Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

[shaardula]

i think the main reason bhajpa came to power last time around in ka was the because of sympathy factor. the brazen way in which kumaraswamy ditched bhajpa, created a statewide sympathy for them. other wise, for bulk of the state bhajpa type issues are non-issues.

another factor is fragmentation of the janata party type of groups as alternatives to congress. with the death of ramakrishna hegde and bommai (sr), the umbrella opposition to congress was broken. devegowda is not known for his socialist thinking, and yet his was the largest faction to break. eventually, even the devegowda faction broke.

congress can contest in all districts of ka. old janata could. devegowda's janata cannot. which created an opening for bhajpa. this has got nothing to do with some great perceived leader-giri of yediyurappa.

coka is going through a troubled phase of communal problems. noka, went through this, and is some what settled. right now the festering problems are in coka. and these are precisely where bhajpa has a say. rest of ka there is no deep love for bhajpa. even with coka, the problems are more to do with the competition between rich hindus and rich muslims than in any other inherent religiosity.

i think it is wrong to say ka politics == ap politics. ka non-congress history more connected to JP movement than any other idealogy.

before yediyurappa, ka straddled vokkaliga, lingayat and backward communities between congress and janata party just fine. bhajpa is not some kind of a saviour who has a natural linkage to these communities. ka has had vokkaliga, lingayat cms and a couple of brahmin and backward caste cms too before this. we have enough backbiting and political expediency to give us more than enough representation for people amongst us, without the nonsense of yet another dilli-wala parties and their agendas being thrust on us thank you.

both congress, and old janata party were umbrella groups. ka is not a shining beacon of anything anywhere, but such a system has worked just fine for it. there is nothing that bhajpa has added to the basic character of ka, not even mercantilism.

[Sanku]

Delhi BJP gang of Anantha Kumar ( he was bood in the meetings in Bangalore and may not win MP seat next time) Sushma Swaraj and LK Advani are resposible for Karnataka lose and need to pay price. No one is saying that they should have kept Yaddi but at the same time every welwisher of BJP warned them to treat Yaddi well and keep him in good humour. They were not ready to do that and are now lost of state for BJP.

This blame gaming is futile, the most opposition to Yeddi was from within BJP, if Yeddi had continued, BJP would have lost anyway with another type of split. If anyone lost Kkta for BJP, it is Yeddi and Yeddi alone, many people helped BJP build up, but the loss is only Yeddi's sheer ego and inability to work with others.

Yes, you can say that central leaders should have tried to fix the situation better, however there are no magical bullets and no quick fix solutions, a better alternative is to keep building the party at grassroots and making Yeddi irrelevant, any party driven by one person is a bad bad idea, more so for BJP.

If BJP is so dependent of Yeddi for Kkta, I would rather the lose and reform themselves, there is no shortage of Yeddi like leaders in Kkta.

[Sanku]

i think the main reason bhajpa came to power last time around in ka was the because of sympathy factor. the brazen way in which kumaraswamy ditched bhajpa, created a statewide sympathy for them. other wise, for bulk of the state bhajpa type issues are non-issues.
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both congress, and old janata party were umbrella groups. ka is not a shining beacon of anything anywhere, but such a system has worked just fine for it. there is nothing that bhajpa has added to the basic character of ka, not even mercantilism.

I strongly agree Shaardula-ji; the local and even national politics in Kkta is driven very strongly by very local issues, of caste groupings, money distribution, dictates of churches on ground etc.

I keep repeating this, and the pleas seem to fall on deaf ears, but the fact is, most politics all over the country is, eventually very local. Money, choice of local candidate, local strength of party etc are far bigger levers of outcome than a national leadership.

Each state has to be won and lost on the ground locally for a party to win. It is a trench battle a meter at a time and no blitzkrieg is possible (unless something like RJB movement comes along)

[geeth]

IMO , it is better to lose in ka without yeddi than win with him..I would say, with yeddi and his ways bjp would have still lost ka. He is like Uma in MP

[Sanku]

IMO , it is better to lose in ka without yeddi than win with him..I would say, with yeddi and his ways bjp would have still lost ka. He is like Uma in MP

I agree. They should now plan for how to win without Yeddi.

