What irks me is that the US uses us. That is where we have not be able reverse it and use the US. Pakistan has followed its own interests with better success, till the recent past.Does India follow its own interests?YesSometimes
The bolded part is what amazed me! Our army had specific info about a Pak soldier in the area. That means our army has sources in Pak army or some awesome humint network along LoC or high level tech int (surveillance drones?) in the area.Poonch, Jammu & Kashmir:
A Pakistani soldier has been arrested by the Indian army in Kerni sector of Poonch district in Jammu and Kashmir.
Arif Ali, who belongs to the of 25 Frontier Force of the Pakistani army, was arrested at around 6 this morning. He is currently being questioned by army officials.
No weapons have been found in his possession.
Sources say the Army had specific information about the presence a Pakistani soldier in the area.
More details are awaited.
According to sources, he has told his interrogators that he was hoping for asylum in India. He has reportedly also told them that lack off basic amenities has led to frustration among his colleagues deployed along the Line of Control.
Mostly would be a good mix of all three points above..That means our army has sources in Pak army or some awesome humint network along LoC or high level tech int (surveillance drones?) in the area.
No Shiv, I understood all along. My lament is that India has been playing dead all the while. For all its sanctions, less than 10 years later, we have Amreekis signing a nuclear deal. Gaddafi gives up and is sent packing. This the language Amreekis understand - being bold, fearless and ready for the long haul . Pakis take out Americans through proxies. If Pakis can could do this what leverage did India build up against a) the Americans b) the Pakis. They had decades to work this out. Have we made something.... anything more painful for them.shiv wrote: Worlds no 1 enemy? Is that Pakistan or its ally, the USA? USA calls Pakistan an ally no? You are beating about the bush on that point. You need to get that sorted out. You have avoided that from the very first post. Why you are avoiding the fact that the USA is an ally of Pakistan and helping to arm Pakistan against India is something you do not want to comment on. As long as you avoid reality all your posts make perfect sense. If Pakistan and the USA have a fight that is the best thing that can happen. You want India to rescue the USA by bombing Pakistan? You are wrong. Let the USA pull out of Pakistan with its tail between its legs first.
What is this obsession with '8' for the More Pious ? It was also 8 at Multan a few days back.
In the early 1970s the US was in big trouble in Vietnam and voluntarily embraced Pakistan after 1979. India had been doing its darndest for a decade by cosying up to the USSR to the extent of supporting the USSR's intervention in Afghanistan. It was that intervention that the US paid Pakistan to fight, and funded the creation of the Taliban.Neela wrote: You are saying the USA helped Pakistan be what it is - I am saying why did we NOT threaten and hurt TSP to dissuade them from seeking Amreeki weapons . Relations between Amreekis and us weren't that rosy anyway in the 1970s and 1980s - what did we have to lose?
I got it. 8 * 9 = 72.SSridhar wrote:What is this obsession with '8' for the More Pious ? It was also 8 at Multan a few days back.
Hundreds of Pakistani families flew back to Pakistan as they were compelled to plead and complete the paperwork before the imposition of tougher immigration laws. Leading immigration lawyers have seen applications for spouse visas treble in the past week due to government's deadline that ended on Monday.
The mayor is Haroon Saleem. And as you guessed it is a proof of the old BRF adage " Jo La-whore mein ....."Gabriel works for Mountain Loop Express, a local online newspaper. Monday night, she received a big tip about the small town’s mayor.
“He was yelling at a woman and was saying some bad things like he was going to kill their family,” said Gabriel.
Mayor Saleem stood before a judge Tuesday to face allegations that he made threats toward a family member.
“It’s between Saleem’s sister, his niece and him,” said Saleem’s wife.
Police stepped in and arrested Saleem for investigation of domestic violence harassment. Saleem’s family said he is innocent, and they will prove it.
“I thought it was kind of funny in a sense after what just happened with his restaurant, you’d think he’d be a little better behaved,” said Grant.
Just across the street from Grant’s business on East Stanley Street, sits the cafe Mayo Saleem used to own before the landlord evicted him over a reported financial dispute. Residents also remember the very public clash between the mayor and the former police chief, which eventually led to a new police chief taking over.
“We don’t like this negative publicity about our town,” said Gabriel.
Pakistan's Supreme Court on Thursday set July 25 deadline for PM Raja Pervez Ashraf to approach Swiss authorities to reopen graft cases against President Asif Ali Zardari, triggering a fresh political crisis. . . . If the PM failed to do so, the court will take appropriate action under the constitution against him, the bench warned.
