Intelligence & National Security Discussion

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 28 Apr 2010 01:25

Anujan wrote:
Prabu wrote:Exclusive: Maduri Gupta was blackmailed?
Let the speculations begin!! B Raman says hard to blackmail single woman. Seema Mustafa says "Depends on what kind of blackmail and News X has details and it will not be good to air them"

I think I'll take B Raman's opinion over some trumped up journalist's, thanks very much.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 28 Apr 2010 01:37

G_Wolf wrote:an indian daily is reporting that this lady has handed several important documents that had india's plans in afghanistan over to the ISI. WTF! hang her from the highest tree!

which Indian daily are you talking about? You should provide a link with your post, otherwise such posts are useless post and contribute to lowering down the standard of the forum.

Welcome to BRF!

Sanju · Post by **Sanju** » 28 Apr 2010 01:49

The news reports have said that she has been providing information for the past 2 years. That seems to match the first bombing of the Indian Embassy in Jul 2008. Since then there have been three more bombings for a total of four (4) bombings targeted specifically at the Indians in Kabul and 3 at the Indian Embassy.

2008-I

The 2008 Indian embassy bombing in Kabul was a suicide bomb attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan on 7 July 2008 at 8:30 AM local time.[3] The bombing killed 58 people[2] and wounded 141.[4] The suspected suicide car bombing took place near the gates of the embassy while the officials were trying to get inside

2009-II

The 2009 Kabul Indian embassy attack was a suicide bomb attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan on 8 October 2009 at 8:30 am local time. The bombing killed 17 people[3] and wounded 63.

Also the same report have mentioned that they had kept her under watch for the last 8 months as per this link

The IB says that they have been on her trail for nearly 8 months. Sources say that she had a clean record until two years back when she was approached by the Pakistan agencies to work for them and pass on information relating to the Indian government.

Attack number III was not at the Embassy, but the same street where the Afghan PM lives. (I need to find the link for this and the exact date)

27 Feb 2010-The Fourth attack that leveled the Arya Guesthouse, where the Indian Drs for the IG hospital for children lived.

What made her switch after such a clean record?

Sanju

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Apr 2010 02:04

Looks like she was clean in Sept 2007 when she got posted to TSP. Then she approached the TSP agencies i.e was 2 years ago ( in 2008?). The story above says she wanted to settle scores with officers.

Sanju · Post by **Sanju** » 28 Apr 2010 02:09

That story about settling scores seems planted to get her some sympathy. "Poor single woman harassed by all the men around her!"

To settle scores does one sell one's country and put in jeopardy the lives of scores of other Indians?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 28 Apr 2010 02:15

Spy story: RAW official in Pak under the scanner

April 28, 2010 00:11 IST

The information allegedly passed on to Pakistani intelligence agencies by Madhuri Gupta while working in the Indian High Commission in Islamabad [ Images ] was not very serious in nature, Intelligence Bureau sources told rediff.com on Tuesday.

Gupta, 53, a promotee officer of the ministry of external affairs, was arrested in New Delhi [ Images ] four days ago on charges of spying for Pakistan.

According to IB sources, Intelligence officials are currently interrogating her to probe her links with a RAW official currently posted in Islamabad.

"She had passed on minor information regarding India's [ Images ] plans in Afghanistan. She was a second secretary in the Media and Information Cell in the Indian embassy in Islamabad. It is impossible to get information on sensitive matters in her position," said an IB official.

He added that the RAW official under scrutiny, who might have been working with her in passing on information to Pakistan, could have leaked crucial information.

But IB officials are confident that no major information could have been leaked by Gupta as she had been put under the scanner several months ago. "We had managed to cut off her sources and were able to prevent a major information leak," said the official.

During interrogation, Madhuri told IB officials that she had agreed to spy for Pakistan's intelligence agencies as she was dissatisfied with her salary.

