Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 20 Jun 2019 05:17
Appears Trump wants to cut H1B visas to India to 10-15% as a measure against data localization.
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H1bs issued today don't benefit indian companies. Most of them goes to fly by night consulting companies. Why should India bother about it. Having said that, I believe data localisation will be reviewed. It is typical of Modi government to announce something and then change the stance after MNC companies make a huge and cry about it.ramana wrote:Appears Trump wants to cut H1B visas to India to 10-15% as a measure against data localization.


Please provide reference cases of how the government previously implemented policy in this manner.uskumar wrote:H1bs issued today don't benefit indian companies. Most of them goes to fly by night consulting companies. Why should India bother about it. Having said that, I believe data localisation will be reviewed. It is typical of Modi government to announce something and then change the stance after MNC companies make a huge and cry about it.ramana wrote:Appears Trump wants to cut H1B visas to India to 10-15% as a measure against data localization.
Making sweeping statements such as 'modi government to announce something and change the stance after MNC companies make hue and cry about it' are best supported through cases.uskumar wrote:H1bs issued today don't benefit indian companies. Most of them goes to fly by night consulting companies. Why should India bother about it. Having said that, I believe data localisation will be reviewed. It is typical of Modi government to announce something and then change the stance after MNC companies make a huge and cry about it.ramana wrote:Appears Trump wants to cut H1B visas to India to 10-15% as a measure against data localization.
No idea what Trump or anyone is yelling about. That is the norm in financial systems. Vanguard offers its services across the globe, but guarantees that data will not cross national boundaries. It has been doing that for eons.Data Localization is even more critical and no nation in the world should allow their nation's data to be stored anywhere else
The Trump administration seems to come up with these half-baked ideas to implement policy at the executive branch. More than likely this has been coming from Stephen Miller who has been giving Trump bad counsel. Miller is Jewish but an absolute racist when it comes to immigration. He doesn't know how to implement policy and has ideas on immigration which backfire. Case in point was that in 2017, the US congress offered Trump ten-of-billions for a border wall in exchange for DACA amnesty. Miller convinced Trump to turn it down, even though it came from their own party, and subsequently resulted in the 35-day US government shutdown last Dec-Jan.g.sarkar wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartande ... a719ae71a2
Attorneys Say Trump Lacks Legal Authority To Limit H-1B Visas For Indians
Stuart Anderson
As part of its increasingly tense trade dispute with India, Trump administration officials have threatened to severely limit the number of H-1B visas high-skilled professionals from India can receive. But does the Trump administration possess this type of unilateral authority?
“The United States has told India it is considering caps on H-1B work visas for nations that force foreign companies to store data locally . . . widening the two countries’ row over tariffs and trade,” reports Reuters. On June 15, 2019, India retaliated against the United States by increasing tariffs on a small set of U.S. imports, including apples and finished metal products, after the U.S. rescinded India’s trade privileges under the Generalized System of Preferences, according to the Washington Post.
As with other administration trade actions, the dispute did not end there. Reuters reported:
Two senior Indian government officials said on Wednesday they were briefed last week on a U.S. government plan to cap H-1B visas issued each year to Indians at between 10% and 15% of the annual quota. There is no current country-specific limit on the 85,000 H-1B work visas granted each year and an estimated 70% go to Indians.
Both officials said they were told the plan was linked to the global push for “data localization,” in which a country places restrictions on data as a way to gain better control over it and potentially curb the power of international companies. U.S. firms have lobbied hard against data localization rules around the world.
A Washington-based industry source aware of India-U.S. negotiations also said the United States was deliberating capping the number of H-1B visas in response to global data storage rules. The move, however, was not solely targeted at India, the source said. “The proposal is that any country that does data localization, then it (H-1B visas) would be limited to about 15% of the quota. It’s being discussed internally in the U.S. government,” the person said.
In FY 2017, Indian nationals, working for a variety of employers, received approximately 63% of the H-1B petitions for initial employment in the United States, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) data. Initial employment cases are primarily those that count against the annual H-1B limit of 65,000, plus a 20,000 exemption for individuals with a master’s degree or higher from a U.S. university. Reducing the annual number for India from over 60% down to 10% would mean up to 45,000 fewer Indians a year would obtain a new H-1B petition each year, based on a National Foundation for American Policy estimate.
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RamanaGaru, here is my exachage with 2 this MIT dude who revels in condescending sarcasam against ModiJi, and of course well-known ModiJi hater and so called 'economist' Rupa subramanyaramana wrote:Next 18 months will be choppy relations between US and India. mainly due to former.
