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manjgu wrote:looks rethink on IWT is hotting up..Modi ji taking briefing on IWT on Monday. we need more structures to impound more water. We also let lot of water into Pakistan on the 3 rivers allotted to India. Punjab cant let water into Haryana but ok with leaving water for Pakis.

According to 2015-16 Pakistan economic survey, “agriculture sector is a vital component of Pakistan’s economy as it provides the raw materials to down the line industries and helps in poverty alleviation impact.” In the last year, the farm sector contracted by -0.19 percent mainly due to decrease in production of cotton, rice and maize, the survey says. In other words closing the water tap, even partially, could result in famine and agrarian economic crisis for Pakistan that can lead to internal unrest. Pakistan government won’t be needing Indian military then to fight with.

Pakistan’s agricultural output, as that country’s economic survey points out, is closely linked with the availability of irrigation water (logically from Indus region). The situation is already bad. This is what the survey says:
During 2015-16, the availability of water for Kharif 2015 stood at 65.5 million acre feet (MAF) showing a decrease of 5.5 percent over Kharif 2014 and 2.4 percent less than the normal supplies of 67.1 MAF. During Rabi season 2015-16, the water availability remained at 32.9 MAF, which is 0.6 percent less than Rabi 2014-15 and 9.6 percent less than the normal availability of 36.4 MAF.

For Pakistan’s fragile economy, Modi’s water warfare will be tough to deal with even though it might still avoid a full-fledged war flashing its nuclear warheads. Having said this, it wouldn’t be easy for India to tinker with the IWT since it will raise questions on the fate of other international water treaties, mainly with China. It will be hard call for Modi to take, but not an impossible one if the PM convinces the world that his action is a necessary, unavoidable outcome of Pakistan’s continuing hostility on the Indian soil. Modi’s action on IWT will be justified then. But, that’ll push the country, born out of contempt in 1947, to the corner.
One can only guess the ultimate consequences then.

manjgu wrote: a) With the present infra/dams on various rivers, what is our capability to throtle Pakis during lean rain season. and otherwise. b) what can be done over next 3 years to throtle them more c) >3 years... what can be done ( short of abrogating the treaty a..b..c..).

The Indus	 Jhelum	  Chenab	 Total
----------  ----------   -------  -------
 70,000	   400,000	 231,000	701,000

River Name	                    General Storage (MAF)	Power Storage (MAF)	Flood Storage (MAF)
--------                        ------------------         ----------------    -----------------
Indus	                           0.25	                      0.15	               Nil
Jhelum (Excluding Jhelum Main)	  0.50	                      0.25	               0.75
Jhelum Main	                     Nil	                       Nil	           As in Para 9, Annexure E
Chenab (Excluding Chenab Main)	  0.50	                      0.60	                Nil
Chenab Main	                     Nil	                       0.60	                Nil

Aditya_V wrote:Since Pakis are using terror and everythign and anything against as, is there any way which we can drop in a few bombs with GPS tracker which we blow up at Paki dams. This will cripple Paki Punjab.

Aditya_V wrote:How? Ours will flow down with the current and theirs will need to climb up/ fly to dam gates apart from having propulsion for hundreds of kilometers.

The Hindu@the_hindu
India decided to suspend Indus water commission talks until #Pakistan -sponsored #terror in Indian ends: sources http://bit.ly/2d37BMh

Times of India@timesofindia
India to expedite construction of 3 dams on Chenab river— Pakul Dul Dam, Sawalkot Dam and Bursar Dam, reports news agency ANI

Lilo wrote:In addition to my previous post the Chenab(chandrabhaga) to Ravi link tunnel (opening into Budhil nala near Kugti) will be 30 Km only !

Time to start digging !

https://www.google.co.in/maps/@32.44300 ... 485089,11z

chetak wrote:

Aditya_V wrote:Since Pakis are using terror and everythign and anything against as, is there any way which we can drop in a few bombs with GPS tracker which we blow up at Paki dams. This will cripple Paki Punjab.

and what if they do the same to us??

la.khan wrote:

chetak wrote:
and what if they do the same to us??

Aditya_V: I don't know if we can do that, at least it will not be easy. Today, the only bomb that can take down a dam is a nuclear weapon. Or, huge amount of conventional explosives. The most recent when dams were blown up were in Europe, during the Second World War. I saw this in some Hollywood WWII film

Chetak: Pakis will NOT be able to do the same to us if we can ALWAYS maintain a certain amount of water in a dam. If they try something similar, the dam will burst, causing massive floods, anything downstream will be washed away, killing thousands of Pakjabis, affecting lakhs of Pakis, inundating millions of acres of arable land in Pakijab. The aftermath of this will be water borne diseases, food shortages, starvation/hunger, food riots etc.

symontk wrote:

Lilo wrote:In addition to my previous post the Chenab(chandrabhaga) to Ravi link tunnel (opening into Budhil nala near Kugti) will be 30 Km only !

Time to start digging !

https://www.google.co.in/maps/@32.44300 ... 485089,11z

I dont think we need to drill that much. Check the 3d map, you can drill from Murang, Kwang, Kamri to streams which join at Kugti. There is only a ICE covered mountain in between.

