Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 31 Mar 2010 02:22

Pranay wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8592472.stm

Duplicate. Please see: viewtopic.php?p=847674#p847674

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 31 Mar 2010 02:37

arun wrote:Jamie Glazov editor of Frontpage Magazine interviews Vijay Kumar, who is running for the U.S. Congress as a Republican candidate from Tennessee.

The interview extensively covers Jihadi Islamic terrorism targeting non Muslims.

Reproduced below is an excerpt dealing with Vijay Kumar’s view of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in particular:

The Wrong Way to Fight Jihad

Posted By Jamie Glazov On March 26, 2010 @ 12:04 am In FrontPage.

……………………The real power behind Universal Jihad, in all of its manifestations, lies with the Pakistani ISI–the intelligence services of Pakistan–along with the Pakistani military, the Pakistani feudal elite, and the Islamic theological leaders. As a nation-state, Pakistan exists for two reasons: its pathological hatred of India and Hindus, and its parasitic dependence on American aid. Their leaders’ battle cry is always “Islam in danger” when they want to stoke the fires of Jihad, and of course Muslims are commanded by the Quran to go forth immediately when called to fight by their Islamic leaders.

Make no mistake: you can only solve the problem of Afghanistan when you address the problem of Pakistan, because Afghanistan is a client state of Pakistan. And you can only solve the problem of Pakistan when you address the problem of Saudi Arabia, because Pakistan is a client state of Saudi Arabia. ……………….
Read it all at Frontpage Magazine:

The Wrong Way to Fight Jihad

I read it all. A very knowledgeable person he seems. The comments are pretty supportive too. Lets hope he wins.

At long last a candidate from among our people who will speak the unvarnished truth about Pakistan in the United States Congress. Not a whitewashed deracinate like Bobby Jindal.

Yes, let's hope he wins. For anyone who is interested, please visit the below link to do something about it.

http://www.kumarforcongress.com/index.p ... Itemid=158

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 31 Mar 2010 03:45

We need to turn the "new water issue" around to the point that Pakistan wants Cashmere only so it can steal Kashmiris' water.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Mar 2010 03:57

Candidate Vijay Kumar:

Every year, we are paying Islamic tribute to Pakistan, Egypt, and Palestinians in hopes of maintaining a tenuous truce. We are not really giving them “aid.” It is nothing but Islamic tribute to keep them at bay.

We should call the Kerry-Lugar Bill the modern version of Jaziya.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 31 Mar 2010 04:26

A_Gupta wrote:Candidate Vijay Kumar:
Every year, we are paying Islamic tribute to Pakistan, Egypt, and Palestinians in hopes of maintaining a tenuous truce. We are not really giving them “aid.” It is nothing but Islamic tribute to keep them at bay.
We should call the Kerry-Lugar Bill the modern version of Jaziya.

...of the Dhimocratic party?

I wonder if this arresting of Christian militias will distract them from the Islamist ones, like what the ATS was doing before 26/11...

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 31 Mar 2010 04:54

The US gives money to Egypt so that it feels its the military equal of Israel, capable of deterring it in the cold peace. Both Israel and Egypt spend the vast majority of US military aid buying weapons from American corporations.

The gives money to Fatah to fight Hamas, which it views as destabilising. It also forks out money to compete with Iranian, Saudi, and even European influence in Palestine.

The bottom line is that the money is spent to purchase influence. Its a subsidy, not tribute.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 31 Mar 2010 04:57

In case of Paki onlee that $ giving can be called Zaziya as Paki makes demand and extract it from US .

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 31 Mar 2010 05:09

Prem wrote:In case of Paki onlee that $ giving can be called Zaziya as Paki makes demand and extract it from US .

Word on the street says that archanullah also has goven money 1500 cr to mahdi-e-dra so they dont attack any of his goatsheds.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Mar 2010 05:10

Johann wrote:....
The bottom line is that the money is spent to purchase influence. Its a subsidy, not tribute.