[AjayKK]

IMO , it is better to lose in ka without yeddi than win with him..I would say, with yeddi and his ways bjp would have still lost ka. He is like Uma in MP

Perhaps it is better to win with Yeddi + Reddy brothers, without sending too much jaziya and to Dilli, especially when Dilli leaders are not electable or accountable to anyone ?

Let local issues of funds + ego + others be settled in-house at local level, rather than at Dilli Darbar, with mediation from those powerful leaders/brokers who are not dynasty friends. The, "Iron ore lady" got into Lok Sabha 2009 unopposed, from a party seat, because the Kangressi candidate submitted a photocopy of the Form A in place of the original copy. Even an independent would not do this silly mistake. But As Muppalla has said, there is no problem if some leaders are "Friends" with dynasty. Later they can be useful to nail the dynasty, if desired, as blackmail works both ways.

But the point is that denial of space to dynasty friends in seat sharing + funds sharing is important, if a good tally is to be obtained.

[AjayKK]

As regards AP, the Kangress has to minimise damages by way of winning + post-poll alliance.

If Modi can contest from UP, then our Pappu can contest from AP also, if push comes to shove!

This can be accompanied by mega-emotional atyachaar to lure the voters by cash + drama + " The next PM-in-waiting from AP" message.

Also, image polishing of fake leader Chiranjeevi (Kapu/Kaapu) is in motion.
Finally, the mercenaries of Owaisis aka self-made Tipus can be co-opted well. As it is the Kangress is providing th M-vote on a platter in the Hyderabad area to the Tipu Owaisis.

Then pre-poll combo can be
Operation Pappu + Kapu + Tipu

Later DubaiShekhar Chandrashekhar and EJ Junior Jagan can always be taken in. After all, they can't be cross (!) with Kangress if opportunity to make moolah in UPA 3 arises and is offered to them.

[suryag]

Counting is due tomorrow?

[Muppalla]

Pappu from any seat in AP is a sure shot loser. I wish he does that.

Even today if there is an election and Reddys (even from inside jail) + Yeddi would have won KA for BJP. All this let us try without Kalyan in UP, without Yeddi in KA, without Vasundhara in Raj are all the projects of how to take BJP to 1980. If there is memory remember there was an ABV project of how to win Guj by removing Modi after NDA loss.

Politics of BS. Period.

[Sanku]

Pappu from any seat in AP is a sure shot loser. I wish he does that.

Even today if there is an election and Reddys (even from inside jail) + Yeddi would have won KA for BJP. All this let us try without Kalyan in UP, without Yeddi in KA, without Vasundhara in Raj are all the projects of how to take BJP to 1980. If there is memory think there was an ABV project of how to win Guj by removing Modi after NDA loss.

Politics of BS. Period.

Why VRS in Rajasthan? Why SSC in MP? Etc?

Just because Yeddi was a local strongman, it does not mean all local leaders are Yeddi.

Also because you have one charismatic leader, it does not mean that the party should be folded up and turned into a fiefdom of one leader to behave as he/she thinks fit. It does not mean more than one charismatic strong leaders are not needed.

BJP did not ditch Yeddi, Yeddi ditched BJP.

[member_20317]

Battle of the trenches needs a Tank to win it. Crawling where fighting is needed is not a war. Cannot be politics either.

Organisation vs Personality is a false debate that only fuels arguments without allowing a person to make up his mind. If the personality is hurting instead of helping the organisation then abandon the personality, if organisation is hurting instead of helping the individual then abandon the organisation. Only some measure of sahan-shakti is advisable though strictly speaking not necessary.

[Muppalla]

Why VRS in Rajasthan? Why SSC in MP? Etc?

Just because Yeddi was a local strongman, it does not mean all local leaders are Yeddi.

Also because you have one charismatic leader, it does not mean that the party should be folded up and turned into a fiefdom of one leader to behave as he/she thinks fit. It does not mean more than one charismatic strong leaders are not needed.

BJP did not ditch Yeddi, Yeddi ditched BJP.

VRS fought back. The loss of Raj was anti-VRS stuff. In case of SSC see the previous LS results and how much ditching happened and that was one of the reasons BJP ended up with 116 instead of 160. Huge ditching, sabotage are the reasons in various states that BJP is not getting full potential. See how they ditched the man in UT, but on the same lines see the potential of BJP in UT. They swept the local polls. Before Modi, even in Guj huge ditching and manipulation of Kesubhai occurred.

