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menon s · Post by **menon s** » 24 Jan 2011 01:26

One cannot imagine to what extent common sense enrages certain people.
Should patriotism be a forced feeling?

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 24 Jan 2011 01:47

menon s wrote:One cannot imagine to what extent common sense enrages certain people.

I agree with this statement.
It is very surprisisng that despite given the facts and common sense some dont have the sense to understand the issue.
they continue to rave and rant without any basis.
They colour themselves blind.
They are useful idiots if I am permitted to say. At least to me because of these people I had to dig in and search extensively on google to learn more about the prevailing issues and not get bogged down to sophistry and language skills which I am poor at.

I have had experience with my smallish circle with fair sprinkling of leftists who do not have common sense. when some sense is drilled they get enraged and shoot and scoot like rats.

I repeat this which is quoted often--
the eyes do not see what the mind does not want to know.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 24 Jan 2011 01:51

One cannot imagine to what extent common sense enrages certain people.
Should patriotism be a forced feeling?

I am sorry Menon, but all these non-common sensical people did not read the article where BJP came to house with guns, hauled up all the people, took children as hostages and forced Kashmiris to attend this flag hoisting.

Can you please repost that article for these people without common sense?

archan · Post by **archan** » 24 Jan 2011 01:55

I will say this again, menon s, calm down. You can post your POV without the frothing from your mouth... err keyboard.

archan · Post by **archan** » 24 Jan 2011 01:57

menon s wrote: Forget it i do not want to educate you, about Punjabi narcissism.

I gave you a day to post a source that is non-paki. As per my earlier promise, an official warning follows.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 24 Jan 2011 02:03

ravi_ku wrote:
One cannot imagine to what extent common sense enrages certain people.
Should patriotism be a forced feeling?
I am sorry Menon, but all these non-common sensical people did not read the article where BJP came to house with guns, hauled up all the people, took children as hostages and forced Kashmiris to attend this flag hoisting.

Can you please repost that article for these people without common sense?

Ravi, dont you agree that, Kashmir is ,more about religion than nationalism?

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 24 Jan 2011 02:16

menon s wrote: Ravi, dont you agree that, Kashmir is ,more about religion than nationalism?

menon,

all I will say is stay on one logic and stick to it. Apply your logic to all instances.
Dont use religion when it suits you, next line kashmiriyat, next line human rights, next line hindu extremism, next line poverty and so on.
It doesnt exclude you from doing that, but there has to be an explanation why the usual logic doesnt apply.

These are the logic gaps which gives an enormous credibility gap.

Eg: In this very thread, somebody was talking about how Kashmiris are peaceful and sufis. But when we extend this comment to pandits ethnic cleansing, I see more turns in logic than in prabhu deva's dance.

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 24 Jan 2011 02:45

I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and calm down..

Viv s, menon, Somnath

Its OK to disagree with whatever right wing forces want to do in J&K or anywhere else for that matter, the question is, what should the response of the state be to something that the state finds disagreeable.

Should it be to hijack a train by subterfuge at night?

or Should it be to say, yeah, we disagree with you, but you are exercising a constitutionally guaranteed right and we will protect that right, at all public places in India.

This train hijack is truly a shameful episode in the history of governance by the Indira Congress.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 24 Jan 2011 02:58

sudeepj,
Good post sir. Thank you. You are crystal clear. I can go along on that, contention, which is non partisan.
My final views on the subject.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 24 Jan 2011 03:01

sudeepj wrote:I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and calm down..

Viv s, menon, Somnath

Its OK to disagree with whatever right wing forces want to do in J&K or anywhere else for that matter, the question is, what should the response of the state be to something that the state finds disagreeable.

Should it be to hijack a train by subterfuge at night?

or Should it be to say, yeah, we disagree with you, but you are exercising a constitutionally guaranteed right and we will protect that right, at all public places in India.

