Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

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And it is back to business as usual. No extension in ceasefire, war to start again- TTP commander (Head Cheese).
The proscribed Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) commander in Mohmand Agency, Khalid Omar Khorasani Wednesday said the TTP has not announced an extension in the ceasefire and that the war will start again.
Khalid Khorasani claimed that the government had breached its promise during the period of ceasefire and held the state, military and political parties responsible for ‘the losses suffered’.
Khorasani? Isn't that the direction from where the new Mahdi will emerge? AoA!
On Pakistan cricket team’s recent defeat against Bangladesh in World Twenty20, he said ‘Allah has always let this nation cry without a break’.
Head cheese has spoken!
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There is no possibility of salvation for the pakis in this century. Ever. Musharraf was lured with secret deal to go on 5-year exile: Kasuri
Ahmed Raza Kasuri, counsel of former president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf, Wednesday claimed that an attempt had been made to lure his client with a secret deal to stay away from the country for a period of five years.
President Pervez Musharraf was offered to sign a 5-year bond and not return (till the date of its or his expiration)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_A._Khan
Sami Ahmad Khan (Age 28) is an Indian author based in Delhi. His first novel, Red Jihad: Battle for South Asia (Rupa & Co., 2012),[1] was a military thriller praised for its prescient story line that fictionalized the Maoist-Mujahideen nexus in the Indian Red corridor.[2] Khan has been called "our own Robert Ludlum and Frederick Forsyth" by the Indian magazine Businessworld.[3] The Millennium Post also saw Khan as "bringing Tom Clancy and Robert Ludlum to the streets of Delhi".[4]
Background

Khan read Literature at Hindu College and Rajdhani College, University of Delhi. He completed his master’s in English at Jawaharlal Nehru University and then attended University of Iowa on a Fulbright grant.
Seems this guy is being "groomed" for RNI publishing houses.
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fiction won't get him anywhere...

write using obscure allegories and unintelligible mumbo jumbo in some documentary style with the right angles thrown in, and snag a pulitzer price...pick some cause and start the dharna stuff and snag a magsasay award.

then you can have a career and get money all life without doing a honest day's work.
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(Please excuse the OT)

About Red Jihad.. I remember coming across this fictional Indian ICBM "pralay" first in Gen Paddy's book "Writing on the wall".. mentioned as "pralaya" there..

Is it one of the names being floated by the Indian strategic community for the indian ICBM? Personally I think India would never give a name to a weapon that literally means utter destruction..
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anupmisra wrote:There is no possibility of salvation for the pakis in this century. Ever. Musharraf was lured with secret deal to go on 5-year exile: Kasuri
The Special Court bench hearing the treason case against the former military ruler, General (retd) Pervez Musharraf, had convicted him on five counts on Monday (March 31, 2014).
I thought he was only charged, not convicted, or is this yet another case of Pakis having better English knowledge than us SDREs?
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BREAKING NEWS
shoulder shooting at Fort Hood Texas.
Four dead, 14 injured at Ft. Hood, Texas congressman says
By Alan Zarembo, Matt Pearce and Paresh Dave


KILLEEN, Texas — Authorities are investigating a shooting at Ft. Hood that left four people dead and 14 others injured, according to a Texas congressman. The sprawling military base was on lockdown as investigators tried to determine whether there was a second gunman.


Officials at Ft. Hood said they have received an initial report that a shooter at the base was dead. But McCaul said the shooter was among four who are dead. In an interview with CNN, he described the shooting as "soldier on soldier" and said terrorism was not suspected.

Ft. Hood's Directorate of Emergency Services said that injured personnel were being transported to Carl R. Darnall Medical Center and other hospitals. Numerous law enforcement agencies are in support and on the scene.

The number of injured are not confirmed at this time, a statement said. No further details were released.
Guy who did shooting identified as Sergent Ivan ?

I am posting here because that Ivan fellow may have connection to Jihad HQ land of pure.
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X Posted from the "Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism" thread.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting ways called out.

