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shiv wrote: Roperia. +20 to your humility and ability to accept an error

Nandu wrote: WTF is wrong with these people, both the Pakis and the white Brits?

Roperia wrote:
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I take my words back. How could I forget that Paki media is run by Pakis and they are only good at making Khayali Pulao

arun wrote:Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religious inspired blood-letting in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country that claims it is an Ideological Muslim State and Safe haven for the Mohammaddensof the Indian sub-Continent .

‘Sectarian’ target killings? : Deobandi leader gunned down in busy street

KLNMurthy wrote:
No one can make sense of you SDRE Yindoos. You have no ghairat that's why you are recanting in the face of facts...

Altair wrote:

Nandu wrote: WTF is wrong with these people, both the Pakis and the white Brits?

Frankly, they deserve each other and they both know it but they find it difficult to accept it in the face.
Just visit Thailand and Cambodia to see the number of British people there looking for girls in the age group of 10-14.
When caught they are deported, NO criminal charges "hold" against a gora. They visit those countries with an air tight escape plan already in place.
Pakis are just returning the favor to those Brits by "playing" with their daughters in their own house.
Karma is a biatchh!

Lisa wrote:You are wrong in your supposition. It is a criminal offence in the UK to
commit a sex act against a minor in a foreign country. The jurisdiction of
the said act is deemed to run globally. There is no escape.

Lisa wrote: You are wrong in your supposition..... There is no escape.

Nato invites Pakistani president to summit after FM suggests unblocking Afghan supply routes.

Shonu wrote:

Lisa wrote:You are wrong in your supposition. It is a criminal offence in the UK to
commit a sex act against a minor in a foreign country. The jurisdiction of
the said act is deemed to run globally. There is no escape.

And yet, I dont read of many being prosecuted for such acts in those countries. Pray explain. I've heard of being being prosecuted and jailed for drug related crimes, but not the former.

Extra-territorial legislation allows the UK to prosecute individuals even when the offence is not committed on home territory and allows perpetrators who return to the UK to be charged when there has been no arrest by other jurisdictions. Prosecution and investigation in countries where the offence occurs often fail to take place because of an inability or unwillingness by local authorities to follow up cases involving foreigners. Extra-territorial legislation should serve to deter individuals who travel overseas with the intention to sexually abuse children, as they effectively face the threat of prosecution in the destination country or in the UK. However, this type of prosecution is rare and lessons from individual cases are not readily shared between statutory agencies or used as material for prevention and awareness raising activities. The UK government is not even able to put a figure on the number of prosecutions under extra-territorial legislation when asked by parliament. 21

Prosecuting offenders who have committed crimes abroad requires effective co-operation between authorities from different jurisdictions. Differing resources, languages and investigative methods frequently hinder co-operation and more informal routes often open up better co-operation than formal mutual legal assistance processes that can be hindered by bureaucratic obstacles. Investigators need to acquire evidence from the foreign jurisdiction that can stand up to UK court standards and the international success stories show that part of that success comes from understanding the local context, including the key role of non-government organisations (NGOs) who fill the vacuum in investigations and victim support when poor, corrupt or fractured governments do not. This can be a challenge for British authorities who are used to dealing with government rather than non-government agencies but it is now common practice for governments including the USA, Sweden and Australia to work closely alongside specialist NGOs, including exchanging intelligence and surveillance to support an extra-territorial investigation. This is especially true when obtaining evidence from child witnesses who should always receive the same considerations for protection as they would in the UK even if the local authority structures are weak.

brihaspati wrote:OT: but here is the ECPAT 2011 finding on this, and Lisa ji is correct - the law exists, but on the other hand is usually not implemented [out of necessity and perhaps something more].

Shonu wrote:

Lisa wrote:You are wrong in your supposition. It is a criminal offence in the UK to
commit a sex act against a minor in a foreign country. The jurisdiction of
the said act is deemed to run globally. There is no escape.

And yet, I dont read of many being prosecuted for such acts in those countries. Pray explain. I've heard of being being prosecuted and jailed for drug related crimes, but not the former.

anupmisra wrote:Breaking News! Capitulation.

Nato invites Zardari to Chicago summit

Nato invites Pakistani president to summit after FM suggests unblocking Afghan supply routes.

All that H&D, flushed down the toilet. Jeeehard!

Aditya_V wrote:Zardari is toast now. Wonder whether it will be Khar or Dus percenti who are the scapeboat. GHQ Khakis and Nawaz non sharif must be laughing now.

Altair wrote:

Nandu wrote: WTF is wrong with these people, both the Pakis and the white Brits?

Frankly, they deserve each other and they both know it but they find it difficult to accept it in the face.
Just visit Thailand and Cambodia to see the number of British people there looking for girls in the age group of 10-14.
When caught they are deported, NO criminal charges "hold" against a gora. They visit those countries with an air tight escape plan already in place.
Pakis are just returning the favor to those Brits by "playing" with their daughters in their own house.
Karma is a biatchh!

KLNMurthy wrote:

anupmisra wrote:Breaking News! Capitulation.

Actually, not being invited to the summit would have been worse for H&D. NATO read the pakis correctly.

Aditya_V wrote:Zardari is toast now. Wonder whether it will be Khar or Dus percenti who are the scapeboat. GHQ Khakis and Nawaz non sharif must be laughing now.

anupmisra wrote:Breaking News! Capitulation.

