Levant crisis - III

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2016 11:08

kuznetsov has started her long journey to syria from its arctic lair yesterday - should reach in around 14 days perhaps

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ru ... ads-syria/

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Oct 2016 11:31

It should be v.interesting to see her operations once they start. The Kuz is also there to beef up Russian mil capability as the Yanquis have started sabre rattling,threatening to attack Russian-Syrian forces. I see into the future that we will also see the presence of more Russian ground forces protecting their naval and air bases and other strategic positions essential for their control over the country.The ones who should start sweating are the Saudis and the "pocket powers " of the Gulf.They are punching way above their weight and are heading for a catastrophic debacle in the future. The ascending power in the region is Iran.The link up through Shiite Iraq of Iranian forces with the Syro-Russo war machine will slice through ISIS and the mercenary "rebels". Russian N-war civilian exercises and moving tactical missiles into the Baltic region are not mere shadow boxing.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2016 11:45

the hangars looked empty in that pic. perhaps when she is underway with a headwind, the fighter air wing would fly out and join her from their shore base. american CVNs are also mostly empty when docked at home port ...the fighters and helis seem to fly out a couple hours before landfall and fly back in when a voyage starts.

by the time it nears the GIUK gap we would know

bartania would be ready to strike a blow for democracy by deputing a couple of typhoons to spot the carrier...with nimrods retired they have no LRMP a/c at present

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Oct 2016 11:51

Singha wrote:I guess the decapitating strike based on humint spotters was intended as a shock n awe thing to strike fear into surviving leadership and impose a peace talks on strong saudi dictated terms.

however as it often happens, like post-barbarossa, post loss of kiev, kharkov and smolensk, with panzers knocking on the gates of moscow and leningrad, it has had the opposite impact and a "great patriotic war" call has gone out and tribes will probably flock under that banner....in a land where tribes could fight pitched battles over grazing and water rights, the sheikhs are highly influential elders and their assassination will not go down well among the boys.

I think it was foolish on part of Yemen too to have all the top leadership attend a funeral at one place , that would have definitely given Saudi a one in life chance to eliminate their top leadership which they did likely with US support as later US defended the strike

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2016 15:46

old putin interview

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Oct 2016 17:26

some interesting info from Putins interview yesterday

https://www.rt.com/news/362554-putin-west-syria-war/

“It has been proposed that our armed units, Russian military personnel, be deployed on the road to ensure transit safety [for aid convoys to Aleppo]. The Russian military, who are courageous and decisive people, have said they would do it,” said Putin, who said that the initiative, which had not previously been made public, was an “exotic proposal.”

“But I told them that this could only be done jointly with the US, and ordered them to make the proposal. We have proposed this, and they [the Americans] promptly refused. They do not want to deploy their troops there, but they also do not want to pull back opposition groups – who are, in fact, terrorists. What can we do in this situation?”

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Oct 2016 17:54

German Foreign Minister and Former MI6 Boss: US-Russia Tensions Now More Dangerous than During the Cold War

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-1 ... ngerous-du

Germany’s Foreign Minister – Frank-Walter Steinmeier , It’s a fallacy to think that this is like the Cold War. The current times are different and more dangerous.

The head of Britain’s intelligence service, MI6 – Sir John Sawyers – agreed yesterday:

We are moving into an era that is as dangerous, if not more dangerous, as the cold war because we do not have that focus on a strategic relationship between Moscow and Washington.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Oct 2016 19:20

Meanwhile US & Russia relations are now on a Downhill and getting worse every today.

Todays Russian Foreign office statement on Syria and Russian-US relation

https://en.ria.ru/politics/201610131046 ... -briefing/

"The main topic will be the discussion of prospects of Syrian settlement with an emphasis on the necessity to renew the ceasefire regime on the basis of the agreements reached by Russia and the United States on September 9 in Geneva," Zakharova told a briefing.

According to her, all sides have to take on certain obligations and work with the sides on the ground to ensure full adherence to the rules of the ceasefire. "Real premises for renewal of the political process in the Syrian settlement will be created should [the talks] be successful," Zakharova added.

On Russia-US relations

The US is calling on expanding anti-Russian sanctions aiming to hit Russian economy. Pentagon continues to step up it military might. Anti-Russian propaganda increased to the unprecedented level in the mass media, the US citizens are literally brainwashed, they believe Russia is a threat.

