Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

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Boss TSPA does NOT want Fazlullah no matter what they say. Karzai is a dead man walking but he may be calling TSPA's bluff.
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ramana wrote:After the Gauri missile failure one can expect the imminent Noko missile test to be postponed till failure analysis is conducted. On the other hand, maybe Pakis made so many changes to NoDong to get to Hatf-5 that its not relevant to the NoKos.
I presume you are referring to this test planned by the NoKos soon:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20636671
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I think Anujan ji meant it as a joke. But, if it was serious, I can only conclude that depravity has suddenly overtaken Karzai. Even among the 'bad Taliban', there are better candidates (on a relative scale of barbarity, of course), including the ex-ski-lift operator's father-in-law, Sufi Mohammed. Besides, Sufi saheb is not exactly a bad or good Taliban. He lives in that narrow, shadowy region between black and white.
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No I am serious.
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Was talking to a motorma from across the border who frequently writes for Indian magazines and newspapers. She casually name drops the first names of the editors and talks about editorial policy, direction of Indian magazines, newspapers ityadi as though those magazines and newspapers were her grandfather's. Frequently visits India, hobnobs with who's who in the country.

India-Pakistan enmity is just for aam abduls and SDREs. At the very top of the money and influence chain, borders dont exist for RAPEs.
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ArmenT wrote:
ramana wrote:After the Gauri missile failure one can expect the imminent Noko missile test to be postponed till failure analysis is conducted. On the other hand, maybe Pakis made so many changes to NoDong to get to Hatf-5 that its not relevant to the NoKos.
I presume you are referring to this test planned by the NoKos soon:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20636671
ArmenT, the present satellite launch has nothing to do with Ghauri except in possibly sharing the first stage which might be an enhanced No Dong.

The Ghauri has an interesting history. Ms. Bhutto got the missile blueprints from North Korea in 1993 after just one single flight test by the North Koreans themselves. Even that flight was not for the full range and it is impossible that all technologies, parameters would have been tested. North Korea sold this as Scud-C to Iran. Later, North Koreans also helped Pakistan in mating their nuclear weapon to this missile. This was part of the deal for giving them AQ Khan's stolen technology plus some assistance. Flight tests by both Pakistan and Iran have had many failures of this missile. As a Pakistani analyst was saying, it is doubtful if TSP has been able to develop technology to separate the warhead (from the stage) and spin it up as well. The Pakistanis have been also trying to extend the range (Hatf-5A or Ghauri-2) to over 1500 Kms. The North Koreans have moved on, in the meanwhile, but the design that TSP possesses is c. 1993 vintage (as Ms. Bhutto herself acknowledged) and TSP has no capability to upgrade the technology. They are flogging a dead horse. This is the result of an unwise desire to match, or be even one-up, over India when all that Pakistan had was eight patents (at least until a few years back).
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Anujan wrote: At the very top of the money and influence chain, borders dont exist for RAPEs.
Hence the clamor for liberalized visa regime. People to people contact is just a bahana. It is really about easy access to Indian cities and opportunities for RAPEs.
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Anujan wrote:No I am serious.
I agree with Rangudu. I doubt if TSPA would desire that. After all, Muallh FM Fazlullah and his followers, the Shaheen Commando Force, have been terrorizing the PA (yes, the PA itself). Exasperated, the Government finally entered into a peace deal with Fazlullah in 2008 agreeing to (or, more precisely, caving in to) all his conditions such as legalizing his FM station, converting his madrassah into a University and exonerating the actions of his Commando force. They even asked him to help the administration to 'establish a strong governance in the area' !!

After signing the deal, the NWFP Chief Minister Hoti also announced that the Pakistani Army troops would henceforth be in ‘reactive mode’. This was effective hand over of administration to Mullah Fazlullah. When asked about the refusal to surrender arms by Fazlullah and his Taliban soldiers, CM Hoti dismissed that as a ‘minor procedural detail’. Those who supported the deal offered several benefits that could accrue from this. The ANP leader, Asfandyar Wali who had been targeted by the Taliban before and who had to leave Pakistan briefly to save himself, said that the deal was struck because “the soil of my country flowing with streams of innocent blood” could not be tolerated. The Pakistani foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi claimed, after a meeting with a very disturbed US Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke, that ‘Swat peace deal was a local solution to a local problem’ even as Afghan Foreign Minister Rangeen Dafdar Spanta voiced ‘Afghanistan’s serious concern’.