We can built a dam there (Murang, Kwang, Kamri) to bring up the water level and then get to the stream at Kugti

@ANI_news #FLASH: India to expedite construction on 3 dams on River Chenab; Pakul Dul Dam, Sawalkot Dam and Bursar Dam

https://twitter.com/ANI_news/status/780370073215119360

Dipanker wrote:^ Thanks Ramana, that is impressive bit of trivia I didn't know, hats off!

Dipanker wrote:

la.khan wrote: Aditya_V: I don't know if we can do that, at least it will not be easy. Today, the only bomb that can take down a dam is a nuclear weapon. Or, huge amount of conventional explosives. The most recent when dams were blown up were in Europe, during the Second World War. I saw this in some Hollywood WWII film

Force 10 From Navarone ?

ramana wrote:Dipanker, The movie was Dambusters and the RAF squadron was 633 Dam Busters Squadron.

the bomb was a spherical shaped weapon developed by Barnes Wallis.

la.khan wrote:

Dipanker wrote: Force 10 From Navarone ?

ramana wrote:Dipanker, The movie was Dambusters and the RAF squadron was 633 Dam Busters Squadron.

the bomb was a spherical shaped weapon developed by Barnes Wallis.

Ramana: This is the event you were referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chastise and the movie based on the event https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dam_Busters_(film).

I distinctly recollect it was a Hollywood film, and it was in colour. May be Force 10 from Navaronne. I recollect it was done by people on the ground, not with airforce bombers. The protagonists in the film, the Allies, want to stop Nazis capture a bridge but they do not have enough explosives to blowup the bridge; so, they target a dam a little upstream of the bridge, use up all the explosives to cause a breach of the dam. The breach eventually causes the dam to burst and the bridge downstream is destroyed. Typical Hollywood WWII propaganda, masala film

abhishek_sharma wrote:Paki: ‘INDUS TREATY CAN’T BE REVOKED UNILATERALLY’

ISLAMABAD: Afghanistan’s authorities with the help of Indian experts have completed the feasibilities and detailed engineering of 12 hydro-power projects with capacity to generate 1,177MW of electricity to be built on the river Kabul.If the 12 projects get completed, they will store 4.7 million acre feet of water squeezing the flow in the river reaching Pakistan.According to a document exclusively available with The News, Indian experts have completed the feasibilities and detailed engineering of the 12 projects to be built on the river Kabul. The authorities in Kabul after completing the tendering process will be initiating construction of multi-purpose water projects on the tributaries of the river Kabul with assistance from the international community. India plans to assist Afghanistan in this initiative, which will adversely impact on Pakistan. The documents also show that the World Bank will provide funding for the 12 dams that will cost $7.079 billion.The most ironic part of the whole episode is that Pakistan’s authorities have failed to develop water uses on the river Kabul as they failed to build the Kalabagh Dam at the site on the Indus where the river Kabul merges with the river Indus.The documents unveil that four hydro-power projects will be constructed in the Punjshir sub-basin. These include the $332 million Totumdara project which will generate 200MW of electricity and have water storage capacity of 332,510 acres feet; the $1.174b Barak project which will generate 100MW of electricity and store 429,830 acres feet of water; $1.078 billion Panjshir (100MW) project with the capacity to store 105,4300 acres feet of water; and the $607 million Baghdara (210MW) project with the capacity to store 324,400 acres feet of water.In the Logur Upper Kabul sub-basin on the river Kabul four more dams are to be built which include the $72 million Haijana project (72MW) with water storage capacity of 178,420 acres feet; $207 million Kajab (15MW) project with water storage capacity of 324,400 acres feet; the $356 million Tangi Wadag (56MW) project with capacity to store 283,850 acres feet; and $51m Gat (86MW) project with water storage capacity of 405,500 acres feet. Four more dams will be built in the Lower Kabul sub-basin, including the $442 million Sarobi project (210MW) with the capacity to store 324,400 acres feet of water; the $1.434 billion Laghman project (1251MW) with water storage capacity of 233,568 acres feet; and the $1.094 billion Konar (A) (94.8MW) and Kama projects (11.5MW).Pakistan and Afghanistan currently share nine rivers with annual flows of about 18.3 million acres feet (MAF) of which the river Kabul accounts for 16.5MAF, while River Chitral, which originates from Pakistan, contributes about 8.5MAF. After it enters Afghanistan this river is called River Kunar. It joins the river Kabul near Jalalabad and then re-enters Pakistan.“Afghanistan has the right to utilise water from the river Kabul as the total flow of Kabul River is 21,000 million cubic meter. But the river Kunar, which contributes 15,000 million cubic meter to the river Kabul, originates from Pakistan.“In the absence of major dams in Pakistan, it is feared that Pakistan will have to buy electricity from Afghanistan, which is the underlying purpose of the above mentioned plan of the Afghan government in collaboration with India.”
Talking about the 4.7 MAF water to be stored in 12 hydropower project being built on river Kabul, Mr Shah said that it was not correct as the water storage would not be more than 2 MAF. H. However, the Afghanistan if tries its best, it can use 2.5 MAF water from river Kabul to irrigate its plain lands at the maximum.