With regard to Pakistan, the US may consider it to be a subsidy, but Pakistan views it as something owed to them. When you see it in that way, many things regarding Pakistani attitudes become clearer.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 31 Mar 2010 05:28

Acharya wrote:
Prem wrote:In case of Paki onlee that $ giving can be called Zaziya as Paki makes demand and extract it from US .
Word on the street says that archanullah also has goven money 1500 cr to mahdi-e-dra so they dont attack any of his goatsheds.

But aint mehdi-e-dra involve with archanullah's goat's sister?

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 31 Mar 2010 05:29

Acharya,

That is close to 300mil. Are you sure? It is hard to belive 1500 number.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 31 Mar 2010 05:33

Acharya wrote:
Prem wrote:In case of Paki onlee that $ giving can be called Zaziya as Paki makes demand and extract it from US .
Word on the street says that archanullah also has goven money 1500 cr to mahdi-e-dra so they dont attack any of his goatsheds.

I doubt that number. it is too much, but who knows! {don't you doubt a reliable source of information as "the word on the street"}

A better way to use that money (fetches Rs 120 Crores per annum interest - can maintain 100-200 black water mercenaries) is to maintain a private mercenary group to kill these terrorists.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 31 Mar 2010 05:55

Naidu wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8595688.
Does it really take that much time to get the coup brigade ready? Or maybe they need the time to secure President Zardari before the shit hits the fan.

So the tabling of report is delayed till April 15. A little bird (someone who works in some UN office in Pureland) tells me that the advisory circulated to UN employees asks them to be careful because of parts of the report which is likely to incite violence in Pakistan. Employees are "working from home" as of now.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 31 Mar 2010 07:32

earth-e-shaster tries to outdo shrill's nutty nation in nuttiness.

every once a while an article comes along that begs for admin indulgence...

Osama tape delivered from India
Last time Osama seen in Bangalore
Uzair Hashmi Special Correspondent

Special Correspondent
Abu Dhabi—Diplomatic and media sources in the Gulf have traced the dispatch of Osama bin Laden’s recent audio statement to Indian city of Bangalore. According to a senior journalist the audio message of Osama bin Laden which was received last week by Al Jazeerah TV was sent via a courier from India. In his recent message Osama bin Laden had warned to kill American hostages if any of Al-Qaeda men was executed after summary trial by the U.S. court.

Area specialists confirm that at least one more such audio tape released in 2006 was also handed over to a courier in Hyderabad India who delivered it to contact in an Arab TV office in the Middle East.

Although no one is sure about the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden but some anti-terror experts have traced his last footprints and they say that he was last seen in India in the year 2003.

Area specialists also confirm that the last time places Osama had visited his two wives was in Hyderabad (India) and Bangalore making detour through Assam, Hyderabad and New Delhi.

Experts are confused as to how in 2003 when he was most wanted man of the world he could visit India without the blessings of the Indian government and Indian Intelligence RAW.

It is believed that the visit must have been facilitated by Indian government/RAW and the decision to allow him at least one visit showed that India did not consider Osama bin Laden to be a threat to Indian interests.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 31 Mar 2010 07:37

Banglore, Kerala

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 31 Mar 2010 07:54

Pakistan Arrests a Top Crime Official

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/world ... pstan.html

The Supreme Court ordered the arrest of a senior white-collar crime official on Tuesday, and threatened to send the nation’s top anticorruption official to jail if he did not swiftly seek the reopening of corruption cases in Switzerland against President Asif Ali Zardari.

The dramatic arrest in the magisterial courtroom renewed the confrontation between the Chief Justice, Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, and the civilian government. The battle has simmered since last December when the court effectively restored corruption cases, many stemming from the 1990s, against thousands of politicians, including Mr. Zardari, and asked the government to inform the Swiss judiciary that Pakistan wanted to continue to pursue cases against the president.

As president, Mr. Zardari is granted immunity from prosecution under the Constitution. But Mr. Chaudhry appeared to question the inviolability of the president’s immunity during Tuesday’s hearing, saying that Mr. Zardari or his legal representative had yet to claim immunity before the court.