The condition that the NWFP government has glossed over in the peace deal with Swat Taliban was that the deal was contingent upon a successful peace deal between Pakistan and the TTP. Thus, the Taliban placed the Federal and Provincial governments in a vice-like grip. This provision was used by Fazlullah to wriggle out of his peace deal a few weeks after it was signed citing the on-going military operation in South Waziristan against Baitullah Mehsud, as an excuse.

Then, Maulana FM Fazlullah simply began to cut loose. He torched several girls’ schools, eliminated politicians especially those with PPP loyalty, and attacked government checkposts, totally in violation of the terms of the peace deal. The targetted attacks on PPP politicians, for the re-starting of the Army action in FATA and NWFP, scared the other politicians from taking open positions against him, thus indirectly strengthening him. Towards end of July 2008, he called all the elected representatives of NWFP to resign their seats or else face attacks. Later, he frequently attempted to cut-off the strategically important Karakoram Highway (KKH) and the Pakistani Army could only barely hang on to it under great stress. The Swat Taliban thus violated every one of the agreed 15 clauses of the May 21, 2008 peace deal. Thus, analysts like Lt. Gen. (Retd.) Talat Masood have pointed out that peace deal was “more of an attempt at pacification than at establishing the writ of the state”.

As the situation became unbearable, GoP released Fazlullah's father-in-law, Maulana Sufi Mohammed, from custody hoping he will be able to retrieve the situation in Swat. Thus a simple village clergyman with a limited knowledge of Islam and who had taken thousands of his followers to slaughter in Afghanistan fighting against the Americans after 9/11 was suddenly thrust into limelight. The colourful Maulana Sufi Mohammed, for his part, entered into another peace deal with NWFP government in March 2009. It included such things as banning of music, vulgarity (a vague reference that would give the Taliban a handle to implement their own regulations), launching of an anti-crime campaign (with no definition of what was a crime according to the Taliban), and closure of shops during prayer times. Soon thereafter, Fazlullah denounced ‘democracy’ as un-Islamic and a system suitable only for the kafir. The Army was confined to the barracks, while the Taliban began moving freely thereby consolidating their position.

I hope Karzai and his minions are aware of the details.
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Do you remember jalebi madams article arguing that Sufi Mohammed's demand for sharia was entirely reasonable?
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Anujan ji, once 'Objectives Resolution' have been incorporatd into the Preamble of the Constitution, it will be a surprise only if demands for Shariah are not endorsed by the likes of Madam Honeytrap. I don't know if Shariah allows honeytrap activities in the service of Ummah.

Anyway, Sufi Mohammed saheb's demands were not merely for implementing Shariah, but a Shariah hand-written by him and in Pashto ! He therefore rejected Shari Nizam-e-Adl that the Malakand government had already announced as the replacement for Criminal procedure Code, to appease the Taliban. The Government which had released him in the hope that he wuld bring some sanity and peace, had the shock of its life !
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Dealing with Pakistan's brinkmanship - Shyam Saran, The Hindu
During the past decade, there have been notable shifts in Pakistan’s nuclear doctrine, away from minimum deterrence to second strike capability and towards expanding its nuclear weapons arsenal to include both strategic and tactical weapons. Islamabad has described these developments as “consolidating Pakistan’s deterrence capability at all levels of the threat spectrum.” These shifts are apparent from the following developments:

(1) There is a deliberate shift from the earlier generation of enriched uranium nuclear weapons to a newer generation of plutonium weapons.

(2) This shift has enabled Pakistan to significantly increase the number of weapons, which now appears to have overtaken India’s nuclear weapon inventory and, in a decade, may well surpass those held by Britain and France.

(3) Progress has been made in the miniaturisation of weapons, enabling their use with cruise missiles, both air and surface-based (Ra’ad or Hatf VIII and Babur or Hatf-VII respectively) as also with a new generation of short range and tactical missiles (Abdali or Hatf II with a range of 180 km and Nasr or Hatf-IX with a range of 60 km).

