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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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MurthyB wrote:
Sadanand Dhume has been delivering regular blows to echandee at the WSJ. That an SDRE sitting at the WSJ is delivering this is doubly painful, especially to the "liberals", who had a whole orgy of outrage last year. But much water has flowed down the Indus, as well as many more such articles, so now they appear to be resigned to it. The most recent was Bangladesh, 'Basket Case' No More
http://results.cwgdelhi2010.org/en/Root.mvc/Medals

BD got a medal and TSP got a life sentence. What a day. Faisal may never get a medal, but he sure will get a metal while Gubo in prison.
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^^^ wrt to post of harbans above , please check out today's informative blog by pundita.
Pundita explains reality to Rachel Maddow and the Pakistanis to Gen. Petraeus ...
Some excerpts (read it in full, if you like): (BTW I have written to Maddow in past - just to correct some "facts" she was wrong with and which could easily be checked - a very friendly letter and was fairly disappointed in her that she did not correct herself)
MSNBC TV talk show host Rachael Maddow has expressed alarm that the U.S. theater of war is 'expanding' into Pakistan and so she's analogizing Pakistan to Cambodia; this on the misinformed theory that the Afghan War can be likened to the Vietnam War....

Ms Maddow, as with every American news-talk personality from every part of the political spectrum, knows nothing about South Asia and cares even less. And what she understands about the war on terror could fit in a teaspoon; again, she has plenty of company among America's commentators. 8)

So the only reason I'm taking up your time and mine to mention her comments is that John Batchelor has also gotten on the Cambodia kick. And while John's reasons for alarm are far more complex than Ms Maddow's, he too is concerned about signs that disagreements between Rawalpindi and Washington are escalating into an open armed conflict that will result in a declared war between Pakistan and the USA.



Before John and Ms Maddow burst into tears, the editorial [WaPost today] correctly points out that the Obama administration has plenty of cards to play without sending the Marines into Pakistan... The problem is the Obama administration (and its predecessors during the past half century) understand only slightly more about the Pakistanis than Ms Maddow, which is to say almost nothing at all -- a failing shared by military advisors to General Petraeus and his predecessors in Afghanistan and going back to the dawn of the Pakistan state .....

Thus, I have sympathy for Ms Maddow's alarm, and John's....



There is Pundita blog; I've been told by several Indian readers who're very knowledgeable about Pakistan that they learned things about Pakistanis from my writings that even they never knew before.

There's no American, no Westerner, writing about Pakistanis who knows them the way I do. That explains why, with all the harsh things I've written about Pakistan, I've never received as much as one letter of protest from a Pakistani, even though this blog is read in Pakistan. They are silent because they know I really know them. 8)


Yet there is not one single academic in the entire United States of America who will present credentials, and who is sufficiently knowledeable about Pakistan ....

If you believed me, you might be shocked at the dearth of reliable advisors on Pakistan. I've asked my readers several times to study Nils Gilman's Mandarins of the Future: Modernization Theory in Cold War America. The history details how a small group of American academics who found favor in official Washington sowed havoc on a horrific scale because they understood nothing about peoples in parts of the world they were trying to modernize. Nothing. They understood nothing.

These lunatics were replaced by economists ...then with COINistas -- a group of military advisors who somehow found in the Malay and Vietnam counterinsurgencies guidance for how the U.S. should proceed in Afghanistan, and who knew nothing about the Pakistanis ....And here we are today.

.. the above is one way of saying that the current search for a new American grand strategy is a joke. Washington defense policymakers are the only people on Earth who whap themselves on the back of the head then yelp, 'Who hit me?' ...

The cards that President Obama is holding should have been played at least as early as 2002. Instead, the Bush administration struck a bargain with Pakistan's military because it didn't want to open up a full-scale theater of war on three fronts. This, despite the fact that within weeks of the 9/11 attacks U.S. intelligence had clear indications that Pakistan's military had been involved in the planning for the attacks.