This train hijack is truly a shameful episode in the history of governance by the Indira Congress.

clarification on the use of right wing forces.
Is it
1) right wing = hindu forces ( per the DDM and non BJP parties definition/actions ) or
2) right wing = if related to religion ----- then the actions of all parties( BJP & non BJP including commies) are right wing.

please edit it accordingly or explain any alternative meanings.

of course any discussion would be OT here.

arjunm · Post by **arjunm** » 24 Jan 2011 03:02

Can some worthies explain this Shi*? Are we living in democratic society or a fascist ruled nation ?

Trainload of Valley-bound flag hoisters taken for a Ride

Even as the war of words over the BJP’s plan to hoist the national flag at Srinagar’s Lal Chowk on January 26 grew shriller on Sunday, the railway administration tricked a trainload of BJP youth activists travelling to Kashmir to take part in ceremony into returning home.
Jammu-bound train from Bangalore carrying around 2,000 Bharatiya Janata Yuva Morcha (BJYM) — the BJP’s youth wing — activists halted at Sakola in Maharashtra’s Ahmednagar district around 2am on Sunday, railway officials blacked out the entire station.
Under cover of darkness they detached the train’s engine from the first coach and transferred it to the train’s rear through other tracks, attaching it to the last coach instead. The train departed without the activists realising what had happened.
It was only when the train reached the next station, Akkalkot on the Maharashtra-Karnataka border that the activists figured out that they were heading back home.

The furious youth activists blocked the tracks for more than five hours at Akkalkot but were finally persuaded to let the train return to Bangalore.

The flag-hoisting is planned as a culmination of the BJYM’s Tiranga Yatra that began from Kolkata on January 12. While J&K chief minister Omar Abdullah has vowed to prevent the flag-hoisting — claiming it would needlessly provoke the separatists — Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Saturday appealed against it, saying Republic Day should not be used to promote divisive agendas.

In response, BJP leader Arun Jaitley said, “It is a matter of national regret that the PM should regard the hoisting of the national flag as something which could be considered divisive or provocative.”

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Trainload ... rticle1-65

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 24 Jan 2011 03:06

^^^^
This will bring home the message to the ordinary folks that we cannot even unfurl our flag in lal chowk under present dispensation.
It is getting wider publicity than expected.
More Indians are slowly getting to know about it, despite the media blackout.
Initially many did not know about this train. Now many more will come to know.

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 24 Jan 2011 03:20

Hoist the flag already!

Its our country!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Jan 2011 03:25

This thread should not have history of homo sapiens and the leftist interpretations of what is superstitions and such subjects. This is beyond the topic of this thread.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 24 Jan 2011 03:30

Hitchens is missing the obvious idea about political goals in this case. Perhaps he should consider that the USA was 30% ethnic German when the two countries went to war in WWII.

archan · Post by **archan** » 24 Jan 2011 03:36

menon s, your response has been moved to the OT thread. If someone wants to comment on it, they will. I asked you to state your sources because you made a claim with an untrusted source as your back up. I have no personal interest in the issue.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 24 Jan 2011 03:47

Ok, guys I present to you some of the people whose sensibilities were offended.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bjps- ... ar/741200/

Dal Khalsa, a radical Sikh organisation, said the march would aggravate the already "volatile atmosphere in Kashmir".

The Ekta yatra was a gimmick by the saffron party, Dal Khalsa secretary Kanwar Pal said.

Now who is Dal Khalsa, from their own website.
http://www.dalkhalsa.com/AboutUs.html

I am appalled that BJP is hurting the sensibilities of these people.

This yatra is really bringing out all the chummies from their closets.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Jan 2011 03:52

VK Singh's reactions to GK Pillai.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbPVhOG-hek

First it was a different body language and in the second one he is cool and he clarified that probably GKP is talking about paramilitary forces.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 24 Jan 2011 03:57

BJYM members leave to attend Jammu rally
a few 1000s supporters from bihar also.
Looks like more are in the offing from other states also.
wonder how many will eventually turn out at jammu and get locked up in jails.
some may end at lal chowk police station or at the venue itself.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 24 Jan 2011 04:07

arjunm wrote:Can some worthies explain this Shi*? Are we living in democratic society or a fascist ruled nation ?

