Phone, Tablet and Gizmo Thread #0x02

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 20 Mar 2013 09:58

Singha wrote:I really wish there was a desktop/non-touch laptop version of Win 8 with all the performance improvements (especially boot-time) but which provided the Win 7 UI with start button and no swipe gestures and gimmicks which only serve to annoy you.

> all the big vendors are asking MSFT for that.

Is that why expensive(ASP USD 600-1000) PCs preloaded with Windows 8 are outselling cheap (and bestselling)Chromebooks with asp of USD 200-400.

Although I am a fan of the browser, and even of the Chromebooks (for people who are mainly looking to surf the web), they have sold less than 500,000 units according to Digitimes. “Chromebook has less than 1 percent [market] share in the notebook market," they say. "Compatibility and consumer usage habits are the major obstacles that the OS would need to break through to attract demand.” With 350 million total PC sales in 2012 (and an estimated 346 million in 2013), Chromebooks only represent about .14% of those sales. Yes, that's slightly over one tenth of a percent. Let's assume for a minute that one million Chromebooks will be sold in 2013 - that's still less than .3% of total sales expected in 2013. PC sales are expected to be down in 2013 because of the underwhelming reception of Windows 8. The Chrome browser can be downloaded on virtually any device for free, which may not bode well for competition.

Source: http://beta.fool.com/tlwofford/2013/03/ ... ion/27511/ http://www.bangkokpost.com/tech/gadget/ ... nticipated

These big vendor's biggest problem is not Microsoft or Windows 8, they themselves are their own biggest problem.

Their (and microsofts) biggest problem was their low ASP, which forces them to sell cheap plasticity crap preloaded with bloatware. This forces them to compete for razor thin margins while Apple takes all the "malai".

Microsoft brings Windows 8, giving them an opportunity to raise ASP, get rid of preloaded app and compete with Apple.... But the big vendors, like Acer for example threw hissy fit... and bet on the success of Chromebooks.

Result: Microsoft itself sold around 1.5 Million Surfaces with ASP of around USD 700-1100. HP,Acer, Samsung combined sold around .5 Million Chromebooks with ASP of USD 200-300.

Icing: Acer's new BFF Google forced them to kill their Aliyun OS. Also, they will now have to compete with Google's Pixel.(they were pissed at MS because of Surface)

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Mar 2013 10:11

Result: Microsoft itself sold around 1.5 Million Surfaces with ASP of around USD 700-1100.

Can this be confirmed? I'm not buying it. Maybe half that at best.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Mar 2013 10:19

anmol wrote: Icing: Acer's new BFF Google forced them to kill their Aliyun OS. Also, they will now have to compete with Google's Pixel.(they were pissed at MS because of Surface)

Aliyun was a ripoff by Alibaba which fancied themselves to be Chinese Takla. It was not Acer's OS.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 20 Mar 2013 10:20

Mort Walker wrote:
Result: Microsoft itself sold around 1.5 Million Surfaces with ASP of around USD 700-1100.
Can this be confirmed? I'm not buying it. Maybe half that at best.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-1 ... tions.html

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 20 Mar 2013 10:20

Anujan wrote:
anmol wrote: Icing: Acer's new BFF Google forced them to kill their Aliyun OS. Also, they will now have to compete with Google's Pixel.(they were pissed at MS because of Surface)

Aliyun was a ripoff by Alibaba which fancied themselves to be Chinese Takla. It was not Acer's OS.

Sorry, I meant their AliyunOS device.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 20 Mar 2013 10:27

Win 8 based PC's are selling because it is becoming nearly impossible to find PC's with latest hardware and good deals running Win 7. I myself faced this problem when I was searching for a not-so high end Windows laptop for my parents. Couldn't buy Chromebook or anything else because they know only Windows and learning curve would be too much for them and they needed MS Office. Turns out, learning curve for Win 8 wasn't small either. Mickey$ wants every Windows user to shift to Surface or touchscreen laptop. People who don't want/need/afford such things are left holding the bag with Metro UI crap on regular PCs.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 20 Mar 2013 10:36

nachiket wrote:Win 8 based PC's are selling because it is becoming nearly impossible to find PC's with latest hardware and good deals running Win 7. I myself faced this problem when I was searching for a not-so high end Windows laptop for my parents. Couldn't buy Chromebook or anything else because they know only Windows and learning curve would be too much for them and they needed MS Office. Turns out, learning curve for Win 8 wasn't small either. Mickey$ wants every Windows user to shift to Surface or touchscreen laptop. People who don't want/need/afford such things are left holding the bag with Metro UI crap on regular PCs.