Gupta told her interrogators that when the Inter Services Intelligence had offered her a large amount of money to pass on information, she had readily agreed. She had reportedly been working for the Pakistan spy agency for nearly a year.

Intelligence officials are interrogating Gupta to find out if another Indian was involved in the spying operation.

IB officials are trying to ascertain the role played by the RAW official in the whole affair.

"We need to find out if he had passed on any information. He could have discussed certain pieces of information to her casually, without being aware of Gupta's plan. But he did abuse his position by discussing confidential information with a person who had no access to such information. We don't have concrete proof of his involvement but we are investigating the matter," said an IB source.

The IB sources also informed that they are probing the role of a man called Rana, who is believed to be Gupta's handler in Pakistan.

They suspect that she was involved in a romantic relationship with him, and he could have been the man who got her in touch with the ISI.

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/apr/ ... canner.htm

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Apr 2010 02:28

Pioneer report on the story:

Wednesday, April 28, 2010
SOURCE

Woman diplomat spied for Pak, held

Karn Pratap Singh | New Delhi

A 53-year-old woman diplomat, posted as second secretary-level officer in Indian High Commission in Pakistan, has been arrested by the Special Cell of Delhi Police on the charges of espionage. According to police sources, the Indian diplomat, identified as Madhuri Gupta, was picked up reportedly from her Panchsheel Apartment residence in Sector-6 Dwarka last week for questioning. Gupta was detained, questioned by a special group comprising members of different agencies, like the Intelligence Bureau, RAW and Delhi Police, before being arrested for passing on sensitive Indian state secrets to Pakistan for over past two years. Gupta was booked under sections 1A and 2A of the Official Secrets Act and produced before a city court on Monday that sent her to five days of police custody.

Confirming the arrest, Vishnu Prakash, spokesperson of the Ministry of External Affairs, who is currently in Thimphu, said, “We have reason to believe that an official in the High Commission of India in Islamabad had been passing information to the Pakistani Intelligence agencies. The matter is currently under investigation. The official is cooperating with our inquiries.” Home Secretary GK Pillai said Gupta had been passing information to Pakistani agencies. “She has been arrested,” he said. Investigators reportedly have seized a few important documents related to the matter and are examining them for further investigation.

Sources said Gupta, who is reportedly unmarried, is being questioned to establish her role in the suicide bomb attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul, which occurred on July 7, 2008. “Investigation into the incident had confirmed role of ISI in the lethal attack and the same was confirmed by US intelligence agencies. Sleuths are questioning her to know if she had passed on any secret information to the ISI in executing their deadly plan,” said the source.

Police sources said that Gupta, an Indian Foreign Services (IFS) Group-B officer of Subordinate Service Cadre, was working in the Press & Information Wing of the Indian High Commission in Islamabad since September 2007. An official who is part of the investigating team said on the condition of anonymity that Gupta came under the scanner of the Indian intelligence agencies after she showed “extraordinary” interest in areas beyond her role in the information wing.

“She was put under surveillance for over six months before the Ministry of External Affairs called her back to India under the guise of SAARC summit-related work being held in Thimphu, Bhutan. She was picked up from her home after she returned to the Capital last week,” said the official adding, “Before putting Gupta under surveillance, intelligence agencies had gained the confidence of senior MEA officials by briefing them about her activities in Pakistan, which included supplying of sensitive and classified documents related to Indian activities in that country and Afghanistan.”

Sharing disclosure made by Gupta during questioning, the official added that she claimed that she used to get the sensitive information from another senior diplomat posted in Islamabad. According to the sources, Gupta had been allegedly passing information related to India’s strategic interest and movement of high-profile people to a Pakistani intelligence man identified as “Rana”. She was reportedly being paid handsomely for spying and working in the interest of ISI. “During questioning she named a senior diplomat posted in Islamabad who had been sharing secret Indian information to her. Though her claims are being verified, the way she had been receiving crucial strategic information indicates involvement of other senior diplomats. It is unlikely that she was a lone spy operating on her own but we are yet to confirm the involvement of others,” the source added.

