Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

[NRao]

funny thing is everyone knows, even the future, and is unable to do anything.

Life is silly. And, makes good people impotent.



If a all there is a lesson to be learnt here it is that it is much cheaper to act now than to - if at you get a chance to - act later.

[Karan M]

Turkish Altay tank sees Pakistani and Saudi interest

A Pakistani buy funded most likely by the Saudis since the bhikhaaris cannot possibly afford them on their own.

what happened to al-khalid? the al-dildo of bakistan named after their arabian fathers?

[Aditya G]

Pakistani Naval Modernization Appears Stalled

PN is facing multiple & simultaneous pressures:

1. Fleet strength. PN was fairly well placed 10 years back when the F-22Ps were coming online and one OHP class frigates were to be transferred. Amazons are on extended life support and F-22P induction has stopped after 4, with just 1 constructed at Karachi. They could have bought more Azmats but even that is tardy with just 2 platforms inducted and 1 recently laid or launched.

The once potent aviation fleet is also hit after mehran and the recent induction of ATRs and local Paki UAVs is hardly good enough. No MRH in pipeline. How long will those 6 sea kings soldier on?

2. Quality of platforms There most advanced and newest equipment is all a generation old. UAVs, ATRs, F-22Ps are far from cutting edge.

3. Capabilities No PDMS, no MR-SAM, doubful EW, no sattelite comms, ELF facilities etc

4. Relative disparity on all of the above compared to its principal adversary

PN has done good on some counts:

1. Dispersal of assets, including creation of a new naval base (JNB)

2. Induction of new Pak Marine battalions (however hardly any amphib capability). This branch is also responsible for force protection and air defence.

3. Creation of Nuclear command.

[fanne]

And subs

[Karan M]

Pakistan Navy is living upto its requirement to be the navy of terrorist state of pakistan. Having no worthwhile surface assets, they think they can get away by relying on subs, subs, subs.

[NRao]

Revealed: Why Sri Lanka Backed Off the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder

[SaiK]

Rockwell Collins to support Pakistani C-130 fleet
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Securi ... 453232166/

Rockwell Collins will deliver 11C-130E model kits and 5 C-130B integrated avionics suites and kits to Pakistan.

WASHINGTON, Jan. 19 (UPI) -- Rockwell Collins has received a $30 million contract to provide manufacturing and technical services for the Pakistan Air Force's fleet of C-130 aircraft.

In addition to technical support, training and installation services, the contract also includes the delivery of 11 C-130E model kits and five C-130B integrated avionics suites and kits. The company will also be tasked with developing a consolidated flight manual for C-130 E and B variants, as well as checklists and maintenance supplements to help the PAF sustain their fleet.

Work on the contract, which comes through a foreign military sale to Pakistan, will be performed at the Nur Khan Base in Islamabad.

C-130 aircraft are designed for transportation of troops, equipment and additional supplies, and are also used for humanitarian and disaster relief missions.

[NRao]

PPP's ex-envoy to US, Indian lobbies working against F-16 deal: defence minister

Defence Minister Khawaja Asif during a National Assembly briefing on Tuesday said that a deal with the United States for the procurement of eight F-16 fighter jets is facing delays due to "some lobbyists working against us there".

He said an Indian lobby, as well as Pakistan's former ambassador to the US are "working against us" and had approached the US House of Representatives to lobby against the sale.

Read: F-16 sale delayed in US Congress

"Some lobbyists there are working against us. They have approached the House of Representatives. The Indian lobby is there too and the former envoy to the US from the PPP government is also working against us, saying that these F-16s should not be given to us."

Asif said that despite lobbies efforts, "as of today, the US is committed to providing us eight F-16 fighter jets", adding that the jets which were instrumental during Operation Zarb-i-Azb were to be used for anti-terrorist activities alongside the JF-17 Thunder.

Read: Pakistan in talks with US to procure latest F-16 jets: Air chief

The jets have a two-year lead time, he said, which means "if we start a contract today, they will give it in two years".
'No military alliance per se'

Talking about Pakistan's participation in the 34-state Islamic military coalition formed by Saudi Arabia to combat terrorism the defence minister said, "We don't have a military alliance with Saudi per se."