...

Earlier this month, Mr. Sheikh was appointed head of the white-collar crime department of the Federal Investigation Agency, three months after corruption cases against him were reopened by the Supreme Court last December.

His arrest appeared to be intended as a serious signal to Mr. Zardari. Mr. Sheikh had served prison time in the same jail with Mr. Zardari, and was known as a friend of the president and the interior minister, Rehman Malik.

A member of the Pakistan Peoples Party, Asma Arbab Alamgir, said that the Supreme Court was “indulging in political victimization” against the party. “We don’t understand why the chief justice is adopting such extreme behavior,” Ms. Alamgir said. “The government is fully implementing the court orders. The government is totally cooperative.”

The chief justice also took aim at the chairman of the National Accountability Bureau, Naveed Ahsan, saying he was giving Mr. Ahsan until Wednesday to carry out an order to write to the Swiss authorities about pursuing the Zardari corruption cases.

The bureau is the state anticorruption agency dealing with politicians and government servants.

Mr. Ahsan told the chief justice that the government had refrained from contacting Switzerland because the bureau believed Mr. Zardari enjoyed immunity.

“You had 80 days, but you didn’t take any action,” Mr. Chaudhry told Mr. Ahsan. If Mr. Ahsan could not satisfy the court on Wednesday, he, too, would be arrested, Mr. Chaudhry said.

The government withdrew criminal proceedings against Mr. Zardari in Switzerland in 2008.

But the Supreme Court has indicated it regards the cases as extant because the former attorney general, Malik Qayyum, acted in a personal capacity, not as an official, when he told the Swiss that Pakistan no longer wanted to prosecute Mr. Zardari.

...

At the same time, the court demanded to know why $60 million in suspect gains of Mr. Zardari had been given back to offshore companies in his name rather than returned to the national treasury.

The public arrest of Mr. Sheikh, who was taken out of the courtroom in handcuffs, and the threat to imprison Mr. Ahsan provided another blow, said Babar Sattar, a constitutional scholar.

“So long as the Supreme Court is making sermons, the government can ignore it,” Mr. Sattar said. “But when it detains people, it will get harder for Zardari and the government to convince bureaucrats to stall on the court’s orders.”

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 31 Mar 2010 07:59

Abducted in Pakistan, rescued in Afghanistan

Heshmatollah Attarzadeh Niyaki, a commercial attaché at the Iranian consulate in Peshawar, was abducted on November 13, 2008, by three gunmen from Hayatabad. His guard was killed during the abduction attempt.

A Pakistani official said Attarzadeh “has been rescued from inside Afghanistan and there was no involvement of any Pakistani security agency in the rescue operation”.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 31 Mar 2010 08:17

Vivek_A wrote: Area specialists also confirm that the last time places Osama had visited his two wives was in Hyderabad (India) and Bangalore making detour through Assam, Hyderabad and New Delhi.

Don't dismiss this news. because of US pressure it is now very difficult to buy tickets from Banglore to Hyderabad via Assam. A company called "Kaalapani" is looking after the ticketing and sale. But in an indicator of "shining India" all the ticket vendors are Americans who have come to India to work as ticket vendors for Kaalapani.

This is for you paklurks.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 31 Mar 2010 09:00

This man says there is no Ummah, Chummah or Ghuuma, just Pure Inner Pakistan
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=231768
Bomb with the fuse lit