Even Indian intelligence agencies are of the opinion that the woman diplomat is just a part of a massive Pakistani spy ring and there may have been others in the Indian diplomatic establishment also engaged in counter espionage. Currently the exact nature of the inducements to Gupta for her services is not known. This is the first ever case of a senior Indian diplomat being arrested for such a crime.

A promotee officer of Ministry of External Affairs, Gupta was working in the Mission for nearly three years and has reportedly told the investigators that she had been passing information since 2008. She was well versed in Urdu and her services were utilised for translation and interpretation. Earlier, she had postings in the Indian Mission in Delhi, Kuala Lumpur and worked with the ‘India Perspective’, a magazine of the External Publicity wing of MEA. Interrogators are questioning Gupta to know more into the espionage episode.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Apr 2010 02:30

^^^

Shows Indian agencies were on the job since the Embassy bombing to understand how it happened. The clincher is the convincing the senior MEA officials about her role.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 28 Apr 2010 02:42

Curiosity bug nets ‘spy’
- Diplomat based in Pak held
ANANYA SENGUPTA, The telegraph, Kolkata, April 28, 2010

New Delhi, April 27: A middle-level Indian diplomat posted in Islamabad who apparently nosed around for secrets unrelated to her work has been arrested on the charge of spying for Pakistan.

Delhi police sources said Madhuri Gupta, 53, a second secretary and Urdu interpreter at the Indian high commission, was disgruntled with the way her career was going and had passed on information for “a lot of money”.

The arrest comes at a time Manmohan Singh is believed to be keen on reviving the peace process and is expected to meet the Pakistan Prime Minister on the sidelines of the Saarc summit, which begins in Bhutan tomorrow.

PTI quoted a former Indian diplomat, K.C. Singh, as saying this was the first “penetration” by Pakistan into an Indian mission. Pakistani officials claimed it was all a ploy by “Indian hawks” to scuttle the peace moves.

Gupta, posted to Pakistan in August 2007, was summoned to Delhi on the pretext of sending her to the Saarc summit and arrested on her way from the airport to her home here on Sunday.

Police sources said the unmarried Gupta had aroused suspicion through her constant questioning about information she didn’t need to know, and had been under watch by Indian spy agency RAW for over a year. A senior RAW official in Pakistan is under the scanner as a possible accomplice.

The sources said that during her earlier postings in Malaysia and Delhi, Gupta had kept requesting a Pakistan posting citing her love of Urdu — which means Pakistani spy agency ISI may have already got in touch with her.

Gupta, a government employee for 30 years who had been promoted to the IFS Group B cadre, apparently felt “she deserved more after so many years of service”, a source said.

An intelligence source said the importance of the documents Gupta was believed to have passed on were unclear. “But the extent of the damage, done over more than two-and-a-half years, seems substantial.”

Yesterday, a court sent Gupta to five days’ police custody. She has been booked under the Official Secrets Act and if convicted, can be jailed for 10 years. She will be tried behind closed doors.

sumeet_s · Post by **sumeet_s** » 28 Apr 2010 03:11

Madhuri Gupta worked with ICWA, was keen to go to Pakistan: sify news

http://sify.com/news/Madhuri-Gupta-work ... begai.html

hope this was not posted earlier...

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 28 Apr 2010 03:19

Of greater concern is growing speculation that Gupta had befriended RK Sharma, the station head of India’s Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), posted in Islamabad, and used her contact with him to pass on sensitive information. But officials involved in the investigations said she was a lone operator.

“She is a disgruntled employee who had little real-time information to give out,” said an official who spoke to Gupta. While she does not appear to be a Mata Hari, the reason for worry is security. As a diplomat working in the mission, she could have given out details of the timings and habits of Indian diplomats posted in Islamabad. Such information could fall into the hands of terrorists if they wished to attack the mission, officials said.

