Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 30 Nov 2011 21:15

From this website..the other pictures remind me of Roman camp razed by Asterix & Co..

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... ed-by-nato

Where is the echandee???

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 30 Nov 2011 21:17

Suppiah wrote:From this website..the other pictures remind me of Roman camp razed by Asterix & Co..

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... ed-by-nato

Where is the echandee???

Have they changed their national flag to white?

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 30 Nov 2011 21:20

jrjrao wrote:Video of Ka-Tak yesterday. Poor Javed Chaudhry whines and moans about how US treats India Pakistan as unequal-unequal.
"hum ek bhikari nuclear quom hai...."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ66Mo71 ... re=related

I love the way Javed Chaudhri rubs even more salt on porki wounds. Waah, what antics.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 30 Nov 2011 21:25

ramana wrote:
Altair wrote: There is technology to detect these tunnels. Do Pakis think that Chinese are the first ones to dig deep tunnels? US and USSR played these tunnel game to death even before I was born! Israelis also have perfected detecting tunnel systems.
Have you seen news of award of contract to Boeing for the 30K lbs deep penetrator bomb? Take a look at its capability in wiki. ~200 feet in plain mud. Its better than the Grand Slam or Tallboy of Barnes Wallis genre.

The spin was its for Iran but could be for others more truculent.

ramana garu
Please check these link. Pak lurks who were proud of Mush's statement of tunnels can also check out the link.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15965437
This is todays news. These people smuggled drugs in this uber sophisticated tunnel.
I think Mush was impressed by something like this. It is actually very simple to construct tunnel now a days. Earth diggers is a commercially available technology.
The MOABs and other BB's you mentioned are ready to launch from Diego Garcia and CBG's in Persian gulf and can take out all the chinese built tunnels.
I have also added in my earlier post that technology to detect these tunnels has been there more than three decades ago!

Conclusion: Pakis are kidding themselves thinking that storing nukes in underground tunnels is going to save them.
The Chinese ripped Pakis off!

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 30 Nov 2011 21:33

Narad wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Cannot attend Bonn meet without assurance: Gilani
“If we have no assurance about Pakistan’s security, sovereignty, integrity, honour, dignity and self-respect, then we cannot go (to the Bonn Conference)”, Mr. Gilani told reporters in Karachi.
Please append the above reference in BR dictionary for h&d!!

Link no longer contains the quote. Looks like someone has edited the article recently. No fear though -- I found another link from the Associated Press of Pakistan that contains the relevant quote. H&D article now has the new reference.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 30 Nov 2011 21:36

SSridhar wrote:Cannot attend Bonn meet without assurance: Gilani
“If we have no assurance about Pakistan’s security, sovereignty, integrity, honour, dignity and self-respect, then we cannot go (to the Bonn Conference)”, Mr. Gilani told reporters in Karachi.
Wow, a long list indeed. But, Mr. Gilani, all these are to be earned the hard way, don't you think so ?

Dear Santa,
All I want this Christmas is, for Pakistan to boycott the next Bonn conference on Afghanistan, as it desires.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 30 Nov 2011 21:41

@Manu. Hope your wish is granted. But if the west doesn't cajole them to attend, the Porkis have their wahabi elder birathers to openly pitch for it and they will therefore attend.

Unless, ofcourse Unkil pounds them again a couple of days before. or the afghans set it up. Karzai openly asking them to attend, whereas the afghans manage some duplicity and the Porkis take a pounding again. Good wishing that.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Nov 2011 21:45

SSridhar wrote:
hulaku wrote:Pakistan considering breaking diplomatic ties with the US as per the Telegraph

...Poor Sherry. She was happy to escape the blasphemy threats to her life and enjoy the relative safety of Washington D.C. That is in danger now. She even resigned from the prestigious Jinnah Instt. in anticipation. Many a slip between the cup and the lip. Why is her friend, Gilani saheb, wo otherwise so chivalrously helped her during the long march against Musharraf saheb, so cruel to her these days ?

Considering the tactical brilliance of the TSP, Sherry Rehman might have been chosen since India already has a female Ambassador to US, Mrs Nirupama Rao.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 30 Nov 2011 22:04

^
I mean, if Pakistan doesn't want to go, then don't go.

Nobody is going to haul them to Bonn, or is it that they 'need' 10 invitations to be invited.

I am surprised Pakistan hasn't approached ICJ on this friendly fire incident.

In the end, it is all posturing, West is doing it (posturing/cajoling) because talk is cheap. What is Pakistan going to do, that it doesn't already do, in retaliation.