There are certain realities whether we like it on not. You have to maneuver inside the so called fiefdom but you destroy the fiefdom then you will get Congress back.

Just to remind you, during the height of BJP, MP voted to INC and made Doggy Raja the CM there. The lesson for BJP has to be at any cost it has to allow the local strongmen to survive unless they lose themselves and the so called fiefdom ditches them. You should not try to alter that when there are too many forces working there.

Money, crony capitalism with a mix of caste groups is the hallmark of AP and KA. Messing around with impractical ideological solutions does not give anything. Extreme governance based model with allowing the capitalists to thrive will make you permanent (like in Gujarat).

Trying to build a party with no respect/yielding to charismatic leaders is clearly proven to be non-starter. Even in MP just think that SSC is removed and try to win and I will bet BJP will lose. He is charismatic but he is also good leader and hence we don't assume here that charisma is at works.

Minor aberration of Vije in RA and Yeddi in KA are blown out of proportions to kill yourselves and we lost both states. I reiterate that Yeddi's stuff are too minor if you put on a bar graph of all the stuff that is going on in the country. BJP did not even try to find ways to accommodate him.

[JohnTitor]

BJP did not ditch Yeddi, Yeddi ditched BJP.

Sanku ji, you are right. However, the questions you need to ask are:

Who gained?
What did BJP gain?
(there is the question of what did Yeddi gain, but it is not worth answering because he isn't part of BJP)


What it seems -
The answer to "Who gained" seems to be congress - Inspite of laks of crores of scams, they are on their way to gain a majority.

The answer to the second is - NOTHING. Other than having the "moral high ground" - which from what it looks like, noone cares about. Kannadigas would rather have a "stable" govt that loots consistently than one that loots, is caught looting and fixes the problem. So irrespective of who ditched who, the point is, BJP ended up being the loser. Now you might say "they will build their base in ka" etc etc - but at the end of the day, that won't help. Only thing that will help is caste, sickularism, and loot money. If BJP went out and paid people 10-20k to vote BJP, I'm sure it would have been absolved of its sins. I am ashamed of my fellow kannadigas, and I hope they pay for their crime. Supporting congress will mean nothing more than more looting. Nothing else.

Yesterday, I saw several tweets saying "this should give BJP some time to introspect" - how silly! introspect for what? being bold enough to kick the corrupt out? How come congress never gets time to introspect? And then the nerve of people who complain of corruption! Disgusting.

However, I continue to believe the exit polls are incorrect and BJP will win. But only time will tell.

[Sanku]

IMO , it is better to lose in ka without yeddi than win with him..I would say, with yeddi and his ways bjp would have still lost ka. He is like Uma in MP

Perhaps it is better to win with Yeddi + Reddy brothers, without sending too much jaziya and to Dilli, especially when Dilli leaders are not electable or accountable to anyone ?

That would mean for the local leader to be either
1) Very intelligent and be able to solve issues on the ground (preferred solution)
2) Be more powerful than Sangh collective (who after all decides Delhi leaders)

(2) is not possible, and Yeddi could not do 1. hence the problem.

[Sanku]

BJP did not ditch Yeddi, Yeddi ditched BJP.

Sanku ji, you are right. However, the questions you need to ask are:

Who gained?
What did BJP gain?
(there is the question of what did Yeddi gain, but it is not worth answering because he isn't part of BJP)

Shonu-ji, Yeddi had left BJP with no choice. BJP tried to accommodate him as much as possible, but he would cooperate. There is only so much that can be done.

[RamaY]

Pappu from any seat in AP is a sure shot loser. I wish he does that.

Even today if there is an election and Reddys (even from inside jail) + Yeddi would have won KA for BJP. All this let us try without Kalyan in UP, without Yeddi in KA, without Vasundhara in Raj are all the projects of how to take BJP to 1980. If there is memory remember there was an ABV project of how to win Guj by removing Modi after NDA loss.

Politics of BS. Period.

+108.

On one hand people want to build BJP in all 540 constituencies and on the other hand they want to kick mass leaders out.

We have seen how Brijesh Mishra and the SIL of ABV hurt BJp's interests, but no one talks about it. But when it comes to the likes of BSY, there is too much Khulji. SS patronizing her adopted sons reddy brothers is ok but BSY doing the same for his own sons is bad.