(4) Pakistan has steadily improved the range and accuracy of its delivery vehicles{except Hatf-5 perhaps}, building upon the earlier Chinese models (the Hatf series) and the later North Korean models (the No-dong series). The newer missiles, including the Nasr, are solid-fuelled, which are quicker to launch than the older liquid-fuelled versions.

Not under safeguards

This rapid development of its nuclear weapon arsenal has been enabled by the setting up of two plutonium production reactors at Khusab with a third and fourth under construction. These have been built with Chinese assistance{It is my understanding that though the French did not supply a re-processing plant in the 70s, some significant ToT had already taken place before the contract was terminated} and are not under safeguards. The spent fuel from these reactors is reprocessed at the Rawalpindi New Labs facility, where there are reportedly two plants each with a capacity to reprocess 10 to 20 tonnes annually.

Olli Heinonen, a former Director of Safeguards at the IAEA has observed: “Commissioning of additional plutonium production reactors and further construction of reprocessing capabilities signify that Pakistan may even be developing second-strike capabilities”.

These developments are driven by a mix of old and new set of threat perceptions and, equally, political ambitions. The so-called existential threat from India continues to be cited as the main driver of Pakistan’s nuclear compulsions. The rapid increase in the number of weapons is justified by pointing to India having a larger stock of fissile material available for a much more numerous weapons inventory, thanks to the Indo-U.S. civil nuclear agreement. Tactical nuclear weapons are said to be a response to India’s so-called “Cold Start” doctrine or its suspected intention to launch quick response punitive thrusts across the border in case of another major cross-border terrorist strike.

Pakistan’s strategic objective has been expanded to the acquisition of a “full-spectrum capability” comprising a land, air and sea-based triad of nuclear forces, to put it on a par with India.

However, the focus on India has tended to obscure an important change in Pakistan’s threat perception which has significant implications. The Pakistani military and civilian elite is convinced that the United States has also become a dangerous adversary, which seeks to disable, disarm or take forcible possession of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons.

This threat perception may be traced to the aftermath of 9/11, when Pakistan, for the first time in its history, faced the real prospect of a military assault on its territory by U.S. forces and the loss of its strategic assets. In his address to the nation on September 15, 2001, President Pervez Musharraf justified his acquiescence to the U.S. ultimatum to abandon the Taliban and support U.S. military operations in Afghanistan, on account of four over-riding and critical concerns — “our sovereignty, second our economy, third our strategic assets and fourth our Kashmir cause.” Pakistan once again became a “front-line state,” this time in the U.S. war on terrorism in Afghanistan in contrast to the U.S.-led war against the Soviet forces in that country in the 1980s. But this time round, Pakistan became an ally by compulsion rather than by choice.

While the immediate threat to its strategic assets passed, Pakistan’s suspicions of U.S. intentions in this regard did not diminish and have now risen to the level of paranoia. The American drone attacks against targets within Pakistani territory and, in particular, the brazenness with which the Abbotabad raid was carried out by U.S. Navy Seals in May 2011 to kill Osama bin Laden, have only heightened Pakistan’s concerns over U.S. intentions. These have overtaken fears of India, precisely because the U.S. has demonstrated both its capability and willingness to undertake such operations. India has not.

Recent shifts

Thus the recent shifts in Pakistan’s nuclear strategy cannot be ascribed solely to the traditional construct of India-Pakistan hostility. They appear driven mainly by the fear of U.S. assault on its strategic assets. The more numerous and compact the weapons, the wider their dispersal and the greater their sophistication, the more deterred the U.S. would be from undertaking any operations to disable them or to take them into its custody. The U.S. finds it as difficult to acknowledge this reality as it has, until recently, Pakistan’s complicity in terrorism directed against its forces in Afghanistan. This permits putting the onus on India to reassure Pakistan through concessions rather than admitting that the problem lies elsewhere. There is also a strong non-proliferation lobby in the U.S. which believes it could leverage the threat of an India-Pakistan nuclear exchange to reverse some of the concessions made to India in the civil nuclear deal. More recently, it is being argued that since the U.S. is finding it difficult to get its promised share of the civil nuclear business in India due to concerns over the country’s Nuclear Liability legislation, a major rationale behind the agreement no longer exists. And meanwhile, it is further claimed, the civil nuclear agreement has only heightened the danger of India-Pakistan nuclear war by feeding into Pakistani fears of India’s enhanced nuclear capabilities.