(Also, see the cut off of supplies to NATO, keep this in the context of IPI pipeline someone badly wanted)

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 30 Nov 2011 22:30

Pranay wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/p ... eststories

Pakistani aerial video of their two destroyed border posts...

Interesting, the posts are in an elevated position overlooking the surrounding area.

stryker · Post by **stryker** » 30 Nov 2011 22:34

Guys, really enjoy this forum topic. Keep up the postings.

I wonder how long it will be before NATO attacks the Paki army like Libya. It is inconceivable that Pakistan will be allowed to be a menace to the whole world indefinitely.

Recently visited Kashmir. Glad to report our boys now have better weapons than the baad guys who are supplied by the Paki army. Some paramilitary troopers were carrying Israeli Tavor X-95 (bullpup version for close combat) complete with electronic red dot target designator and laser rangefinder.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 30 Nov 2011 22:36

shiv wrote: There is a strange "kabbadi" type game being played out by Pakistan. When India is being targeted, the Pakistan army is all bluster, while the actual attacking work is done by Jamaat ud Dawa which otherwise remains in the background. With the US, the noise and bluster are from the jamaat ud dawa, while the army, which is doing the actual fighting, is not saying a word.

There is something really odd in this. I think the military felt it was a better bet to fight with NATO forces. India was more dangerous to the military and required an ideological Islamist-asymmetric response. With the US being a sponsor and a donor to the military all this ideology shydeology business would be counter productive by getting mango Abdul worked up. So the army quietly played a double game.

Could this be to ensure that the non-state actors turn against TSPA?

So with a (perceivable) gullible enemy, that is India, The Jihadis don't mind TSPA remaining in the background as a balancer. But when TSPA remains calm against a (again perceivable) potent enemy the non-state actors want the kabila gaurds (TSPA) to stand up to their name with all their jewels dazzling.

Hmm.. then would it be a better strategy to become a perceivably aggressive enemy, for that brings TSPA into open and a public jhappad will make TSPA nanga speeding up the overt talibanization of Pakistan?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 30 Nov 2011 22:38

Altair wrote: Dozen Brahmos would get their attention

Aditya_V wrote: These foot soldeirs are easily replacable, not worth the cost of Brahmos, many die when trying to cross the border and many died in 2005 earthquake. Pakis will just pick some more from sections of society living in poverty. For the RAPE and PAKI Army, the Kasabs are expendable. It is the Lakhvis,generals , Hafeez Sayeds who are mourned.

Altair wrote: Dozen Brahmos would not kill even 50% of them. I only want to messup their mind,you know get on their nerves while testing some Brahmos on PoK rather than Chandipur.

Once we start valuing the lives of Indian citizens, property not only dozen but even 100 Brahmos will become cost effective to show these jihadi pigs some hell on earth.

If one 11/26 cost $10B to Indian economy then how many Brahmos it can buy?

Upendra · Post by **Upendra** » 30 Nov 2011 22:51

ArmenT wrote:
Narad wrote:Cannot attend Bonn meet without assurance: Gilani
“If we have no assurance about Pakistan’s security, sovereignty, integrity, honour, dignity and self-respect, then we cannot go (to the Bonn Conference)”, Mr. Gilani told reporters in Karachi.

Please append the above reference in BR dictionary for h&d!!
Link no longer contains the quote. Looks like someone has edited the article recently. No fear though -- I found another link from the Associated Press of Pakistan that contains the relevant quote. H&D article now has the new reference.

More links
http://zeenews.india.com/news/south-asi ... 44697.html
http://news.in.msn.com/international/ar ... id=5638350
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... 0e4b9f0e02
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/canno ... 111130.htm
http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/cannot-a ... 44623.html
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_ca ... ni_1619484
http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/n ... 20291.html

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 30 Nov 2011 22:53

Posted in full from Down.com

Stroking themselves, thsy are.

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s decision not to attend a conference on the future of Afghanistan in Germany next week, taken to protest against a Nato cross-border attack that killed 24 soldiers, is final, a foreign ministry official said on Wednesday.

“Of course it’s the final word. Pakistan is not attending,” the official told Reuters, shortly after the German government urged Islamabad to reverse its stand.

Fury over the attack is growing, with more protests across Pakistan and tough editorials in newspapers.

“It is definitely not Pakistan’s intention to work against the rest of the world,” Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar told Dawn News television on Wednesday.

“But the rest of the world also has to understand that if they have pushed Pakistan into this corner, violated red lines, then they have denied the basis of partnership,” she said.