If BJP leadership cannot reform their own corrupt mass leaders, how can they do the same for rest of the nation?

[ashashi]

BJP loosing Karnataka is good for both BJP and the country.

During the last 4/5 years, one could not fine much difference between BJP in Karnataka and Congress. BJP Central leadership didnt exist, as a result Yeddiruppa is allowed to stay inside BJP while trashing it too long.

About 2 years ago, I saw a BJP promotional video at one of the OFBJP event. Video was about 15-20 minutes. All the BJP run state govts. were shown in positive light. Neither Karnataka nor any BJP leaders from Karnataka featured in the video. Not a single mention of Karnataka in the meeting either.

I am glad that Ghadkari was shown the door. Advani needs to be convinced that its time he retire.

[prashanth]

Even today if there is an election and Reddys (even from inside jail) + Yeddi would have won KA for BJP.

I agree both have significant support-base, but I believe people of KA are not that gullible. If that was the case, who is the star of inc in KA, when they are expected to win this time? Why not kjp or bsr whatever? Even the former CM dharam singh lost to a newcomer in the previous elections as people weren't satisfied with his performance (after winning eight consecutive times).
Money power and appeasement aside, the ruling govt was stupid enough to ignore problems in state and it took the voters for granted. Dillywalas of course contributed to the downfall by meddling with local affairs. The result is before us now.

[SwamyG]

So what we are saying is BJP should become corrupt by promoting nepotism and corrupt leaders, just like INC so that it can come in power. And we wonder what ails India? Come 2047, people would be still lamenting 100 years of freedom from the British and how politicians are still corrupt and things are the same irrespective of parties.

[nawabs]

Time to transform

http://www.newsinsight.net/Timetotransf ... age=page-1

As the Bharatiya Janata Party eagerly anticipates forming the next government at the Centre this year or in 2014, it must introspect about the self-inflicted crisis in Karnataka. The scandals of the once-BJP government of B.S.Yeddyurappa won’t affect the national vote of the party which is riding a Narendra Modi wave. But it must nevertheless squarely face the corrupt decisions and underhand dealings which precipitated the Karnataka crisis and made it uncontainable to draw the correct lessons for the future.

Karnataka politics is sharply splintered on caste lines but the rise to power of the Bharatiya Janata Party in the state was more a reaction to the dead-end governments given by the Congress and the inability of the H.D.Deva Gowda clan to overcome narrow provincialism. Certainly the BJP did not deserve a lowlife like Yeddyurappa but that cannot alter the fact that he almost single-handedly brought the party to maturation in the state. He opened the gates to the South for the Bharatiya Janata Party.

The Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangha has long opposed the cult of personality because it dilutes ideology. Personality cult makes an organization over-dependent on one person than ideology whose immortality is more reasonably assured. The RSS is a living example of this. But when a political party expands rapidly, as the Bharatiya Janata Party has in Karnataka in the last twenty years, ideology cedes to mass politics, and personalities grow more important than principles. Even so, when Yeddyurappa became chief minister of a solely BJP government in 2008 with much fanfare, Atal Behari Vajpayee, then proceeding into political sanyas, warned him against losing sight of governance.

But power went to Yeddyurappa’s head. That is not all. Karnataka BJP leaders and their patrons in the central BJP commenced a loot of the state. One of the stories is that a domestic airline was soaring on the plunder of BJP MLAs till they decided to withdraw it lump sum (much like call money) because of looming government instability, in consequence of which the company crashed. The brigandage of central BJP leaders was of equal proportion but safely cached.

Yeddyurappa’s anger derives from central BJP leaders robbing him blind and dumping him whilst taking the high moral ground themselves when his position became untenable after the Lok Ayukta indictment. Central BJP leaders have made a tidy pile from the states of Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh as well but their chief ministers are master manipulators. They have got local Congress leaders in their pockets too. Yeddyurappa was on the whole less smart. But the way the cookie crumbled in Karnataka, everyone in the Bharatiya Janata Party ended up hurt, and it has needed Narendra Modi to somewhat salvage the situation.