He added that the scope and participation of members in the 34-country coalition, although still undetermined, is being evolved.

Also read: Role in anti-terror coalition discussed with Saudi Arabia

The 34-state military coalition to combat terrorism was announced by the kingdom in December. Member countries, including Pakistan, seemed surprised at their inclusion in the alliance as they had not been consulted before being named as members of the coalition.

Despite confirmation by the government of participation in the alliance, the scope of Pakistan's participation in coalition has remained ambiguous since the initial announcement was made.

"Diplomatic, media and counter-narrative aspects are being discussed right now," Asif told the House. "We discussed all things with them, but the matter is still evolving."

"Consultations are ongoing," the defence minister said, cautioning it would be premature to form an opinion on the coalition at this point. He assured lawmakers they would be taken into confidence when there is a development.

On mediation between Saudi Arabia and Iran in the face of escalating tensions in the Middle East, he said the meeting between Islamabad and Riyadh was "encouraging".

"The response was very good and with that spirit they are going to Iran," he said. 'Most defence cooperation with Kingdom of Saudi Arabia'

The defence minister also briefed the House on Pakistan's relationship with Saudi Arabia a day after the prime minister and Chief of Army Staff paid a visit to the kingdom to reportedly discuss the 34-country military coalition instead of touching on Saudi-Iran mediation as officials had earlier claimed they would.

"Compared to all the countries in the world, we have the most defence cooperation with Saudi Arabia. On average, we have five exercises a year with them," Asif said.

He listed five different agreements for defence cooperation with the kingdom:

1980 and 1982: Deals with deportationists for training
2005: Defence cooperation training, defence production, medical training, supply of weapons and defence equipment
2007: Defence training and counter-terrorism training
2012: National Defence University and Naif University agreement for training

He said 1,125 officers and other ranking paresonnel are in Saudi for various purposes, and that this number is increasing. "Their capacity and role over there is training and instruction... Cooperation between Saudi and Pakistan in the Ministry of Defence Production is being multiplied."

[shiv]

Revealed: Why Sri Lanka Backed Off the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder

Sounds like a echandee saving bluff to me. So many countries have been alleged to want the JF 17 after the mysterious announcement at Farnborough and none of them has come through. Blame it on India. "Oh the plane is first class. Everyone wants it. Only India is stopping them"

Furthermore I think Pakistan merely wanted to do a one-up on India by claiming that it is an exported of advanced combat aircraft - helping to cement its role as the "real India" - which is something they have desperately wanted to show the world ever since DJinnah got his moth eaten jihad state

[NRao]

The residual value of an old MiG-27, at no cost, is more than a brand new J-17 at cost.

[Singha]

this is supposed to be the 5th ISR intel a/c to join the armed forces

[Sid]

Revealed: Why Sri Lanka Backed Off the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder

Sounds like a echandee saving bluff to me. So many countries have been alleged to want the JF 17 after the mysterious announcement at Farnborough and none of them has come through. Blame it on India. "Oh the plane is first class. Everyone wants it. Only India is stopping them"

Furthermore I think Pakistan merely wanted to do a one-up on India by claiming that it is an exported of advanced combat aircraft - helping to cement its role as the "real India" - which is something they have desperately wanted to show the world ever since DJinnah got his moth eaten jihad state

It's story is similar to Al-Kha-Leedh (eat horse $hit) and Agosta.

Supplier sell their generals some full up factory to build obsolete equipment with promise that only they would be selling it to other countries. And Porkies with zero strategic influence and no guarantees, as their own existence cannot be guaranteed, are obviously not the prime vendor to sell hardware which require long commitments.

Plus bunder has kissed Mother Earth 3-4 times now, with no surviving pilots. Speaks volumes for a brand new fighter plane.

[Aditya G]

Whatever be the technology level of JF-17, it has a high brochure value in today's fighter market.

With JF-17 you get a brand new, 0 hours airframe with reasonable capability and modern "looks" unlike Chinese F-7s which probably are out of production any ways. The core components like engine are from Russia or China which are sanction free.