Is this something new with Windows 8 only ? Wasn't this true for all the versions of Windows ?

Also, considering that Microsoft doesn't sell "Windows 8" but just license to windows that allows OEM or consumers to downgrade to older version, even to Vista... so basically every Windows 8 PC is also Windows 7 PC.

So it shouldn't be THAT hard to find Windows 7 PCs.

http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensi ... V33YJSDGeS

lifehacker.com/5974318/downgrade-your-new-windows-8-computer-to-windows-7-for-free

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Mar 2013 10:43

anmol wrote: Icing: Acer's new BFF Google forced them to kill their Aliyun OS. Also, they will now have to compete with Google's Pixel.(they were pissed at MS because of Surface)

Sorry, I meant their AliyunOS device.

I thought Aliyun OS was a mobile OS and Pixel runs Chrome OS? If Chacha hadnt objected to Aliyun, do you mean to imply Acer would have sold a laptop with Aliyun?

The deal with partners getting pissed with M$ is because Ballmer has said in no uncertain terms that M$ wants to become a devices and services company. Which taking him in his word, means that they are no longer a software company, so the rules of the game change.

Chromebooks are likely to have measely consumer sales numbers. They are less featured than comparably priced tablets and for a few dollars more you can get windows machines which can run native software. The selling proposition is neither the price nor the software capabilities. ChromeOS is free (price wise). If you step back and ask "why ChromeOS" you can come up with idiotic answers like "so every user action can be tracked" or you can conclude that it is a play to convince companies that they require minimal IT department if they deploy maintenance free machines with software in the cloud. Obviously you pay chacha for those software. Windows implies big IT staff. That is the main differentiator between Chromebook and Windows laptop. Not the price.

Also price wise, which Acer's offerings compete with Pixel? Will a consumer decide between HP chromebook, Samsung Chromebook and Acer Chromebook or will they decide between Acer and Pixel?

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 20 Mar 2013 10:50

AliyunOS have not much to do with Pixel/Chrome.. I remember that Acer was supposed to sell first Aliyun OS phone in China and Google forced them to kill the device.

My point is that they jumped on to Google bandwagon thinking that they would be treated better and wont have to compete with the Google like they have to compete with MS. And Google launched Pixel. Also, neither Google nor MS want(or would allow in long run) these OEMs to push cheap crap loaded with bloatware that spoils the image of the OS. Lastly, everyone wants control of OS and Ecosystem.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Mar 2013 11:02

I have no idea where you got this notion of companies being friends and jumping on bandwagon expecting warm fuzzy dosti and stuff like that. There are only contracts and strategic decisions.

Let me boil your blood a bit. Sammy never tires of publicly saying how much sale of Windows Phone sucks. There could be many reasons for that. Even if sales of Windows phones really sucks -- which is half true -- isnt it partly Sammy's responsibility to deliver top notch hardware and mount ad campaigns? Name one windows handset from Sammy with the same ad dollars and specs as SGIII leave alone SG4? Is it because they are somehow "upset" with M$? Sammy just had a glitzy event introducing GS4. Does it mean they hate M$ and Love Chacha? Does it mean Sammy once loved M$ but M$ cheated on Sammy by sleeping with Nokia and therefore Sammy wants to teach a lesson to M$ by cheating with chacha while secretly pining for its cousin Tizen?

Or is it because they feel that if they promote Windows Phone and it becomes entrenched as a solid no 3 after Android/iOS they would have a tough time getting people interested in Tizen?