The crisis in Karnataka is as much a crisis of the central BJP. If you have leaders in control of party affairs that cannot win their own elections, and have been failures in office as well, they cannot sit in judgment on others, and make life-and-death decisions about their careers. It does not surprise that the BJP rank and file is not with the central leaders. It has finally found a messiah in Narendra Modi. But Modi cannot be the long-term solution to the crisis facing the Bharatiya Janata Party. What after him? The BJP wouldn’t care very much for its Karnataka crisis repeating at the central level, although by some reckoning, it is already crisis-ridden.

The Karnataka crisis manifested earlier in a different form in Uttar Pradesh where the Bharatiya Janata Party collapsed in the absence of Kalyan Singh. That danger exists in Chhattisgarh and Madhya Pradesh and even in post-Modi Gujarat. The only solution is to return to the rigours of ideological and cadre-based politics, where all executive positions in the party hierarchy, from the president down, become elective ones. On account of states becoming so powerful, chief ministers also ought to be brought into central decision-making committees of the party. In this way, everyone becomes accountable, leadership is transparent and democratic, and the party becomes positioned on a higher plane than individuals.

In sum, the Bharatiya Janata Party must put its house in order before the general election. The Karnataka crisis must become the trigger and the reason for transformation.

[prashanth]

So what we are saying is BJP should become corrupt by promoting nepotism and corrupt leaders, just like INC so that it can come in power.

This is what happened in KA and as I said, the result is before us.
We need better performance, no infighting, development and zero corruption. Whatever be the party.
The biggest mistake one can make is to assume that the political groups are monolithic homogenous bodies and every member within it conforms to a single ideology and has the same character. Far from reality.

[vivek.rao]

http://www.firstpost.com/investing/cobr ... 55527.html

Earlier today, another such snake – a Cobra no less – went public with its sensational sting expose of a string of Indian banks and financial institutions, both in the public and in the private sectors, that showed themselves to be ever ready to ingest black money to the tune of crores of rupees and launder them on behalf of their clients.

Ill-gotten black money, when invested by exploiting the labyrinthine mazes in the financial system, comes with ‘guaranteed returns’, with property as collateral to underwrite the investment –Reuters
The mid-level managerial staff at all these institutions showed remarkable enterprise in familiarising the Cobrapost sting reporters with the myriad ways in which their (notional) ill-gotten gains could be made squeaky clean – and simultaneously generate a supernormal rate of return that we thought only the Robert Vadras of the world were entitled to.

No money evidently changed hands, but the blasé readiness with which virtually all of the managers shared intimate details of the patently criminal manner in which the funds would be handled pointed us to the parallel universe that operates just for the corrupt to launder their black money.

In one of the more bizarre sting operations videos, the intrepid Cobrapost reporter follows successive leads provided by an Indian Bank manager in a Hyderabad office, and is introduced to a doctor-cum-real-estate developer (who claims connections to actor-politician Chiranjeevi and Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Kiran Kumar Reddy) who unveils a fail-safe investment scheme. Under this, a black money investment – of even up to Rs 50 crore – can be channeled through the property developer, and converted to white. With interest.

But more bizarrely, the black money ‘investor’ is able to secure a ‘guarantee’ on his investment: property worth an equivalent amount will be transferred to his name, he is reassured, just for him to know that his money is safe. And, even more strikingly, the Primary Education Minister of Andhra Pradesh offers verbal guarantee to the ‘black money’ investor about the safety of his illegal ‘investment’.

In other words, ill-gotten black money, when invested by exploiting the labyrinthine mazes in the financial system, comes with ‘guaranteed returns’, with property as collateral to underwrite the investment – and the word of honour of a Minister of the State. And at the end of it all, it changes its karma and flows back in as white money.

This is the reason for Chiranjeevi or Siaddaramaih to enter into Congress.

Sonia is counting on this network of people who will bring her back. This is the network who will finance to make sure that Pawars and Nitish hold the key to NDA Govt. rather than Modi. Can Modi overcome this?

[shaardula]

why? siddaramiah has his own networks. nothing when compared to revanna led ministry for jds and dk shivakumar led ministry for congress. but significant enough.
there are simple examples like the chamalapura thermal plant that show that whatever his other dealings may be, siddaramiah has his ears to ground when it comes issues of mysore.

[rkirankr]

Chetan Bhagat ‏@chetan_bhagat 8h BJP fired a corrupt CM. They will lose Karnataka. If they had kept him, they'd have won.If voters don't care for corruption,who's to blame?

[Pratyush]

Karnataka is will now suffer the same fate that Bihar suffered under lalu.

congratulations to the state population.