In this context, I wish to recall an exchange over dinner hosted by President George Bush for Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in November 2008 in Washington. The then Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice remarked that after the “heavy lifting” the U.S. had done to get the nuclear deal through, she hoped India would ensure that U.S. companies got a share of the orders for new reactors. Before our Prime Minister could reply, Mr. Bush stated categorically that he was not bothered if India did not buy even a single reactor from the U.S., since he regarded the agreement as confirming India as a long-term strategic partner rather than a mere customer for U.S. reactors.

Pakistan encourages the arguments of the U.S. non-proliferation lobby since this keeps the pressure on India and enables the camouflage of Pakistan’s real motivations. It would not wish to project, as an adversary, a much more powerful U.S., and lose out on the economic and military support it receives, however transactional these deals may have become.

The implications

What are the implications of these recent developments?

One, it is not through “strategic restraint” or security assurances by India that Pakistan would be persuaded to change its behaviour and revise its strategy. India and Pakistan have some nuclear CBMs in place and India would be prepared to go further. The main levers for such persuasion lie in Washington and in Beijing, not in New Delhi.

Two, whatever sophistry Pakistan may indulge in to justify its augmented arsenal and threatened recourse to tactical nuclear weapons, for India, the label on the weapon, tactical or strategic, is irrelevant since the use of either would constitute a nuclear attack against India. In terms of India’s stated nuclear doctrine, this would invite a massive retaliatory strike. For Pakistan to think that a counter-force nuclear strike against military targets would enable it to escape a counter-value strike against its cities and population centres, is a dangerous illusion. The U.S. could acquaint Pakistan with NATO’s own Cold War experience when tactical nuclear weapons were abandoned once it was realised that use of such weapons in any conflict would swiftly and inexorably escalate to the strategic level. Instead of urging India to respond to Pakistani nuclear escalation through offering mutual restraint, the U.S. should convince Islamabad that a limited nuclear war is a contradiction in terms and that it should abandon such reckless brinkmanship. The U.S. knows that India’s nuclear deterrence is not Pakistan-specific. Any misguided attempt to constrain Indian capabilities would undermine, for both, the value of Indo-U.S. strategic partnership in an increasingly uncertain and challenging regional and global security environment.

Three, Pakistan is no longer India’s problem. Its toxic mix of jihadi terrorism and nuclear brinkmanship poses a threat to the region and to the world. Even China, whose culpability in continuing to assist Pakistan in developing its nuclear and delivery capabilities is well documented, is not exempt. It needs to reassess its own policies. An apparently low-cost and proxy effort to contain India may well become China’s nightmare, too, in the days to come.
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SSridhar wrote:Dealing with Pakistan's brinkmanship - Shyam Saran, The Hindu
I have read quotes that

1)both the Chashma plants are under IAEA safeguards, SHyam Saran says otherwise, and

Pakistan gets IAEA approval for new N-plant
The approval of the agreement is a success for Pakistan and a recognition of its non-proliferation commitments, it said, and added that a similar safeguards agreement was also in place for Chashma-1 in central Punjab province.
Pakistan gets approval for nuke plant

Knowlegable people, IAEA cannot state/ approve a plant from a Non NPT signing country producing Weapons grade plutonium.

If these 2 plants are under safeguards, then Pakistan has no plutonium, the Karachi plant can produce negliable amount of Uranium.

2) can these 2 plants produce more plutonium than all of Nuke plants in India combined.

Somehow I felt his article is to produce Dhoti Shivering and explain why WKK is nessecary and why Pakistan is big and powerful to the Aam Janta the actions of elite which is done in other interests.

Has Shyam Saran deliberately stated that the plants are not under IAEA safeguards which will make his whole theory fall flat?
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>>I don't know if Shariah allows honeytrap activities in the service of Ummah.