The achilles heel is lack of a dual seat trainer:

1.Small airforces may not want to buy advanced simulators (assuming they are available in first place).

2. Small airforces may not have other aircraft and units to build up pilot experience w/o trainer. PAF is a large airforce which can build up a pool of pilots on other aircraft such as dual seat F-7s before placing them in JF-17 squadrons.

3. Dual seat versions are today synonymous with precision strike capability, which is not possible with single seat in 3rd gen avionics and weapons.

I think the biggest competition to JF-17 is the Yak-130 and KAI T-50.

[Austin]

130 Pak Nuke Warheads Aimed At Deterring India: US Report

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/130-pak- ... rt-1268266

Washington: Pakistan's nuclear warheads which are estimated to be between 110-130 are aimed at deterring India from taking military action against it, a Congressional report has said.

The report also expressed concern that Islamabad's "full spectrum deterrence" doctrine has increased risk of nuclear conflict between the two South Asian neighbours.

"Pakistan's nuclear arsenal probably consists of approximately 110-130 nuclear warheads, although it could have more. Islamabad is producing fissile material, adding to related production facilities, deploying additional nuclear weapons, and new types of delivery vehicles," Congressional Research Service (CRS) said in its latest report.

In its 28-page report, the CRS noted that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is widely regarded as designed to dissuade India from taking military action against it, but Islamabad's expansion of its nuclear arsenal, development of new types of nuclear weapons and adoption of a doctrine called "full spectrum deterrence" have led some observers to express concern about an increased risk of nuclear conflict between Pakistan and India, which also continues to expand its nuclear arsenal.

CRS is the independent research wing of the US Congress, which prepares periodic reports by eminent experts on a wide range of issues so as to help lawmakers take informed decisions.

Reports of CRS are not considered as an official view of the US Congress.

"Pakistan has in recent years taken a number of steps to increase international confidence in the security of its nuclear arsenal," said the CRS report authored by Paul K Kerr and Mary Beth Nikitin.

Moreover, Pakistani and US officials argue that, since the 2004 revelations about a procurement network run by former Pakistani nuclear official AQ Khan, Islamabad has taken a number of steps to improve its nuclear security and to prevent further proliferation of nuclear-related technologies and materials, it said.

A number of important initiatives, such as strengthened export control laws, improved personnel security, and international nuclear security cooperation programmes, have improved Pakistan's nuclear security, the CRS said.

"However, instability in Pakistan has called the extent and durability of these reforms into question. Some observers fear radical takeover of the Pakistani government or diversion of material or technology by personnel within Pakistan's nuclear complex," the CRS said.

[rajsunder]

Turkish Altay tank sees Pakistani and Saudi interest

A Pakistani buy funded most likely by the Saudis since the bhikhaaris cannot possibly afford them on their own.

what happened to al-khalid? the al-dildo of bakistan named after their arabian fathers?

I would be happy if pak goes for the turkey's heavy tank. That way army would be forced to go for alternatives other than the tin-cans. And that would be a win-win for ARJUN.

[Karan M]

Plus bunder has kissed Mother Earth 3-4 times now, with no surviving pilots. Speaks volumes for a brand new fighter plane.

Any details?

[NRao]

Here is pure logic for you ............................ Somebody had to wake up in Paris and come to this conclusion!!!! Wow.

'Military aid to Kabul will cause more Pathankots'

[rkhanna]

Sid wrote:
Plus bunder has kissed Mother Earth 3-4 times now, with no surviving pilots. Speaks volumes for a brand new fighter plane.


Any details?

Yes please. I know of only one JF-17 crash.

[sooraj]

some Chinese website says 4 crashes

[brar_w]

Delay to F-16s down to 'Indian lobby', says Pakistani defence minister

Pakistani defence minister Khawaja Asif told the lower house of parliament, the national assembly, in Islamabad on 19 January that a deal with the United States for the sale of eight new F-16 fighters had been delayed due to "an Indian lobby" as well as Pakistan's former ambassador to the US, Hussain Haqqani, lobbying against it.

IHS Jane's has previously reported that the agreement, which was finalised in October 2015, was being held up due to opposition from some members of the US Congress.