Nato invites Zardari to Chicago summit

Nato invites Pakistani president to summit after FM suggests unblocking Afghan supply routes.

All that H&D, flushed down the toilet. Jeeehard!

RCase wrote:Somehow, I get the feeling that this blocking of NATO supplies is a bunch of hogwash meant for domestic Paki consumption.

Nandu wrote:partha, I agree that civvies look like they marginally have the upper hand now.

Kiyani might be the first Paki general to lose a war against the damn civilians.

partha wrote:

Nandu wrote:partha, I agree that civvies look like they marginally have the upper hand now.

Kiyani might be the first Paki general to lose a war against the damn civilians.

No Sir, I think Kayani won the war already!

have for a long time carried an image, that over time became a sort of a daydream, in which I see myself standing in a row on a roadside waving two small flags while a jubilant procession of people passes by. The procession is from India but it doesn’t have Manmohans or Zardaris neither does it have Khans or Kapurs. They are instead common faces – very colorful and cheery though, the dancing and singing types waving in return to the crowd that for some reason values a glimpse of this troupe with no claim to fame. A psychologist might diagnose me with some condition with a difficult to pronounce (but impressive) name. But since I am an India-Pakistan dove, that is probably how I visualise, in contrast to verbalising, an event that would one day herald peace between India and Pakistan.
The dream again visited me recently and this time with some stranger improvisations. That air of jubilation, that queer sparkle – went missing and instead I found a weirdly solemn expression writ large on the face of the crowd. And my God, the procession was not the same either. Buses were replaced by trucks and those cheery dancing, singing faces by grim looking baniyas. did not borrow this image of a baniya from texts. It is not bookish at all. The image, in fact, was painted over centuries with each stroke of it representing my own painful experiences. It only got worse when the Raj decided to side with him and made agricultural land an exchangeable, or foreclosable, commodity. The ruthless market economy had already jolted my average villager whose economy was rooted deep into the subsistence slumber. As he frantically struggled to cope, the baniya pulled the land from under him. The simmering hate boiled over into rage and fury.

My later day text books some how managed to transform this deep-etched image of a baniya into a relief of a Hindu which then went on to be hung as a picture title ‘an Indian’. Have you ever watched the Independence Day play in your neighborhood school? Please do, the next time you get an opportunity. A boy dressed in a dhotee, with no top or maybe a vest and a shiny bald head but with a small head of hair dangling funnily on one side of the skull represents India. He has a shrewd smile on his face and his character personifies callousness and insensitivity. He is a traitor who ditches poor Muslims to side with an oppressive white man. It is a theatrical rendering of the narrative: all Indians are Hindus and all Hindus are baniyas. No need to add that baniyas are abhorring creatures.Persons like me had to make efforts to de-educate themselves and unlearn the most important of their political lessons. I wrote in my homework copy a million times – all Indians are not Hindus and all Hindus are not baniyas. I waited for years standing on the road side to welcome Indians or Hindus and what I now see is a procession of baniyas riding triumphantly a train of trucks crackling under the load of sacks of don’t know what as Haji sahebs and Mian jees frantically push their way through the crowd of daily wagers to have the maiden glimpse of – the merchandise, they have received from across the border.

Jhujar wrote:http://dawn.com/2012/05/15/a-baniya-in-my-backyard/
A baniya in my backyard

KLNMurthy wrote:Now that TSP scored a victory over NATO and graciously begrudgingly allowed them to invite Zardari to Chicago.....

Shonu wrote:

Lisa wrote:You are wrong in your supposition. It is a criminal offence in the UK to
commit a sex act against a minor in a foreign country. The jurisdiction of
the said act is deemed to run globally. There is no escape.

And yet, I dont read of many being prosecuted for such acts in those countries. Pray explain. I've heard of being being prosecuted and jailed for drug related crimes, but not the former.

Jhujar wrote: I wrote in my homework copy a million times – all Indians are not Hindus and all Hindus are not baniyas.

Sudip wrote:Pretty neutral description of Kargil War by Najam Sethi

RCase wrote:Even when they condemn the adventurism of Mushy and the gang of four, there is never overall condemnation that in this day and age it is NOT OK to invade another country and alter the boundaries.

nachiket wrote:This statement is telling. So this India-Pakistan "dove" isn't really objecting to the stereotype of Hindus and "Baniyas" in pukistan. He is just taking heart from the fact that not all Indians are Hindus.

RCase wrote:Even though quite a few Pakistanis seem to show a liberal face and are saying Kargil was a debacle, etc. etc.; there are moments where these 'liberals' slip up and show their ingrained approval of using naked aggression and war to conquer and capture land from India.

Nandu wrote: Zardari and Gilani are still on the job, while Pasha is out. I wouldn't call that a decisive victory for the Khakis. We will see if they manage to install Imran.

Federal Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira on Tuesday said that meeting of the Defence Committee of the Cabinet (DCC) ended inconclusive and that final decision regarding resumption of Nato supplies will come after further consultations

“No final decision has been taken about re-opening of the Nato supply routes by the committee,”

Nato, earlier on Tuesday, invited Pakistan to key talks on the future of Afghanistan in Chicago next week as Islamabad signalled it was about to end a nearly six-month blockade on supply routes.

anupmisra wrote:
So the NATO evite was premature?