Gupta was working in the high commission as an interpreter, her primary duty being to scan the Urdu press and translate the reports. She is said to be proficient in Persian.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_wo ... an_1376410

Shivlal Vedhavani · Post by **Shivlal Vedhavani** » 28 Apr 2010 03:20

She lived in panchsheel
deviod of even one sheel
the sheen peeled off
when begum became gumnaam

Wonder how many a life was sniffed off because of her.
The recent passport numbers published along with names of individuals supposed to be helping Karzai governors could be traced to..

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 28 Apr 2010 03:49

MMS : Talks with Pak only if action is taken against 26/11 conspirators (April 14, 2010)

Singh made known his dissatisfaction over insufficient action by Pakistan with regard to those behind 26/11 as he said that several of the "conspirators", including Lashkar-e-Taiba chief Hafiz Saeed, were still roaming about freely.

Addressing a press conference here, he rejected Pakistan's contention that there was not enough evidence to act against Saeed and said the proof, even that gathered by American agencies, was already in public domain and there was no need to give any more.

Could this be the real reason behind the first known incident of tough talk from the Prime Minister?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Apr 2010 03:55

More details

After four month watch Indian diplomat held

On April 22, inside a South Block chamber of the Ministry of External Affairs, officials confronted a serving diplomat with evidence that strongly suggested she was a Pakistani spy.

A week earlier, MEA officials “at the highest level” were informed by the Intelligence Bureau that they were convinced that Madhuri Gupta, an IFS-B grade officer posted as a translator in the press unit of the Indian mission in Islamabad, was involved in espionage operations.

As the counter-intelligence operation played out, Gupta was called to New Delhi ostensibly for preparatory work on the SAARC summit but was politely told by IB officials that her spy game since September 2008 was up.

Gupta, in the presence of MEA officials, was then shown some evidence meticulously collected by the surveillance mounted on her over a four-month period in Islamabad. She broke down and confessed, sources said.

A top intelligence official told The Indian Express that Gupta’s recruitment as a mole was a “major achievement” for Pakistani intelligence.

Reports compiled so far indicate that Gupta “frequently” handed over Indian High Commission documents and reports — probably prepared on a weekly or fortnightly basis by her — to a particular “handler” of the Pakistani intelligence.

The two would meet at pre-fixed destinations including safehouses identified by Indian agencies.

What officials described as “overwhelming evidence” against Gupta include telephone transcripts between her and her Pak handler and documents recovered from her New Delhi residence in New Krishna Park.

The key to the case will be contents of Gupta’s office computer, which has been sealed and carried from Islamabad and its hard disk is currently being cloned and analyzed by the Special Branch of the Delhi Police, which booked the OSA case.

MEA officials familiar with Gupta’s interrogation say that she had previous postings in Kuala Lumpur and Baghdad and speaks fluent Urdu and Persian. She is said to have admitted to frequent meetings with her handler but denied any regular monetary compensation being paid to her. She has also denied knowledge of any other official of the Indian mission being recruited along with her.

Besides the contents of the hard disk, Gupta’s bank accounts are under scrutiny with Indian agencies expected to make an assessment of the damage done by the 18-month-long spy scandal over the next few days.

Shubhajit Roy adds from Thimphu: The Gupta spy scandal took centrestage this afternoon since it broke before Prime Minister Manmohan Singh meets his Pak counterpart Yusuf Raza Gilani. The meeting is likely to happen sometime tomorrow, sources said.

With Foreign secretary Nirupama Rao and Joint secretary (Pakistan) Y K Sinha, the decision was quick, and official spokesperson Vishnu Prakash read out a statement confirming the incident. “‘We have reason to believe that an official in the Indian High Commission in Islamabad has been passing information to the Pakistani intelligence agencies. The matter is currently under investigation. The official is cooperating with our investigations and inquiries,” he said.