Canadian Minister Chris Alexander rightly terms the Islamic Republic of Pakistan a state sponsor of terror:

Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorism, Chris Alexander says

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan reacts to being rightly termed a state sponsor of terror by Canada’s Immigration Minister:

Pakistan lashes back at Chris Alexander over terrorism comments
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Looks like Thalaivar might have some competition. As my Tamil friends might put it: "oru kallu le aaru maanga" (or in Hindi, "ek paththar mein che aam"):
http://news.yahoo.com/single-snipers-bu ... 53408.html
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Not sure if this was posted before. This is genuine news, from 'Dawn', http://www.dawn.com/news/1094959/ahlan- ... l-bakistan
Al Bakistan and Al Bunjab
Out of the blue emerged these vehicle registration plates with the number either in Urdu or simple numbers and ‘Al Bakistan’ painted in white Arabic font on a red strip. Jaws dropped, frowns were formed, laughs were had and people were rendered speechless at this totally new and unexpected phenomenon. Why would Pakistan be called ‘Bakistan’? When did the name of the country change? Why borrow Arabic words or alphabet sounds while the national language still remains Urdu?
A few months later these number plates got an additional word: Al Bunjab. The new plates have ‘Al Bunjab, Al Bakistan’ written on them in Arabic. And this has become quite conspicuous now. From a motorbike to a car, every other vehicle in Lahore, at least, seems to have been hit by Cyclone Arabic.
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anupmisra wrote:No extension in ceasefire, war to start again- TTP commander
On Pakistan cricket team’s recent defeat against Bangladesh in World Twenty20, he said ‘Allah has always let this nation cry without a break’.
I stand vindicated. It has always been my position (may be others too) that All'ah has been singularly cruel to Pakistan. Coming from the greenest of the green (at least until now because we don't when the next greener than the greenest will crop up), it made my day, week, month & year.
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SriKumar wrote:Not sure if this was posted before. This is genuine news, from 'Dawn', http://www.dawn.com/news/1094959/ahlan- ... l-bakistan
Al Bakistan and Al Bunjab
Out of the blue emerged these vehicle registration plates with the number either in Urdu or simple numbers and ‘Al Bakistan’ painted in white Arabic font on a red strip. Jaws dropped, frowns were formed, laughs were had and people were rendered speechless at this totally new and unexpected phenomenon. Why would Pakistan be called ‘Bakistan’? When did the name of the country change? Why borrow Arabic words or alphabet sounds while the national language still remains Urdu?
A few months later these number plates got an additional word: Al Bunjab. The new plates have ‘Al Bunjab, Al Bakistan’ written on them in Arabic. And this has become quite conspicuous now. From a motorbike to a car, every other vehicle in Lahore, at least, seems to have been hit by Cyclone Arabic.
Look beyond the headlines and you can see the same basic tuth about Al Baki-stan
But that’s not all. Arabic number plates may have gained popularity in a short span, but this design is not the only foreign ‘gift’ to Pakistan. There are a few expensive luxurious cars in Lahore with UK-style number plates. The reason was the same: they liked the design and got it made. Does all of this look cool? Is this just vanity or impending cultural invasion? This is for the public to decide, because really, everything seems to be working here.
In Shitland it appears that the government lacks control to impose a standard. That is true for everything else in Pakistan. The government/army cannot run an admin that collects taxes. The govt/army cannot control the borders of al Bakistan. The govt/army cannot enforce immunization. The government/army cannot curb sectarian violence. The govt/army cannot encourage limitation of childbirths. The govt/army cannot keep literacy rates up to match the population increase. The govt/army cannot agree to control prices of essential commodities and drugs, and as a result cannot control smuggling.

If you take all these things together you have the definition of state failure

The unique thing about Pakistan is the presence of an old British legacy - a core English speaking elite whose words and actions are seen ad read by the Anglophone world. And that includes India. Indians constitute an important and major fraction of people who see Pakistan as a coherent functioning country by constantly reading the very positive and very Pakistani English media of Pakistan.

If a Somali warlord's clan were English speaking and part of the commonwealth, we would consider Somalia as being a "troubled democracy" - not a failed state. India and Indians are part of the problem in keeping Pakistan functioning in cooperation with US/UK and in competition with India because we think both countries are similar. Pakistan is no more than the equivalent of a badly managed- worse-than-BIMARU Indian state.