To find out where the tech industry is headed, a good starting point would be to stop Anthropomorphize companies and their decisions.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 20 Mar 2013 11:05

Anujan wrote:The deal with partners getting pissed with M$ is because Ballmer has said in no uncertain terms that M$ wants to become a devices and services company. Which taking him in his word, means that they are no longer a software company, so the rules of the game change.

So they are pissed at MS evolving with times, and jumped into Google's arms. Google, which also happens to be devices and services company.

Anujan wrote:Chromebooks are likely to have measely consumer sales numbers. They are less featured than comparably priced tablets and for a few dollars more you can get windows machines which can run native software. The selling proposition is neither the price nor the software capabilities. ChromeOS is free (price wise). If you step back and ask "why ChromeOS" you can come up with idiotic answers like "so every user action can be tracked" or you can conclude that it is a play to convince companies that they require minimal IT department if they deploy maintenance free machines with software in the cloud. Obviously you pay chacha for those software. Windows implies big IT staff. That is the main differentiator between Chromebook and Windows laptop. Not the price.

>The selling proposition is neither the price nor the software capabilities

Of course it is, they should sell lot more of USD ~199 laptops compared to USD 1100 surface Pros. But point was that geniuses running these companies thought it was great idea to sell USD ~200-300 chromebooks than USD 700+ Windows 8 touch devices.

Anujan wrote:Also price wise, which Acer's offerings compete with Pixel? Will a consumer decide between HP chromebook, Samsung Chromebook and Acer Chromebook or will they decide between Acer and Pixel?

Neither do most of Acer's computer compete with Surfaces, but in future Google and MS would compete with these vendors in most price ranges... that is a reality. And if Acer, Samsung, Asus, Lenovo etc can't make better devices... people would certainly buy Pixel and Surfaces.

ALL are devices and services companies... for example I think Acer is pushing their Acer cloud or something(which competes with Skydrive).

Anujan wrote:I have no idea where you got this notion of companies being friends and jumping on bandwagon expecting warm fuzzy dosti and stuff like that. There are only contracts and strategic decisions.

Where did I say that GOogle and Acer are friends ? Or MS and Acer... And where did I insinuate that Acer would get "warm fuzzy dhoti" once they are in Googles arms.

I doubt even Acer thought of that, and if they did... then they are even more stupid than I thought. But they DID jump onto Google's bandwagon, their CEO have made it quite clear with his rants. He tried using Google as a hedge.

So obviously there are no friends, but there certainly are strategic allies. For Microsoft it is Nokia and Dell, Acer thought it would be Google.

Anujan wrote:Let me boil your blood a bit. Sammy never tires of publicly saying how much sale of Windows Phone sucks. There could be many reasons for that. Even if sales of Windows phones really sucks -- which is half true -- isnt it partly Sammy's responsibility to deliver top notch hardware and mount ad campaigns? Name one windows handset from Sammy with the same ad dollars and specs as SGIII leave alone SG4? Is it because they are somehow "upset" with M$? Sammy just had a glitzy event introducing GS4. Does it mean they hate M$ and Love Chacha? Does it mean Sammy once loved M$ but M$ cheated on Sammy by sleeping with Nokia and therefore Sammy wants to teach a lesson to M$ by cheating with chacha while secretly pining for its cousin Tizen?

Why would that boil my blood ? I agree with everything you wrote above. But I think Ativ-whatever is kind of like S3, I think Samsung IS upset with MS, because they are not getting USD 2 Billion in marketing dollars like Nokia(obviously HTC is also getting something). That is why no campaign for Ativ, that is why no good WP devices from Samsung and lastly poor sales. Also, IMVHO MS is better off without S4 like cringe-fest-event.

And no, no one is friends or cheating... I think Samsung is by far the smartest player right now. Tize+S-apps would one day make really good OS-ecosystem.

Anujan wrote:Or is it because they feel that if they promote Windows Phone and it becomes entrenched as a solid no 3 after Android/iOS they would have a tough time getting people interested in Tizen?