The Indian Express correspondent had met Gupta in Islamabad in May 2008 during the last composite dialogue talks. She had introduced herself as the Urdu translator for the Indian High Commission in Islamabad and played part host at a do hosted by the Indian High Commissioner for the media.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 28 Apr 2010 04:23

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Pic already posted.

Bhaskar · Post by **Bhaskar** » 28 Apr 2010 04:31

aditya.agd wrote:is there a way that India can also do a similar thing to Pakistani? I just cannot understand why indian intelligence can not mount a counter terror initiative within Pakistan?

R&AW does. The only thing is R&AW performs much more efficiently than the ISI. R&AW is excessively secretive and is thus barely ever in the news or in popular culture. An average Indian isn't aware of such an organization. More Indians are aware of the presence of the ISI and the CIA then R&AW.
It's a spy agency. They are secretive and such a revelation is a blow to the ISI.
R&AW is barely in news even if someone is caught is due to the fact that R&AW is an agency not answerable to the people of India and only reports to the Prime Minister.

Sudip · Post by **Sudip** » 28 Apr 2010 04:39

pgbhat wrote:[img]tasveer[/img]
SOURCE

picture already posted in pg 56 boss

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Apr 2010 04:58

Hopefully she is kept under close surveillance. Interrogating her could take months, dont want untoward incidents.

This is a huge pain. Now everyone in the embassy has to be interviewed, the who place swept for bugs. Money trails to catch up, list of people she met domestically to be followed up. It would be naive to assume that she was stealing info only from within the embassy, especially if she had been making trips to India. Also naive to assume she was the only fish and/or did not recruit others.

aditya.agd · Post by **aditya.agd** » 28 Apr 2010 06:02

One of the good things about this is that she was caught and there are people who are monitoring the diplomats posted in sensitive countries.

Pakistan ISI has a definitive agenda to breakup India and Indians must use military might to establish supremacy. India can only gain if our policy makers are not shy of utilizing military options at regular intervals.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 28 Apr 2010 07:04

The facts so far: Having read the initial reports, I think there is a lot of disinfo going on by intelwallahs/strategywallahs. Its being stage managed and the info being leaked is being controlled. A lot of different info coming out, one said she was arrested many days ago. Others saying she did it for money, some to get back at officers. 10 officers of various intel agencies were spying on her. They identified the safe houses where meetings took place - To me clearly, there were yindu's on the ground monitoring her movements rather than embassy staffers.

Various sources say she was on watch for 8 months, some say 4/5months. Evidence is telephone intercepts with handler, they checked out prefixed safe houses.

On arrival at IGI, they seized 2 mobile phones and found emails to the handler. she was also meeting ISI officers, made 'dead letter drops' and also sent e-mails to handlers from fake accounts.

The story as it stands is not very believable if I am honest.

My View: After looking at the facts, this looks like an extensive operation (someone was monitoring her internet use, intercepted her phone conversations abroad with handler and have been watching her activities on the ground in TSP) and I don't think we will hear the truth of what actually went on and why/how she was caught.

Okay, I reckon the following scenarios could have played out:
1 - She raised a lot of suspicions by asking questions, Dilli guys are sent in to look at her activities in the embassy. So trained IB guys came in and did a clean sweep of her activities - put in spyware on her laptop etc.
2 - If RAW station chief was involved, no way in hell he would not have been unaware of the surveillance operation on her in TSP or at least in the embassy. BUt it could just be that IB guys were called in by the High commissioner and RAW/DIA/DGMI run the ground ops in TSP.
3 - We have an ISI spy who gave her up
4 - ISI asked for something she couldnt deliver or refused to do, so they blackmailed her and mailed a copy to Delhi of everything (transcripts, pictures etc of her involvement)

There could be many other likely scenarios that could have played out. Lets wait for the complete truth to come out.

I hope she rots in prison for the rest of her life!