We English speakers dominate information space in India and get our Pakistani inputs from the Pakistani English press which is 90% sane, but represents only 1% of Pakistan. If we laugh or ridicule 10 Pakistani articles in English, there are a 100 others that appear sane which we ignore. But those Indians who do not ignore those imagine that Pakistan is a sane, coherent. functioning nation without realizing that the Paki English press is in no way comparable to the breadth and depth of the Indian English media. Most of Pakistan lies outside of what the English media report and Pakis do a great job of managing the media to make it look like al iz wel
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anupmisra wrote:
On Pakistan cricket team’s recent defeat against Bangladesh in World Twenty20, he said ‘Allah has always let this nation cry without a break’.
I find this statement odd.

On the one hand it appears that there is this Talibaniac who is fighting Pakistan. On the other hand the guy subscribes to the idea of some Pakistani nation and a Pakistani cricket team. I mean, I would have thought that if Bangladesh beat Pakistan, Muslims have won and Allah has ensured the success of the faith. So where is the sorrow? And what is this nation-sation crap this talibunny is talking about?

This Taliban guy is not ideologically motivated or smart - he is just a criminal Paki who thinks he is being devout. Not a big threat to Pakistan and does not promise much fun for us to watch.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/03/opini ... istan.html
“I’m loving Lahore,” she told me. “I feel like I’ve moved to Switzerland after living in a war zone.” The contrast is not as exaggerated as it sounds. In recent years, Punjab has suffered less than the rest of the country from the suicide attacks and bomb blasts that have killed some 49,000 people since 2001....Most of Karachi’s 18 million residents have to rely on private transport. But Lahoris commute on a rapid metrobus system, and a similar initiative in Islamabad will be the federal capital’s most expensive road project to date. While the Punjabi government is digitizing land records, automating administrative transactions and promoting what it calls e-governance, the Sindh government faces a famine in Tharparkar.

Government officials have repeatedly stated that a peace deal is necessary because military strikes against the Taliban would lead to reprisal attacks. Given the carnage that Karachi, Quetta and Peshawar have endured in recent years, many Pakistanis describe that policy as a ploy to sacrifice the tribal areas in order to save Lahore. Such perceptions only heighten interprovincial tensions, just at a time when the country needs to be more united than ever.
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http://www.dawn.com/news/1097489/mushar ... -islamabad

Musharraf’s convoy escapes blast in Islamabad
A powerful explosion on Thursday hit Faizabad bridge just after the convoy of the former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf passed by it, DawnNews reported. According to sources, almost four to six kilogram of explosive material was planted in a pipeline of a nearby footpath.
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This is TSPA planned incident to provide ticket out of Pakistan to Mushy Rat.
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This looks like a TSPA/ISI planned safe bombing
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Yep.. Not TTP... TTP has sufficient competence to accurately time the bum blast.. As seen from the halalling of Maj. Gen Sanaullah Khan and Chaudhry Aslam..

Expect Mushy's lawyer rushing to court with requests for Mushy to leave Pak for his life is under threat in Shitland..
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SO, the DG ISI was ordered to appear before the court??!! Someone is inviting a soosai attack / drive-by shooting.. :shock:

Spy agency chief fails to appear in court
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Hooked on Jihadism - Op Ed in DT
The signs are that the Pakistani state remains hooked and high on jihadism. From meddling in the Middle East at the behest of its Arab patrons to continuing to stoke the fire in Afghanistan, the Pakistani military-intelligence-jihadi complex is not inclined to correct its course in the near to midterm. From the Pakistani government’s statement endorsing the Saudi bid for regime change in Syria to turning a blind eye to, if not actively dispatching the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Taliban jihadists to achieve that goal, Pakistan’s role is plain dubious. The PML-N leadership seems intent on returning personal favours received from the Saudi monarchy by shoving Pakistan into another pernicious conflict that it can surely do without.

In a departure from condemning foreign powers without naming names, the Afghan intelligence service — the NDS — has directly blamed Pakistan for the recent massacre by the Taliban in Kabul’s Serena Hotel, in which an AFP journalist, Sardar Ahmad, was also killed along with his wife and two children. Afghanistan said that the “NDS investigations and findings after the tragic incident reveal that Pakistani intelligence services were involved in planning this heinous attack”. The so-called spectacular attacks that have unleashed death in major Afghan cities over the past decade have invariably been traced to jihadist terrorists holed up on Pakistani soil but Pakistan has never even slapped their wrist. On the contrary, operations to weed out the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) were tweaked or postponed to avoid disrupting the deadly business of the good Taliban. We have argued in this space that the TTP and the Afghan jihadists have always been joined at the hip and, along with Punjab-based jihadists, they are different shades of the regional al Qaeda spectrum.

