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Readout put out by the Americans of a call between our Prime Minister Narendra Modi and their President Donald Trump.

Given Donald Trump’s penchant for using exuberant over the top terminology, difficult to gauge likely direction of Indo-US relations from the readout. “True Friend” does sound so much blander than the multiple use of the term “Fantastic” :roll: by Donald Trump as President Elect to describe the Mohammadden Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

So for now, to use a Musharrafism, best to only “100% Agree” rather than “800% Agree” that the US is a “True Friend” of India :wink:. hand

I wait and watch regards how much Jaziya the US will this time around hand over to the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic knowing fully well that the Jaziya given by the US will be used by the Islamic Republic to target India :evil: :
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
January 24, 2017

Readout of the President’s Call With Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India

During a call with Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India, President Trump emphasized that the United States considers India a true friend and partner in addressing challenges around the world. The two discussed opportunities to strengthen the partnership between the United States and India in broad areas such as the economy and defense. They also discussed security in the region of South and Central Asia. President Trump and Prime Minister Modi resolved that the United States and India stand shoulder to shoulder in the global fight against terrorism. President Trump looked forward to hosting Prime Minister Modi in the United States later this year.
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The key takeaways for me are:

1. Trump signals his desire to pursue close partnership with India by calling Modi ahead of even more traditional allies such as Japan and inviting him for a visit to US in his first year itself.

2. He took out the hyphenation by calling out that the partnership is to address problems around the world instead of just South Asia or even Asia. Very good.

3. Very curiously, SCS is missing in the security aspect of the discussion which calls out only South and Central Asia. Was Modi lukewarm to getting involved in SCS?

PS: The read out seems to have been vetted by professionals after the embarrassing episode with Ganja.
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Vert staid phone call from Trump to ModiJi. Same old hackneyed BS from Bush to Obama to Trump. And this crap about standing "shoulder to shoulder on global terrorism", seems to have been written by some deep state diplomat. Does that "global terrorism" include TSP terror against India or is that "dispute over Kashmir". I am sure Trump will say the same thing to TSP, and praise them for their "sacrifices" in their joint fight against "global terrorism". As always, the devil is in the details.
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Diplomat'is is always staid. I am surprised that BRFites are worked up over diplomatis output.

1. SCS will not be mentioned. It is not a zero sum game
2. Economy and Defense are identified key areas (as usual)
3. However the keyword here is Central Asia. Is Trump asking for India's help in Syria? Containing ISIS? UAE is already under India's security umbrella now. Is UAE/Oman the foot step for larger India role in its middle-west policy?
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disha wrote:Diplomat'is is always staid. I am surprised that BRFites are worked up over diplomatis output.

3. However the keyword here is Central Asia.
Afghanistan, US and India have same interest on Afghanistan and beyond


There is a larger vision but it is not being spoken overtly
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so in an atmosphere of elevated tensions in asia, india's security concerns become more important and an America being made great again and returning American jobs to American workers will be happy to manufacture expensive weapon systems to furnish the Indian armed forces in exchange for many dollares... and if some of them become accidentally useful to irk China, then so much the better...

he is a great businessman after all
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with DT it is best to see when anything materializes..rest everything is hot air..anyways expecting them or anyone to part crown jewels is our foolishness
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Some Indian Mediawallah are going gaga over DT giving India priority over Japan,Russia. I think he was given an alphabetical list of importent countries and he went accordingly.
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he cant talk to any of the TPP wallahs, he can't talk to Russia, he can't talk to Germany - where he's taking panga
India is a good alternative - big enough but not controversial enough
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^^
he will not "TALK" Germany until frau is there.
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Some Indian Mediawallah are going gaga over DT giving India priority over Japan,Russia. I think he was given an alphabetical list of importent countries and he went accordingly.
Just as a FYI to everyone, Japan was the FIRST national leader Trump met with - in person actually. And, IIRC, he spent a LOT more time with Abe. It was way before his inauguration, without any direction fro the SD, etc, etc, etc. Nonetheless he did meet. And, even though nothing was mentioned after that, it was not just a social meeting.