Islamabad’s decision to boycott next week’s meeting in Bonn will deprive the talks of a key player that could nudge Taliban militants into a peace process as Nato combat troops prepare to leave Afghanistan by the end of 2014.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 30 Nov 2011 22:56

RamaY wrote:
Altair wrote: Dozen Brahmos would not kill even 50% of them. I only want to messup their mind,you know get on their nerves while testing some Brahmos on PoK rather than Chandipur.
Once we start valuing the lives of Indian citizens, property not only dozen but even 100 Brahmos will become cost effective to show these jihadi pigs some hell on earth.

If one 11/26 cost $10B to Indian economy then how many Brahmos it can buy?

The idea is to install "fear". Thats it!
After that every sharp or sudden sound anywhere in Pakistan will sound as a missile or rpg's or an IED. We will have an entire nation of Pakistan who have Insomnia. 200 million insomniacs is a huge business potential for India to exploit!

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 30 Nov 2011 22:57

pakis are creating another Raymond Davis type episode. All for nothing.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Nov 2011 22:59

On the contrary it could help the Bonn participants take effective decisions to bring about peace in Afghanistan without the supporters of terrorists at the conference. The TSP is the one that supports, sustains and strategises for the Taliban. They don't understand that they get invited in the faint hope that will dissuade them from their support to the TSP. Its the realization of the futility of that aduacious hope (

) that led to NATO bombing by US aircraft!

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 30 Nov 2011 23:03

But the Porkis have no shame. They will come up with an astounding (not audacious) reason for attending. Something that will floor everyone.
let us wait and watch. At least, in the current scenario, they seem to be digging themselves into a deeper hole.

Shamelessness and lack of self respect cannot be mistaken for audacity. These are the qualities that have sustained them over decades. Hopefully the very same qualities will now shatter them.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 30 Nov 2011 23:04

I seriously hope that pakis boycott the conference and rest carry on. But reality is this barking rabies paki dog doesn't actually bite openly.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 30 Nov 2011 23:08

paki soldiers killed by their arch enemy India don't get burial in their own country, but those killed by NATO get ceremonial burial, what an irony! what a shameless, hopeless, honor-less, dignity-less country!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 30 Nov 2011 23:11

Obviously, the whole attack is a Yanqui-Yindoo-Yehudi conspiracy to cause Pakistan to keep away from the Bonn conference.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 30 Nov 2011 23:12

nutty nation is having orgasms
firming up our stand

The army was working on a strategy to ensure that such incidents do not take place and demanded that the culprits, those who ordered the attack as well as those who executed it, should be brought to book.

like Raymond Davis

stryker · Post by **stryker** » 30 Nov 2011 23:14

Great point, Abhijitm. What kind of cowardly army does not even accept its soldiers' dead bodies as in Kargil. Can't think of too many instances in the past anywhere in the world.

partha · Post by **partha** » 30 Nov 2011 23:15

A_Gupta wrote:Obviously, the whole attack is a Yanqui-Yindoo-Yehudi conspiracy to cause Pakistan to keep away from the Bonn conference.

For once, this conspiracy theory could be true

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 30 Nov 2011 23:20

For Bonn police few less pakistanis to worry about.
anyway, for a change rest of the world can discuss "future of afghanistan without pakistan, literally"

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Nov 2011 23:24

Most likely they feared the outcome of the Bonn conf and hence are finding an excuse to stay away.
The idea of boycott seems to opportune!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 30 Nov 2011 23:25

rajanb wrote:Posted in full from Down.com
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s decision not to attend a conference on the future of Afghanistan in Germany next week, taken to protest against a Nato cross-border attack that killed 24 soldiers, is final, a foreign ministry official said on Wednesday.

Kompter ji, yeh answer lock kar diya jayee!!
The irony and joke is Poak boast in keeping India out on the last conference on Afghanistan. A country who needs Assur-ance from Kaffirs while claiming to be the most powerful and leader of Umah dont deserve to be called Islamic. The white flag above is a symbol of Pakistan having bo Balls, a step further than being the country of Ik-Ball.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 30 Nov 2011 23:28

Screen grab from the attack. Looks TFTA to me. The flag is tall, fair and probably has a tight musharraf.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 30 Nov 2011 23:29

Once we start valuing the lives of Indian citizens, property not only dozen but even 100 Brahmos will become cost effective to show these jihadi pigs some hell on earth.

If one 11/26 cost $10B to Indian economy then how many Brahmos it can buy?