The Pakistani state, unfortunately, does not plan to cut this Gordian knot of jihadism that it has tied over four decades. The military-intelligence-jihadist complex may actually be getting its ducks in a row for the next round of death and destruction in the region. Kashmir-oriented jihadists like Masud Azhar are being resurrected to undermine improving ties with India. The election of the new ameer (head) of the Jamaat-e-Islami (JI), Mr Sirajul Haq seems like the second coming of his jihadist mentor the late Qazi Hussain Ahmed. Mr Ahmed was an intellectual lightweight compared to his JI predecessors, who was promoted out of turn largely due to his ethnic Pashtun background and connections to the Afghan jihadists to boost the jihad next door. Under Mr Ahmed’s tutelage, Mr Haq led the JI’s student wing, Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba (IJT) from 1988 to 1991 when IJT members were dispatched to wage war in Khost and Jalalabad. I was at Peshawar University at the time when the IJT, under Mr Sirajul Haq, was recruiting boys on campuses for ‘jihad and martyrdom’ in Afghanistan. Mr Haq’s elevation dovetails with the scheme of things wherein the Taliban are being legitimised at home.
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The Sow-Dees are the godfarters of the Pukis,who depend upon them for moolah to sustain their jihadi ways.
Just as the "Sherrif" of Puke was given asylum in the land of the Sow-Dees,so is it armtwisting the Sherrif to return the favour. The ailing mother of the bandicoot,Gen.Mush-a-rat is supposed to be at death's door.We wish her a swift and speedy recovery,a miracle which may indeed happen when she sees the face of her son!
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SriKumar wrote:Not sure if this was posted before. This is genuine news, from 'Dawn', http://www.dawn.com/news/1094959/ahlan- ... l-bakistan
Al Bakistan and Al Bunjab
Out of the blue emerged these vehicle registration plates with the number either in Urdu or simple numbers and ‘Al Bakistan’ painted in white Arabic font on a red strip. Jaws dropped, frowns were formed, laughs were had and people were rendered speechless at this totally new and unexpected phenomenon. Why would Pakistan be called ‘Bakistan’? When did the name of the country change? Why borrow Arabic words or alphabet sounds while the national language still remains Urdu?
A few months later these number plates got an additional word: Al Bunjab. The new plates have ‘Al Bunjab, Al Bakistan’ written on them in Arabic. And this has become quite conspicuous now. From a motorbike to a car, every other vehicle in Lahore, at least, seems to have been hit by Cyclone Arabic.
Srikumar Ji :

One is rather confounded, mystified and perplexed etc. at the Hullabaloo these days about The Land of the Pure and the Home of the Terrorist has now adopted the name "Al Bakistan".

The Land of the Pure and the Home of the Terrorist was labelled as "Al Bakistan" on 16th December 1971 - i.e. over Forty Years ago - when Bangladesh achieved its Independence and the remaining Part of W Pakistan was amended to "Al Bakistan" i.e. The "Remaining Stan".

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Peregrine wrote:The Land of the Pure and the Home of the Terrorist was labelled as "Al Bakistan" on 16th December 1971 - i.e. over Forty Years ago - when Bangladesh achieved its Independence and the remaining Part of W Pakistan was amended to "Al Bakistan" i.e. The "Remaining Stan".
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have paki men disguised as women playing for their women's team ???
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On that self-inflicted fake assassination attempt to escape from Law, we can have a fair idea of our belief that it is indeed a TSPA effort at putting Musharraf's musharraf on the seat of an outbound plane, in the next few days with the pace and tenor of the investigations. If Nawaz Sharif is indeed vengeful and had rejected a mercy appeal from the TSPA/ISI, then he will pursue the assassination matter vigorously and the TSPA/ISI will pull out all stops to thwart it. Let us keep a close eye on the developments. OTOH, the TSPA/ISI may pursue this vigorously if it suspected Nawaz Sharif's hand in this or it may do so simply to cover its tracks too. On the whole, Alla's has bestowed Pakistan with not only cruelty, as that TTP worthy, Khorasani, rightly lamented, but also a lot of entertainment for the rest of the world.
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TSP Government releases 16 TTP terrorists to revive talks, 100 more to be released soon - Dawn
The government has freed at least 16 Pakistani Taliban prisoners with the approval of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, officials said on Thursday, in a move designed to invigorate a shaky peace process with the militant group.