But, I doubt any of these things matter to Trump. Perhaps in a few more months he could be politicized a wee bit. Till now he is still trump, with his own agenda.
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After screwing us over for so long, the US is going to have to earn our trust. We shouldn't commit to anything without concrete steps from the DT administration. Banning immigration from Pakiland to the US, and restarting the drone war that Obama halted, would be good indicators the Americans are finally turning a new leaf.
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Gee! I came over hiyar as refugee from Understanding Yoo Ess dhaga, and what do I c? trumpeting onlee.
Apparently NaMO is the 5th phoren leader that the new potus called. First was Canadastani. Second was Mehicostani. Third was Nut&yahoo. 4th was Egypt dictator because he is anti-IB. All to deal with major takleef etc.

First leader called as friend was NaMo. Invitations exchanged. NaMO apparently may have bought ticket immediately. Reminds me of the RK Laxman cartoon showing the Neta in Nehru cap boarding the plane along with the vijiting phoren neta on their return flight. Anyway, an auspicious beginning.

BTW, I hear on good authority that vijiting Indian netas have been strongly advised to stay away from too much blah-blah on Make In India. Soft-pedal is the word.
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The US was just demoted from "full democracy" to "flawed democracy" :rotfl:

I would like to think that the US relegation to the ranks of “Flawed Democracy” in the Democracy Index compiled by the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU) will result in India being spared of the annual ritual of sanctimonious US fault finding that India is subject to by the Christist agenda laden United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) and suchlike. ……….. But then again on reflection, sanctimony is so deep rooted in the US psyche when it comes to dealing with “heathens” :wink: in India that it looks like I am likely to be disappointed.
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arun wrote:The US was just demoted from "full democracy" to "flawed democracy" :rotfl:

I would like to think that the US relegation to the ranks of “Flawed Democracy” in the Democracy Index compiled by the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU) will result in India being spared of the annual ritual of sanctimonious US fault finding that India is subject to by the Christist agenda laden United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) and suchlike. ……….. But then again on reflection, sanctimony is so deep rooted in the US psyche when it comes to dealing with “heathens” :wink: in India that it looks like I am likely to be disappointed.
UK, like an ant climbing on to an elephant's back, intent on rape.!!!

In spite of kerry's "request", the GoI banning Compassion International in India sends a very blunt message. Unmistakable, in fact.

USCRIF is not even a blip on this Indian Govt's radar.
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Unless there is drastic course correction under Trump and the blatant lies that seem to be the cornerstone of his presidency so far, this is eroding any respect that USA had among other countries. China is poised to step into the vacuum. Already China has fired warning shots against the USA by siding with Palestine and this will give them solid brownie points in the Muslim world, and most Muslim majority nations will accept the Sinification of Islam in some form by accepting the hanification or han pacification of the Uighurs in order to gain Chinese support against the USA.

Chinese diplomats and leadership are probably working furiously overtime to tell the entire Middle east and other Muslim majority countries to come under the Chinese security blanket and Nukes and step away from the USA provided Nuclear umbrella. China can easily now become the savior of the Muslim Ummah, with support from Russia. Heck today if China offers adequate compensation the finest minds who are working in USA academics will be willing to come work for China, just as Russian Scientists post the Soviet collapse worked for Chinese special projects.

I hope our foreign policy folks are also working to India's best interest in this world.
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Voices in iraq are already calling to end defence ties to usa and seek chinese bases in iraq and investment
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There are four universalism/Imperium at work today :
- Anglo-Saxon universalism of free access to capital flows
- European universalism to restore Roman Empire in Europe. Not Holy Roman Empire but earlier one
- China universalism to Hannify Asia and the world
- Sunni Islam universalism to spread Islam in Middle East, Europe and Asia in that order

India has one part of each of these universalisms combating against 'idea of India' individually and sometimes in cohort.

The Torjan War is very important to understand.
In modern era it need not be a physical combat but a war nevertheless.
Troy was the more settled nation
Greeks were the real barbarians. In the the outrage of Helen abduction or leaving they committed various atrocities.

Troy fell for two reasons:
- They waited for the Greeks to come and land on their shores. It was defensive defense. Having allowed the landing they did not repel them for ten long years.
- They fell for the Trojan Horse ruse.

Modern states are falling for the Troy Wooden Horse ruse and allowing disparate elements into their midst. And protect them with laws and Constitution that the disparate elements don't believe in.