As Bob Woodward's newly-published book on Obama's wartime decisions indicates, officials in the outgoing Bush administration warned him that Rawalpindi had stabbed them in the back. (Obama might have been warned even earlier, which could explain his fiery remark about bombing Pakistan.) ..

<snip>

Through a convergence of incredible flukes .., it quickly came to light that the Pakistan military and their fig-leaf intelligence branch, the ISI, was the master planner behind the Mumbai terrorist attacks. It was then that Washington and it's allies in NATO had consider the possibility that Pakistan's military, in the manner of a serial killer who becomes overconfident, was using terrorist outfits it controlled to get its way with Afghanistan. This included the stark warning to the United States and India to roll back India's influence in Afghanistan.

The warning was a smashing success ....-

The blunt reality was that while the economies of India, the United States, and Canada might absorb one or more Mumbai-style attacks, small EU countries couldn't. So the Obama administration continued to placate the West European members of the ISAF. This included fresh attempts to bribe Pakistan into better behavior and instructing Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke and General Stanley McChrystal to fawn over Pakistan's military leadership.


As we know real terrorists don't set bombs just to threaten. So, given the career history and connections of Shahzad's father, eyes turned again to Rawalpindi. Thus, SecState Hillary Clinton's strange public warning that she sincerely hoped for Pakistan's sake that there was not a successful terrorist attempt on U.S. soil....

....

Then came intelligence reports about planned Mumbai-style attacks in West European capitals -- attacks that were being prepared in Pakistan.

That's when Europe's NATO leaders finally confronted the truth about their dealings with Pakistan's military, which is that it's unwise to treat a tiger like an overgrown house cat. And so we return to The Washington Post editorial of today. I'll leave things here and pick up again tomorrow.

2:30 PM ET UPDATE
Regarding my contention that there are no academics willing to talk openly about Pakistan who are well-informed enough to give sound advice to Washington: A reader sent a quote from Mosharraf Zaidi's 10/4 opinion piece (Reading Woodward in Karachi) with the words, "I didn't believe you until I saw this."
Before 9/11, Pakistan's hot and cold relationship with the United States was the object of obsession for three generations of Pakistani foreign-policy analysts, but there were hardly a dozen serious Pakistan scholars in the United States. The imbalance was for good reason. America was a massive ATM for corrupt and lazy Pakistani governments -- especially military dictatorships.
Yes, and scholarship on Pakistan's history doesn't automatically equate to an understanding of Pakistanis.

Read it in full and comment!
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In today's Business Recorder (online edition) there is an article on non-performing loans (NPL) of banks in Pakistan. The striking thing is the statement "...NPLs have reached the alarming figure of Rs 473 billion and the scheduled banks' capital is roughly about Rs 550 billion." That is, more than 85% of capital of banks is tied up with NPLs! I wonder whose (IMF / ADB / Mr.John Kerry of 'Kerry Lugar Bill' fame ) turn it is to come to the rescue of banks of Pakistan.

http://www.brecorder.com.pk/index.php?id=1109363
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After torkham, Chaman is backing up too. What now, and how long?
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^^^^

From Nightwatch
One assessment found that overland shipment from the Baltic by rail across Russia to Afghanistan is exponentially cheaper than overland shipment from the Indian Ocean by truck to Afghanistan. If that study is accurate, the US payments for truck convoys from Karachi port to NATO forces in Afghanistan are a disguised form of American public aid, over and above the cost of transport.
Army Jernails own the trucking companies. You do the math.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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what is maddow's takaleef?

Maddow's and her fellow at NBC/ MSNBC are like WKK liberal and Paki lover. NBC/MSNBC/CNN/PBS/NPR are leftist and Pro Pakis.
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Al Jazeera: Q&A with Riz Khan
Participants: Christine *not* Fair & Talat Masood.
Topic : US-Pak relation in the context of Paki soverginity.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAe2K8qH250[/youtube]
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Basket case: Pakistan or Bangladesh? — Man suar Ejaz
The ideological direction taken by the present Awami League government will help the country to industrialise fast. A few months back, the Bangladesh Supreme Court struck down a 31-year-old constitutional amendment and restored the country to its founding status as a secular republic. Furthermore, the government has banned Abul Ala Maududi’s writings. A long-awaited war crimes tribunal will try senior Jamaat-e-Islami figures for mass murders during Bangladesh’s war of independence.