The Pakistani Taliban called a one-month ceasefire on March 1 but said this week they would not extend the truce because the government was not serious about meeting their demands.

The demands include releasing 800 prisoners the insurgent group describes as innocent family members and withdrawing the army from parts of the semi-autonomous tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan.

The political agent of South Waziristan, the highest government official in the northwestern tribal region, confirmed the government has started releasing non-combatant prisoners to boost reconcilliation efforts.

“South Waziristan's political administration released 16 men on April 1,” Islam Zeb told Reuters.

“They are not major commanders. They are innocent tribals who were arrested during different search operations in South Waziristan in the last two to three years.” {Oh, yeah, all right}

Zeb said all the released prisoners belonged to the Mehsud tribe.

Another 100 prisoners on the Taliban's list were being processed and would be released in the next few days, he added.
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So Pervez "Daba-Daba" Musharraf escapes again, hain? How convenient. What attempt was it this time - fourth or fifth? Must have been "the gang that couldn't shoot straight" or this guy is born lucky. It is also insulting to the TTP, if it is blamed on the TTP, to be tagged as "failures".
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meanwhile,
Nine-month-old booked for murder in Pakistan
a nine-month- old Pakistani boy has been booked for attempted murder by attacking a police team here.

Musa was produced in court where Additional District and Sessions Judge Rafaqat Ali granted bail to the minor till April 12 and directed the police to "record his statement".

Police arrested Musa and his father Ahmed in an attempted murder case by attacking police team during raids in Muslim Town, Lahore and produced them in court.

Counsel for the accused, Irfan Tarar, said the minor would again be produced in the court during the next hearing.

"The bail of the minor will be confirmed once the police declare him innocent," he said.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 185049.cms
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Overcoming South Asia’s Peace Spoilers

APR 1, 2014
T. V. Paul

MONTREAL – Long-anticipated peace negotiations between India and Pakistan appear to have been delayed until after India’s May parliamentary elections, and the prospects for subsequent talks are not clear. Victory for Narendra Modi’s nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), a resurgent Taliban in the wake of the United States’ impending troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, and Pakistan’s continuing failure to negotiate with or suppress the Pakistani Taliban, point to a period of intense uncertainty and potential conflict. But this is no reason to give up trying for peace.

True, Modi’s peacemaking credentials are already highly questionable, both at home and in Pakistan. He was Gujarat’s chief minister in 2002 when riots killed more than a thousand Muslims. Many fear that, as Prime Minister, he would polarize the entire country along communal lines. And, thus far, he has taken an uncompromising position on Pakistan, and will probably continue to talk tough, at least for the time being.

But Modi is likely to take cues from his BJP predecessor, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, who visited Lahore in 1999 to talk peace with his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif (who returned to power in 2013). There are good reasons for Modi to do so. Peace with Pakistan would strengthen his personal standing nationally and internationally, thus constituting a step toward fulfilling the BJP’s great-power ambitions for India. It would also help revive India’s weakened economy by spurring foreign investment, the benefits of which Modi has already seen in Gujarat. :roll:

Sharif has offered India olive branches of his own, and with good reason: Rapprochement with India is essential to strengthening his position in Afghanistan and improving his capacity to suppress violence at home. Peace with India would also allow him to undercut the power of Pakistan’s military and its intelligence wing, the ISI. Although entering peace talks with a future Modi government would risk provoking a domestic backlash, Sharif might still be willing to break the ice if the main political parties support his moves.

Unfortunately, many in South Asia do not want peace. Numerous attempts by India’s current Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to re-start talks with Pakistan have been thwarted by violations along Kashmir’s line of control or as a result of cross-border artillery fire – episodes that seem to occur at the slightest provocation.

For now, Indian policymakers regard Sharif’s overtures with suspicion. They are wary of what his negotiations with the Pakistani Taliban might bring, and they doubt that he retains control over Pakistan’s policies on Kashmir or Afghanistan.

Indeed, the biggest obstacle to India-Pakistan peace negotiations is their vulnerability to spoilers. As soon as the process begins, powerful vested interests are likely to disrupt it – violently – because a peace agreement would undermine their power base and the political support that they derive from continuing the conflict.