This one is the bestRKumar wrote:Thanks to asian defense blog
symbolism everywhere...The TSP CJP has already hinted what he would do. He has said that Constitution (i.e. SC) is more supreme than the Legislature. A kind of Pious & More Pious cleavage ! The PA might become the arbiter again, but without taking over as they used to do before.venug wrote:SS garu, what can court do now, TSP's parliament has passed contempt bill where it is declared that ministers are immune to contempt of court?
I totally disagree, when Pakis population in UK and USA were non existant, these 2 Govts could happily sponsor all thier activities in the SUbcontinent. only when thier societies are exposed to Pakistanyat is there pressure on thier Govt's to behave responsibly. I would make the population 5% Pakis so that they are repetedly reminded about Pakistaniyat not to support themRajeshA wrote:High time that all doors are closed for Pakis! They should know that they will all go under, if there is war between India and Pakistan!
True!! I am only comparing all the super powers in history with the current one.by Shiv
It is your right to say this and believe in it. But to say it you also have to believe the history that you have been taught. The history you have been taught ignores all older civilizations in favour of declaring the current dominant power as the best. If you had to face punishment from that power you would not be singing its praises. You are human and you praise the side you have joined, the side that has let you join. Not the side that gets punishment.
Even despots can call themselves the "best". Only history can make that decision. You may say it and you may believe it. But you may be wrong. Your viewpoint is relative to your personal situation, not absolute, and certainly not mine.
hmmmmmmm. Severe diplomatic ties for bringing a terrorist to justice!!! Thats not the precedence MMS has set so far, isnt he? He should start CBM with Denmark, send loads and loads of dossiers, invite Danish PM over cricket match, assess whether we can concede some indian territory to them. Give them electricity...wait they have it in ample, then buy energy from them on extraaa premium rate.Upset over Copenhagen's refusal to act on New Delhi's consistent request to appeal in their apex court to facilitate Davy's extradition to India, government has issued a circular directing all senior officials not to meet or entertain any Danish diplomat posted in India.
"It is against all civilised norms to harbour a terrorist. Despite being a signatory to many UN conventions, Denmark refused to act against the prime accused in the Purulia arms drop case," a senior government official said.
This is an interesting illustration of the history books you read.SBajwa wrote: Alexandar, Genghis Khan, Tamurlame, Islamic Khalifas, Chinese emperors, Mughals, Brits, etc.
^^^^^shiv wrote:In the early 1970s the US was in big trouble in Vietnam and voluntarily embraced Pakistan after 1979. India had been doing its darndest for a decade by cosying up to the USSR to the extent of supporting the USSR's intervention in Afghanistan. It was that intervention that the US paid Pakistan to fight, and funded the creation of the Taliban.Neela wrote: You are saying the USA helped Pakistan be what it is - I am saying why did we NOT threaten and hurt TSP to dissuade them from seeking Amreeki weapons . Relations between Amreekis and us weren't that rosy anyway in the 1970s and 1980s - what did we have to lose?
You did say that Pakistan is putting up a fight. Now take that statement back to its historic origin. Pakistan is fighting because the US fully supported Pakistan and the Taliban. Pakistan supported the Taliban in the 1980s. Pakistan still supports the Taliban. It is only the US that has switched sides.
Now look at the facts:
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Other Western countries adopted a more ambivalent position. In Switzerland the Swiss-South African Association lobbied on behalf of the South African government and in the 1980s, both the Reagan and Thatcher administrations, in the USA and UK respectively, followed a 'constructive engagement' policy with the apartheid government, vetoing the imposition of UN economic sanctions on South Africa, justified by a belief in free trade and a vision of South Africa as a bastion against Marxist forces in Southern Africa. Thatcher declared the ANC a terrorist organisation,[93] and in 1987 her spokesman, Bernard Ingham, famously said that anyone who believed that the ANC would ever form the government of South Africa was "living in cloud cuckoo land".[94]
SSridhar wrote:What is this obsession with '8' for the More Pious ? It was also 8 at Multan a few days back.
"The casualties were minimum. I am in favour of all wars being like the war between India and Portugal -- peaceful and quickly over!" - J. K. Galbraith, former US ambassador to India"
China
In an official statement, released long after the action in Goa, Peking stressed the support of the Chinese government for the struggle of the people of Asia, Africa and Latin America against "imperialist colonialism". China neither condemned nor applauded the invasion, despite Portuguese rule of Macau, as at the time, it was enjoying cordial relations with India, although the Sino-Indian War would begin only months later.