The Awami League government could take these bold constitutional initiatives because of public support for such actions. No government in Pakistan can dare to undo the constitutional provisions that make the country a religious state. As a matter of fact, democratic and military governments compete with each other to make it more religious. It is hard to envision how long it will take to halt the theocratic onslaught on society. Presently, no political force or institution exists that can usher in modernity and enlightenment in Pakistan. Therefore, Pakistan will remain mired in the web of religious ideology while Bangladesh has a chance to modernise itself. Nonetheless, given the fickle politics of Bangladesh, its future direction is not assured.
In the united Pakistan, the eastern wing, led by middle class politicians, had a basic contradiction with the western part, which was largely dominated by the feudals. Punjabi and Sindhi feudals were always scared of Bengali Muslim rule because they could have abolished feudalism. Muslim League was routed in the first election held after independence and the liberal-progressive alliance called Jugto Front was expected to win the 1959 elections. One of the main reasons for Ayub Khan’s martial law was to pre-empt the Jugto Front’s possible government at the Centre. Ayub Khan just delayed the process, because in 1970 the Awami League, a middle class party, swept the elections that led to the independence of Bangladesh.

Like the movement of Pakistan, Bengali Muslims led most of the democratic movements in Pakistan. The separation of East Pakistan took away the most democratic and enlightened force from the country. This is one of the reasons that no significant democratic movement has penetrated in Pakistan after East Bengal broke away in 1971.

In this historical backdrop, one can comprehend how Bangladesh can become a modern, secular state, unencumbered by the landed aristocracy. At present, Pakistan’s per capita of $ 2,600 is much higher than that of Bangladesh’s $ 1,500. However, given the socio-historical trends, Bangladesh may have far better future prospects than Pakistan.
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US may opt for Russian route for Nato supplies
As the Pakistani authorities have decided to claim approximately $600 million from the US-led Nato/Isaf forces stationed in Afghanistan as compensation charges for using the country’s extensive road network to transport food and military supplies to the war-torn Afghanistan, the Centcom has moved swiftly to open an alternate supply route to Afghanistan via Russia and Central Asia, bypassing the ambush-prone main supply routes through Pakistan.

The decision is set to hurt Pakistan in financial terms as Islamabad currently receives a huge reimbursement of economic and military services and logistic support provided to the United States. The high command of the US-led allied forces stationed in Afghanistan had earlier warned Pakistan that its failure to prevent rising terrorist attacks targeting the Nato/Isaf supply trucks travelling to Afghanistan via Pakistan could force them abandoning Pakistan as a key supply route for transportation of food and military supplies.
Well informed diplomatic sources in Islamabad say the Centcom’s decision to choose an alternate supply route to Afghanistan was prompted by Pakistan’s refusal to give a timeline for the resumption of the Nato supplies, which remain suspended at the country’s Torkham border with Afghanistan for a full week now.
However, the suspension of the Nato/Isaf supplies was not the only action taken by the Pakistani authorities. According to diplomatic sources, the decision makers in Rawalpindi and Islamabad further decided to claim $600 million from Nato/Isaf forces as compensation charges for causing damage to Pakistan’s extensive road network while transporting food and military supplies to Afghanistan since 2002
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Regarding: Reading Woodward in Karachi

MOSHARRAF ZAIDI,

Get a job and stop whining and that applies to all the Pakis.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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shynee wrote:Basket case: Pakistan or Bangladesh? — Man suar Ejaz
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At present, Pakistan’s per capita of $ 2,600 is much higher than that of Bangladesh’s $ 1,500. However, given the socio-historical trends, Bangladesh may have far better future prospects than Pakistan.
Is Pakistan's per capita income $2,600? Let us do some quick calculation. Its population is variously stated to be between 160 million to 180 million. Its GDP is below $200 billion (closer to $160 billion). That gives a per capita income figure of around $1,000 (at most)
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Wall Street Journal. This explains Carl Levin's smackdown of TSP.