Asif's remarks suggested that the Pakistani government was concerned at the highest level about the delay, although he stated that "as of today" the US government was committed to supplying the F-16s, adding that delivery of the fighters could take place in another two years.

Pakistan has never provided details of the types of fighters used in the past 12-18 months to carry out attacks on Taliban strongholds in the country's north Waziristan region along the Afghan border. Some Pakistani officials have suggested that Sino-Pakistani-built JF-17 Thunder fighters have participated in these air strikes, but a senior Western defence official in Islamabad told IHS Jane's , "The F-16s have more advanced capabilities and I suspect the central and key role in this campaign has involved the F-16s."

News of the delay to the next batch of F-16s has also revived memories dating back to 1990 when the United States withheld an earlier batch of F-16s on the grounds that Pakistan was making advances towards producing a nuclear bomb. Pakistan became a nuclear power in 1998 when it carried out its maiden nuclear tests.

"I don't think the delay this time around is comparable to the one in 1990," a senior Pakistani official said. "We do expect to receive them eventually."

Even though Pakistani officials believe that the eight F-16s will eventually be delivered, a discussion has been revived in official circles over the reliability of the United States as a supplier. This being the case, Pakistan is likely to probe other sources, especially China, for its next batch of more advanced fighters, ideally with twin engines to give the platforms a longer range.

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) also looked at the Russian Sukhoi Su-35 in 2014 and 2015 as a possible option for the future, although government officials said at the time they were not actively pursuing the Su-35.

Given their desire to go towards a twin engine fighter, perhaps a senior Pakistani politico may soon suggest acquiring some F-22's

[arun]

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Dexter Filkins in the New Yorker in an article titled “The Pakistani Dystopia”.

Implicates the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Punjabi dominated Military via their Intelligence arm the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI of involvement in acts of terrorism targeting India.

Characterises the detention of Terrorist Masood Azhar as a “Farce”.

Excerpts:

Imagine a country that is embroiled in a long and bloody conflict with its neighbor, and each time its democratically elected Prime Minister tries to reach out and make peace, his own army launches an attack to make sure the peace doesn’t take hold. You might think you were trapped inside a dystopian movie. Unless, of course, you’ve been to Pakistan, where this happens all the time.

This week, Pakistani officials said they had detained Masood Azhar, the leader of Jaish-e-Mohammed, a militant group, for his alleged role in overseeing the attack on an Indian airbase in the city of Pathankot earlier this month. ……………………………….

Azhar’s detention is almost certainly a farce, staged to placate foreign leaders. If the past is any guide, Azhar, who has been detained many times before, will soon be free and able to carry out more attacks. This is the way it has worked in Pakistan for years.

I’m not the first person to notice that Pakistani militants regularly try to sabotage peaceful relations between their country and India. Aparna Pande, at the Hudson Institute, has put together a chronology of these attacks.

But the important point is who backs, trains, tolerates and supports those militants: the Pakistani military and, most particularly, its spy service, known as the Inter-Services Intelligence, or the I.S.I.

For decades, the Pakistani military has backed insurgent groups whose express aim is to cross into India and fight. (The I.S.I. has also done this in Afghanistan, helping to create and sustain the Taliban.) The ostensible aim of these militant groups, and of the I.S.I., is to bleed India into ceding control over Kashmir. This has never been more than a fantasy, but it keeps the country of Pakistan focussed on something other than its intractable domestic problems, and it justifies the military’s bloated budgets.

That the I.S.I. plays godfather to groups like Jaish-e-Mohammed, which appears to have carried out the Pathankot attack, and Lashkar-e-Toiba, which launched the operation in Mumbai—the assault on the Indian Parliament appears to have been a joint operation of the two—is beyond doubt.

Read it all:

The Pakistani Dystopia

One more salvo by Dexter Filkins again writing in the New Yorker in an article titled “Pakistan’s Monster”.

Pins the responsibility for the Mohammadden Terrorist violence prevalent in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan squarely on the epaulettes of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and their Intelligence arm the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI.