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Absolutely. What this shows is @realDonaldTrump does not take India and it’s foreign policy establishment seriously. He’s not impressed by Yoga Day, soft power and Pakodanomics. What he cares about is playing hard ball with someone as tough and crafty as he is.Rupa Subramanya added,
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Even the most die-hard rosiest-color-glasses defenders of the state of US-India relations have to concede that this is....bad. https://twitter.com/suhasinih/status/11 ... 8412762112 …
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If Indians by and large take pride in & do Yoga, its a great thing, doesn't matter what a thug like Trump thinks. Setting aside "India is emerging superpower" delusion, it is clear that US white Christian nationalism & strong Hindu nationalist India are oil and water, immiscible
I think this was an attempt by #mediapimps and their backers to do the following:g.sarkar wrote:https://www.news18.com/news/india/no-pl ... _top_pos_1
In Big Relief for Indian Techies, US Says No Plans to Cap H-1B Visa Program Over Data Storage Debate
Remember the 2-bit #DoltEconomist Rupa spews non-sense. And she wants to be "in news" so that she can sell her wares. Best thing is to ignore her.CRamS wrote:
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Absolutely. What this shows is @realDonaldTrump does not take India and it’s foreign policy establishment seriously. He’s not impressed by Yoga Day, soft power and Pakodanomics. What he cares about is playing hard ball with someone as tough and crafty as he is.Rupa Subramanya added,
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Seems like Rumour being encouraged by China, leftist, Congress leaning media.ramana wrote:Appears Trump wants to cut H1B visas to India to 10-15% as a measure against data localization.
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China gets 91% of its Oil from the Straight, Japan 62%, & many other countries likewise. So why are we protecting the shipping lanes for other countries (many years) for zero compensation. All of these countries should be protecting their own ships on what has always been....
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....a dangerous journey. We don’t even need to be there in that the U.S. has just become (by far) the largest producer of Energy anywhere in the world! The U.S. request for Iran is very simple - No Nuclear Weapons and No Further Sponsoring of Terror!
But here's the good part. Under Trump, the USCIRF (as with many other government departments and bodies) has been handed over to a loudmouth Trump-supporter to run. Meet the current Chair of the USCIRF......
In response to a question about the latest report on International Religious Freedom published by the US State Department, External Affairs Ministry spokesperson Raveesh Kumar said the Indian Constitution guarantees fundamental rights to all its citizens including minority communities.
It is widely acknowledged India is a vibrant democracy where the Constitution provides protection of religious freedom, and where democratic governance and rule of law further promote and protect the fundamental rights, he said.
India sees no locus standi for a foreign entity or government to pronounce on the state of its citizens constitutionally protected rights, the spokesperson added.
LOTS of ammunition here folks. Not just against USCIRF itself, which is bad enough, but against all the FOIL/FOSA/Berkeley-Haas scumbags who partnered with it in the campaign to deny Modi a visa, and continue to piggyback on its "reports" to justify their Hinduphobic activism even today.Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, was elected chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom on Monday, according to a press release. The USCIRF is a bipartisan commission created in 1998 whose members are appointed by the president and congressional leaders.
When Perkins was appointed to the Commission last year on the recommendation of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Right Wing Watch noted that his appointment was “deeply troubling given the long track record that Perkins and FRC have had in spreading anti-Muslim rhetoric in the United States.”![]()
As recently as 2015, Perkins claimed that Islam “is incompatible with the Constitution.”That same year, he defended calls to restrict the immigration of Muslims by declaring that “only 16 percent of Islam is a religion.”
The year before, he suggested that Christians who support legal equality for LGBTQ people don’t have the same legal protections as more conservative Christians, because a “true religious freedom” has to be “based on orthodox religious viewpoints.”
It’s also worth noting that the Family Research Council is one of the Religious Right groups that have eagerly worked with the most religiously oppressive regimes—those classified by the USCIRF as among the worst for religious liberty—in order to resist international recognition for the rights of LGBTQ people and to defend governments’ right to enforce “traditional” religious views on gender, sexuality, and family.
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Perkins urged pastors and churches to adopt prisoners of conscience and pray for religious freedom for “every man, woman and child on the face of the planet.” It’s good to hear Perkins affirming that religious freedom is for everyone, because he and his FRC colleague Jerry Boykin have a decidedly mixed record at best when it comes to defending the First Amendment rights of American Muslims
The rest is tame.,..................
To allow for transfer of technology for building combat jets locally and other joint ventures, the United States had sought guarantees for the protection of classified information and technology.
A draft of the agreement called Industrial Security Annex is now ready and will go up before the Indian cabinet for approval in the next few weeks, sources aware of the India-US defence negotiations said.
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The New York Times has publicly acknowledged that it sends some of its stories to the US government for approval from “national security officials” before publication.
This confirms what veteran New York Times correspondents like James Risen have said: The American newspaper of record regularly collaborates with the US government, suppressing reporting that top officials don’t want made public.
Let's stand up together for religious freedom, says Mike Pompeo days after US releases report on mob attacks in India
Jun 26, 2019.
New Delhi: Asserting that the world is worse off when religious rights are compromised, US secretary of state Mike Pompeo on Wednesday called for speaking "strongly" in favour of religious freedom, days after the US alleged that mob attacks by violent extremist Hindu groups against minority communities, particularly Muslims, continued in India in 2018.