Trainload of Valley-bound flag hoisters taken for a Ride

This ruling cabal should hang its head in shame and resign immediately to restore decency to the much vaunted democracy. This is one step closer to declaring "EMERGENCY". Where are all the liberals who are silent and think it is alright to hoodwink people and hijack them? This shameful episode will go in annals of history as blackest period overseen by Mr.Clean.
Should citizens be bracing themselves for declaration of EMERGENCY ?

arjunm · Post by **arjunm** » 24 Jan 2011 04:25

JwalaMukhi wrote:
arjunm wrote:Can some worthies explain this Shi*? Are we living in democratic society or a fascist ruled nation ?

Trainload of Valley-bound flag hoisters taken for a Ride
This ruling cabal should hang its head in shame and resign immediately to restore decency to the much vaunted democracy. This is one step closer to declaring "EMERGENCY". Where are all the liberals who are silent and think it is alright to hoodwink people and hijack them? This shameful episode will go in annals of history as blackest period overseen by Mr.Clean.
Should citizens be bracing themselves for declaration of EMERGENCY ?

exactly. I am really appalled to see such display of criminal intent of disregarding all democratic norms to win political brownie points where as serious cause of concern regarding country's security exposed to a painful vulnerability from all fronts.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Jan 2011 05:09

some simple fundamentals - (I guess getting out of slam-BJP mode may help a bit

)
(1) We were hearing this land with no borders and joint managements stuff since UPA-1
(2) The statement in (1) was either called CT created by !@#!@$ to discredit MMS or some government's chankianism.
(3) But see the sequence of events and all of them point it as serious. Here is the sequence:
(a) Track - II goes on and Government neither denies not confirms - was some fancied CT and which is a truth now
(b) Government seriously tried to implement salient features of Track -II such as (i) Reduce troops (ii) free movement of people
(c) Government even discussed seriously making Siachen no troop land

There is serious disagreement within government especially on (b) and (c) and vehemently opposed by Army. In general norms, after strategic and security reports from relevant orgs, the government relents and quits these proposals.

However MMS persisted and seems to be still persisting and leaving no options for armed forces except to get out to media and every other avenue in telling their version. . We have seen passionate explanation by air chief and army chief and a continuous defence of what the needs of security are and how much of a stupidity the proposals are. He is not blunt like some of us here but very polished as his position demands. However, it is important to note that which other government really tourtured the armed forces as much as this goverment is doing? Do we have similar examples of Army chief making his oppostion to government postion so often in the past?

By the way, Pakis always help. Kasuri has made it a point to score points on Indian TV channels and put the Track-II out into open. The context was so close to BJP's ekta yatra. The government, the folks who get twists as soon a something being done by BJP should stop a moment and think through about what exactly is going regarding JK.

In my view nothing chanikyan is going on and what ever that is going is pure and simple gaddari. Period. I am sorry and I can't be politically correct anymore.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Jan 2011 05:30

I want to add one more thing. The government did not like Deepak Kapoor's over emphasis on cold start when the selloff is being negotiated. Hence the exposure via aadarsh scam. Land deals and favorotism are all part of Indian life and nothing new. It is only important to note who is being targeted for expose. Anti corruption drive.my foot.

Bhaskar · Post by **Bhaskar** » 24 Jan 2011 05:38

Neshant wrote:Hoist the flag already!

Its our country!

Whats wrong with hoisting the flag in our land? Whats the big fuss about? The media and the UPA government need to stop making this a big deal.

munna · Post by **munna** » 24 Jan 2011 05:42

Muppalla wrote:some simple fundamentals - (I guess getting out of slam-BJP mode may help a bit )
(1) We were hearing this land with no borders and joint managements stuff since UPA-1
(2) The statement in (1) was either called CT created by !@#!@$ to discredit MMS or some government's chankianism.
(3) But see the sequence of events and all of them point it as serious. Here is the sequence:
(a) Track - II goes on and Government neither denies not confirms - was some fancied CT and which is a truth now
(b) Government seriously tried to implement salient features of Track -II such as (i) Reduce troops (ii) free movement of people
(c) Government even discussed seriously making Siachen no troop land

Mupallaji one point, the stance of assorted media wingmen and civil society chaperones has made it clear that their primary aim is to maximize self patronage and the country may go to hell. BJP has taken a defiant stance and said " " to all these grandees who were actually big players in the smoke and mirrors track II process. Hence whatever they (media chaperones and wingmen) say counts for zero.