But, then, violence is common to Muslim political culture. Fourteen out of 37 caliphs were assassinated from 755 to 1258 AD, which is often described as the "golden age of Islam." In fact, according to a revealing article published in the Friday Times (March 26), "ninety years of Ummayyad rule witnessed hundreds of skirmishes between rival Muslim armies. These included the armed invasions of Medina and Mecca by Umayyad armies, when rocks and flaming arrows were rained upon the Holy Ka'aba until it collapsed". The fact that such data has been collated by Muslim scholars bothers some, because otherwise they could have dismissed it as "infidel" cant.Look no further than the condition of the Ummah today, where unity is a fantasy. Of course, the best example is Afghanistan where devastating civil wars among rival Muslim ethnic groups have pushed that area from the Palaeolithic to the Stone Age. And what is one to make of the report, published in Der Spiegel, that the Saudis are so keen that Iran not acquire nuclear weapons that they have consented to a Zionist entity overflying their territory and bombing an Islamic republic? Having attended two Islamic summits of yore, where intrigue and hostility were rife and the final communiqués filled with pristine hot air, one can personally vouch for the phantom unity among the Ummah. And one learns from former colleagues that privately many delegates to these conferences view Pakistan as they would a schizoid with a loaded gun. Certainly, no one who has had the opportunity of trailing behind a Pakistani prime minister visiting Muslim monarchs and presidents and canvassing for support for a cause as morally just as Kashmir, can deny how excruciatingly difficult it was to persuade them to agree. But now, of course, in their neighbourhoods Pakistanis themselves can bear living witness to just how little love lost there is among Muslims, notwithstanding their common nationality. Of course, intra-religious hostility is not a phenomenon confined to Muslims. Christians have an even bloodier history of such wars. As for Hindus the caste system is, in a sense, the institutionalisation of social hatreds. Therefore, why, one may ask, does one need to state the obvious? Because, in Pakistan the obvious is often overlooked or, when discovered belatedly, dismissed as hostile anti-Islamic propaganda

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Mar 2010 09:03

How does delaying the UN report on B.B's death by 15 days to April 15 help anyone?

Since Zardari asked for the delay, presumably it helps him. How?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 31 Mar 2010 09:16

Prem wrote:This man says there is no Ummah, Chummah or Ghuuma, just Pure Inner Pakistan
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=231768
Bomb with the fuse lit
But, then, violence is common to Muslim political culture. Fourteen out of 37 caliphs were assassinated from 755 to 1258 AD, which is often described as the "golden age of Islam." In fact, according to a revealing article published in the Friday Times (March 26), "ninety years of Ummayyad rule witnessed hundreds of skirmishes between rival Muslim armies. These included the armed invasions of Medina and Mecca by Umayyad armies, when rocks and flaming arrows were rained upon the Holy Ka'aba until it collapsed". The fact that such data has been collated by Muslim scholars bothers some, because otherwise they could have dismissed it as "infidel" cant.Look no further than the condition of the Ummah today, where unity is a fantasy. Of course, the best example is Afghanistan where devastating civil wars among rival Muslim ethnic groups have pushed that area from the Palaeolithic to the Stone Age. And what is one to make of the report, published in Der Spiegel, that the Saudis are so keen that Iran not acquire nuclear weapons that they have consented to a Zionist entity overflying their territory and bombing an Islamic republic? Having attended two Islamic summits of yore, where intrigue and hostility were rife and the final communiqués filled with pristine hot air, one can personally vouch for the phantom unity among the Ummah. And one learns from former colleagues that privately many delegates to these conferences view Pakistan as they would a schizoid with a loaded gun. Certainly, no one who has had the opportunity of trailing behind a Pakistani prime minister visiting Muslim monarchs and presidents and canvassing for support for a cause as morally just as Kashmir, can deny how excruciatingly difficult it was to persuade them to agree. But now, of course, in their neighbourhoods Pakistanis themselves can bear living witness to just how little love lost there is among Muslims, notwithstanding their common nationality. Of course, intra-religious hostility is not a phenomenon confined to Muslims. Christians have an even bloodier history of such wars. As for Hindus the caste system is, in a sense, the institutionalisation of social hatreds. Therefore, why, one may ask, does one need to state the obvious? Because, in Pakistan the obvious is often overlooked or, when discovered belatedly, dismissed as hostile anti-Islamic propaganda

Thanks Prem. I have archived the article. Fits in with a point I was trying to make in the India-US thread.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 31 Mar 2010 09:38

Thanks Prem. I have archived the article. Fits in with a point I was trying to make in the India-US thread.[/quote wrote:
With India and PakiSatan , its personal and every one ought to know this. There cant be peace unless Pakistaniat is removed from the Indian Continent.

archan · Post by **archan** » 31 Mar 2010 09:41

^^ Works well with the analogy - you can't sit with peace unless you get rid of your inner pakistani every morning.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 31 Mar 2010 09:45

A_Gupta wrote:How does delaying the UN report on B.B's death by 15 days to April 15 help anyone?
Since Zardari asked for the delay, presumably it helps him. How?