[shaardula]

Karnataka is will now suffer the same fate that Bihar suffered under lalu.

congratulations to the state population.

i know, exactly! all these idiot kannad people with their stupid castes and idiotic non-workable ideologies cant tell their ass from their mouth. if they knew what was good for them, they would have elected the great white hope known as bjp with its charismatic leader yediyurappa. he's so cute and cudly yaar, great believer of astrology and all he was. so sad, they lost him. and the reddy brothers, they were so dashing only no yaar? great capitalists they are. tata and birla reincarnate only they are.

[RajeshA]

With NaMo calling up Lalu Yadav to inquire about his health there is some speculation about what Modi may have up his sleeve.

The Yadavs have remained outside the pull of BJP till now ever since VP Singh mixed his toxic potion of Mandal. Could it be that Modi may be thinking of pulling the Yadav vote into BJP!

It is clear that the BJP is parting company from JD(U) in Bihar. It is also clear that BJP would make a play for MBC and Mahadalits in Bihar along with BJP's traditional vote-banks. If one throws in the Yadavs, then this combination becomes unassailable - in fact sets up a whole Hindu coalition.

If it is clear for Lalu that NDA would be coming into power at the center, while in Bihar, he may not be able to push Nitish Kumar out on his own, then what are the chances of him having any power at all in the coming five years?!

Modi may be trying for a complete realignment in the Hindi heartland, or he may be trying some subtler strategy of fragmenting Muslim votes.

[Sushupti]

So what we are saying is BJP should become corrupt by promoting nepotism and corrupt leaders, just like INC so that it can come in power. And we wonder what ails India? Come 2047, people would be still lamenting 100 years of freedom from the British and how politicians are still corrupt and things are the same irrespective of parties.

Problem is that we want our leaders to put on Gandhian morality jacket. Why a CM or PM should live the austere life of MG?. Didn't our kings used to enjoy luxury and yet they used to be honest toward interests of the people?.

Are Indians corrupt?

http://creative.sulekha.com/are-indians ... 03580_blog

[Sushupti]

With NaMo calling up Lalu Yadav to inquire about his health there is some speculation about what Modi may have up his sleeve.

The Yadavs have remained outside the pull of BJP till now ever since VP Singh mixed his toxic potion of Mandal. Could it be that Modi may be thinking of pulling the Yadav vote into BJP!

It is clear that the BJP is parting company from JD(U) in Bihar. It is also clear that BJP would make a play for MBC and Mahadalits in Bihar along with BJP's traditional vote-banks. If one throws in the Yadavs, then this combination becomes unassailable - in fact sets up a whole Hindu coalition.

If it is clear for Lalu that NDA would be coming into power at the center, while in Bihar, he may not be able to push Nitish Kumar out on his own, then what are the chances of him having any power at all in the coming five years?!

Modi may be trying for a complete realignment in the Hindi heartland, or he may be trying some subtler strategy of fragmenting Muslim votes.

If BJP can manage to co-opt Yadavs in cow-belt it will rule for long time to come.

[RamaY]

Problem is that we want our leaders to put on Gandhian morality jacket. Why a CM or PM should live the austere life of MG?. Didn't our kings used to enjoy luxury and yet they used to be honest toward interests of the people?.

Was MKG moral in all his political dealings?

The question is what is first for BJP. Clean image and then power or get into power to bring their vision of clean and nationalistic governance. Without power BJP cannot do anything. It is not a social organization which will continue to do its social service, even if not in power.

[ramana]

Inquiries about Lalu Yadav's health could be to tell Nitish Kumar there are other options in Bihar.
Besides all national leaders called Lalu Yadav after his accident.


BTW the windshield suddenly shattered in Lalu Yadav's car.
What gives?

[RajeshA]

Inquiries about Lalu Yadav's health could be to tell Nitish Kumar there are other options in Bihar.

I think it was more than a shot across the bow!

The parting of ways with JD(U) is almost a done thing! What comes next is BJP trying to win in Bihar without JD(U). And possibly this call was an opening shot!

Let's see how far Lalu gets inspired by Modi's Krishna Leela!

[RoyG]

Food Security Bill (Bankrupt India Bill) is being being pushed through Parliament by Congress. After Karnataka results released general elections IMO may be declared within 3 months.