Sure it does, a version of Taqiyyah called "Faqiyyah"...
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JE Menon wrote:>>I don't know if Shariah allows honeytrap activities in the service of Ummah.

Sure it does, a version of Taqiyyah called "Faqiyyah"...
:rotfl:
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JE Menon wrote:>>I don't know if Shariah allows honeytrap activities in the service of Ummah.

Sure it does, a version of Taqiyyah called "Faqiyyah"...
:lol:

or "Takhiya"!

The relationship between Takhiya and Faqiyyah is the same as Pillow and Peyllo!
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There is a concerted effort in the open source info world to promote the image of Pak as a normal country with normal cities with normal sights and sounds.

For example..Wikitravel is currently giving the impression that Karachi is a bustling metropolis with a huge population and..
With more than a million new inhabitants pouring in each year, it's not surprising that the stretch marks are showing in one of the largest and most rapidly growing cities in this world!
:lol:

Here comes the best part.. Crime..
Street crime in Karachi is about what you'd expect from a big city. Use common sense and avoid dangerous areas.
:eek:

Yeah right. If one uses common sense, he/she would not be anywhere near that country

The truth sounds, as we all know.. a lot different.

Karachi's killing fields

The blurb..
Wracked by endemic political violence and crime, Karachi is the world's most dangerous megacity.
(One can see a lot of Cheeni sounding author names in the list of edits for these entires..)
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You can now rest easy, my fellow dhoti-wearing, thin-legged, dark-skinned, cowering in the deepest shadows Hindoos. The broad-chested, fair skinned, taller than the oak tree Pakis have given India a certificate of acceptance with their safety arrangements. All is well and, after a long last, they are now willing to travel to India.

Ashraf satisfied with security for Pakistan team in India
"We are not worried about any security issues because we are certain that the Indian board and government will provide the best possible security for our players," Ashraf said.
"It is difficult to give a time-frame for international teams to return to Pakistan but I see a scenario now where every board is waiting to see which board first sends it team to Pakistan," he said.
Security from (and not for) whom? I mean, come on. Aren't the paki tfta sportsmen in danger of being burnt alive in running trains or in burning buildings by the cowardly Hindoos, and their women getting their bellies ripped open by marauding baniyas? Thanks be to y'allah that the safety inspections met the pakis' tough standards and went off without any hitch.

Rest easy, my fellow Hindoos.
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JE Menon wrote:>>I don't know if Shariah allows honeytrap activities in the service of Ummah.

Sure it does, a version of Taqiyyah called "Faqiyyah"...
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Need a coffee spill alert, seriously!!
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that made my Friday just as it began :lol:
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CRamS wrote:Johann,

Excellent post. I mean I would love to see the day when the Jihadi foot soldiers including LeT realize how they have been used as cannon fodder by the RAPE TSPA/ISI, and then turn on them with a vengeance.

That said, I wounder if you watched the interview with Karzai.
Unfortunately the LeT would be one of the last to turn on the PA.

Firstly, unlike the Deobandis they don't have the backing of a large community inside Pakistan - the Ahle Hadith are a relatively small group. Unlike the Deobandis they can't seriously dream of taking over any time soon.

Secondly, the LeT recruits from the places that benefit the most from the current status quo in Pakistan - i.e. central and northern Pakjab. Its quite different from the seething cauldrons of FATA/NWFP and southern Pakjab where feudalism is stronger, and where the collusion between feudal elites and the state generates deprivation rather than growth.

Thirdly, the PA has never sold them out in quite the same way as it has with other jihadi groups. Allowing something to happen to people like Hafeez Saeed or Lakhvi would sow a lot of distrust between the PA and LeT, which is why Pakistan has gone to such lengths to protect them.
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SS, baikul et al,

Nightwatch on the TTP leadership rumors
LINK
Pakistan-Afghanistan: Pakistani news services reported that a senior Pakistan Army official stationed in South Waziristan Agency said the Pakistan Taliban (Tehrek-e-Taliban Pakistan) is engaged in a leadership struggle. The current commander, Hakimullah Mehsud, reportedly has lost favor with the rank and file and is likely to be deposed by deputy leader, Wali-ur-Rehman.