There are plenty of precedents for this. In 1999, Pakistan’s General Pervez Musharraf destabilized the Lahore peace process by sending rangers to occupy the Kargil Heights on Kashmir’s Indian side. India’s military response effectively buried the talks. In December 2001, the attack by the Pakistan-based militant groups Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) on India’s parliament wrecked unofficial discussions between the BJP government and Musharraf’s military regime.

India also has its spoilers. The February 2007 bombing – apparently by Hindu fundamentalists – of the Samjhauta Express, a biweekly train service connecting New Delhi and Lahore, occurred just before a visit by Pakistan’s foreign minister, killing 68 people, both Pakistanis and Indians. :evil:

The fact that both countries have weak governments that lack popular support strengthens the spoilers’ position. India’s Congress-led coalition may view a tough stance toward Pakistan as the only way to ward off domestic criticism from the BJP and other opposition parties. And many Indians doubt the value of negotiating with a Sharif government that, given civil-military tensions, may not serve its full term. The appointment of the pliable general Raheel Sharif as army chief has helped defuse the situation; but, with Pakistan and India backing opposing sides in Afghanistan, the military and the ISI could reassert themselves should tensions there rise.

Fortunately, violence inside Kashmir has decreased for now, though it could easily flare up again if the Taliban were to consolidate its power in Afghanistan, and the ISI were to ratchet up support for groups like LeT and JeM.

Though current political volatility in both India and Pakistan rules out full peace talks for the time being, that should not prevent the two sides from initiating confidence-building measures by trying to resolve lower-level disagreements, including territorial disputes over Siachen, Sir Creek, and the Wullar barrage/Tulbul navigation project. Differences over water rights and dam construction could be negotiated at diplomatic levels or through back channels.

The two countries could also develop economic and commercial cooperation, work together to combat terrorism and drug trafficking, and promote friendly exchanges in various social and cultural fields. Increased trade relations might also create countervailing economic interests in favor of peace. Recent agreements to establish more border trading posts and bank branches are good starting points, and Pakistan has already made some moves to reciprocate India’s offer of Most Favored Nation trading status under a different name.

This alone may not guarantee the success of negotiations, if and when they take place, but it could remove incentives to spoil them. And if the two countries can find ways to prevent smaller disputes from escalating, it would generate a more conducive atmosphere in which to address Kashmir, the largest source of conflict of all.
Mai Yamani

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MAR 25, 2014
Saudi Arabia’s Pilgrimage to Pakistan

LONDON – Over the last few years, Saudi Arabia has become increasingly estranged from its long-time protector, the United States. It viewed America’s backing for Hosni Mubarak’s fall from power in Egypt – and its subsequent acceptance of the Muslim Brotherhood government – as a betrayal. Then came US President Barack Obama’s refusal to enforce his “red line” in Syria, after President Bashar al-Assad’s regime unleashed poison gas on its opponents. But the final straw was America’s support for the recent interim agreement on Iran’s nuclear program.

Saudi Arabia’s mounting distrust of the US matters, because whenever the Kingdom has felt an existential threat – and it regards Iran’s regional ambitions as such a threat – it has relied on an external power to protect it. But if it can no longer rely on the US, where can the Kingdom turn for sufficient military muscle?

The answer seems to be Pakistan, a country that the rest of the world views as on the verge of becoming a failed state.

Pakistan has previously served the Kingdom’s interests by sending military and security assistance during times of stress. Saudi Arabia received some 30,000 Pakistani soldiers in 1979, at the time of Iran’s Islamic Revolution. And these troops remained in the Kingdom until the mid-1980’s.

The Saudis also employed thousands of Pakistani soldiers during the 1991 Gulf War. And, at the beginning of 2014, Foreign Minister Saud Al-Faisal and Crown Prince Salman visited Islamabad to renew the two countries’ military agreements on joint arms production. The visit was also intended to lay the groundwork to bring 30,000 Pakistani soldiers and military advisers to the Kingdom.

Why Pakistan, and why now?

The Saudi rulers view Pakistan as one of three regional powers, along with Iran and Turkey, capable of having a decisive impact on the Middle East. An alliance with Shia Iran – the Kingdom’s supreme ideological enemy, and one with regional hegemonic ambitions – is out of the question. Turkey, for its part, is regarded as a competitor for the mantle of Sunni Muslim leadership – a position long held by the Ottoman Empire.

