Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 01 Dec 2013 19:26

I did not see/hear the Jammu speech, reading the highlights makes me believe it to be sterling speech. How was it ?

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 01 Dec 2013 19:38

Sridhar K wrote:Just came back from a pilgrimage (Pancha Dwaraka) covering Gujarat and Southern Rajasthan. I was visiting the state for the first time since Sept 2000 and will post my high level visible and invisible changes in Guj in a few days.

That will be great. There is no substitute for first hand report.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 01 Dec 2013 19:40

RoyG wrote:
RVAIDYA ‏@rvaidya2000 10m
No good:V naidu rumored to be pushing the case of Renuka Chwdury Admission into BJP-

https://twitter.com/rvaidya2000

Why is Renuka Chowdhury bad? She rose on her own merits, was with NTR for sometime, then migrated to Congress. AFAIK, she has no ideology, except love of power. Such creatures can be useful, even if they are not particularly principled.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 01 Dec 2013 19:40

SwamyG wrote:I did not see/hear the Jammu speech, reading the highlights makes me believe it to be sterling speech. How was it ?

It was OK. Nothing earth-shaking. Could've been hajaar better. IMHO. Only.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 01 Dec 2013 19:44

Hope this report turns out to be true, and the Modi wave is confirmed on Dec 9

Why the historic vote in Rajasthan polls could be a Modi wave

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 01 Dec 2013 19:51

Nagesh,

This isn't the issue. The issue is how it is perceived by the voter. IMO, she can help do some backroom deals but using her to garner votes will backfire. Modi and Co. should be careful who they absorb. Some of these guys could sabotage the campaign. There will have to be some giving on her part. Perhaps some tapes, dirt on top Congress leaders, etc

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 01 Dec 2013 19:58

Shashi Tharoors wife is alos Kashmiri, and she wanted to buy land in Kashmir but was not allowed. She tweeted about it. So possible fissure in ST's own family? Damn..Modi at his polarizing best

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 01 Dec 2013 20:06

harbans wrote:Shashi Tharoors wife is alos Kashmiri, and she wanted to buy land in Kashmir but was not allowed. She tweeted about it. So possible fissure in ST's own family? Damn..Modi at his polarizing best

No fissures. Just Modi trying to win over the population. We'll have to wait and see if Modi can pull off a win in J&k. Kashmir is going to be a hard nut to crack.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 01 Dec 2013 20:07

RenukaC along with her grating voice and ugly mug has been the face of CongI double speak on countless talk shows and press conference in MSM . Can't see Bhajapa getting any benefit if she suddenly starts bloviating this time in support of Bhajapa on TV.

For AP Bjp my advice is to field candidates from RSS background . The fillum families like that of RenukaC and the moneyed must then be "made" to support these candidates .

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 01 Dec 2013 20:18

+1 Lilo ji, exactly my thoughts. If she joins BJP, all the INC ppl will have to do will be to put that Youtube video where she laughs hysterically at Rudy, or lying through her teeth that Rahul is a National/ International leader unlike a small time Modi. Too vivid a memory. BJP will loses lakhs of votes if it compromises with this kind of rubbish.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Dec 2013 20:27

Politicians like Sadhu Yadav and Renuka Chowdhury are useful for Narendra Modi as people with deep connections into an opponent's network. They don't need to be the face of BJP. These can be backroom dealers.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Dec 2013 20:34

Hari Seldon wrote:
SwamyG wrote:I did not see/hear the Jammu speech, reading the highlights makes me believe it to be sterling speech. How was it ?
It was OK. Nothing earth-shaking. Could've been hajaar better. IMHO. Only.

IMO, it was a sterling speech!

It was good that Kashmir Pandits were not mentioned. Issues which comprise of historical injustices against Hindus, be it Ram Janam Bhoomi Devalaya, Krishna Janam Bhjoomi Devalaya, Kashi Vishvanath Devalaya, or Kashmiri Pandits, these should not be made into electoral issues or an object of wailing and complaining. Wailing and Complaining is what weak people do and after some time wailing and complaining takes a life of its own, and people start doing it per forma.