The White House countinues to blame Russian of hacker attacks on the Democratic Party sites without providing any evidence.

The spokeswoman said that the actions of the current US administration towards Russia were very dangerous.

"We notice with regret how Washington continues ruining our bilateral relations," Zakharova added. "But I've got a question, after all we heard from the US, is one candidate's victory and certain political groups' support worth a cyberconflict [with Russia]?" Zakharova told journalists.

The current US authorities or those who will replace them after the elections should not harbor any illusions that Russia can be pressured, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said Thursday. "Nobody should have any illusions that Russia can be pressured — neither the current US authorities, nor the ones that will replace them. One would like to hope that the new ones will be smarter than their predecessors," Zakharova told a briefing.

The White House claims in relation to Russia over reports of hacker attacks are "bewildering," Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said. "The statements of the White House on the administration’s intention to take proportional retaliatory measures in relation to hacker attacks on US websites are bewildering," Zakharova told a briefing. She added that Russia received no official requests or accusations from Washington in relation to the issue.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Oct 2016 19:32

Royal Air Force Pilots Ordered To Shoot Down "Hostile" Russian Jets Over Syria
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-1 ... over-syria

their aircraft have been armed with air-to-air missiles and the pilots have been given the green light to defend themselves if they are threatened by Russian pilots.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Oct 2016 19:43

BREAKING: “The Russian aviation carries out single pinpoint strikes on targets outside #Aleppo and outside residential areas. Those targets are verified in advance. We do not strike weddings and funeral trains," – Russian General Staff. #Syria

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 13 Oct 2016 19:46

UQ is punching way above its weight.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2016 19:48

what exactly is the RAF going over Syria ?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2016 19:57

latest houthi ambush
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/vi ... ces-jizan/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2016 20:00

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us ... cks-syria/

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Oct 2016 21:45

False flag attacks yes, but who can see the paint scheme on an airplane during an air raid by jet fighters? Satellite / Radar tracks establish where they took off and where they return.

UQ action suggests that there have been a few Close Encounters already that causes severe demand for underwear-laundry in UQ airbases.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 13 Oct 2016 21:54

Russia recalls all diplomatic staff abroad, prepares for WW3:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l-war.html

40 million Russian citizens taking part in nuclear attack drills; testing bomb/fallout shelters, civil defense systems
https://geopolitics.co/2016/10/04/russi ... ities/amp/

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 13 Oct 2016 21:57

Austin wrote:Royal Air Force Pilots Ordered To Shoot Down "Hostile" Russian Jets Over Syria
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-1 ... over-syria

their aircraft have been armed with air-to-air missiles and the pilots have been given the green light to defend themselves if they are threatened by Russian pilots.

I would like to see this one going down.

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 13 Oct 2016 22:05

Its just for public consumption. The united poodledom has as much or less capabilities than the french in middle east. They will hide behind US.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 13 Oct 2016 22:37

If WW3 really does break out, obviously it will go nuclear very quickly. Russia would be decimated in a conventional fight leaving them no choice but to go nuclear or accept a humiliating defeat and subsequent mass-destabilization of their country. Maybe Putin would just accept defeat gracefully? Or maybe they'd rather take the US down with them? Hard to say who's crazier these days. The globalists seem hell-bent on taking down Russia at any cost so who knows.

If nuclear WW3 happens I wonder what becomes of our little subcontinent? Does Pakistan just say "Inshallah" and nuke us?

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 13 Oct 2016 22:38

If their nukes work or they have them, both are doubtful.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 13 Oct 2016 22:42

Yeah. Most of their fighters are junk.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 13 Oct 2016 22:52

Ah but what about all their Noko/PRC-built missiles. There's no shortage of SRBM's and IRBM's the Pakis can throw at us.

I wonder how Bangalore would fare... not that I'm worried about getting vaporized or anything...

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 13 Oct 2016 22:54

As a recent learner of Russian history, I can predict one thing that will happen. If it goes nookular, it wont be Russia starting it.

If hostilities do break out into war in the field, it will be a war at home in terms of body bags. The number of kids reaching home in body bags for EU, massa and Russia will start on an exponential curve.

The question is: Who has the stomach for that? I certainly know who doesn't have it. They will go noookolar first (if they dont fold by that time)

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 13 Oct 2016 22:56

It's all a game of chicken. Putin will win, because the Americans are chicken even when it comes to Pakistan.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 13 Oct 2016 22:59

Exactly. For Syria its an existential crisis. Just like Bakistan is for us. For Russia, its chaos much closer to home. For Massa and EU, all they really need to do is seal their borders from the hordes.