The deputy is viewed as more moderate and pragmatic. He is expected to reach a truce with the Pakistani government and turn the Pakistani Taliban towards attacking American targets in Afghanistan.

The army official said, "Rehman is fast emerging as a consensus candidate officially to replace Hakimullah. Now we may see the brutal commander replaced by a more pragmatic one for whom reconciliation with the Pakistani government has become a priority.

Comment: Two years ago the al Qaida affiliated groups split over whether the main effort should be against the US in Afghanistan or against the pro-US government in Pakistan. The Afghanistan Taliban under Mullah Omar broke with al Qaida and remained dedicated to fight in Afghanistan, using Pakistan as the logistics base and safe haven. That has proven to be a winning strategy.

The Pakistani Taliban, encouraged by al Qaida's leader Zawahiri, fought against the government in Islamabad to no substantial, measurable effect. Instead, the Pakistani Taliban failed to expand beyond the tribal agencies and generated a backlash against their harsh, religiously justified atrocities, which bordered on mindless local punishments.

The nail in the coffin for the Pakistani Taliban Ultras, led by Hakimullah, apparently was the attempted murder of the 14-year old girl{Malala?} for attending school. The worldwide outrage over that attack appears to have split the Pashtun terrorists in the tribal agencies, resulting in the leadership struggle. :?:

A shift in strategic emphasis towards Afghanistan is an enormous windfall for the government in Islamabad. If the shift occurs, the Pakistan Army can take a rest from campaigning in the tribal agencies in the northwest.

The news for Afghanistan and the residual Western combat forces there is not so good. The great rift in the Pashtun fighting groups will have been healed in favor of hastening the departure of Western forces from Afghanistan, just when they are most vulnerable.
What if all this is psy-ops after all TSPA has learnt from the best?
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Im was on Aaj Tak whatever-whatever event. I heard some part of his interaction from the start
# I am not ISI/TSPA/LeT, so how do I know what they are upto
# Within 9 days, what to say of 90, I can eliminate corruption
# I am not responsible for the past, I can assure you that once I am in power I'll set everything right. Including the environment required for piss
# All it needs is an honest man at the top (that is me). Our government will have just 17 clean ministers thereby ensuring top down effect. Our party has already decided the number of ministers in the government
# I understand Pakhtoons as I am one of them. They are carrying out Jihad against the invaders. Once, I have taken steps as per their psyche it will be alright.
# At the moment the Paki government is fighting the Amirkhan's war. Once this is stopped, which I will, there will be piss
# There were only two leaders with mass following. Quaid and Butto. We have lacked leaders.
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ramana wrote:SS, baikul et al,

Nightwatch on the TTP leadership rumors
LINK

What if all this is psy-ops after all TSPA has learnt from the best?
What would the goal be? This publicity over TTP leadership transition if anything undermines the idea that the 'good Taliban' are good for anyone other than Pakistan.

If it actually took place it would also undermine the idea of Pakistan as a country and a state which has also faced militant Islamic terrorism.

A weak but hostile TTP is useful to the PA in very different ways from a strong and compliant TTP.

The first provides sympathy and cover at cost to your own troops, while the second provides a major force multiplier fighting Kabul and the Americans but at the cost of greater hostility from them.

The two options are mutually exclusive. And the other options - a strong and hostile TTP would be the least desirable for the PA, while a weak and compliant TTP would bring high costs for poor benefits.
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For a long time no, TSP has been trying to undermine hakeemullah.

This article for example proclaims: "Ehsanullah becomes more important than Hakeemullah". Different people have become "more important than hakeemullah" over the years.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2 ... akeemullah
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It sets up Rehman as a target for the US drones. And for all we know he might be the moderate! And spares Hakimullah for wahtever unknown reasons. After all its TSP and none knows if they are coming or going.
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RajeshA wrote:
JE Menon wrote:>>I don't know if Shariah allows honeytrap activities in the service of Ummah.

Sure it does, a version of Taqiyyah called "Faqiyyah"...
:lol:

or "Takhiya"!