The frequent description of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan as harboring “neo-Ottoman” ambitions for his country clearly implicates this rivalry. It was the Ottomans who brought down two historical Saudi/Wahhabi states. The first such state (1745-1818) was destroyed by Egypt’s Mehmet Ali with Ottoman support; the second (1824-1891) was also defeated by the Ottomans.

By contrast, the Kingdom has no problematic history with Pakistan. On the contrary, the Saudis have bankrolled the Pakistani state, and proved a generous host to its current prime minister, Mian Nawaz Sharif, during his long exile following the military coup that toppled his government in 1999.

Indeed, Saudi Arabia has invested heavily in Pakistan since the early years of its independence. Given that Pakistan was founded in 1947 on a religious basis, it is not surprising that its leaders sought support from the source of Islam, Mecca, then under Saudi rule. The Kingdom, in turn, exported its Wahhabi teachings to the “Land of the Pure,” ultimately fueling the Islamic extremism and sectarian violence of the Taliban and others.

Saudi Arabia also invested in Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, the so-called Sunni Bomb, by directly financing the research of A. Q. Khan, the father of the Pakistani effort. The Kingdom’s hope of directly benefiting from Pakistan’s nuclear capabilities was blocked in 2003, when the US discovered the prospect of a transfer of knowledge and more.

Moreover, the forces that the Pakistan has sent to the Kingdom over the years have been perceived as generally loyal. Although up to 30% of the Pakistani army are Shia, the Saudis will only accept Sunni soldiers, and Pakistan has happily provided them as mercenaries, sent on rotation and treated as guest workers.

Part of the Saudi plan today is to use Pakistanis as the backbone for a new Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) joint military force. Pakistani forces under Saudi command were used in operations to quell Shia uprisings in Bahrain in 2011, and the Saudis now want a standby force ready to put down Islamist and Shia provocations whenever and wherever they may appear in the Gulf. In the event of an existential threat in the region, in particular a confrontation with Iran, Pakistan would offer the Kingdom a form of deadly protection denied it by the West.

So to what extent can Pakistan really enhance Saudi Arabia’s security, particularly in a war against Iran? Pakistan is badly fractured, with domestic terrorism running rampant. Its military lacks the capacity to intervene in Saudi Arabia’s defense while maintaining not only domestic security, but also readiness for war against India (an obsession of Pakistani generals).

Moreover, Pakistan’s substantial Shia population might join the ranks of the violently disaffected if the military backed the Saudis in a sectarian war. And the Pakistan People’s Party, now in opposition but still a powerful domestic force, shares interests with Iran.

So, although the strategic value of closer military ties with Pakistan seems highly questionable, Saudi Arabia has little choice. The GCC is in fact disintegrating, following Qatar’s ouster for supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and Oman’s voluntary departure from the group. That, together with the Kingdom’s deepening distrust of the US, is fueling a growing sense of isolation. Pakistan may not be anyone’s idea of an ally when facing an existential threat; for Saudi Arabia, however, it is an idea whose time has come.

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ramana wrote:
Paul wrote:The Kabila mindset of the Pakis coupled with indifference to their natural surroundings around them seems to be a common theme with the Wahabis as well and by extension a trait of the Sunni mindset in the middle east.

The Shias have holy places like Zainab's tomb, Karbala, and Mazar-e-Sharif where they remain vulnerable to attacks from the Wahabis. They cannot vacate these places are willing to take horrendous casualties to defend these places. This is viewed as a weakness by the Wahabis. In contrast Recall the news item a few years ago about the Wahabis razing the Prophet's home.

They have imbibed it in their mindset to remain a moving target and thus reduce their painpoints. They may learnt from past experiences like the destruction of the Ismailis by the Mongols and put them to good use.

This way their brand of islam will survive an attack even on their holiest places should it ever happen. There was a senator from Denver IIRC had threatened to nuke Mecca.

Will Durant in his "Oriental Heritage" writes about how the Muslims would sorround the Chandra temple at Multan(Moolsthana) and claim to pull it down and the local Hindus would come out and negotiate an unequal treaty.
This happened time and again.
The temples of North India appear to have taken some precautions. As a result of all the looting and destruction, temples there have only a statue of Rama or Krishna....unlike temples in the South which will be a prime target of a Malik Kafur redux. Swaminarayan, Lingayat sects etc. are more suited for a spartan form of worship rather than the well funded Mutts and temples based in South India.