World is moving to conservatism as liberalism has not protected them.
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The top US State Department careerists are gone.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/top ... ip-resigns
Top State Dept Leadership Resigns En Masse
{The State Department’s long-serving undersecretary for management Patrick} Kennedy who has been in that job for nine years, was actively involved in the transition and was angling to keep that job under Tillerson, three State Department officials told me.

Then suddenly on Wednesday afternoon, Kennedy and three of his top officials resigned unexpectedly, four State Department officials confirmed. Assistant Secretary of State for Administration Joyce Anne Barr, Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs Michele Bond and Ambassador Gentry O. Smith, director of the Office of Foreign Missions, followed him out the door. All are career foreign service officers who have served under both Republican and Democratic administrations.

“It’s the single biggest simultaneous departure of institutional memory that anyone can remember, and that’s incredibly difficult to replicate,” says Kerry Chief of Staff David Wade.
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Good. The deadwood Arabists are gone.
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The US Dept of State careerists who are gone - these are not foreign policy-making posts, but the day-to-day running of the department.
1. Patrick Kennedy
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/95199.htm
Patrick F. Kennedy, a Career Minister in the Foreign Service, was confirmed by the U.S. Senate as Under Secretary of State for Management on November 6, 2007. As Under Secretary for Management, he is responsible for the people, resources, budget, facilities, technology, financial operations, consular affairs, logistics, contracting, and security for Department of State operations, and is the Secretary’s principal advisor on management issues. He is chair of the department-wide Greening Council, responsible for overseeing implementation of the Secretary’s Greening Diplomacy Initiative (GDI), to improve the sustainability of the State Department’s facilities and operations.
2. Joyce Anne Barr
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/190222.htm
A member of the Senior Foreign Service with the rank of Career Minister, Joyce Barr was confirmed as the Assistant Secretary for Administration in December of 2011. As A/S, she is responsible for the day-to-day administration of a variety of functions ranging from logistics, acquisitions, maintenance, allowances, overseas schools, records management, privacy programs, the Working Capital Fund and presidential travel.
3. Michele Bond
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/231694.htm
Michele Thoren Bond was sworn in as Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs on August 10, 2015. As Assistant Secretary, Ambassador Bond leads a team of 13,000 consular professionals in almost 300 locations across the United States and around the world who protect the lives and interests of U.S. citizens abroad, facilitate legitimate international travel, and help protect our nation’s borders.
4. Gentry O Smith
https://www.state.gov/m/ds/131647.htm
Gentry O. Smith became Deputy Assistant Secretary (DAS) and Assistant Director for Countermeasures on October 26, 2009. He holds the rank of Minister Counselor in the Senior Foreign Service.

As the Countermeasures DAS, Mr. Smith supervises development of the Overseas Security Policy Board security standards and Department of State policies associated with the physical and technical security of U.S. diplomatic missions around the world.

He is responsible for the Office of Security Technology, which assists in providing a safe and secure environment through the application and use of appropriate technical security countermeasures, and the Office of Physical Security Programs, which directs and develops worldwide physical security standards, policies, procedures, and guidelines for protecting personnel, facilities, and national security information.

Mr. Smith is also responsible for the Diplomatic Courier Service, whose personnel provide secure and expeditious delivery of classified material to U.S. diplomatic missions globally.
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tandav wrote:Unless there is drastic course correction under Trump and the blatant lies that seem to be the cornerstone of his presidency so far, this is eroding any respect that USA had among other countries. China is poised to step into the vacuum. Already China has fired warning shots against the USA by siding with Palestine and this will give them solid brownie points in the Muslim world, and most Muslim majority nations will accept the Sinification of Islam in some form by accepting the hanification or han pacification of the Uighurs in order to gain Chinese support against the USA.
Good post, but many moving parts.

1) Trump's view were dominant before this "Global trade" view became the norm, so really, nothing new there. BTW, the unions of those days were opposed to NAFTA and Clinton (a Democrat) had to push it to get into force!!! Go figure.