Bottomline: Who has the most to lose, and who has the stomach to endure?

kit · Post by **kit** » 13 Oct 2016 23:00

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/u-s-fires- ... 5165891799

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 13 Oct 2016 23:02

So how is Putin going to react if Hillary imposes no fly over zone Russia as promised? Knowing USA, this is very distinct possibility.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 13 Oct 2016 23:04

Important question: How are they going to impose it? One Gen. Dunford gave an answer to a certain Senator. Does any other way exist?

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 13 Oct 2016 23:05

^^ oops that should be "over Syria".

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 13 Oct 2016 23:07

Even so Dipanker, how will they impose it?

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 13 Oct 2016 23:51

UQ is punching way above its weight.

Not punching yet, just talking. And, talk is cheap. UQ is emitting lot of hot air.

The question is who wants to fly in air (mizzile or airkraft) knowing fully well Ru will want to shoot it. Like the kids story of mice arguing who would tied the bell around cat. Interesting things is that Ru is as much interested in testing capability of Yes-300/400s in real life combat as Wyest who also want to see if these systems are as capable as they are talked about. So, odds are high something is going to fall off from sky. And, is it a coincidence that, if my reading is correct, Admiral Kuznetsov reaches on election day??

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 13 Oct 2016 23:53

RAF chief has already cautioned about belligerence... he's not stupid, he knows exactly how vulnerable they are to Ru air defences
Bo-Jo is talking out of his musharraf again - he is pretty toothless so can bark as much as he wants before mummy tells him to hush

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 13 Oct 2016 23:57

haha...anything from BoJo is even stinkier hot air

there you go....some more hot air

Obama To Decide Friday On Military Action In Syria

Looks like O needs some more material to fill pages of his million $$ book deal

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 14 Oct 2016 00:42

hopefully, Putin is going to send even more men, equipment, ships, mijjles, etc., to help Assad.

let's hope China gets involved also. then they are sure to win.

thank you baby Jesus for these thy gifts for which we are about to receive.

they better go help the houthies too in their struggle with Uncle Sams floating tin cans.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 14 Oct 2016 00:50

^^ Puck-puck-puck-puck Puck-AAAAAAAACK

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 14 Oct 2016 01:18

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/a ... 56045.html

Analysis: What is Turkey trying to achieve in Iraq?

Erdogan also said that Turkey is determined to participate in the operation to retake Mosul from ISIL, with or without Baghdad's approval. Turkish media later reported that Turkey is planning to participate in the Mosul operation with an invitation from the president of the Kurdistan Regional Government, Masoud Barzani.

After Mosul is recaptured, Erdogan added, "only Sunni Arabs, Turkmen and Sunni Kurds should remain there". His comments prompted the government-backed Shia militias, known as the Hashd al-Shaabi (Popular Mobilisation Forces), to issue a statement condemning Erdogan's "racist proposal to change Mosul's demographics".

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 14 Oct 2016 02:05

UK & France plan escalating military conflict in Sy http://www.globalresearch.ca/britain-an ... ia/5550681

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 14 Oct 2016 02:07

Hopefully there won't be a N war any where. As a ref when Chernobyl exploded same radiation was detected in Toronto within 3 days. In case of many nukes going off in Europe-Ru area, massive radiation fall out will make life impossible and several million will die and countries may perish.
Are Eu countries that stupid to stake their survival for a war which is primarily US's?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 14 Oct 2016 02:11

US and Russia 'will go to war' unless proxy Syria conflict resolved, Turkey warns http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 58691.html

Talks between the two nations broke down following the bombing of a UN and Red Crescent convoy during a ceasefire on September 19. Relations between Russia and the other permanent members of the UN Security Council have also deteriorated over Russia's role in backing renewed Syrian government air strikes which are decimating rebel-held neighbourhoods in Aleppo and elsewhere across the country.

In the Syrian crisis, international delegations are meeting in Lausanne, Switzerland this weekend - without representatives from either the Syrian government or opposition - to try and resurrect a path to peace in the multi-sided conflict.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Oct 2016 03:13

there won't be a 3rd WW, the POTUS and PORFS will fight to the last Syrian
this is good old fashioned proxy war baby