Resolution of these issues has to flow out of brute political strength.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 01 Dec 2013 20:48

RoyG wrote:RVAIDYA ‏@rvaidya2000 10m
No good:V naidu rumored to be pushing the case of Renuka Chwdury Admission into BJP-

Why is Renuka Chowdhury bad? She rose on her own merits, was with NTR for sometime, then migrated to Congress. AFAIK, she has no ideology, except love of power. Such creatures can be useful, even if they are not particularly principled.

I remember hearing rumors years ago that V Naidu was CBN's pointman within the BJP (they are the same community) and he was tasked to keep the BJP weak in AP. Renuka is also Kamma and started out in the TDP. WHat has been V Naidu's role in AP BJP in the last 10 - 20 years.

Andhra gurus can shed light on Venkiah Naidu and his transition to a rootless Dill Billi from Andhra Pradesh.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Dec 2013 21:12

nageshks wrote:
RoyG wrote:
Why is Renuka Chowdhury bad? She rose on her own merits, was with NTR for sometime, then migrated to Congress. AFAIK, she has no ideology, except love of power. Such creatures can be useful, even if they are not particularly principled.

also responsible for almost single handedly demolishing the indigenous tracked artillery program bhim, also resulting in the army being gun-nude. her letter to MOD alleging irregularities in the bhim JV with denel was based on a single report in a paki owned south african mag which shut shop soon after. how and why did the minister for women and child health get to know about an article on a technical military project in an obscure foreign mag and why was she interested in scuttling it ?
very very fishy.
IOW, keep her as far away from anything important as possible.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 01 Dec 2013 21:15

She is a snake for sure. She destroyed our artillery capability in one swoop. Honestly, she is just too toxic to touch. It will look bad if BJP inducts her.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2013 21:19

If she knows any secrets from inner circle could spread more fud in the Jedi council
could be a useful new hire that way.
could be of use as bjp tv talk show rep to make fun of congi
types...a light non strategic role but a visible symbol of desertion
from mordor

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Dec 2013 21:24

or, which is more likely, a mole.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Dec 2013 21:25

RoyG wrote:She is a snake for sure. She destroyed our artillery capability in one swoop. Honestly, she is just too toxic to touch. It will look bad if BJP inducts her.

That is true. How in the world she can adjust her rhetoric after making too many statement against Modi, BJP etc will fit into BJP. Thinking that itself does not give answers. I think it may be just a rumor. There are tonne of kammas from Khammam district who can spend their life out to win the seat for BJP if they can go in this route. She is simply not necessary.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Dec 2013 21:27

Singha wrote:If she knows any secrets from inner circle could spread more fud in the Jedi council
could be a useful new hire that way.
could be of use as bjp tv talk show rep to make fun of congi
types...a light non strategic role but a visible symbol of desertion
from mordor

Looks nice on paper but is she ready for such a role?

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 01 Dec 2013 21:37

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Dec 2013 21:40

The real test of BJP will be how they handle defectors in the run-up to 2014.

RC is bad news and if all else is forgotten her role in Denel arty issue is unforgivable.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 01 Dec 2013 21:59

"kala angrez" needs to be demolished! let the force be with modi. .. thank gawd, we have one leader now to do some work for desh.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 01 Dec 2013 22:13

RajeshA wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote: It was OK. Nothing earth-shaking. Could've been hajaar better. IMHO. Only.
IMO, it was a sterling speech!

It was good that Kashmir Pandits were not mentioned. Issues which comprise of historical injustices against Hindus, be it Ram Janam Bhoomi Devalaya, Krishna Janam Bhjoomi Devalaya, Kashi Vishvanath Devalaya, or Kashmiri Pandits, these should not be made into electoral issues or an object of wailing and complaining. Wailing and Complaining is what weak people do and after some time wailing and complaining takes a life of its own, and people start doing it per forma.