With mention of Frankenstein’s Monster, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s claim of being a victim of Mohammadden Terrorism is not generating sympathy but instead a reminder that this is a self-inflicted wound caused by the Islamic Republic being “too clever by half”:

The tale of Frankenstein is the proper lens through which to view the attack by Taliban gunmen this week on a school in Pakistan. The assault, at Bacha Khan University in the city of Charsadda, killed at least twenty-two people and wounded at least nineteen. In this case, Victor Frankenstein, the scientist, resembles the generals of the Pakistani military, whose Creature is the out-of-control Pakistani Taliban.

For years—indeed, even today—the Pakistani generals imagined they could have it both ways: that they could support the Afghan Taliban while ignoring the Taliban inside Pakistan. The Pakistani military often aided the C.I.A.’s drone campaign in Pakistan, but, while the Americans wanted to go after both groups of Taliban, the Pakistanis typically only helped them with the Pakistani cells. The Pakistani generals were playing a double game inside a double game: they took the Americans’ billions and supported the Taliban fighters who were killing the Americans, and they secretly helped the Americans kill Pakistani Taliban in the C.I.A.’S drone war, letting the Pakistani civilian leaders take the heat.

Not surprisingly, the double-double game was too clever by half. As the Afghan Taliban flourished, the Pakistani Taliban, occupying the same safe havens in the tribal areas, spun out of Pakistan’s control.

From the New Yorker at the below link:

Pakistan’s Monster

[VinodTK]

Russian Military To Hold First Ever Defence Exercises With Pakistan

Moscow: In a sign of improving ties between the two erstwhile adversaries, Russia's military has said it will hold its first ever defence exercises with Pakistan later this year.

Russian ground forces will hold seven international drills in 2016, including the first ever military exercises with Pakistan, Army Commander-in-Chief Oleg Salyukov said.

"As part of interaction with our foreign colleagues in 2016, we have scheduled seven joint exercises with the involvement of the relevant units of foreign states. The Army will hold the Russian-Vietnamese exercise and the first ever Russian-Pakistani special drills in mountainous terrain," Mr Salyukov said, TASS news agency reported today.

Also, joint anti-terror command and staff exercises of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization will be held, he said.

"Peace Mission - 2016, the joint drills of peacekeeping forces of the Collective Security Treaty Organization codenamed Indestructible Brotherhood, the Frontier-2016 joint command and staff drills, the Indra-2016 Russian-Indian exercises and the Selenga-2016 Russian-Mongolian drills will be held," the commander said.

Russia had lifted its embargo on arms exports to Pakistan in 2014 and also signed a bilateral defence agreement to strengthen military-to-military relations between the two Cold War-era foes.
In 2015, the two countries signed a landmark deal for the sale of four Mi-35 attack helicopters to Pakistan.

[BharadwajV]

We all know how hard the Pakistani "Scientists and Engineers" have toiled to bring the FC-1 program into fruition...
We knew that the JF 17 would be flying with a South African Bolt-on A2A Refuelling probe and PAC Kamra had Alan Warnes take HD mugshots of the cheap b astard and circulate it all over the internet.
But it seems that the "Scientists and Engineers" at PAC were actually shovelling shyt.

Big daddy flight testing their probe on the FC-1.

[arun]

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s narrative of being blameless victim of terrorism does not seem to be negating the Non-Mohammadden world’s view that the terrorism afflicting the Islamic Republic is the blowback of their own actions in fomenting Mohammadden Terrorism in order to attempt to intimidate India and other neighbours.

Editorial in Thailand published newspaper “The Nation” talks of the links between the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the menagerie of un-uniformed Jihadi’s birthed by the Military that are infesting the Islamic Republic:

The world must join hands with the people of Pakistan to condemn this hideous act because attacks against students, teachers and school can never be justified.

But the real challenge, it seems, lies with the Pakistani military and its willingness to cut ties with the extremists.

Pakistan is home to all sorts of radical movements that form a loose network of alliance. These movements include the two main factions of Pakistan Taleban, al-Qaeda, and militants seeking to liberate Kashmir from Indian control.