[Sanku]

BJP **CAN NOT** go with Lalu in Bihar -- impossible, both Lalu's voters will desert it for Congress and BJP voters will desert it for JD(U)

If there was any mechanism to gift UPA third term, this is it (with JDU in it)

[Muppalla]

BJP **CAN NOT** go with Lalu in Bihar -- impossible, both Lalu's voters will desert it for Congress and BJP voters will desert it for JD(U)

If there was any mechanism to gift UPA third term, this is it (with JDU in it)

Sanku ji. Going for Kumaraswamy is similar to going for Lalu but not as bad as Lalu plan. Both are not for real discussion.

[Sanku]

BJP **CAN NOT** go with Lalu in Bihar -- impossible, both Lalu's voters will desert it for Congress and BJP voters will desert it for JD(U)

If there was any mechanism to gift UPA third term, this is it (with JDU in it)

Sanku ji. Going for Kumaraswamy is similar to going for Lalu but not as bad as Lalu plan. Both are not for real discussion.

Mupalla-ji; there is no ideological or caste animosity in the Kumarswamy and BJP case. In case of Laloo there are both reasons. Kumarswamy is only rank opportunist. So is Laloo, but those who are riding on him are not, and he knows that.

Kumarswamy is more like Behenji than Mullah I Yam or Laloo.

That said, I agree that coming together seems difficult, this was more of unreal discussion.

[Sushupti]

Image debate roils BJP

The BJP had lost no time in dumping B.S. Yeddyurappa once a Lokayukta report had named the then Karnataka chief minister in a land scam.

Most senior leaders were not persuaded by the argument that Yeddyurappa commanded 17 per cent captive Lingayat votes and his exit could dent the BJP’s base. He was seen as “dross” that ought to be thrown away if the BJP had to “shine like gold”.

Senior leaders, including Karnataka ministers, told L.K. Advani and Sushma that it was “imprudent” to let go of Yeddyurappa. But Advani and Sushma reportedly said Yeddyurappa’s continuance would hamper their national “fight” against the Congress’s “corruption”.

“Today, Yeddyurappa is hobnobbing with the Congress and ready to offer his support if the Congress is short of numbers,” said a Karnataka MP. “What did we gain by forcing him out?”

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130507/j ... YhKVEmZi1E

[merlin]

Karnataka is will now suffer the same fate that Bihar suffered under lalu.

congratulations to the state population.

i know, exactly! all these idiot kannad people with their stupid castes and idiotic non-workable ideologies cant tell their ass from their mouth. if they knew what was good for them, they would have elected the great white hope known as bjp with its charismatic leader yediyurappa. he's so cute and cudly yaar, great believer of astrology and all he was. so sad, they lost him. and the reddy brothers, they were so dashing only no yaar? great capitalists they are. tata and birla reincarnate only they are.

Time will tell if these Kannada people are too smart for their own good or not.

[Singha]

if getting rid of BSY was supposed to clear the deck for a no-holds fight with INC from a moral high ground on corruption, that has not happened under the delhi bjp for sure. other than routine noises which nobody cares about nothing like a rathyatra to arouse the huddled masses.

Namo might shift the equation, but imo the presence or absense of BSY in KT has no bearing on the battle between Namo and the D4 which must be resolved soon to see if the BJP can really take on the INC or co-exist peacefully as a team of B-listers hoping for invites to official functions, "respect" and lutyens bungalows only. none of the BJP chief ministers are part of that gravy train, so it must anger them to see a pack of parasites getting all the meat up north while they slave in the coal mines and get work done on the ground and keep the party alive against tall odds.

its the same disconnect between the 20 or so legion commanders in the field strung out from hadrians wall , through germany and bulgaria through palestine and west to egypt and libya while the 1000 of so roman patrician families indulge in the most sensuous and debauched lifestyles and have servants trek 50 km away to fetch ice from the mountains to make their ice cream and cool their bath water. sometimes things come to a head and people like julius ceaser cross the rubicon river to kick out the old elite and install his own system.

give me a field commander, no matter what his imperfections over a well educated but hands-off talker who will talk panchsheel and detente at the very sight of a sword! {rommel,guderian,von kleist} vs {kietel,heidrich,himmler} take your pick.

[RamaY]

I am hoping against hope Ktaka shows some wisdom.