cannot stop the winning chances of their party. He said as of now there is 10 to 13 per cent vote difference between the YSRC and TD and if TD and BJP has an alliance the difference may come down to 8 to 10 per cent.

YSRC spokesperson Ambati Rambabu said if TD and BJP has alliance and a new political party is floated by Congress leaders, then that will help their party more in getting majority in the elections.
Seemandhra people won’t accept TD and BJP alliance because it is unholy alliance.

TD chief N. Chandrababu Naidu himself announced openly, in the past, that they made a historical mistake to have an alliance with BJP, so how can the people accept their alliance, he questioned.

At the same time if a new political party will be floated by Chief Minister N Kiran Kumar Reddy or some other Congress leader, it will split the Congress votes only and not YSRC votes.
TD’s Kambhampati Rammohan Rao said winning of TD in Seemandhra is certain, no one can stop it.

[SaiK]

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/peop ... 31654.html

like in irving wallace story, the second lady be swapped in the book.. we have nalin joshi as modi - he might get a kangrez ticket now.

[krishnan]

looks like sonia gandhi has been compelled to come out to give speeches, more like reading it out, and her voice clearly shows she is struggling a lot to give those speeches , and looks like the speeches are given at the last moment or she never bothers to go through them.

[Pratyush]

Modi mania is reaching new heights. not good.

The worst thing is that the second string is not visible. BJP, while following Modi has no backup plan in place. If Modi is removed from the scene, we have no visible alternative in the BJP.

[anmol]

Attempted Honeytrap gone awry. Ofcourse state is gonna hit back &hit back hard.Only way to fight-institutional oversight over brute power

I think this means that they tried to lure him into honeytrap, in response he asked AS to find out everyone who was part of the conspiracy.

[Pratyush]

^^^

The sting has served its purpose, for a simple reason BRF is still discussing it.

[Hari Seldon]

Modi's duplicate lands in Mumbai to a rousing welcome... now we know where 'em sleaze CDs may come from, eh?

[subhamoy.das]

Modi mania is reaching new heights. not good.

The worst thing is that the second string is not visible. BJP, while following Modi has no backup plan in place. If Modi is removed from the scene, we have no visible alternative in the BJP.

These kind of people with mass appeal show up once in a while. There cannot be and will not be a plan b as somebody like modi will not appear on the horizon for some time. If Modi is removed, there is no alternative in front of the country and may be whole of Asia. We just need to hope that his inner circle of security is manned by folks who are impregnable and is always on the watch out for threat!

[hanumadu]

^^Unfortunately, the situation is as subhamoy says. We have one person, who is head and shoulders above the rest. This is the failure of BJP leader ship which failed to nurture a pipe line of leaders with a nation wide appeal after Advani. What is surprising is there is no popular leader atleast in the cow belt, leave south India.. Too much emphasis on the organisation perhaps. I hope they do not repeat the mistake. It is time for people like Shivraj Singh Chauhan to move to the center, experience Delhi politics, project themselves and get known nation wide.

--Added Later--
How come BJP does hot have any news channels? In the last 15 years, after seeing how maligned they are by the paid media, isn't it plain common sense to have a couple of channels working for you? They have to establish a couple of channels pronto and start projecting BJP leaders.

[Hari Seldon]

^^^ The way to do this is via a primaries system, a la the US. For that a watertight list of BJP members is needed who can vote in the primaries.

IMO, the primaries system has healthy competition baked in and allows leaders from different regions a chance to show mettle, gain national limelight and contribute to internal democracy and grassroots party-building.

[Singha]

BJP needs atleast 4 leaders as the 2nd rung visible face of the party. MP CM is definitely one. perhaps the Goa CM and Rajnath singh should also get themselves more visible nationwide with their own rallies in some regions. let SS and AJ handle the tv channels, print media and talk show circuit.

sure they wont have the brand appeal and charisma of namo, but one has to start somewhere unless one wants to be like the congis with just one dynasty and nobody else in the center able to gather 10 people to listen attentively.

[hanumadu]

Goa CM is defintely a candidate. How about Rajiv Pratap Rudy? I think he accounted himself well as a minister in Vajpayee's cabinet. Rajnath Singh got his opportunity, twice as BJP president. Somehow, he does not have the force in his speech.

[kapilrdave]

Well, a second line is never 'visible' for an opposition party. You can show your 1st, 2nd, 3rd... lines only by remaining in the power. Till then everyone look small in comparison to the tallest leader of ANY party. When bjp was in power everyone saw the layers very clearly. At that time people were talking about how sonia has not let any small leader to rise. But then bjp lost and congi came to power. Then we 'saw' the layers of the power. MMS, chidu, sibal, shinde, antony etc being the top layer, jayram, st, karsh*t being the second and so on. Even media gives attention to the one who is in power. Media wouldn't give 'bhav' to SSC, Ramansing, Parikkar at the moment no matter how many rallies they do. The moment they are made some minister at center they will come in limelight and people will 'feel' their importance and talent. Whoever is made home minister will be automatically seen as #2. So any attempt to project a #2 at the moment would be futile as it will not be 'felt' by people. On the other hand it might cause infighting within the party before election which may be dangerous. Once they are in power it will be much easier for NM to project other leaders. It will be very interesting to see his choice of cabinet.