Here is the map of zone and of who stands where:

Jihadi and Khalistani organizations are openly siding with the stance of media chaperones and wingmen, the leftist Dilli establishment is allying with these, UPA sits silent like a sphinx on Kasuri's statement, OA is watching his dream of PM-ship (Kashmir) crumble, PM (India) has gone on to spar with opposition (LKA), Kashmiri Pandits have taken on the "electrocutors", HM tried to pre-empt BJP yatra and make it look reactionary by floating balloon of troops withdrawal and BJP is lietrally fighting the left, extreme left, red, foreign interests and the centre on this issue.

On the face of it the desperate tactics like returning the train and talks of use of force (somebody send Mr OA a memo that his grandaddu too fired at BJS workers during "Ek Desh Ek Vidhan yatra" lots of workers were killed and jailed, nobody is afraid of the use of "force") appear dastardly. However in coming days sarkar will have the time of its life trying to hard-sell the sell-out over Kashmir if they still persist with it. A rubicon has been crossed.

Meanwhile
PM giving in to separatists

"We completely reject the description of a peaceful assertion of nationalist sentiment as 'divisive' . The BJP will continue to uphold its right to hoist the national flag in all parts of the country. By trying to stall it, the Centre and state government have psychologically surrendered to the separartists," he said.

"When two people (referring to author Arundhati Roy and Hurriyat leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani) speak in New Delhi about the segregation of the (Jammu & Kashmir) territory, it passes off as a right to free expression. But when as an assertion of India's sovereignty, the national flag, is sought to be hoisted in Srinagar, it is dubbed as divisive," Jaitley said.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Jan 2011 06:03

Thanks munna ji. By the way do you have any info on the logistics and which routes from Punjab and HP the groups will enter JK for Jammu rally?

Here is some interesting perspective. Read thru and not throw it an another rant as he is talking about a resolution.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_go ... my_1498128

Holding that the Centre is "duty-bound" to unfurl the tricolour at Lal Chowk in Srinagar, Janata Party chief Subramanian Swamy today said central rule should be imposed in Jammu and Kashmir if the state government fails to cooperate in hoisting the national flag there.

"The UPA government is duty bound under the Transaction of Business Rules framed under the Constitution to officially unfurl the tricolour national flag at Lal Chowk in Srinagar, J&K," he said in a statement here.

He said a resolution to this effect was adopted by the cabinet committee on political affairs in January first week or thereabouts in 1991 when Chandrashekhar was prime minister and he was Union minister for law and justice and commerce.

"As a senior minister and member of CCPA, I had raised the issue in the CCPA because the VP Singh government had considered the matter and decided to discontinue the practice of unfurling the flag in Lal Chowk in 1990 as it might hurt the feelings of the people of the state.

"After hearing the service chiefs, the intelligence chiefs, and the cabinet secretary, Chandrashekhar had agreed with me and directed that it be resolved that the government unfurl the flag and the army defend it if there was any problem," Swamy said.

He said that then chief minister Farooq Abdullah "later concurred and cooperated in ensuring a peaceful unfurling of the tricolour national flag on January 26, 1991."

Maintaining that Lal Chowk is a historic place and not some "bazaar area" "as the present chief minister blandly and ignorantly states", he said, "I demand, therefore, that on January 26th the flag be unfurled, and if the state government does not cooperate in the unfurling, then central rule be declared in the state, and the army be handed the administration of the state".

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh yesterday stepped into the controversy over BJP's plan to hoist national flag in Srinagar on Republic Day saying the 'solemn occasion' should not be used to score 'political points' and appealed for maximum restraint in 'sensitive' Jammu and Kashmir.

The Omar Abdullah government has opposed the flag hoisting on the grounds that it will vitiate the atmosphere in the state.