2) Dealing with your post sequentially, "blatant lies that seem to be ..." is nothing new. False news has always existed. What is new is, in the past year or so, the number of people who believe in it is disproportionately large. But, that is a diff thread - valid one tho'

3) China stepping into that vacuum - we need to wait. For teh following reason

4) Trump can move FAR faster to make deals with each individual nation than China can to deal with a group of them. IF China decides on moving to compete nation by nation, then China is following the Trump model

Just yesterday the probable nominee to rep the US at the EU (looks like he is a Prof at Reading (yikes)) very clearly stated that a) The US-UK deal could be struck in 90 days b) It really does not matter what the legealese is within the EU, but it will never impact a deal between the UK and the US (EU had stated that the UK must wait till it leaves the EU - in two years?) and C) will the EU - as we know it - survive in a year or two, the Euro is a dead duck

Take it for what it is worth, but, the point is that there are too many moving parts and the ONLY person I can see who is cool about all this is Trump (and perhaps Modi). Everyone else is following. China can bleat as much as they want (IMHO of course).

Chinese diplomats and leadership are probably working furiously overtime to tell the entire Middle east and other Muslim majority countries to come under the Chinese security blanket and Nukes and step away from the USA provided Nuclear umbrella. China can easily now become the savior of the Muslim Ummah, with support from Russia. Heck today if China offers adequate compensation the finest minds who are working in USA academics will be willing to come work for China, just as Russian Scientists post the Soviet collapse worked for Chinese special projects.
Too much credit to a China political mind. They have stolen techs for adv planes and got nowhere. They did something similar for a carrier and are getting nowhere (outside of threatening the IOR!!!!) (NPR had a bit on Trump's two China policy, every expert said it is not desirable, but push comes to shove China stands no chance.) China, IMHO, is a flash in the pan. BUT one that we must take seriously.

On Russia, it seems strange that American leaders are complaining about Trump being so close to Russia and we are still promoting China-Russia (check the sequence, 10 years ago it used to be Russian-China)? I happen to think that a major card in the Russian deck is Trump. I do not think Putin can play Trump either. To me this is the cold war times with China as the major player behind the iron curtain. Not as bad as the old times, but the ground shakes in that direction.

I happen to think Trump will "concede" much of all else to Russia - Syria, Ukraine, forward states in NATO, sanctions on Russia, etc. But ISIS, A'stan and SCS are three points I would like to keep a close track of.

On a sid enote: US minds can leave, but they can never take their stuff with them. There is a huge collection of hardware and data that is all over the place, that will never go across. Just the way the Chinese "stealth" crafts will be a punctuation marks in time, so will these folks.
I hope our foreign policy folks are also working to India's best interest in this world.
Modi has had a game plan, that he seems to be adhering to. It has no relevance to anything anywhere - as far as I can see. And, I think his plan fits both models or even keeping out of either, very well. At a high level it is a Trump model (the other way around actually), in that both are designed to benefit local employment. And, as an aside, both IF implemented properly benefit the trading partner/s too.
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tandav wrote:
I hope our foreign policy folks are also working to India's best interest in this world.
Tandav ji,

Eleven is making a lot of noises about he leading China from a industrial economy to a service economy. While he has a long term perspective, why would any nation give up its industrial economy? Its the actual thing which brings about prosperity. Unlike the spiel that service sector economy is the progressive evolution, I think this is nonsense. If that was the case, why would Trump demand return of manufacturing jobs back? OBOR is a hope by which China wishes to keep its cake and eat it too. And that might be hard to pull off.

Besides academic research proven by empirical data also shows for a nation state to go towards service sector economy from industrial one, they need to open up i.e. become democratic. Recently Eleven was decreed as the core leader by the commies. He is only the third after Mao and Deng to get this title. Democracy can wait.

Why would western academicians move to China? If money is the main motivation then its a poor long term one. And to live is a closed society (which is likely to happen as dynamics of economy, energy and environment play out), wont be inviting enough for the western academics. I am happy to be corrected.
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NRao wrote:
China, IMHO, is a flash in the pan.
India must take care to not be singed by the flash when it happens.
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Top State Dept Leadership Resigns En Masse
Ah! They DID resign en masse. Stated as the above, it comes across as a herrowic soosai act of protest.