White House Report Faults Pakistan's Antimilitant Campaign

By ADAM ENTOUS And SIOBHAN GORMAN
WASHINGTON—A new White House assessment of Pakistan faults its campaign against militants and, in blunt language, says the government and military have been unwilling to take action against al Qaeda and like-minded terrorists.

The unusually critical assessment, part of a report sent to Congress this week, appears at odds with more upbeat pronouncements by top Obama administration and Pentagon officials who have publicly praised Islamabad's performance in the fight against militants.


The report, viewed by The Wall Street Journal, also raises questions about the U.S.-led coalition's progress battling the Taliban and improving governance in Afghanistan just two months before the White House will review its war strategy.

President Barack Obama, in a letter to Congress accompanying the report, said he doesn't see the need for any adjustments in Afghanistan-Pakistan strategy "at this time."

The White House's findings on Pakistan could aggravate tense relations with the U.S. ally after a series of cross-border raids by North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces from Afghanistan prompted Islamabad to shut a key crossing used to deliver supplies to the U.S.-led coalition.

In recent weeks, the U.S. has stepped up missile strikes against militants on Pakistani soil, an indication that it sees Islamabad as unable or unwilling to act against these groups.
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Pulikeshi wrote:^ what is maddow's takaleef?
Maddow is a liberal and liberals are against the war in Afghanistan(except during the war in Iraq when they told everyone they were for the war in Afghanistan because it was the good war).
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In this historical backdrop, one can comprehend how Bangladesh can become a modern, secular state, unencumbered by the landed aristocracy. At present, Pakistan’s per capita of $ 2,600 is much higher than that of Bangladesh’s $ 1,500. However, given the socio-historical trends, Bangladesh may have far better future prospects than Pakistan.
Huh? $2600 per cpita of papistan?? What dollahs are these? zimbabwe dollahs?
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No cause for amusement - Khaali lid Husain
India's embarrassment by the startup debacle at the Commonwealth games (CWG) should not be cause for amusement for Pakistan which cannot hold a cricket home series with Australia, or any other visiting team, and which made a dreadful mess of the home series against Sri Lanka which first took assurances of a head-of-state-level security from the Pakistani government as a guarantee and then opted to play in Pakistan. The Sri Lankans were lucky to get back home alive
Amongst the reasons being quoted in the Indian and international media for the CWG pre-startup debacle, corruption has not figured as a prominent one. Any similar debacle in Pakistan and corruption would have been reason No 1.
India's real aim in hosting the CWG is to bring closer its dream of hosting the World Olympics in Delhi, which it started to develop after successfully hosting the Asian games in Delhi in 1982. India then took twenty-eight years for the next step -- hosting the CWG -- towards its dream. If the pre-startup mess is largely cleared, and the games end on a happier note than they began on, India may salvage some of its lost image. No country has declined to participate in the CWG in Delhi, even if individual athletes have. It must be said, however, that within the Commonwealth India is a crucial factor, and countries which would have stayed away from the CWG after the kind of pre-startup mess in Delhi, suffered through it in deference to India.
The reaction in Pakistan to India's embarrassment at the CWG pre-startup problems has been of exultation, most of all at the official level. There has been no soul-searching as to why -- if India can host the CWG even if with a troubling start -- Pakistan cannot hold national games or even games at its district, school and college levels. Instead, Pakistan has become a mere bystander, heckling India and applauding China. Corruption and poor governance have set Pakistan so far back in relation to India that regaining any kind of a developmental balance with it will be an awesome challenge which is increasing by the day as the country wallows and sinks deeper into the quagmire of corruption and incompetence.
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Hari Seldon wrote:
In this historical backdrop, one can comprehend how Bangladesh can become a modern, secular state, unencumbered by the landed aristocracy. At present, Pakistan’s per capita of $ 2,600 is much higher than that of Bangladesh’s $ 1,500. However, given the socio-historical trends, Bangladesh may have far better future prospects than Pakistan.
Huh? $2600 per cpita of papistan?? What dollahs are these? zimbabwe dollahs?
Probably by PPP and not in nominal value..
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What was known to BRF readers all along, but now officially admitted by Musharraf himself. :shock:
Musharraf admits Kashmir militants trained in Pakistan
Former Pakistani military ruler Pervez Musharraf has told a magazine that his forces trained militant groups to fight in Indian-administered Kashmir.