The country's military knows that it can't have it both ways - use the extremists for strategic purposes while at the same time ignoring the fact that these radicals have their own agenda beyond the control of the Pakistani military.

The military went through this before with the Taleban in Afghanistan who, after defeating just about all other factions, permitted al-Qaeda to base itself in the country.

It may not have been Pakistan's intention. But Islamabad can't ignore the fact that a Frankenstein was created because of this policy that defines national security in the narrowest sense of the word.

Read it all:

Pakistan: Burnt again after playing with fire – Secret ploy of nurturing terror groups has left country vulnerable to hideous attacks from the sort of groups it once fostered

[arun]

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Mohammad Taqi, journalist from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in an article in Huffington Post titled “Pakistan Shifting Blame to Afghanistan for Its Jihadist Blunders”:

The sooner Pakistan realizes that it is not one bad fish but a rotten jihadist ecosystem, almost exclusively of its own making, that has inflicted such incredible misery on the whole region, the better.

Taqi on the links between the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the un-uniformed Jihadi’s:

Pakistani military still sticks to its dangerous definition of the "good" jihadists who fight against the Afghan government and India and the "bad" jihadists who attack Pakistan. The problem is that the good, the bad and the ugly jihadists consort together and share cadres as well as similar sanctuaries, recruiting grounds and training facilities.

Read it all;

Pakistan Shifting Blame to Afghanistan for Its Jihadist Blunders

[VishalJ]

<del> wrong thread.

[nirav]

........

Paki or not,(dont care actually) it certainly got Paki twitterati all riled up .. Tauba Tauba ..

[Gagan]

No fart-wa on this yet ?
AoA AoA!!!

[kit]

Is Pakistan developing a sub launched missile capability with the North Koreans ?

a good "whodonnit"


North Korea continues to modernise its conventional submarine fleet, while developing a submarine-launched ballistic missile capability. Joseph S Bermudez Jr and Karl Dewey examine the North Korean fleet, and the threat it poses to South Korea and the region.

http://more.ihs.com/IHSJanesDefense?ret ... %2Epdf&a=1

link needs a registration ( free)

[Aditya G]

Navy increases surveillance at Gwadar Port
By Irfan Ghauri
Published: January 27, 201

In a recent visit to the coastal belts of Gwadar and Karachi by journalists, PN officials revealed that the new division was deployed in anticipation of trade activities through Gwadar. Trade is expected to spring up under the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project. The battalion is an addition to the existing troops securing the coastlines of Karachi Harbour and Sir Creek areas.

Officials briefed about the operational capabilities of the force, and the scope and scale of their operations. “Most of the Indian Ocean including Pakistan’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) was declared a high-risk area of piracy,” said a PN official, adding that they then enhanced security. As a result, after the Contact Group on Piracy off the Coast of Somalia revised limits of the piracy High-Risk Area last year, it excluded Pakistan’s EEZ.

Pakistan on the global chessboard

Apart from security measures, the navy also shed light on its ‘people-centric approach’ to rehabilitate people living along the coastline. These projects include running schools, hospitals and vocational training centres in major towns across the 960-km coastal belt. Moreover, the navy conducted mock exercises of boarding and unloading helicopters on one of their frigates for journalists.

Focus on forces

Given its proximity with vital international sea routes, Gwadar is likely to become a major port of the country. Located near the international sea routes leading to the Persian Gulf from where 17,500 oil tankers and 7,300 cargo ships pass every year, the navy will require major improvements in the next four to five years once the port becomes fully operational.

Pakistan’s coastline of apathy

Once trade under CPEC magnifies and Central Asian countries also join in, it would need more equipment and platforms. For this, PN is in the process of shifting some of its operations and naval assets from Karachi to the newly-built Naval Base in the strategic town of Ormara located mid-way between Karachi and Gwadar.

Moreover, owing to the hostility between India and Pakistan, Pakistan Navy has plans on maintaining a 1:5 power balance with its arch rival. According to the officials, India plans on acquiring 50 warships, three aircraft carriers and 22 submarines, of which five will be nuclear submarines, in the next 10 to 15 years.