TBH I dont know why they are pushing WP. They obviously don't have to...

Anujan wrote:To find out where the tech industry is headed, a good starting point would be to stop Anthropomorphize companies and their decisions.

I dont think I do that.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 20 Mar 2013 13:02

Anujan wrote: Their bodies are built like a tank

Are we talking about Fruit Co here and the iPhunwa-al-shatteri?

The only contemporary phunwas that I have seen which are built like a tank while still retaining good I. design are the GB Lumias. Sammy is not that bad in that department either except their stuff just feels super cheap (and the battery covers are usually flimsy for whatever reason - probably weight budget). Rest all have NLI affsar like qualities.

Anujan wrote:If you step back and ask "why ChromeOS" you can come up with idiotic answers like "so every user action can be tracked" or you can conclude that it is a play to convince companies that they require minimal IT department if they deploy maintenance free machines with software in the cloud. Obviously you pay chacha for those software. Windows implies big IT staff. That is the main differentiator between Chromebook and Windows laptop.

The software as cloud service is becoming the universal reality but I doubt that is going to be a huge differentiator between ChromeOS and Windows going forward especially when it comes to driving adoption of ChromeOS becoz both Mickey and Chacha are on that path with boxed shrink-wrapped software slowly going the way of the serial port. Right now for me ChromeOS is still an interesting experiment which may or may not take off - a hybrid native+web approach feels more intuitive at the moment with web-only being a gradual evolution. The rationale for Chacha to make ChromeOS is pretty clear and solid but whether they succeed remains to be seen becoz there are plenty of factors which are stacked against them at the moment.

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Anybody here remember Clifford Stoll (without asking wiki uncle of course)? The guy is a total riot and colourful as hell in person - I haven't laughed so hard in ages as I did today.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 20 Mar 2013 13:47

IMVHO: ChromeOS WILL take off. Just add the 600,000 Android app in existing ChromeOS.. and they have native apps. Many of the apps on tablets & phones are so good that it makes sense to use those on SmartTV, Desktop and Notebooks.

It make more sense to have those 600000 apps, than not have those apps on Chromos.

This(but on ChromeOS):

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Mar 2013 09:33

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 21 Mar 2013 10:02

Raja Bose wrote: Anybody here remember Clifford Stoll (without asking wiki uncle of course)? The guy is a total riot and colourful as hell in person - I haven't laughed so hard in ages as I did today.

Yeah, I have his book (The Cuckoo's Egg). Last I heard, he and his son were selling Klein bottles or something like that. Someone I know has one.

[edit]Thanks to him, I've even named characters and used passwords like "Hagbard" and "Pengo"

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Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 21 Mar 2013 10:07

Yeah that's the same guy. Had gone to pay him a visit yesterday since I had to be in his neck of woods anyways (normally a neighborhood I steer clear of esp. at night).

PS: Then you should have used passwd such as benson.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 21 Mar 2013 10:41

Raja Bose wrote:Yeah that's the same guy. Had gone to pay him a visit yesterday since I had to be in his neck of woods anyways (normally a neighborhood I steer clear of esp. at night).

PS: Then you should have used passwd such as benson.

Yeah, but I don't smoke. Jaeger is another passwd I used a long time ago, thanks to his book. Hagbard and Pengo were names of characters I created from when I used to play Diablo and Warcraft and such. Traditionally, I name my warriors Hagbard and mages as Pengo.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 21 Mar 2013 12:25

I have one of his autographed Klein bottles - just need to take it out from one of my moving boxes (unpacked since 2009

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anmol · Post by **anmol** » 21 Mar 2013 21:12

This will definitely attract artists to Windows, leaked video of Windows 8 Blue's Fresh Paint app's new features:

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Mar 2013 23:00

White Blackberry Q10 Caught On Video In India, Looks Pretty Good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... wJVo#t=30s

The white version of the Q10 was caught on video in India during the launch of the Z10 and attendees of the event managed to get a chance to play with the device. We have to say it looks pretty good, although we admit we’re a bit worried about the white fading thanks to grime and stains, but what do you guys think? Which color will you be getting when the Q10 launches?