The BJP reacted with shock and disappointment to the prime minister's disapproval of the plan accusing him of letting down the nation and said he will be emboldening separatists.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Jan 2011 06:22

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sudeepj wrote:
what should the response of the state be to something that the state finds disagreeable.

Why is the state disagreeable when it is the duty of the state to fulfill its constitutional responsibility

praksam · Post by **praksam** » 24 Jan 2011 06:22

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munna · Post by **munna** » 24 Jan 2011 06:25

Muppalla wrote:Thanks munna ji. By the way do you have any info on the logistics and which routes from Punjab and HP the groups will enter JK for Jammu rally?

His point is significant but expect the track-II wonders to drown it out but talking about "xyz actors third marriage". This yatra is a rearguard action to stall the watering down of Indian control over its territory.

Anyways regarding logistics ingress and other stuff, here is the story (not exactly hush hush stuff):

1) Yes apparently Mr OA has threatened use of "force" a euphemism for what his grand-daddu did in 1950s

2) Two states share a border with J&K viz Punjab and HP. Both have said precisely "

" to J&K state government's request for police and "force". The Punjab BJP legislative party chief and senior minister Manoranjan Kalia and HP CM Prem Dhumal have already taken on OA and MMS publicly. So they can expect no help or advance intelligence from Punjab or HP, all of the spade work is being done by central agencies and Haryana

3) The historic and symbolic bridge connecting Punjab and J&K at Lakhanpur has been effectively sealed (sholay filum style "parinda bhi par nahi...") by the JKP and CRPF. They are under instructions to escalate the force to "any" level and as per media chaperones this was conveyed to BJP leadership

4) HP routes are very cold and snowed out as of now so no idea what is possible from there. Himachalis know better at those higher passes and reaches!

Barring this all else must be a matter of whether or not the leadership of the BJP will consider that a point has been made. Personally I expect no fireworks if UPA is not in a mood to stir a hornets nest, a mobilization of this expanse has multiplier effect across nation. But then this initiative has frustrated some high and mighty folks of the land; crowds, frustrated ambitions of dynasts and nationalist youth constitutes one volatile mix. Let us see what tomorrow holds.....

EDIT:
My friends please approach the 26 th with far more equanimity, slogans are fine but keep the aim of national territorial integrity in mind. Yes the Biharis, Punjabis, Kannadas (some of them made it

), Assamese, Telugus, Gujaratis, Rajasthanis, Marathi, Arunachalis (they came too), Up-wallas and other states youth shall make a bid for Lal Chowk but do remember the odds they face. This is a longer battle and pretty soon we will have to force a declaration out of the gobermund on track II process and its linkage to fate of J&K on the floor of Lok Sabha.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Jan 2011 06:42

cross posting from GDF

ravi_ku wrote:http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/web1/11jan24/news.htm#4

State BJP leaders to discuss with them their proposed rally at Parade Ground on January 25. However, the BJP leaders didn’t turn up for the meeting.

The Deputy Commissioner has denied permission for holding the public meeting at Parade Ground to the BJP.

Sources said a strategy was in place at Samba, Jammu and Udhampur districts from where the BJP and BJYM activists could try to march towards Srinagar to hoist tricolor at Lal Chowk. All the BJP and BJYM leaders and activists trying to march towards Srinagar would be detained, they added

I am very pessimistic. I don't know if they can even do the Jammu rally.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Jan 2011 06:44

munna wrote:4) HP routes are very cold and snowed out as of now so no idea what is possible from there. Himachalis know better at those higher passes and reaches!

I have more faith in this

munna · Post by **munna** » 24 Jan 2011 06:46

Muppalla wrote:I am very pessimistic. I don't know if they can even do the Jammu rally.

You have a right to be Muppallaji! Ironically enough the power in Dilli and Srinagar is in the hands of the grand-generations of the men who oversaw the "unexplained" death of one Mr Mukherjee. I predict that battlefield will now shift to Lok Sabha unless somebody tries to be ambitious!