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 28 Apr 2010 07:50

Shyamd-ji,
Thanks for your patience. There is a lot which is not said. Especially the lady's background
has been kept a secret. Newspaperwallahas are banging their heads here and there, yet
they haven't found much info except what is doled out by MHA, MEA. The lady's upbringing, her edu background, her family connections, ... are still kept as a guarded secret. it is
better to keep these a secret for supreme national interest. Unless some self-aggrandizing babu ......

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 28 Apr 2010 08:22

Kati wrote: her edu background,

University of Delhi alum...

She is interested in the Chishty foundation at Dargah Sharif (Ajmer), and regularly checks out tarot cards! Quite possibly a convert.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 28 Apr 2010 08:43

This spy bust is not exactly what it appears to be. This could be a diversion. Its timing is what spooks me.Any gurus can reason if this is a diversion tactic to divert our resources at a critical time? These tactics have been done before. To cover a major Operation, enemy's eyes and ears are diverted for something less important. She must have outlived her utility.

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Apr 2010 08:51

3 - We have an ISI spy who gave her up

Like this part. Will be the silver lining in a dark cloud!!!

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 28 Apr 2010 09:21

shyamd wrote: 4 - ISI asked for something she couldnt deliver or refused to do, so they blackmailed her and mailed a copy to Delhi of everything (transcripts, pictures etc of her involvement)

I don't think this option is that likely. Why let the opposition know that they've been penetrated and reveal the source. That makes the job of the counter-intel folks so much easier because they can figure out what info that person had access to and make damage control so much more easier.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 28 Apr 2010 09:30

ArmenT wrote:I don't think this option is that likely. Why let the opposition know that they've been penetrated and reveal the source. That makes the job of the counter-intel folks so much easier because they can figure out what info that person had access to and make damage control so much more easier.

exactly!! if She did not deliver, everyone would have kept quiet. She would have retired after full service.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 28 Apr 2010 09:34

Well credit goes to Pak Intel in the way they handled the lady she being an ordinary MEA lady managed to spy for ~ 2 years right under the nose in one of the most sensitive embassy in the world. Imagine had she been a trained spy she could have done more damaged or could have gone simply undetected.

Credit also goes to Indian CI that they managed to trace her and pinpoint her as the spy , I am sure Indian Intel would have used her to pass misleading info since she has been under surveillance for ~ 6 month.

They should now do a postmortem and see what went wrong and introduce mechanism in place that makes it difficult for some one to turn into a spy and even if they do as will always be the case , they do not thrive and survive for years.

chandanus · Post by **chandanus** » 28 Apr 2010 10:01

She had been under surveillance for more than 6-7 years ....former IB chief on news channel ....saw last evening .

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Apr 2010 10:17

chandanus wrote:She had been under surveillance for more than 6-7 years ....former IB chief on news channel ....saw last evening .

7 years??

That would only mean that lots of dis-information was passed along ( a.k.a. unintentional double agent) and she was mostly called in when indian intel got a whiff that ISI was also realizing wrong info was being passed through her.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 28 Apr 2010 10:24

MK Dhar made that statement. I believe he meant 6-7 months. Anyway, hes been retired a long time, and he was never IB chief, he was an IG level officer. If he knows something that others dont because of his friendship with serving officers, he should keep it to himself rather than going to town on TV.

Ravi Karumanchiri · Post by **Ravi Karumanchiri** » 28 Apr 2010 10:30

IMHO: It is a mistake to presume this Gupta-spy affaire was a pure loss for India. If she was leaking info for some time, and the R&AW was on her trail for some time; is it not possible that she was intentionally primed with disinfo to pass along? This kind of scenario would seem to offer an ideal opportunity to do some good misdirection/obfuscation while tracing the countours of the enemy's intelligence operation, and I would expect as much from the R&AW. Any thoughts on this?