Pakistan
In a letter to the US President on 2 January 1962, the Pakistani President General Ayub Khan stated: “My Dear President, The forcible taking of Goa by India has demonstrated what we in Pakistan have never had any illusions about--that India would not hesitate to attack if it were in her interest to do so and if she felt that the other side was too weak to resist.
ahaa, India being the bigger country should be mindful of others interest and in the name of bhaichara should vacate or atleast open up the passage into various air-routes into the country to allow more incursions.abhijitm wrote:Purulia case: India to scale down diplomatic ties with Denmarkhmmmmmmm. Severe diplomatic ties for bringing a terrorist to justice!!! Thats not the precedence MMS has set so far, isnt he? He should start CBM with Denmark, send loads and loads of dossiers, invite Danish PM over cricket match, assess whether we can concede some indian territory to them. Give them electricity...wait they have it in ample, then buy energy from them on extraaa premium rate.Upset over Copenhagen's refusal to act on New Delhi's consistent request to appeal in their apex court to facilitate Davy's extradition to India, government has issued a circular directing all senior officials not to meet or entertain any Danish diplomat posted in India.
"It is against all civilised norms to harbour a terrorist. Despite being a signatory to many UN conventions, Denmark refused to act against the prime accused in the Purulia arms drop case," a senior government official said.
After this news I am now doubly sure that MMS doesn't want to bring 26/11 perpetrators to justice.
That is throwing a dosa, in hard binding.issued a circular directing all senior officials not to meet or entertain any Danish diplomat posted in India
Saeed contested that the way the British prime minister lives is ‘truly Islamic’ and follow the guidelines enshrined in the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH).
PESHAWAR, Pakistan (Reuters) - Dozens of militants from Afghanistan crossed the border into Pakistan and attacked a village on Thursday, Pakistani military officials said, an incident likely to increase tensions between Islamabad and Kabul.
Eleven militants were killed in the skirmish, which lasted several hours, in the tribal region of Bajaur, officials said, and two Pakistani soldiers were wounded.Local military officials said the militants took up positions in the village of Katkot in the Mamund area, and retreated after Pakistani forces brought in reinforcements.Bajaur is one of the Pashtun tribal regions near the Afghan border. The Pakistan military has mounted recent offensives there against the al Qaeda-linked Pakistani Taliban, which is considered Pakistan's biggest security threat.
In one Din, SEVEN sent to Heaven,Eight arrived at Gate,NINE Claiming Al Hoors Mine .Police on Thursday found the bodies of seven coal miners who were kidnapped last week in Pakistan's insurgency-torn southwestern province of Baluchistan, officials said.
The miners were abducted on July 7 in the Soorang area, 25 kilometres (16 miles) east of the provincial capital Quetta, and their bullet-ridden bodies were found dumped on a roadside in the hills of nearby Degari, administration official Zafar Bokhari told AFP.The Baluchistan Liberation Army, which is fighting for independence
from the federal government, had claimed responsibility for their kidnapping but there was no claim for their deaths, Bokhari said.The miners were from the Swat valley, which is part of the northwestern province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, he added.Local police said the miners had been shot dead overnight
http://dawn.com/2012/07/12/stories-of-f ... -devotion/we were making our respective drinks, one of my friends noticed a small sticker on the wall right behind him. It said (in Urdu): ‘Bombing dance parties (sic), whipping drunkards and killing dancers was the duty of every Muslim.’Taken-aback a bit but tipsy, we decided to ask the waiter about the sticker.
‘Bhai jaan, will you flog us?’ One of my friends asked the waiter in jest.‘Jee? (What?)’ The waiter asked, confused.My friend pointed at the sticker: ‘Did you put that on the wall?’‘Oh, that. No, no,’ the waiter smiled. ‘That was put by some guys belonging to some party who were having food here a while ago.’
Sharma ji, Actually SBajwaji is somewhat right because when you start looking at the track record of previous superpowers like Britain,Germans,Japanese,Turks,Russia,Ghengiz Khan etc America starts looking like a saint.Atleast relatively.And yes it has contributed a lot to the world through many innovations.abhishek_sharma wrote:When I read such comments, I wonder whether you have read any post (posted here) in last 6 years.SBajwa wrote: Never ever in human history we have had such benign power who police the world around for right causes i.e. righteousness (Dharma).
I mean, how can someone be so delusional?
OT but India has to learn / relearn how to play this game and it takes time. We have many wise heads on our side but also vast arrays of fools.rajanb wrote:Roperia
A logical analysis based but dependent wholly on what is in the public domain.
What irks me is that the US uses us. That is where we have not be able reverse it and use the US. Pakistan has followed its own interests with better success, till the recent past.Does India follow its own interests?YesSometimes