Resolution of these issues has to flow out of brute political strength.

I am okay with it if he did not mention Pandits. This is not the time for chest puffing and talking smack. He has to be very careful what he says. The ONLY goal has to be to win. You cannot win if you talk about Ayodhya, Mathura etc etc because he will get dragged into that and give an opening to Congress.

I have enough confidence in Modiji that he will look into the issue of the KPs once he gets into power. As for now, I trust in him to do what is needed to get to power.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 01 Dec 2013 22:14

RoyG wrote:She is a snake for sure. She destroyed our artillery capability in one swoop. Honestly, she is just too toxic to touch. It will look bad if BJP inducts her.

I agree, it is too soon. From dissing Modi a few days/weeks ago, why should Modi welcome her?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 01 Dec 2013 22:23

If she is inducted, Amit Shah will def be playing a big role in keeping an eye on her. The arrangement could be under the table. No official association with the BJP. In return for helping indict congress high command, arms dealers, etc she will be immune to prosecution and can hold on to her wealth. I am sure this has already been going on with other congress leaders. We just wont know about until Modi makes it to the PM chair. It would also explain why the Congress hasn't really been able to bring him down. Perhaps the bomb underneath/near the stage didn't go off b/c they wanted to scare him instead of kill him.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Dec 2013 22:32

Venkayya was close to Kamma TDP and did nothing to make bjp powerful. She was very close to mafia queen for long. One surprice was HeR SUDDEN REMOVAL FROM SPOKESMAN POSITION. IS HER TRY GANG MAY BE A REASON. She was fighting TRS gang till now and find change difficult.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 01 Dec 2013 22:34

very well could be congi play here , trying to push her into bjp

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 01 Dec 2013 22:35

even after so many hrs #NaMoInJammu is trending 2nd

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Dec 2013 22:49

krishnan wrote:very well could be congi play here , trying to push her into bjp

+100

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 01 Dec 2013 23:00

Who really knows. It could be a rumor. However, it's hard to believe that some negotiations are taking place behind the scenes. I think Modi may have too much dirt on the Congress and its allies now.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 01 Dec 2013 23:05

Amit Shah tears into Didi at Kolkata rally

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/in ... rally.html

The former Gujarat home minister alleged that the Trinamool Congress-led state government had failed to change the style of administrative functioning in West Bengal.

"Didi, you have ended the Communist regime but not their style of governance. How can we expect a change from you? The same people who were previously associated with the CPM-led Left Front are now sitting at the state secretariat draped in Trinamool cloak," Shah said at a BJP rally in Kolkata.

Shah accused Mamata of following in the footsteps of her predecessor - the Left Front. "There isn't much difference between the Trinamool Congress and the Congress," he said. He said the incumbent Trinamool Congress government was hardly doing anything to curb illegal infiltration from neighbouring Bangladesh.

"Mamataji has failed to deliver on her promises," Shah said, adding: "Do you get electricity round-the-clock in West Bengal villages, like in Gujarat? Say no loudly so that Mamata didi hears you."

Taking on the Congress-led UPA government at the Centre, Shah said: "It is still not clear who would lead the Congress in the Lok Sabha polls next year - Rahul Baba (Rahul Gandhi) or Mauni Baba (Manmohan Singh)."

He said the BJP - unlike its opponents - had already decided on its leader. The BJP national general secretary further pointed out that neither the CPI(M) nor the Trinamool would be able to form a government at the Centre on their own.