Last week, the US state department, in its annual 2018 International Religious Freedom Report, had alleged that "mob attacks by violent extremist Hindu groups against minority communities, particularly Muslims, continued in India in 2018, amid rumours that victims had traded or killed cows for beef", evoking a sharp reaction from the ruling BJP which said it shows a clear bias against the Narendra Modi government.
"India is the birthplace of four major world religions. Let's stand up together for religious freedom for all. Let's speak out strongly together in favour of those rights for whenever we do compromise those rights, the world is worse off," Pompeo said in his 'India policy speech' at the India International Centre in New delhi.
Apart from referring to violence against minorities, the US report, released on 21 June, also alleged that some senior leaders of the BJP "made inflammatory speeches against minority communities".
Reacting sharply to the report, BJP media head and Rajya Sabha MP Anil Baluni in a statement said, "The basic presumption in this report that there is some grand design behind anti-minority violence is simply false. On the contrary, in most of such cases, these instances are carried out as a result of local disputes and by (people with) criminal mindsets."
Whenever needed, Prime Minister Narendra Modi and other BJP leaders have strongly deplored violence against minorities and weaker sections of the society, he added.
Earlier, Pompeo, who is in New Delhi on a two-day visit, called on Modi and held comprehensive talks with his Indian counterpart S Jaishankar.
Lets stand up together for religious freedom, says Mike Pompeo days after US releases report on mob attacks in India
US secretary of state Mike Pompeo on Wednesday. Twitter/@ANI
In his brief speech lasting nearly 15 minutes, Pompeo also said the US is pleased to see the UN designating Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar a global terrorist.
Recently, India voted against a Palestinian NGO that supported terrorism at the UN and showed rewarding terrorism is wrong, he said.
"India is more and more standing up on world stage and the US welcomes its assertiveness," Pompeo said.
He hailed Modi and President Donald Trump, saying they are leaders who aren't scared to take risks and the two countries are poised to do "incredible things together".
"We start from a good place we are blessed that India-US friendship is rooted in strong foundation. Rule of law, respect for human dignity, importance of civil society — these ideals are believed in by both Indians and Americans," he said, adding though the two nations are 10,000 miles away but as two democracies they are "very close" and ought to be even closer.
Talking about the meetings he had with the Indian leadership, he said the talks were not just about bilateral ties, but a lot of time was spent on important topics.
"There is a misconception that our countries cannot be full partners but that is not true look what already happened. You have made hard choices to cut off oil imports from Iran. You have gone away from purchasing Venezuelan oil. Those decisions weren't without cost. We are doing everything we can to ensure you have crude imports.We appreciate your efforts in pushing these regimes to behave like normal countries," Pompeo said.
"We shouldn't see each other only through bilateral lens. We should see each other for what we are, great democracies, good friends," he added.
Today, 60 percent of global maritime trade transits through India-Pacific, in past weeks Islamic Republic of Iran has attacked tankers from Japan, Norway, Saudi Arabia, and United Arab Emirates, he said.
Noting that for the first time in South China Sea, India and the US were able to reinforce their partnership and the freedom of navigation throughout international waterways, he also wondered,"Can America and India strategise more comprehensively on how to safeguard free and open seaways, all throughout the world. Can we work together towards cleaner energy."
DTCain Marko wrote:Pompeo sir lectures India on maintaining religious freedoms.. Ongoing story. Wonder who put him up to it?

Wesley Mathews, the Indian-American foster father of three-year-old Sherin Mathews, was sentenced to life in prison by a judge in Dallas on Wednesday for the death of the Indian toddler in 2017.
Mathews, 39, pleaded guilty Monday to a lesser charge of injury to a child in Sherin’s death. He was originally charged with capital murder by authorities in the US state of Texas.
Mathews stared ahead and did not look at jurors as the judge sentenced him to life in prison, US media reports said.
I understand that this family and some other associated ones have lost their PIO privileges.g.sarkar wrote:He got 30 to life. His life in prison will be a difficult one and he may be killed if he is not put in protective custody. Sherin was from an orphanage in India and was named Saraswati before adoption.
Gautam
Ironic - in the heydays of NAM - India was the one morally sermonizing the USramana wrote:DTCain Marko wrote:Pompeo sir lectures India on maintaining religious freedoms.. Ongoing story. Wonder who put him up to it?
In my neck of woods. I was there in Richardson when they were looking for the little girl. Heard on the radio that he will never get out of the prison alive, no chance of parole.chetak wrote:this unspeakable creep should have fried for his crime as did indeed his wife also deserved the same fate for ill treating the little kid.
such criminals rarely have a peaceful stay in prison.
Indian-American adoptive father of Sherin Mathews sentenced to life
Wesley Mathews, the Indian-American foster father of three-year-old Sherin Mathews, was sentenced to life in prison by a judge in Dallas on Wednesday for the death of the Indian toddler in 2017.
Mathews, 39, pleaded guilty Monday to a lesser charge of injury to a child in Sherin’s death. He was originally charged with capital murder by authorities in the US state of Texas.
Mathews stared ahead and did not look at jurors as the judge sentenced him to life in prison, US media reports said.