[kapilrdave]

Goa CM is defintely a candidate. How about Rajiv Pratap Rudy? I think he accounted himself well as a minister in Vajpayee's cabinet. Rajnath Singh got his opportunity, twice as BJP president. Somehow, he does not have the force in his speech.

Rajnath is an idiot. He is the party president precisely for that reason .

[Manish_Sharma]

^^Unfortunately, the situation is as subhamoy says. We have one person, who is head and shoulders above the rest. This is the failure of BJP leader ship which failed to nurture a pipe line of leaders with a nation wide appeal after Advani. What is surprising is there is no popular leader atleast in the cow belt, leave south India.. Too much emphasis on the organisation perhaps. I hope they do not repeat the mistake. It is time for people like Shivraj Singh Chauhan to move to the center, experience Delhi politics, project themselves and get known nation wide.

--Added Later--
How come BJP does hot have any news channels? In the last 15 years, after seeing how maligned they are by the paid media, isn't it plain common sense to have a couple of channels working for you? They have to establish a couple of channels pronto and start projecting BJP leaders.

Love and hope for Modi is going to be so big ever, nobody had ever dreamed, not conMedia, not conParty, BJP, RSS or even Modi himself. The style of his functioning raised concern in ConParty's wisemen. Like the way he didn't speak in any official meetings for 1 year but didn't allow anybody else to be silent. Everybody had to speak. As there was an article by some officer how they used to laugh at Modi at the time, but slowly he just molded the whole administration according to himself.

So C-party let loose there dogs the media against Modi. But this gave him big publicity. People watched Bharat's graph going down while Gujarat's going up. The man bought 5.6 million electric poles from all the 3 states Gujarat - Rajasthan - Mahrashtra and provided electricity to everyone. While they watched how mms-sonia-shiela looted country during commonwealth games , coalgate, 2 g etc. Even durkha butt, turdesai's radia connections started coming up. Boom the contrast was only and only the so called 'maut-ka-saudagar'.

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One RSS man had told me 3 years back when I asked him about TV channels, "we have 30 applications waiting for approval to open newschannel, but they're neither being rejected or okayed. If they're rejected we go to court. Hence they keep them in waiting. While anybody whose corruption proofs congressi high command has can get approval in no time......."

"Well why didn't you get them during vajpayee ji's time?" I asked.

He just looked at horizon smiled mysteriously and mumbled "many of them were put during his reign......"

refused to say anything further.

[Muppalla]

no Rajnath Singh. The next rung leaders are Raman Singh, Chauhan, Manohar parrikkar in that order. If there are wins in UP and Bihar we will get more new faces into order. I see a rising star in Devender Phadnis from Maha.

[RajeshA]

I think a leader like Modi needs to put his thoughts, his thinking down in detail on paper. He needs put down his thinking process, his vision, his priorities, his creative ideas, his solutions, his philosophy, his political ideology, his political and electoral acumen, his autobiography, etc.

He needs to partition it thematically and base it on clearance level.

Much of it can be in the public domain but much of it should only be available to say his trusted lieutenants and some of it available on to the RSS hierarchy.

So anybody who claims to speak in Modi's name would on the one hand need to be acquainted with NaMo's mentality and would have to be both chosen by a certain layer of RSS as well as monitored by RSS for a designated duration of time.

He needs to write down a Modi Granth on the lines of Guru Granth Sahib, except that some parts of it would be confidential.

[Atri]

no Rajnath Singh. The next rung leaders are Raman Singh, Chauhan, Manohar parrikkar in that order. If there are wins in UP and Bihar we will get more new faces into order. I see a rising star in Devender Phadnis from Maha.

Devendra Phadnavis is potential Modi 2.0.. only thing which will go against him is his caste.. extremely no-nonsense fellow. Public appeal is something which builds up, but administrative acumen of the man are fantastic. A thoroughly rooted swayamsevak. Lets see if he goes Modi way or Mahajan way. My money is that he will go the right way and won't end up like Mahajan.

[krishnan]

Shivsena mouth piece Saamna claims that Congres sis spending a whooping 700 CRORES of rupees.
The aim is to shot a high class blue film, with a Narendra Modi Body Double.

As per the mouthpiece, the idea is to defame Modi by releasing a sex video of a Narendra Modi look alike with some C Grade Tamil actress. So that all corners of doubts are sealed the party is spending Rs 700 Crores so that there is no doubt in the minds of anybody seeing that video that the protagonist is Modi.

A smear campaign of this magnitude might prove to be destructive of the ‘Pro Development’ image which Mr. Modi has built.

How true is that claim of Shiv Sena, remains to be seen but after the release, a Body Double of Narendra Modi arrived in Delhi

[RajeshA]

Tarek Fatah maligning Dr. Pravin Togadia

[vishvak]

Hope EC is taking notice and gives specific order not to create doctored CDs ahead of polls by dirty tricks departments. EC seem to be observing elections as innocent bystandar while dirty tricks dept of con race is on hyper drive spreading BS during election times.