Keeping Kasab alive has cost India 16 crore rs, according to a news report. A single brahmo cost $ 2.52 million, according to wiki.

So, could those 16 crores be used to slay terrorists instead of keeping a terrorist alive?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 30 Nov 2011 23:34

SSridhar wrote:
shiv wrote:Any agreement can be stated to have been reached out of "Respect for the mediating party and not because they were cowed down by the opponent"

That is why they always wanted the US to mediate between themselves and India.
In both cases, Shiv, TSP is asking a kufr to mediate with another kufr. Koran and the Hadith allow hudaibaiya, but not mediation, AFAIK and I am certain mediation by a kufr would be haraam or mumnoo. Would they explain away the mediation as taqiyyah or hudaibaiya to their people ? I want to see the reaction by the Islamists to what appears simply as plain panic to me ?

Have Saudi already refused ? Ajlaf Paki refusing Ashraf UAE requet on Shamsi wont go down without bitter taste. UAE needs to kick all the Paki out to teach these ungrateful Paki their place in the Ummah. Arab ki Billi ourr Arabs ko Miayon wont gel.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 30 Nov 2011 23:35

From the pictures it seems that the outposts were pretty small, could hardly accommodate 10-12 soldiers at a time. What were 50 odd pakis doing that night? gathered for a mountain ball?

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 30 Nov 2011 23:41

Prem wrote:The white flag above is a symbol of Pakistan having no Balls, a step further than being the country of Ik-Ball.

Mullah Muhabbat that was truly epic saar!!

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 30 Nov 2011 23:45

asked karzai to speak to US on pakistan bonn participation\

Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani said on Wednesday that he had asked Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai to speak to the United States (US) regarding Pakistan’s participation at the Bonn Conference on Afghanistan.

but what is Karzai supposed to speak to US that pakis are not openly saying these days, hain?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Nov 2011 23:47

Beg US on TSP behalf to get them to join the Bonn fire.

That means UK refused to mediate/speak on TSP behalf.

Now Karzai is an elder!

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 30 Nov 2011 23:49

Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani said on Wednesday that he had asked Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai to speak to the United States (US) regarding Pakistan’s participation at the Bonn Conference on Afghanistan.

You really cannot make this stuff up in one day. This is truly original attitude. You need that "zip" factor to pull these off. Sadly no one has it except pakis.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 30 Nov 2011 23:51

Pakis are masters of misreading (or Tactical brilliance in BRF-speak). They did that in 48, 65, 71 and Kargil.

Pakis probably thought that freaking out and giving ultimatums (like how they did after the previous kurram attack, blocking NATO supplies) will cause the west to relent. They didnt care to insert an exit clause. Fellows didnt figure that the enemy learns too. Interesting aspect of this round is that buzurgs in the US have been muted, leaving Pakis and NATO to sort it out rather than intervene. Also interesting is that one Mr Petraeus who runs the CIA has been strangely silent for quite some time.

Now Pakis want an exit by appealing to UK to mediate.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 01 Dec 2011 00:04

Meanwhile talibs on their business as usual
Anti-Taliban leader killed in car bomb attack

Hashim Khan, an anti-Taliban tribal leader, was killed in northwest Pakistan on Wednesday when a bomb hidden in his car detonated, police said.

Two of Khan's colleagues traveling with him were injured, said police official Abdul Rashid.

The explosion took place at 1 p.m. in Hangu city in Orakzai Agency, one of seven semi-autonomous tribal regions in northwest Pakistan, known to be a hotbed of militancy.

Khan was an influential tribal elder who led a local resistance against the Taliban and its many factions.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 01 Dec 2011 00:17

Altair wrote:
vijayk wrote: Now that Mush told his secret, all the NATO has to do is to monitor these tunnels and nuke them with small nuclear weapons. The trucks with nuclear bombs will be in the tunnels for ever.
There is technology to detect these tunnels. Do Pakis think that Chinese are the first ones to dig deep tunnels? US and USSR played these tunnel game to death even before I was born! Israelis also have perfected detecting tunnel systems.

Didn't they perfect the ground penetrating radar built on sats from long long ago? They published pictures of underground rivulets/water bodies in the Nile delta as a proof of capability. Heck there were pictures published of the land bridge between india and sl sometime back too. Tunnels?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Dec 2011 00:25

Those tunnels are for the RATS (Rogue Army of Terrorists) to hide with head RAT Mushy(mushika = mouse in Sanskrit) after downhill skiing. Recall Saddam's hiding place.

Maybe something Arabic about it hiding in holes.