The relationship between Takhiya and Faqiyyah is the same as Pillow and Peyllo!
Few days back came across this :-

http://vimeo.com/49479783
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Pak SC dissolves body probing CJ's son in graft case
Pakistan's Supreme Court today dissolved an inquiry commission a day after it said that Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry's son had admitted that he made two foreign visits that were paid for by real estate tycoon Malik Riaz Hussain and his associates.

The court also ruled that there was no need for any further proceedings in the matter.
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RajeshA wrote:
JE Menon wrote:>>I don't know if Shariah allows honeytrap activities in the service of Ummah.

Sure it does, a version of Taqiyyah called "Faqiyyah"... :lol: or "Takhiya"!
The relationship between Takhiya and Faqiyyah is the same as Pillow and Peyllo!
I think Faqiyyah in local language is translated as "Thokkaiya". Poaqs understand the real meanig of the word. Bolywood song Thaiya Thaiya was actualy based on this concept. In conclusion , its established without doubt that GUBO is as ass Islamic as Pisskistan is.
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Jhujar ji,

are you inferring that the response of Hindooos to all the Paki Taqiyya, Takhiya, Takya and Thak-gya should be Thokkiya, Thookya, Tokya and Takkaya?

If yes, then by taking this Theka, sab Theek-kiya!
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RajeshA wrote:Jhujar ji,

are you inferring that the response of Hindooos to all the Paki Taqiyya, Takhiya, Takya and Thak-gya should be Thokkiya, Thookya, Tokya and Takkaya?
If yes, then by taking this Theka, sab Theek-kiya!


As per the doctrine of Jihad e Faqqiya, Paki have the cultural, spirtual ,political right of Taqiyyan Satisfaction while Kaffirs work hard for the joyful response doingThokayya. Glory of Poaqslam is so great that even in this case Kaffirs are the givers and the Poaqers are the receivers .This is the victory for both parties and true secularism . BTW, Taqqiya helps Paki assuming both mental and physical GUBO position by supporting the vital strructure facing the Kuffar action caused stormy commotion and Vaccum /R..tum bursts .
Aman ki Asha will be rewarded with Raman Kriya Aysha.
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Beware of Narendra Modi — Aij Ass hraf

Poaq's Moaq Inbred Paki Wetting Khaki
Modi’s alleged complicity in the riots is bound to make the international community, particularly the Muslim countries, extremely apprehensive if the BJP were to anoint him as its prime ministerial candidate. For long, he conflated the Muslim with the terrorist, Islam with backwardness. In his quest to fan fear and anxiety, Modi recognised no limits, no niceties. He is among the few politicians in the world to have targeted the head of another country in his election campaigns, as he did in 2002 and 2007, spewing venom on then Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf and imploring the people of Gujarat to teach him a lesson by, believe it or not, voting Modi to power.

Should then the principal opposition party of India, which the BJP is, project him as the prospective prime minister? Ask this question of BJP leaders and they are likely to reprimand you for seeking the approval of Uncle Sam and India’s erstwhile colonial master, simultaneously pooh-poohing the clout the Muslim countries can wield. Yet these leaders were overjoyed at the decision of Time magazine to put him on its cover and went to town at the British government’s instruction to its High Commissioner in Delhi for renewing ties with Modi, whom they had boycotted after the 2002 riots. The British government cited “national interest” to justify its rethink on Modi, a point BJP supporters often harp upon to claim that as prime minister, he cannot remain a pariah to foreign countries, who would not wish to risk their commercial interests in India.It is this logic of self-interest that has bolstered the hope of the BJP that most of its existing or potential allies, despite their deep dislike for Modi, would veer to rallying behind him, as it is only he who has the mass appeal to wrest power from the Congress-led coalition in Delhi. Would they for the ideological reason of secularism sacrifice their chances of securing a share of power, ask the BJP leaders.Now imagine Modi as India’s prime minister and his need, inherent in democratic politics, to muster sufficient numbers to remain ensconced in power. From talking about the pride of Gujaratis, he will harp on the pride of Indians. His emotive style of politics will see him fan insecurities countrywide, demanding he create enemies capable of terrorising the entire nation. Such enemies will be so much simpler to find outside the country, in other nations, particularly those comprising South Asia. A trade dispute between India and another country could be blown out of proportion, a concession granted to another nation reversed suddenly, and a border skirmish portrayed as the prelude to an inevitable conflict. It has been Modi’s trait to feed on the weak to become strong personally. Ultimately, Mr Strong is Mr Bully.
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid= ... 3805415202