According to NYTimes and WaPo, the Pakis tried to delay it even more by asking the team to interview 2 Arab leaders of state who had talked to BB before the assassination. They also wanted the team to continue the probe since "Some new evidence had become available". So methink April 15 is just time needed to mount a campaign to bury the report.

OTOH one of the bideshi newspapers quotes a UN diplomat as saying that the report does not assign blame on anybody, but simply criticizes the army for lax security and doing a hosedown of the crime scene *and* the SUV! (didnt know the SUV was hosed too

must be peautification before listing it for resale

)

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 31 Mar 2010 09:45

archan wrote:^^ Works well with the analogy - you can't sit with peace unless you get rid of your inner pakistani every morning.

Kind of give new meaning to Piss process with inner Pakistan will go on regardless..

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 31 Mar 2010 09:56

Paki Dekhonomoney Indicators. At this ratio they double up the economy t0 300B plus by 2046 when India will be touching 40Trillion mark . India producion in 72

hrs equal to whole TSP with 350Million Abdulls.

Economic Indicators
Annual 2008/09
Foreign Debt $50.1bn
Per Cap Income $1046
GDP Growth 2.0%
Average CPI 20.77%
Monthly February
Trade Balance $-964 bln a month and has been like this for long time, without 3.5 Massars, they die quiet fast.
Exports $1.53 bln
Imports $2.50 bln

http://www.brecorder.com/

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Mar 2010 10:07

Prem wrote: Trade Balance $-964 bln a month and has been like this for long time, without 3.5 Massars, they die quiet fast.

Given that China (we are told) promised them Chashma-3 & 4 nuke reactors but simultaneously also refused to extend any credit to Pakistan, add another Massar, the IMF, to make it 4.5.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Mar 2010 11:01

Anujan wrote:OTOH one of the bideshi newspapers quotes a UN diplomat as saying that the report does not assign blame on anybody, but simply criticizes the army for lax security and doing a hosedown of the crime scene *and* the SUV!

Possibly true. The Terms of Reference was to investigate into the facts and circumstances of the assassination of Ms. BB. The duty of determining criminal responsibility of the perpetrators of the assassination remains with the Pakistani authorities. I have always felt that PML-Q Chief Chaudhry Shujaat and Mushy jointly worked on this project.

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 31 Mar 2010 13:30

As mentioned in my previous post
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 53#p844753
The President will be stripped of the authority to remove or force judges into retirement because they oppose his decrees. This is intended to make the judiciary an equal branch of government with the Presidency.
This is very significant, this is taking away power from zardari to give it to gillani! Also it will strengthen the CJP chaudhary who is also a pakjabi.
They can make zardari leave the presidency by taking up the unconstitutionality of the NRO by the CJP!
italics=edited now

29 march edition of nightwatch

The Zardari case is one specifically mentioned in the Court’s December ruling. If the “law takes its course,” to paraphrase the Chief Justice, there will be a new President of Pakistan this year. Thus far, Prime Minister Gilani is safe, though his wife might not be.

Pakistan Supreme Court issues corruption case threat

Pakistan's Supreme Court has threatened to jail the head of the country's anti-corruption agency unless he reopens hundreds of corruption cases.

The court said the chairman of the National Accountability Bureau, Naveed Ahsan, would be in contempt of court if he did not act within 24 hours.

Mr Ahsan is due to appear before the court on Wednesday.

A 2007 amnesty invalidated charges against top politicians and officials, but the court threw it out in December.

It has been demanding the revival of corruption cases ever since.

Several of the pending cases involve President Asif Zardari.