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 21 Mar 2013 23:19

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 21 Mar 2013 23:47

anmol wrote:This will definitely attract artists to Windows, leaked video of Windows 8 Blue's Fresh Paint app's new features:

Fresh Paint app is the equivalent of the demo Chacha showed of detecting cat videos.

The underlying engines in both are way more revolutionary and powerful than people realize.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 22 Mar 2013 02:15

anmol wrote:...

Outside of AAPL, the top 4 are all less within 1% of the study average. Not enough granularity is shown except that AAPL has more satisfaction.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 22 Mar 2013 02:19

40 years of icons: the evolution of the modern computer interface

James B · Post by **James B** » 22 Mar 2013 03:33

Google Chairman uses - non-google products

Eric Schmidt’s favourites

Alan Rusbridger, Guardian Editor, asked Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt to pick his tech-favourites at the Big Tent Activate Summit.

Kindle or BlackBerry?

I am a BlackBerry user. I like the keyboard, though BlackBerry is sorely in trouble.

iPad Mini or iPad?

iPad. I have both ... Mini is too small.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/g ... 535210.ece

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 22 Mar 2013 06:03

Now Fruit Co. is deciding to go in for a "flat" look like Mickey's Modern UI. Who would have thought that the day would come when chi-chi Fruit Co. would take design cues from fat stodgy Mickey

http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/41329 ... n-at-apple

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Mar 2013 07:26

this image says it all about the possibility of phone cams ever competing with good P&S and DSLRs esp in challenging conditions.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17t19za ... iginal.png

DSLR sensors roadkill phone sensors like they didnt exist.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 22 Mar 2013 07:39

Its not just sensors, it is also lenses.

The question is, will phones become "good enough". If you think about it, when cameras were film only a few people would take pics and post on the net. Now with fast net and such, everyone is a photographer and since the phone is readily available, they can record their cherished moments.

So camera phones are not really replacements for DSLRs (and never will be*) -- the question is will they be good enough for "good memories recording" type of photography.

* The reason I say this with confidence is that electronics might catch up, but optics has a long way to go.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Mar 2013 07:59

and lack of powerful flash as well. the flashes on proper cams are N times more powerful than those on phones. quite important for indoor photos in lowish light.

vendors seem least bothered with such problems.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 22 Mar 2013 08:13

so between sammy, sonia and yellji, which of their latest would satisfy tech trend needs that lasts at least 2 years in HD TV value?

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 22 Mar 2013 08:59

Singha wrote:this image says it all about the possibility of phone cams ever competing with good P&S and DSLRs esp in challenging conditions.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17t19za ... iginal.png

DSLR sensors roadkill phone sensors like they didnt exist.

The GB 808 phone which BhairavP has contains a 1/1.2" sensor which is larger than many P&S. But sensor size is just one factor. Optics matters a lot. But what matters most is what is the camera which you find most convenient to have with you. Purists will always be willing to lug a fat DSLR but what about the mango abdul? Like Anujan-ullah stated, "is it good enough?". Despite all sorts of fancy post-processing like what GB's PureView sensors do, there are limitations dictated by fizzyics which will ensure that DSLRs will be top dog when it comes to taking pics. But that doesn't mean that their sales are not threatened by smartphones (P&S are already threatened) becoz in the end if smartphones can provide a satisfactory answer to the question "is it good enough?", that will be enough to make many mango abduls ditch their P&S and for some even their DSLRs.