He told the German magazine, Der Spiegel, that the government turned a blind eye because it wanted to put pressure on India to enter talks.

India has always alleged that Pakistan trained militants in the 1990s.

But this is thought to be the first time such a senior figure in Pakistan has admitted it.


Mr Musharraf said in the interview that militant groups "were indeed formed" in part because of the international community's "apathy" over the Kashmir dispute.

The retired general also indicated that he did not regret the Kargil intrusion (by Pakistani soldiers disguised as militants) that led to skirmishes with India in 1999.
Is Mush trying to show the West that he has changed into a honest man now?
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bangladesh GDP iirc is approaching paki gdp and since both countries have similar population ....

paki statistics are also very suspect.
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Ambar wrote:Probably by PPP and not in nominal value..
I know. That was tongue-in-cheek. But perhaps, TSP should seriously consider reporting its econ-stats in zimbabwe dollahs not only to boost its H&D with reeeally large numbers but to rest confident in the glory that none else can or will follow on the path they are blazing.
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Ambar wrote:
Probably by PPP and not in nominal value..
You mean nominal, not PPP. Nominal doesn't factor in inflation.
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On dead as 16 NATO tankers torched in Quetta

QUETTA: At least one driver was killed as some unknown gunmen set at least 16 NATO tankers on fire early Wednesday morning in Hazar Gunji area in Quetta.

According to sources, the attack took place at about 6:00 a.m. Wednesday when some unknown gunmen riding on motorcycles opened fire at a NATO convoy parked at a parking lot some 15-minute ride from Quetta
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Someone is playing Mush against TSPA and TSP establishment. Mush should know better than that. Unless he is planning to turn the tables on the west with his natural paki perfidy, he is heading for sunroof lever.
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Nato may hit LeT in Pak http://www.deccanchronicle.com/national ... et-pak-965

Oct. 4: Nato military forces are preparing to launch an attack on Lashkar-e-Tayy-aba (LeT) terrorists inside Pakistan to appease India, intelligence reports here have claimed.

“The Nato forces, led by the United States, are ready to expand their attacks further inside Pakistan. They plan to hit Lashkar-e-Tayyaba camps in Paki-stan,” a senior government official said. The Nato forces are already under fire in Pakistan for crossing the Afghan-Pak border four times in recent days and killing several people, including three Pakistani soldiers.

The whole plan, the official said, “is to appease India”, which has been demanding such action for some time as “Pakistan has failed” to handle terrorists. Recent statements by top US military against the LeT has strengthened the belief within Pakistan that the US is planning to target activists of the Hafiz Mohammad Saeed-led Jamaat-ud-Dawa, which is considered to be a front for the LeT. US officials have said that the Afghan Taliban, Pakistani Taliban and LeT are linked to each other, and “they are one and the same people”.