Aman Ki Tamasha meet in Kanpur. Now the tamasha is not limited to just the Delhi Mumbai socialites. They are trying to get the second tier cities involved.
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^ :mrgreen:

More reasons for having NM as PM of India. Any islamic nation that does business with India, under PM Modi's rule, would mean a thappad on fake islam.
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partha wrote:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid= ... 3805415202

Aman Ki Tamasha meet in Kanpur. Now the tamasha is not limited to just the Delhi Mumbai socialites. They are trying to get the second tier cities involved.
They already covered Hyderabad, AP.
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One thing I found is that pakis are super obsessed about India. Some pisko posted here that pakis think they are a province of India which is 100% true.

He seems to be uninterested in Pakistani politics.
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RamaY garu,

they always cover Hyderabad before they even get to Delhi and Mumbai. there are 2 dimensions to this.

1. significant muslim base allows for a statistically significant dry-run to test response and capabilities.

2. the media doesn't pay much attention if it is not held in Delhi or Mumbai. so that lets them fly under the radar.

my take is that the low profile makes Hyd the ideal place for experimenting before they take it to the media blitz in Delhi and Mumbai.
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Transparency International report baseless
Minister for Information and Broadcasting Qamar Zaman Kaira on Friday said that the Transparency International (TI) report on corruption in Pakistan was fabricated, baseless and a pack of lies.
So, what does a paki do to refute facts? He follows the three step process of:
1. THE FACTS ARE FAULTY: he said that Pakistan’s 33rd ranking in comparison with being 42nd the previous year was illogical.
2. ITS NOT JUST US. ITS EVERYWHERE: more corruption in South Asian states was worrisome as Nepal stood at 139 in the list of most corrupt countries, but South Asian states of Bangladesh and Afghanistan followed it depicting that the whole region was crippled with corruption.
3. AND THE FINAL REFUGE OF A PAKI: Its islamophobia (or rather, look at the christian west: He observed that the world’s top 85 multinational companies do not show their tax invoices on their corporate website.
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Now imagine Modi as India’s prime minister and his need, inherent in democratic politics, to muster sufficient numbers to remain ensconced in power. From talking about the pride of Gujaratis, he will harp on the pride of Indians. His emotive style of politics will see him fan insecurities countrywide, demanding he create enemies capable of terrorising the entire nation. Such enemies will be so much simpler to find outside the country, in other nations, particularly those comprising South Asia. A trade dispute between India and another country could be blown out of proportion, a concession granted to another nation reversed suddenly, and a border skirmish portrayed as the prelude to an inevitable conflict. It has been Modi’s trait to feed on the weak to become strong personally. Ultimately, Mr Strong is Mr Bully
So basically south-Asia = Pakistan where a person is ashamed of his Paki orgins.

Given that Pakistan's eternal and existential enemy is India and NM would make Pakistan/South-Asia the enemy of India; NM will make India self-aware.

The concessions the author is talking about are
- Non-reciprocal MFN status
- Open visa regime? (who wants to go to Pakistan other than ... :wink: )
- pi$$ at any cost

Etc..,

The author's djinn vision can clearly see a cross-border fire from Pakistan resulting in a Pinaka response across border in a 10x1 sq.km area and so on...

:((

Wait a minute :idea: - doesn't our pundits say that 11/26 is done to create an excuse of Indian war so pakis can stop fighting in NWFP and the Indian inaction is what facilitated TSPA destroying talipan and non-state terrorist infrastructure in NWFP?
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Dealing with Pakistan’s brinkmanship

Shyam Saran

Islamabad’s expanding nuclear capability is no longer driven solely by its oft-cited fears of India but by the paranoia about U.S. attacks on its strategic assets

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/de ... epage=true
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^ :mrgreen:

Slowly but surely Pakistan is becoming a soopah-powah thus becoming a world problem.

I will not be surprised if Pakistan becomes the next UNSC veto-holding permanent member with India's support.
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