This Hindi report by Jagran says I am wrong in my prediction of a quiet end and the workers will seek a head off. Hmm

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तिरंगा यात्रा पर टकराव तय
जम्मू, जागरण न्यूज नेटवर्क : श्रीनगर के लाल चौक में तिरंगा फहराने को लेकर उमर अब्दुल्ला सरकार और भाजपा के बीच टकराव तय जान पड़ रहा है। तय कार्यक्रम के तहत तिरंगा यात्रा मंगलवार सुबह जम्मू में प्रवेश करेगी। लेकिन राज्य सरकार ने यात्रा को नाकाम करने के लिए सारी ताकत झोंक दी है। तिरंगा यात्रा को पंजाब के पठानकोट जिले से सटे जम्मू-कश्मीर के प्रवेश द्वार लखनपुर में ही रोकने की पूरी तैयारी है। लखनपुर बार्डर पर सीआरपीएफ की आठ व जम्मू-कश्मीर पुलिस की दो बटालियन सहित दंगा निरोधक दस्ता तैनात कर दिया गया है। इतना ही नहीं पूरे जम्मू शहर को एक तरह से छावनी में तब्दील कर दिया गया है। आठ हजार भाजपाई पहुंचे जम्मू : तिरंगा फहराने को अडिग भाजपा का कहना है कि दुनिया की कोई ताकत कार्यकर्ताओं को लाल चौक में तिरंगा फहराने से रोक नहीं सकती है। यात्रा प्रभारी सतीश शर्मा के अनुसार, आठ हजार के करीब कार्यकर्ता प्रशासन के प्रबंधों को नाकाम करते हुए जम्मू पहुंच गए हैं। उन्हें लोगों के घरों में ठहराया गया है। शर्मा का कहना था कि दूसरे राज्यों से भाजपा कार्यकर्ताओं के पहुंचना जारी है। घाटी जाने का सिलसिला दूसरे दिन भी रहा जारी : इसी प्रकार भाजपा कार्यकर्ताओं का घाटी जाने का सिलसिला दूसरे दिन भी जारी रहा। रविवार को एक सौ से ज्यादा कार्यकर्ता ऊधमपुर और रियासी से घाटी के लिए रवाना हुए। पुलिस ने भाजपाइयों को रोकने के लिए जगह-जगह नाके लगाकर वाहनों की तलाशी भी ली, लेकिन वह चकमा दे गए। अधिकतर कार्यकर्ता पर्यटक व आम यात्री के रूप में सूमो, टैंपो ट्रेवल से गए। भाजपाइयों के इस तरह लुक छिपकर घाटी रवाना होने से पुलिस की सिरदर्दी बढ़ गई है। सीमा सील : प्रशासन ने भाजपा को जम्मू में 25 जनवरी को रैली करने की इजाजत नहीं दी। अन्य राज्यों से लगते राज्य के बार्डर भी सील करने के साथ जम्मू डिवीजन के विभिन्न जिलों में भी नाकेबंदी तेज कर दी गई है। ताकि भाजपा कार्यकर्ता किसी भी कीमत पर श्रीनगर रवाना न पहुंच सकें। चप्पे-चप्पे पर पुलिस गश्त जारी : पुलिस ने जम्मू के प्रवेश द्वार कुंजवानी व जम्मू-श्रीनगर राष्ट्रीय राजमार्ग पर नगरोटा में विशेष नाके लगाए हैं। जम्मू शहर में भी स्थानीय पुलिस के अलावा केंद्रीय सुरक्षा बलों की दस अतिरिक्त कंपनियां तैनात की गई हैं। चप्पे-चप्पे पर पुलिस के जवानों की गश्त जारी है। यात्री वाहनों को जम्मू आने से रोक दिया गया। श्री माता वैष्णो देवी स्थापना बोर्ड के वैष्णवी धाम, बैंक्वेट हालों में लोगों के ठहरने के लिए की गई बुकिंग रद कर दी गई है। इसके साथ होटलों पर जोर डाला जा रहा है कि फिलहाल बुकिंग न की जाए।

PS: Friends who do not read Hindi, it is tough for me to translate the entire article kindly use Google Translate.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Jan 2011 07:05

So they are pressing for a fight with 8000 folks already reaching Jammu and living is various houses as guests.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 24 Jan 2011 07:12

Oh you should be seeing OA's taunts on twitter

Loves how the people making the MOST noise here about hoisting the Tricolour in Lal Chowk do so from the comfort & security of their homes.