*Another factor which governs the "is it good enough" question is how are the pics viewed? Nowadays predominantly they are just viewed electronically so for that you dont really need super-duper kit for "good looking" photos since the display is the limitation. DSLRs will remain the mainstay for pros and serious enthusiasts but P&S are on their way out and increasingly being replaced by smart phunwas.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Mar 2013 09:04

so far the answer is 'no' esp in low light and indoor shots or challenging conditions like scattered light patches...exposure metering etc in proper cameras are needed for such.

some new innovation is needed not just upping the MP count to 13MP now.

maybe if canikon get into the act of supplying a "module" to phone makers for the camera we will see further progress. sony uses zeiss and their own tech so maybe they have it all inhouse.

kind of reminds me my poor 5100N dslr is lying in a bag unused for a long time. ....between the weekdays at work & daycare and the weekends grocery/social commitments/health appts/other crap my wife is supposed to do but never goes and shovels into my inbox I am barely getting enough time to keep on top of things.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 22 Mar 2013 09:41

Give the Lumia 920/928 a try for indoor and low light shots - it works pretty good, usually better than a lot of P&S (except the Sony P&S which have the Exmor sensor). Rumour is the next Lumias from GB will use Sony's Exmor sensor. That combined with GB's existing Zeiss optics and PureView tech should make it a killer combination.

Most users wont be setting up a camera rig for ultra low light photography ityadi when they are on a record-my-drunk-night-out-spree. For the pros/purists/hobbyists anyways DSLR will be always the WTG - phone cameras or P&S can never touch them at least in the foreseeable future.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 22 Mar 2013 10:14

Raja Bose wrote:Give the Lumia 920/928 a try for indoor and low light shots - it works pretty good, usually better than a lot of P&S (except the Sony P&S which have the Exmor sensor). Rumour is the next Lumias from GB will use Sony's Exmor sensor. Most users wont be setting up a camera rig for ultra low light photography ityadi when they are on a record-my-drunk-night-out-spree. For the pros/purists/hobbyists anyways DSLR will be always the WTG - phone cameras or P&S can never touch them at least in the foreseeable future.

You're a man after my own heart.

I actually tried out the phone cameras on all the high end phones at a Croma store in one of the airports. Even compared 920 with 820. Verdict - nothing comes close to 920. Surprisingly, the camera (or software) on Samsung S2 is pretty good...better than even 820 based on the pics I clicked.

And you're right about phones threatening the P&S cameras...one important thing to remember is that you need to 'remember' to carry a P&S camera to a party or an event...while the phone is in your pocket by default. Given that average gathering is in an area not more than 10x10 sq.feet, the phone camera on high end phones works just fine. And then you have the software to enhance the pics if you're so inclined. Unless you've to take those long distance focused shots, IMO, the phone cameras do just fine.

From the phone, the pics go to social networking sites and also shared over the mail/picasa with other users. I guess this is what prompted Samsung to come out with their 3G camera...connectivity aside, they have tried to use software to mimic DSLR functionality on the same.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 22 Mar 2013 10:19

GB's Lumia 820 has a stock el-cheapo shooter to keep the BOM down and is a mid-tier phone. It is essentially a Lumia 920 without the high res/low motion blur/fast refresh screen, cap touch you can use with gloves/keys/tree branch/stylus and the PureView camera.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Mar 2013 10:25

nothing matches the B52 style bombardment of a D700 or EOS1 type though. big, black and menacing.
some of us have a real fetish for raw firepower and throw-weight in MTons of TNT

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 22 Mar 2013 10:31

Then you gotta carry the BUFF to satiate those desires. You should not even hope for any svelte light thin platform to match up becoz there is no other way!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Mar 2013 10:34

mew mew something like this could spy all across any campus into the GH ..not the waving PYT on the phone with our intrepid lad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRq18WpQZC0

5200mm canon telephoto....need a sled to be moved around and looks more like 1960s atomic device.

vina · Post by **vina** » 22 Mar 2013 11:58

anmol wrote:ChromeOS WILL take off. Just add the 600,000 Android app in existing ChromeOS.. and they have native apps. Many of the apps on tablets & phones are so good that it makes sense to use those on SmartTV, Desktop and Notebooks.

Chrome OS aint going anywhere. It is a dead duck. And no, adding 6000000000000 Android apps into it aint going to save it either. Linux has more than the 60000000000 apps anyway and look where linux desktop went.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Mar 2013 13:38

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/19/nvid ... -announce/

nvidia annouces gtx titan graphics card...this enormous card costs $1000.
looks like it will occupy the full depth of a ATX tower case.