Also; might it not be a good idea to rotate staff through these sensitive embassies on a much shorter timeline than seems to have been the case in this instance? After all, if there is constant staff turnover, the Pakistanis are going to have to do much more leg-work to get their info taps flowing. Or maybe..... Gupta was a counterintelligence operation? (Surely, India has more than one Urdu-speaking translator!)

One thing's for sure -- We'll probably never know the full story.

sawant · Post by **sawant** » 28 Apr 2010 10:35

Methinks the lady isnt such a big fish... even naive may i say... i worry abt what happens in mission other than in TSP !

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Apr 2010 11:05

B Raman-ji on the affair

http://ramanstrategicanalysis.blogspot. ... ns-ib.html

Vivek Raghuvanshi · Post by **Vivek Raghuvanshi** » 28 Apr 2010 11:09

If the so called intelligent people knew she is working for ISI

Why not continue feeding her with wrong information and fool ISI into believing that she is their agent.

What did Counter Intel staff get for this catch:

Butter Chicken and Scotch Whiskey?

When Counter Intel team knows that one is working for ISI, what is the problem in maintaining DECEPTION?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Apr 2010 11:13

Anujan wrote:
Prabu wrote:Exclusive: Maduri Gupta was blackmailed?
Let the speculations begin!! B Raman says hard to blackmail single woman. Seema Mustafa says "Depends on what kind of blackmail and News X has details and it will not be good to air them"

News X seems to be a motivated channel, for ever presenting the paki POV and constantly interviewing rabid pakis.

This was the only channel that tried very hard to mischievously link India's cryogenic engine with the ICBM program by suggestively interviewing some guys from some "space NGO".

Can some kind soul post antecedents of this wondrous channel if known??

Venu · Post by **Venu** » 28 Apr 2010 11:22

Vivek Raghuvanshi wrote:If the so called intelligent people knew she is working for ISI

Why not continue feeding her with wrong information and fool ISI into believing that she is their agent.

What did Counter Intel staff get for this catch:

Butter Chicken and Scotch Whiskey?

When Counter Intel team knows that one is working for ISI, what is the problem in maintaining DECEPTION?

Do you think our CI staff would not have got this idea? Why do you think they waited for 2-3 years to ascertain her mischief?

One probable reason might be, the CI is already using her to pass wrong info. to ISI. TSP might have realized that her cover is already blown and the she is being used as a conduit by CI to pass incorrect info. to them and so stopped feeding her. There is no use to still bear with her as she is no longer useful and has to be paid for her treason and esteemed service to ISI. Hence the request for her to facilitate SAARC from India. Got it? JMT though.

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Apr 2010 11:24

ASPuar wrote:MK Dhar made that statement. I believe he meant 6-7 months. Anyway, hes been retired a long time, and he was never IB chief, he was an IG level officer. If he knows something that others dont because of his friendship with serving officers, he should keep it to himself rather than going to town on TV.

Dhar also was naming all the hotels in Nepal Indian intel had under surveillance, places where we had safehouses etc in the WEEK article also!!!

Vivek Raghuvanshi · Post by **Vivek Raghuvanshi** » 28 Apr 2010 11:29

In the Intel game, it is highly recommended that once we know that one is working for Pakistan, maintain DECEPTION and feed information what we want to feed.

The intelligent people in India are so desperate for Butter Chicken and Scotch Whiskey that even when they catch a terrorist cell, instantly they have to wag their tail in front of the Media for titbits of butter chicken / scotch whiskey

When a terrorist / insurgent is caught, why publicize and let other terrorists / insurgents know that their person has been caught.

Even if this woman was a agent, WHY ADVERTISE in Media?

Vivek Raghuvanshi · Post by **Vivek Raghuvanshi** » 28 Apr 2010 11:32

Nepal anyways is a ISI and 2nd Bureau playground.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Apr 2010 11:39

Guys cut out mud slinging and wait for more info to develop.