The court's decision to declare the amnesty illegal opens the way to possible prosecution for Mr Zardari's political allies, although he is still protected by presidential immunity.

It emerged only in late 2009 that more than 8,000 politicians and officials had benefited from the legislation.

Meanwhile, the director general of Pakistan's top police investigation agency, Ahmed Riaz Sheikh, has reportedly been detained on orders of the Supreme Court.

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 31 Mar 2010 13:34

According to nightwatch, Nawaz resisted passing of the legislation, can anyone get me a link?

And what cases are there against Gilani's wife?

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 31 Mar 2010 13:43

Prem wrote:Paki Dekhonomoney Indicators. At this ratio they double up the economy t0 300B plus by 2046 when India will be touching 40Trillion mark.

Prem ji, pliss to not extrapolate Paki dekhonomoney to 2046, such attempts cause jingo-heartburn on BR as we do not want Paki state and Pakiness to exist beyond 2020. Projection of their excuse of an "economy" will give paklurks hopes and ideas. Let them stay in the dark onlee!

sum · Post by **sum** » 31 Mar 2010 13:49

Exclusive: Taliban suicide squad chief speaks

Speaking to rediff.com from an undisclosed location via satellite phone, Qari Mehsud said: "A new series of suicide attacks will take place soon. The strategy is almost complete. The focus of the attacks will be once again on the military and other sensitive installations of the government."

Reflecting on the recent wave of US drone strikes that has rattled the insurgents, the Taliban suicide squad chief declared that the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan is strong, but it has shifted its policy to carrying out a guerrilla war, which is a key to success.

Qari Mehsud has for long avoided media focus. Some time ago, a section of the media had reported his death in a drone strike in South Waziristan. But his name cropped up again after a series of bombings in Pakistan's provinces.

"The fidayeen have recently carried out successful attacks in Punjab [ Images ]. I pay tributes to them for sacrificing their lives for a noble cause," Qari Mehsud said.

"We have a large number of suicide bombers around who could rock the country," he added. "The attacks will be carried out across the country, but the focus would be on Punjab where policies are made -- attacks inside Punjab have more influence than in the rest of the country."

Time to go and grab some popcorn for the next round of T-20?

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 31 Mar 2010 14:25

Indian-American group asks US to declare Pak a terrorist state

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Mar 2010 16:45

K Mehta wrote:According to nightwatch, Nawaz resisted passing of the legislation, can anyone get me a link?

Which legislation ? The 18th Amendment ? All Pakistani newspapers in the last few days are agog with the sudden u-turn of Nawaz Sharif.

K Mehta wrote:And what cases are there against Gilani's wife?

See here, for example.

Mr. Gilani was reported last week or so (I had posted that here) as confessing that he had to hurriedly transfer a lot of property to others just before elections in order to file his true worth before the Election Commission. Accordingly, he is now worth Rs 200,000 only.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Mar 2010 16:54

The more pious send six less pious to manure

Pakistani troops repulsed an attack by dozens of armed Taliban militants on a checkpoint close to the Afghan border on Wednesday in fighting that killed six soldiers and at least 20 insurgents, the armed forces said.

Wednesday’s attack by up to 100 militants occurred in the Bara area of Khyber, a tribal region home to a top supply route for troops across the border.

A statement from Pakistan’s paramilitary Frontier Corps said the attackers used several suicide car bombs, but that soldiers fought back, destroying the vehicles during the clash. At least 15 soldiers also were wounded in the attack, the statement said.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Mar 2010 17:34

sum wrote:Exclusive: Taliban suicide squad chief speaks

Why is he talking to rediff.com? "Via satellite phone from undisclosed location" - did rediff.com manage to find him, or did he initiate contact? What does it mean if rediff.com was able to convey a request to him? Given the theory in Pakistan that these Taliban are sponsored by India, why would Qari Hussain Mehsud talk to an Indian outlet? Why is rediff.com giving a platform to such a thug?

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 31 Mar 2010 17:56

Surely Mumbai needs additional public toilet facilities?