In fact ALL the big baboon had to "resign en masse" per the prevailing custom.
But THEIR resignations were gleefully accepted.
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ramana wrote:
NRao wrote:
China, IMHO, is a flash in the pan.
India must take care to not be singed by the flash when it happens.
There must be an echo in the room. :?:
China, IMHO, is a flash in the pan. BUT one that we must take seriously.
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DTTI: First signs good but India to wait and watch on defence ties with US



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The Digital Helmet Mounted Display and Joint Biological Tactical Detection System projects were proposed last year and are currently “at a discussion stage”. Besides these six joint projects, India and the US formed five joint working groups in addition to the original two working groups under the DTTI.

Among the two American proposals under the consideration of the Defence Ministry is an offer to include Israel for joint development and production of Advanced Tactical Ground Combat Vehicle (ATGCV). The US offer for trilateral cooperation on the futuristic military platform was made last November but official sources said that they are yet to make up their mind on it. The Defence Ministry is likely to convey its decision to the Americans at the next DTTI meeting in March or April, which is scheduled to be hosted at the Pentagon.

“The ATGCV project potentially goes way beyond the Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) which we are developing indigenously here in India. The Americans feel that three advanced countries can bring their advantage of expertise and economy to the project which, if successful, could then be used by the armies of all the three countries,” officials told The Indian Express.

The American side also proposed bilateral development of Future Vertical Lift Helicopter (FVLH) in November under the DTTI. An announcement on the project is expected at the next DTTI meeting.
Despite General Mattis’s statement now that “the US-India (defence) relationship has been strengthened in recent years”, New Delhi remains unsure about the priority the Trump administration may give to defence cooperation. By all accounts, New Delhi will adopt “a wait and watch attitude”.
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"New Delhi will adopt “a wait and watch attitude”.

It's what ND has done for 70 years. :)
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ramana wrote:
NRao wrote:
China, IMHO, is a flash in the pan.
India must take care to not be singed by the flash when it happens.
Yup. Wok softly and carry a big chopstick.
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chetak wrote:
arun wrote:The US was just demoted from "full democracy" to "flawed democracy" :rotfl:

I would like to think that the US relegation to the ranks of “Flawed Democracy” in the Democracy Index compiled by the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU) will result in India being spared of the annual ritual of sanctimonious US fault finding that India is subject to by the Christist agenda laden United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) and suchlike. ……….. But then again on reflection, sanctimony is so deep rooted in the US psyche when it comes to dealing with “heathens” :wink: in India that it looks like I am likely to be disappointed.
UK, like an ant climbing on to an elephant's back, intent on rape.!!!

In spite of kerry's "request", the GoI banning Compassion International in India sends a very blunt message. Unmistakable, in fact.

USCRIF is not even a blip on this Indian Govt's radar.
I was watching Rex Tillerson's confirmation hearing, and one evanjiadi senator did bring up Compassion, and that they are being attacked for it's "unapologetic Christian belief". https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4645748/ ... ernational
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India had to have one of US NSA, SoD or SOS on the side of India.

Found this:
Mattis wrote:Recognizing that no nation is secure without friends, we will work with the State Department to strengthen our alliances.
Looks like he will not stand in the way of PACOM (Adm. Harris), but will not bat for India the way Carter did.

Not counting on Ge. Flynn.
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Bureaucracy slows down India-US partnership: US Army Pacific Force Commander
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Again, note that is a comment from PACOM. And, India forms the geographic boundary for PACOM.

Mattis being from CENTCOM will always think in terms of working with Pakistan. So far Mattis has not projected a stance that is detrimental to India and I do expect that in the next few years. But I think the golden era of Carter will only be achieved via more effort than has been expended in the past 2/3 years. And PACOM will need to lead, which is what they are doing.

And the Indo-US "strategic" relationship will work very well only in this thin slice. PACOM.
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Isn't she already one, in spirit and actions?

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^^^poor amy..someone pass on her a hijab and burkini
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Nope.

But, again, it will be *only* in relation to the Indo-Pacific region.

The only -ve I see is the speed at which these things move. Heck, just decide, either way, and move on.
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Posting because of a number of quotes - good data points.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

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Yagnasri wrote:http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/27/donald-t ... china.html

Someone is seriously dreaming.
Ally is fine, but I really hope we become a power of our own.
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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

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If we want to become a powerful nation, we can only become by becoming powerful. Not by being a running dog of US.
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