Hindus would do well to adapt to this form of worship to reduce their vulnerabilities.
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Paul wrote: Hindus would do well to adapt to this form of worship to reduce their vulnerabilities.
Disagree.
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Can you elaborate Shiv?
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Aftter the good, and bad, meet the non-combatant:A turd blossoming in the spring.

The good, the bad, and the non-combatant*
Coming Hijra, 1435.
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Paul wrote:Can you elaborate Shiv?
I may have been mistaken. I think your message was unclear to me and on re reading it appears that you were referring to Pakistani Hindus I guess. I suppose I have no comment on whether Pakistani Hindus should become more spartan in their places of worship.

I misunderstood your post, thought it referred to India, and disagreed with the principle that Hindu worship should become spartan to ward off a threat. Indians temples have been architectural wonders - or at least great works of art and human labor of devotion. I was surprised that you seemed to be recommending that the fundamental hallmarks of civilization be drawn back in a "belt-tightening" as it were.
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I agree with Shiv. Hindus need to build viraat temples and stop this prayer in the mind thing. No need to be diffident.
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ramana wrote:I agree with Shiv. Hindus need to build viraat temples and stop this prayer in the mind thing. No need to be diffident.
Virat Temples with Shastr storage houses and Shaastr libraries.8 different weapons per god will demand from 40-200 weapons per temple to do appropriate religious rituals. Same goes for celebrating Indian festivals where one of family members should emulate wearing similar weaponries at home for whole day.With money flowing in , all these should be grand on scale to give appropriate Ga...d scathe.

( How many can recall Burkha Dutt face on TV when Told about Bhavya Mandir for Lord Ram? She was recommending a small temple like the one commonly found around street corner)
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Debate in Pakistan on Modi.

Will Modi be pragmatist or ideologue, wonders Pakistan = Meena Menon, The Hindu
Speakers at a briefing for parliamentarians on Thursday expressed their hopes and fears on the possibility of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) winning the general election in India. They also sounded a note of caution on its prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi taking a hard line on Pakistan.

Over 142 members of the National Assembly had registered for the event organised for the first time by the Pakistan India Parliamentary Friendship Group headed by Awais Ahmad Khan Leghari, who took this initiative. Mr. Leghari is keen that Indian MPs reciprocate the interest in building better ties.

Senator Mushahid Hussain briefing members on the “Prospects of Upcoming Indian Elections and its Impact on Pakistan-India Relations,” provided a lucid outline of the changes in the South Asian region and the fact that Pakistan had a democratically-elected government and how it would have a positive impact on relations with India.

He said the Congress was unlikely to retain power and this time but for a few exceptions, the political campaign was not Pakistan-centric. If the BJP comes to power, it would be good for Pakistan since the country had fond memories of the former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee who took the bus to Lahore in a historic event many years ago, he said. The BJP had a better track record and a political legacy of normalising relations with Pakistan and visits from Mr. Vajpayee and L.K. Advani who even praised Jinnah, showed that.

He also pointed out that India had far more pressing concerns in the form of economic growth, unemployment and poverty.

The former Foreign Secretary and High Commissioner to India Salman Bashir said while Pakistan today was in a better position to normalise relations with India, there was a disturbing trend of communal discord in the run- up to the elections there. He said the Aam Aadmi Party could also affect the Congress chances.

On the question of Mr. Modi as a national leader, he said “it has to be seen if he will transform on the lines of Mr. Vajpayee and he is known to be an assertive administrator. India is entering an uncertain phase and there is a clear-cut view which sees Pakistan as an enemy State and it is deeply entrenched.”

“The question is if Mr. Modi will deepen this view or move ahead. Will he be pragmatic or an ideologue?”
Mr. Bashir wondered. Also, Mr. Modi did not have much exposure to foreign policy and there is a question mark on he India-U.S. relationship. He will also have to deal with Pakistan and China too.

Mr. Bashir was doubtful if the new government would resume the stalled composite dialogue.
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An important point would be why are pakis themselves not dealing with root cause of ailments in pukistan and instead go about doing hai-tauba circus when actually it is in India that elections will be.
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