Dina Wadia’s claim on Jinnah House hits roadblock

Much to Dina’s discomfort, a copy of Jinnah’s will dated May 30, 1939, bequeathing his property to his sister Fatima Shah — which came to be legally certified and executed in her favour by the Bombay High Court in 1962 — was traced from the records of the city-based Custodian’s Office of Enemy Property for India, recently.

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 31 Mar 2010 18:14

SSridhar wrote:Which legislation ? The 18th Amendment ? All Pakistani newspapers in the last few days are agog with the sudden u-turn of Nawaz Sharif.

See here, for example.

Mr. Gilani was reported last week or so (I had posted that here) as confessing that he had to hurriedly transfer a lot of property to others just before elections in order to file his true worth before the Election Commission. Accordingly, he is now worth Rs 200,000 only.

Thanks SSridhar, seemed to have missed that one! I did some google searching after the post and found that she is in trouble because her name is mentioned as she got a loan payment waiver, thus benefited from the corruption. ~~What you mentioned is a different issue I think!~~ saw that is mentioned in the link you put up! not my best day i guess!

The news i read talked about change of name of NWFP, etc etc. Did not know this was a part of the 18th amendment! They have clubbed a lot of issues together for the amendment, so got confused

Bakistan is a happening place! Something or the other keeps happening!

SSridhar, you had said that the transfer of power to PM was according to CoDem, but it would still take away power from zardari, and give it to gillani right? As long as 10% is president and can nominate the next chief, kiyanahi's extension plans can be foiled.
What is your take on Nawaz's U-turn?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Mar 2010 19:07

K Mehta wrote:. . . you had said that the transfer of power to PM was according to CoDem, but it would still take away power from Zardari, and give it to Gillani right?

Of course, yes. But, when it was originally drawn up between BB & Nawaz at Dubai, Jeddah, London and Washington with inputs from the then ISI-chief Lt. Gen. Kiyani, the idea was to defang Gen. Musharraf. Nawaz knew that Ms. BB would be the PM (he having been barred under the terms & conditions of the Exile Agreement). Nobody, except Musharraf, Chaudhry Shujaat & Kiyani, were aware of what was about to happen. Musharraf thought that he would simply be able to continue as President and Chaudhry Shujaat was not averse to another one of a puppet Prime Minister from his own party. Musharraf had another plan up his sleeve also of becoming a PM and having a puppet President instead. All those plans went awry. Zardari was catapulted into power but, he had to honour the deal his wife had with Nawaz. He chose Gilani (in the same way Nawaz chose a mohajir Musharraf hoping that he would not have a base and an ambition for power or as ZAB chose his 'monkey-General' Zia-ul-Haq or Iskander Mirza chose Ayub Khan etc. etc.) over the loyal Makhdoom Amin Fahim and soon Gilani developed a mind of his own as it always happened in Pakistan. He was helped by Kiyani and Nawaz Sharif no ends, thus forming a triumvirate. Zardari resisted changes as much as possible, but domestic pressure built up so much and once he lost the case of refusing to re-instate CJP Iftikhar Chaudhry, with the intervention of the triumvirate, his fate was sealed.

What is your take on Nawaz's U-turn?

Nawaz based his objection to the 18th Constitutional Amendment at the very last minute. His own party members in the Constitutional Reforms Committee (CRC) never raised these objections. Nawaz especially objected to the name Pakhtunkhwa chosen for NWFP and the constitution of the committee that would make judicial appointment. The CRC and PML-N seem to have now agreed on the name Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and so only the strength and composition of the judicial appointment committee remains. Nawaz Sharif himself has challenges to cross and he wants to earn the gratitude of the CJP who already owes his re-instatement to him. So, Nawaz wants the incumbent CJP to consulted on the appointment of the successor and omit the Minister for Law to have any say in the matter. As a true Pakistani tactician, Nawaz cannot look beyond his feet.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 31 Mar 2010 19:09

Apparently the thing is going to be signed in an hour or so. And as SSridhar-ji said, it is not NWFP anymore, it is supposedly Khyber-Pukhtunkhwa