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 24 Jan 2011 08:02

It will truly be a mad day in hell, if the CPRF/Army/State police actually starts lathi charging people who are trying to hoist the Indian national flag and that too on Independence day. When was the last time that this happened?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 24 Jan 2011 08:06

menon s wrote:BJP talks as if the Indian national flag is not unfurled anywhere in Kashmir! Come 26th it is unfurled at the Bhakshi stadium? Why are people ignorant about that?

My friend,

What is this logic?

Just because ABV started talks with Hijbul, BJP should not hoist Indian flag? Just because Yeddi is corrupt BJP should cease to be a political party?

Your god-man Al-braman called this very forum a hindutva forum, that is his level of comprehension.

Even if one takes your line of logic, then INC (the creater of Jk issue and loser of 1962, beneficier of countless scams) or NC (remember the rigged elections that started current Jk terrorism) have any moral right to even comment about Tiranga and BjP agenda. Less said about the leftists and other so-called secular parties the better.

praksam · Post by **praksam** » 24 Jan 2011 08:07

छत्तीसगढ़ और कर्णाटक के युवा मोर्चा यात्रिओ पर रायपुर और सारोला मे ममता माई और सोनिया ताई ने लगा दिया अड़बंगा,
देख लेना दुश्मन-ए-वतन..लाल-चौक पर २६ जनवरी को ज़रूर फेहरेगा तिरंगा..!!!जय-हिंद!!!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jan 2011 08:14

For sake of forum member please post a two line gist of non English quotes.

Thanks, ramana

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Jan 2011 08:19

I guess the Second Jalianwala Bagh will be on 26th 2011, done by Congress/OA/PSers,Die/ Islamists and all others eating the salt of soil but worshipping alien ideological gods. It will be known in the history as Jammuwala Bagh.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 24 Jan 2011 08:28

Punjab refuses to help Jammu administration

Four thousand Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF), Jammu and Kashmir police and Haryana police personnel(40 companies) beside two platoons of lady constables have been stationed in full battle dress in Kathua district and will take positions at Lakhanpur on Jammu-Punjab border tomorrow evening to stop BJYM’s ‘Ekta Yatra’ at the gateway of Jammu and Kashmir "come what may". All routes leading from Punjab and Himachal Pradesh to Kathua, which skipped Lakhanpur, including from Bani, Basohli and Billawar have also been completely sealed.

However, the Punjab officials flatly refused to oblige the officials of Kathua on the ground that they were under instructions from the Punjab Government to allow peaceful rally at Madhopur on January 25 and then let the yatra move towards Jammu. It may be mentioned that BJP is a coalition partner along with Shiromani Akali Dal in Punjab Government.

Lakhanpur was divided into 7 sectors, each headed by a DySP. Twenty four gates have been installed at Lakhanpur. Riot control, water canon and teargas vehicles have moved into the town. No vehicle would be allowed to enter Lakhanpur from tomorrow morning. Prohibitory orders under Section 144 CrPC have been imposed in Kathua district by the District Magistrate while similar restrictions are being imposed in Samba and Jammu districts tomorrow. Depending upon the situation, the prohibitory orders could also be clamped in Udhampur district.

Sources said the authorities were in dilemma as how to check the arrival of BJYM workers from the trains. A Guest House has been kept as a stand-by jail to keep the BJYM leaders while the workers will be lodged in District Police Lines (DPL), Kathua. Intelligence agencies have reports that since both the neighbouring States of Himachal Pradesh and Punjab are ruled by BJP along with their ally, a large number of people would gather at Madhopur especially from Himachal as Anurag Thakur happened to be MP of the State and son of Chief Minister Prem Kumar Dhumal.