Sources claim that US Special Forces are secretly operating in the Afghan provinces of Kunar, Nuristan and Nangarhar to monitor the LeT’s activities.
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^^
Psyops against TSPA to do GUBO with uncle. I won't read much into it. Remember the orbat artice about India sending 100,000 soldiers to Afghanistan?
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About 150 Nato trailers detained at Chaman border

CHAMAN: Pakistan Customs has detained 152 trailers and oil tankers at Chaman border carrying fuel and other supplies for Nato forces in Afghanistan after detecting some tampering with documents.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/world ... ss&emc=rss

supply trucks attacked again. who will blink first? I predict the US will cave in and hand over another $1b
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shravan wrote:About 150 Nato trailers detained at Chaman border

CHAMAN: Pakistan Customs has detained 152 trailers and oil tankers at Chaman border carrying fuel and other supplies for Nato forces in Afghanistan after detecting some tampering with documents.
Pakis are complaining about tampered documents. :rotfl: Their game plan to cause takleef to US is so obvious. Things are fast spiralling out of unkil's control and they will be forced to openly confront TSP. But trust the GUBO biatch to downhill ski pretty fast before reaching the tipping point. Any way good fun to watch.
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Singha saar you think US will blink? I have a feeling it would be different this time. An H&D saving solution can always be reached where Pakis will cry jeehaard infront of mango public and unkil will get what he wants.
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Pakistan envoy links drone strikes to Europe terror plot

Increased US drone strikes in Pakistan’s tribal areas are linked to a terror plot targeting Europe, Pakistan’s US envoy said Wednesday, amid mounting fears that Al-Qaeda is planning a wave of attacks.
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^^^ If NATO really wants to cause re-actionable takleef in Pakistan, all they need do is gently let it be known that DC is considering 'allowing' India to take out LeT assets even within TSP.

That should set packee assess on high fire releasing enough soot to cover the entire baluch desert.
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r_subramanian wrote:
At present, Pakistan’s per capita of $ 2,600 is much higher than that of Bangladesh’s $ 1,500. However, given the socio-historical trends, Bangladesh may have far better future prospects than Pakistan.
Is Pakistan's per capita income $2,600? Let us do some quick calculation. Its population is variously stated to be between 160 million to 180 million. Its GDP is below $200 billion (closer to $160 billion). That gives a per capita income figure of around $1,000 (at most)

Well this is Pakistaniyat for you. What you would flush down the toilet without a second glance is preserved and propagated as sacred by Pakistanis.
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Pakistan steps up construction at Khushab
"Construction of the third reactor has progressed more quickly than the second reactor. This is evident when comparing the two reactors at similar points in their construction," said Paul Brannan of the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS), a private US group which is critical of nuclear weapons.

From the time of initial clearing and excavation for the second reactor, it took at least six years before its cooling towers appeared complete in commercial satellite imagery.

In contrast, it took Pakistan less than fives years from when initial excavation is visible in commercial satellite imagery until the third reactor's cooling towers appear finished, he said.
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Dilbu wrote:Someone is playing Mush against TSPA and TSP establishment. Mush should know better than that. Unless he is planning to turn the tables on the west with his natural paki perfidy, he is heading for sunroof lever.

Obama and his team has no capibility to manupulate Pakis. I strongly feel that Mush has offered to replace Zardari on the promise that he will reel in Pak army and end terrorism in Afghanistan and India. He will become President, break this promise first in regard to Indian and then in regard to Afghanistan. In this process US will off course gift another US$ 10-20 Billion dollars to Pigs.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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All these political changes that take place in Pakistan are merely to give USA a fresh hope of influence and success. So a new way is found to milk the Americans off their dollars. For a few years, say 5-6 years, the new dispensation in Pakistan keeps on assuring USA, that it is a new dispensation, and USA should exercise some restraint and put less pressure. In the next couple of years there is rancor and when the USA starts showing frustration, Pakistan changes the players.

Americans just never learn.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Another attack on NATO tankers.
NATO supply trucks attacked in Pakistan
Gunmen launched another attack against NATO supply trucks in Pakistan Wednesday, the latest in a series of attacks on the supply chain for the war in Afghanistan.

Police said about a dozen gunmen attacked more than two dozen fuel tankers bound for NATO troops in Afghanistan as they sat in the parking lot of a roadside hotel on the outskirts of Quetta, the capital of Balochistan province.