Besides that India also envisions converting its naval force into blue water navy – a marine force capable of operating across the deep waters of open oceans – with intercontinental outreach. This in return would pose serious challenges for Pakistan Navy owing to their resource constraints. However, officials said that they want to maintain minimum deterrence and limited overseas outreach against these plans.

Fleet boosting

To keep up with the challenges, special service groups and Pak-Marines have been trained to conduct special operations on land, sea and air.

On land, the navy has two warships, Type-21 and F-22P frigates. It also has Patron Craft Squadron, small but lethal missile boats equipped to safeguard sea frontiers and deliver an offensive punch which strikes deep into enemy territory.

According to officials, the main attacking fleet includes four former British Navy Amazon-class ships, known as Type-21, which they intend on withdrawing by 2020. Four Chinese light frigates, F-22P, are also part of the attacking fleet.

Moreover, the navy owns an Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate. To replace the Type-21s, they plan on adding another five to six of these surface warriors until new ones are built. Apart from these, the surface fleet consists of destroyers, high-speed missile crafts, gun boats, mine hunters, and training ships and boats.

For underwater surveillance, the navy has deployed the Submarines Service Force. They are a major component and aggressive command of the Pakistan Navy. Their primary mission includes commencing peaceful engagement, surveillance and intelligence management, special operations, precision strikes, battle group operations and control of Pakistan’s sea borders. They also have the responsibility to protect the country’s sea lanes of communication, as well as economic interests and foreign trade.

Gwadar’s ‘string of perils’

Currently, the navy has a fleet of five submarines, three 90B Agosta and two 70B Agosta. In the near future, they are planning to add another eight.

Lastly, the third component of Pakistan Navy’s operations is its aviation fleet, compromising six squads. These carrier air wings include P3C Orion, ATR and Fokker aircrafts while helicopter units have Z9EC, Sea King and Alouette

[member_27581]

Vishal!
I would politely request you to please stick to the forum topic "Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc" or the broader forum type "Military Issues & History Forum". I don't come to BRF for such rubbish, we all get enough of this on whatsapp/twitter/fb. Personally, I dont have any problem with the content but then this is not the right forum for it.
Thanks

[member_27581]

Aditya G, does Pakistan has a EEZ in Indian Ocean. Wiki says EEZ is upto 200 nmi, wouldnt that end up in Arabian Sea? or is it a foreign version of DDMitis?
Edited: Learnt something
Sea is a part of ocean. Arabian Sea is Northern Indian Ocean

[Aditya G]

Aditya G, does Pakistan has a EEZ in Indian Ocean. Wiki says EEZ is upto 200 nmi, wouldnt that end up in Arabian Sea? or is it a foreign version of DDMitis?
Edited: Learnt something
Sea is a part of ocean. Arabian Sea is Northern Indian Ocean

I wonder how the EEZs were mutually agreed against competing claims?

[Kartik]

Once again we hear of Pukes being interested in the Turkish Altay MBT..if that does end up in a buy, expect the IA to suddenly show more interest in the Arjun Mk2

Otokar submits bid for Turkey's indigenous tank

..

Turkish officials have said that a number of countries Turkey views as “allies” are interested in buying the Altay.

They said Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and some other Gulf countries were showing a large interest in the Altay.

[Singha]

we should offer a soft loan crowdfunded to get the 1000 Otokars for pak army.... it has good technology and is comparable to other euro heavies as much tech came from common pool.

[Kartik]

JF-17 with the Chinese testing the IFR probe. The Puke design that was itself copied from the South African solution for the Atlas Cheetah might have been abandoned.

[arun]

Bike-borne suicide bomber kills 8 in Pakistan

QUETTA: Police say a suicide bomber riding on a bicycle has targeted a vehicle carrying security forces in southwestern Pakistan, killing at least eight people and wounding more than 20.

Cheers

And so yet again a demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan sees the ununiformed jihadi’s of the Pakistani Taliban take on the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

[Aditya G]

JF-17 has very light, LML Vespa style landing gear!

[Aditya G]

PA ATGM jeep with reloader



106 mm RCLs:

[Shreeman]

hotlinked images from sharm sharm places! is that now alloued?