[member_22872]

Rajesh ji, I saw your exchange with him on twitter, I wish we can get Sri Togadia's version of it. If he is on twitter may be we can ask what he told Tarekh.

[Hari Seldon]

Meanwhile, Ho raha bhaarat nirmaan...

Rations in special-designed sacks bear photos of Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh

Oh, and this explains much...

Rahul himself writing his speeches

[RajeshA]

Rajesh ji, I saw your exchange with him on twitter, I wish we can get Sri Togadia's version of it. If he is on twitter may be we can ask what he told Tarekh.

@DrPravinTogadia

Dr Togadia denies Tarek Fatah’s Tweet statements, says Its an intentional campaign against him, VHP

[darshhan]

no Rajnath Singh. The next rung leaders are Raman Singh, Chauhan, Manohar parrikkar in that order. If there are wins in UP and Bihar we will get more new faces into order. I see a rising star in Devender Phadnis from Maha.

They are all good people. But there is a problem. Any political leader who decides to counter congressis has to be extremely Ruthless and Cunning(for Nation's interest and not out of malice). Just being honest and providing good governance is not enough. Do the above leaders have these qualities? If no then they will be just like Vajpayee.

[vivek.rao]

Tarek Fatah maligning Dr. Pravin Togadia

I don't know if he is maliging or not.

Unfortunately, there are people who talk loose which is taken as advantage by MAFIA types like Shoma and Tejpal. They use words like Hindutva Lab and club Modi/BJP/RSS with all these characters such as Ram Sena.

[Hari Seldon]

Having run out of Cong ruled role-model states, COng now stkes claim to development work in NDA states...

plus as bonus, an endearing picture of the pappini...

[Aditya_V]

Tarek Fatah maligning Dr. Pravin Togadia

With due respect some VHP types not all, like Praveen Togadia and Babu Bajrangi work against Hindus in the name of working for them and Secular establishment in states like MH go deliberatley soft on them to frighten minority voters.

People like Ashok Singhal on the other hand are much more nationalist.

[harbans]

With due respect some VHP types not all, like Praveen Togadia and Babu Bajrangi work against Hindus in the name of working for them and Secular establishment in states like MH go deliberatley soft on them to frighten minority voters.

People like Ashok Singhal on the other hand are much more nationalist.

I am not too sure if Togadia really said it. He says he never met Tarek Fateh and is confident. I too am wary why should he speak like that to Fateh. He says Fateh barged into a VHP dinner uninvited and tweeted that 2 hours before even meeting him. There is either intrigue or plain stupidity here.

Yet i understand your sentiment. There are lots of Hindu groups that want a Sampradayic dominated state. When they do so, many of their actions look similar to Islamic fundamentalists. That is a setback to getting Dharma back on the rails. It gives massive ammo to the left liberal disease to spread. So yes, these groups must be careful of their actions and words in general.

[RajeshA]

Tarek Fatah maligning Dr. Pravin Togadia

With due respect some VHP types not all, like Praveen Togadia and Babu Bajrangi work against Hindus in the name of working for them and Secular establishment in states like MH go deliberatley soft on them to frighten minority voters.

What disturbs me is that the structure of Hindutva has not been sufficiently fleshed out. This allows these individuals too much of free leeway.

One the one hand it may be good to have this leeway, and not let everybody know what one thinks, but on the other hand if there is no specification, the whole movement can be compromised.

[KLNMurthy]

I think a leader like Modi needs to put his thoughts, his thinking down in detail on paper. He needs put down his thinking process, his vision, his priorities, his creative ideas, his solutions, his philosophy, his political ideology, his political and electoral acumen, his autobiography, etc.

He needs to partition it thematically and base it on clearance level.

Much of it can be in the public domain but much of it should only be available to say his trusted lieutenants and some of it available on to the RSS hierarchy.

So anybody who claims to speak in Modi's name would on the one hand need to be acquainted with NaMo's mentality and would have to be both chosen by a certain layer of RSS as well as monitored by RSS for a designated duration of time.

He needs to write down a Modi Granth on the lines of Guru Granth Sahib, except that some parts of it would be confidential.

Modi is not going to have time to do any writing. His speeches are a good substitute for the writings. Videos of his speeches should be archived, professionally edited, curated etc. Someone with skills i doing scholarly work and technical editing should undertake it. Someone with money should sponsor it.

Youtube videos cannot be relied on to last for ever.

[member_22872]

I find Tarekh interesting, he is not Indian, yet calls himself Indian and thrusts himself into Indian affairs. Then makes allegations which are divisive and if false could have very harmful...wolf in sheep's skin...

[rohitv]

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[disha]

I find Tarekh interesting, he is not Indian, yet calls himself Indian and thrusts himself into Indian affairs. Then makes allegations which are divisive and if false could have very harmful...wolf in sheep's skin...

^^That and the people like Togadia do have a propensity to shoot their mouth off after putting their mouth on the foot (it is an extreme version of putting foot in mouth)...

Some of this people cannot handle "importance"/"attention" when they get it and go berserk. On the other hand, the other side does use this for their own ulterior motives.