At least one driver was killed and more than two dozen vehicles were destroyed by fire that spread quickly from vehicle to vehicle, said senior police official Hamid Shakil.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Pak not doing enough to eliminate terrorists: US
Pakistan is not doing enough to combat terrorists and extremists in its restive tribal belt where some of the most wanted insurgents are hiding, says a new White House report, which also censured President Asif Ali Zardari's leadership.

"The Pakistan military continued to avoid military engagements that would put it in direct conflict with the Afghan Taliban or the al-Qaeda forces in North Waziristan," the 'Wall Street Journal' reported citing the 27-page White House report which is to be given to Congress.

The declassified report seen by the 'Journal' also expressed concerns about Pakistan's refusal to send more troops to the lawless tribal area, which is believed to be hiding some of the most wanted insurgents who are attacking American troops in Pakistan.

"This is as much a political choice as it is a reflection of an under-resourced military prioritising its targets," the report said.
It was fun to watch this ping-pong by unkil and TSPA. I am getting bored now a days.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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British terror suspect 'was head of The Islamic Army of Great Britain'
The British terror suspect killed in a Pakistan drone strike last month had been elected leader of an al-Qaeda group called The Islamic Army of Great Britain, according to reports.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... itain.html

Xcpt:
A senior Pakistani security source told BBC's Newsnight programme that Abdul Jabbar was a British citizen who has a British wife and was living in Punjab, Pakistan.

According to the source, Jabbar was living in Punjab, and was chosen as the leader of a new group, to be called The Islamic Army of Great Britain.

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How the Mumbai terror attacks changed British anti-terror tactics The decision was apparently made during a meeting in the North Waziristan region of Pakistan three months ago, attended by 300 militants and monitored by intelligence agencies.

The source said the new group was set up to organise synchronised terrorist attacks in the UK, France and Germany. It was this intelligence that led to the missile strike by a US unmanned aerial drone on September 8 which killed Jabbar and three others.

The suspects, who are also said to have included a number of German nationals, had been hiding in the tribal areas of North Waziristan at the time.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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With the current situation deteriorating do we assume that there will be a full blown war between unkil and TSP ?

What will be the implications vis a vis India ?
In such a case should India take what is rightfully her's ? (ie. POK) (should India create circumstances which allow it to follow this agenda?)
How will china play out in this scenario ?

Too many questions so little time ( I hope , lol ) !!
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Rajdeep wrote:With the current situation deteriorating do we assume that there will be a full blown war between unkil and TSP ?

What will be the implications vis a vis India ?
In such a case should India take what is rightfully her's ? (ie. POK) (should India create circumstances which allow it to follow this agenda?)
How will china play out in this scenario ?!
What we need is a different power center in Pakistani Areas - some group that is less anti-India, and not beholden to PRC.

We need a regime change in Pakistan. Pakjab has to be forced to become our whore, available at our beck and call.

It doesn't matter how we do it - through carrots or by squashing its head to pulp. Psychology of whores however says that some degree of violence on them is required to keep them on the leash. (My apologies to the profession of prostitutes on this).

Indians have to imagine themselves being the masters of the Islamist attack dogs. If we want we should be able to send them to Xinjiang or for that matter anywhere else.

One way to do it, is to kick the Indian Ulema in their backsides and tell them to grow themselves some spine and do some patriotic work. Through them, we should work on the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia, who actually control the moods and religious fervor in the badlands of Pakistan.

On the one hand we should push back the Wahhabi influence in India and on the other hand get a grip over the movement through the Wahhabis.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Mazdak is really the uber RAPE who thinks he is enlightened and moderate. Some gems that could well have come from GHQ:

"But India’s reaching out to Washington and Israel with such indecent eagerness would not have pleased the country’s founding fathers."

"I also pointed out that given the fact that Pakistan’s defence policy was entirely shaped by our generals, and they were not under any civilian control, they would have to be reassured before there could be any modification in Pakistani policy."

"I reflected for the umpteenth time on how well Indians and Pakistanis get on abroad." (Tell that to mohammed hanif who spat venom in Kera)

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ations-600
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