"If the BJP forms the next government at the Centre, it will give West Bengal its due right for the development. We don't believe in alms. We believe in equal rights," he said.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Dec 2013 23:05

All I can read is that from RenukaC or some Jayaprada coming to BJP is that something is getting cooked related to AP.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 01 Dec 2013 23:14

If Amit Shah is targeting Mamata then she will be allying with Congress. She is making the same mistake Nitish made.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Dec 2013 23:35

RoyG wrote:If Amit Shah is targeting Mamata then she will be allying with Congress. She is making the same mistake Nitish made.

Mamata is being targeted by a BJP General Secretary, not the highest BJP leadership, not necessarily cuz she is allying with Congress, but to make space for BJP in West Bengal.

She can still ally with BJP post elections.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 02 Dec 2013 00:23

There are seats to pick in WB. So attacking didi makes sense. Just focus on winning as many as possible. Once you are near majority rest will join you. People like Amma, patnaik are basically anti mafia and need not do secular drama. Didi has some problems with huge Islamic votes but needs Delhi support as her state is in a mess. I see Mulayam, Maya, Sharad, Nikamma, left, jidadi gangs are the only people who may not jump into NDa band wagon once they are above 225 or even 200 on their own

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 02 Dec 2013 00:30

Get 2-5 seats in WB,Kerala,TN,AP,Orissa. Very important

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 Dec 2013 01:11

RoyG wrote:If Amit Shah is targeting Mamata then she will be allying with Congress. She is making the same mistake Nitish made.

no way in the foreseeable future. state INC leaders loathe her. MB doesn't like INC either. remember, she was with INC on her terms throughout. it was a marriage of convenience and whatever little need MB had of INC is finished and she discarded them. just like she squashed the maoists like ants after using them to counter CPIM. (an act for which she gets mad props from me. she thought up a strategy that would have done chanakya proud yet kept it under wraps with no one the wiser. and executed it with such speed and sophistication that all the maopests were overwhelmed before they had any idea what was happening. it was a masterclass in diabolical politics. she handled the gorkhaland issue equally well. so much so that within days of their fiery speeches and indefinite strikes the leaders were forced to come on same platform as her and accept her as their leader.)
MB might be a nutter when it comes to administration but she is a supremely capable politician, as good as any in India. she won't make the mistake of going with INC at this juncture.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 02 Dec 2013 01:28

Published on Dec 01, 2013
Centre will inquire into snooping charges: Shinde: PTI

The Union government has said it will inquire into the alleged misuse of state machinery in Gujarat in the wake of snooping on a woman, allegedly at the behest of Amit Shah, former Minister and close aide of Chief Minister Narendra Modi.

The illegal surveillance of the architect allegedly by the Gujarat Police violated phone-tapping rules as it was done without the mandatory permission from the Centre when she was out of Gujarat.

Asked whether Mr. Modi should face prosecution for the alleged misuse of state machinery, Union Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde said on Sunday: “An inquiry will be conducted and [a] decision will be taken. The Union and State Home Secretaries have been authorised to take action against [illegal] snooping.”

Sources said a State Home Secretary was empowered to order tapping of the phone of a person within the State, but when surveillance was done in multiple States, permission of the Union Home Secretary was mandatory. The Gujarat Police seemed to have tapped the phone of the woman when she was in Maharashtra and Karnataka, besides Gujarat, without taking authorisation from the Union Home Secretary, the sources said.

The Gujarat government has constituted an inquiry committee, headed by a retied judge of the Gujarat High Court

This is funny! If Gujarat police can do surveillance of anybody within Gujarat and not outside, the question do they have the capability to do surveillance outside. If that is possible only if the person from outside is calling some party in Gujarat, then the surveillance is still "allowed" as the other party is in Gujarat, and the surveillance can be considered as being of the party that is being called in Gujarat.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 02 Dec 2013 02:07

see.. I think we need that buffoon pradeep sharma open more mouth.. couple of more interviews would nail the problems. making him talk more.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Dec 2013 02:19

Your Heart will Cry After Knowing These Shameful Revealations By
( Like suspected UPA Deliberate attmt to promote Non Indi values)