Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[Sri]

One thing I always repeat is that the core vote of parties is always very minimal in India. Core vote of Congress or BJP is actually around 10% only. Everything else comes based on perception, performance, mobilization, demographics. Problem in this discussion always is because of an assumption that congress has 25% or BJP has 30% core votes. I put out my neck and say again that the so called Hindutva vote never crossed 5% even in pure BJP states. Just because someone votes to BJP does not mean he is an ideological BJP/Hindutva person. Such persons never cross 10% of total votes.

In Delhi, the voter characteristics probably are as follows:
(1) Core BJP voter (Hindutva, small businessman, polarized due to Muslim moholla) Non-core voters (Sikhs due to SAD, caste based in the outer Delhi, some middle class voters who are traditional)
(2) Congress voter (Muslim, I-have-to-hate-BJP-no-matter-what types (aka secular), lower middle class, absolute poorer sections, SCs) Non-core voters (Jats due to Hooda, Sikhs due to MMS)
(3) Rest of the voters are split across BSP, JDU and even MDMK gets some votes

This time AAP got BJP's not core voters (some middle class voters who are traditional) and some Congress core (Muslim,lower middle class, absolute poorer sections) and entire congress core ( I-have-to-hate-BJP-no-matter-what types (aka secular) ). In the process BJP also picked up some non-core votes from INC as well.

In summary, we should never consider more than 10% of votes obtained as core vote.

Muppalla Sir,

I that case I am living in some other world only. Most of the time when I ask people around me bout their vote the answer is pretty straight forward BJP or Congress because they have been doing it traditionally (family vamily and all that). Some people who don't wanna tell say they 'vote according to candidate'.

Any ways having a huge percentage of floating voters is good in long run.

[manju]

a good side effect of AAP is that it will give Modi a good reason/excuse to get rid of the scum in the party.. which otherwise would have been difficult.

If Kejriwal contests against Modi, the public will ask why not against Rahul baaba. The public knows who is corrupt? I hope Kejriwal contests aginst modi.. it will expose his true colors.

[johneeG]

Archan ji, you forget what the weakest of all the links in their chain said. Something to the effect that - we will do something that you cannot even imagine. And he was not flustered.

Anyhow those who want to believe things can believe what they want. The facts will unfold in a way which will be decipherable but not avoidable.

It was all fun n games in Dilli saar. Harshwardhan ji is a gentleman, who got appointed too late. The BJP state unit more or less scrambled. Hawai promises like cutting electricity bill by half may have flown there in Dilli. Not sure they can repeat it all over the nation. And was it Ghadkari who was overseeing the BJP campaign in Delhi?
When NaMo is contesting personally, don't expect any stone unturned.
Hence, no doubt kejri will be blown away in the aandhi if he dares confront the TsuNaMo.

Don't know how true the news is, but if its true, then there maybe a following logic to it:
NaMo is the main campaigner for the BJP. In contrast, Fordriwal is not the main campaigner. The real campaigners of AAP are volunteers who go around asking everyone to believe in the cult of Fordriwal. If Fordriwal can tie down NaMo(or even if he can make NaMo concentrate just a bit extra on his own constituency) and thereby lessen a rally or two, that would be advantage to the anti-NaMo forces. So, its not whether he can win against NaMo. But, more of a distraction. And there is a hidden threat that if NaMo concentrates very less on his own constituency while being busy with the whole election rallies, then perhaps Fordriwal can use it. Again, he does not have to win. Just make it close and MSM will give enough coverage to seem as if the Fordriwal was the real winner.

Having said all that, I think NaMo is in a different league and Fordri will find it out.

One thing I always repeat is that the core vote of parties is always very minimal in India. Core vote of Congress or BJP is actually around 10% only. Everything else comes based on perception, performance, mobilization, demographics. Problem in this discussion always is because of an assumption that congress has 25% or BJP has 30% core votes. I put out my neck and say again that the so called Hindutva vote never crossed 5% even in pure BJP states. Just because someone votes to BJP does not mean he is an ideological BJP/Hindutva person. Such persons never cross 10% of total votes.

In Delhi, the voter characteristics probably are as follows:
(1) Core BJP voter (Hindutva, small businessman, polarized due to Muslim moholla) Non-core voters (Sikhs due to SAD, caste based in the outer Delhi, some middle class voters who are traditional)
(2) Congress voter (Muslim, I-have-to-hate-BJP-no-matter-what types (aka secular), lower middle class, absolute poorer sections, SCs) Non-core voters (Jats due to Hooda, Sikhs due to MMS)
(3) Rest of the voters are split across BSP, JDU and even MDMK gets some votes

This time AAP got BJP's not core voters (some middle class voters who are traditional) and some Congress core (Muslim,lower middle class, absolute poorer sections) and entire congress core ( I-have-to-hate-BJP-no-matter-what types (aka secular) ). In the process BJP also picked up some non-core votes from INC as well.

In summary, we should never consider more than 10% of votes obtained as core vote.

Muppalla Sir,

I that case I am living in some other world only. Most of the time when I ask people around me bout their vote the answer is pretty straight forward BJP or Congress because they have been doing it traditionally (family vamily and all that). Some people who don't wanna tell say they 'vote according to candidate'.

Any ways having a huge percentage of floating voters is good in long run.

Exactly. Most of the regular voters are also committed voters. The floating voters are generally also irregular voters. I think Muppalla garu is wrong on this count.

This election is special because many of the core voters are changing their affiliations and also the floating voters(i.e. irregular voters) are also voting. It is because of
a) NaMo effect
b) Dynasty effect(and what they have made of the country. After the NDA rule people can see the contrast clearly.
c) Rise of 24X7 media
d) Rise of Internet and cell phones.

Lots of info is available and lots of analysis is available. And it is reaching even the remote voters in rural areas. So, people are becoming politically wise.

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Muppalla garu,
the core voter can also vote against party to 'teach them a lesson'. Or the core voter can become disillusioned. The 'teach them a lesson' can happen when the party is seen to go against its core policies. BJP's Hindhuthva voter is likely to vote against the party if it is seen as shedding the Hindhuthva just to 'teach a lesson'. I would say that this happened in 2004 elections.

As for kongis, their core voters have become disillusioned because of the sheer mediocrity of the dynasty. So, they are looking for alternatives.

kejri to contest against modi.
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article-hl/GUJ ... 6-NOR.html

So this going to be a Modi vs Left Loonies contest in addition to Modi vs the Dynasty....Truly epic responsibility on Modi's shoulders.

Arjun saar,
its NaMo vs everyone else. Earlier the dynasty(i.e. pappu) was the kaptaan of everyone else. Now, MSM wants Fordriwal to lead them. They would not mind if Sushi aunty becomes the kaptaan also, anyone except NaMo will do.

[Singha]

earlier only diggy raja would openly challenge Namo everyday. Namo ignored him.
then Raul gandhi was the great white hope. Namo blanked him like 8-0.
now its kejriwal who is openly challenging Namo.

anyone who challenges Namo will be given airtime and full support by MSM.

[chaanakya]

Well I Kow the answer yet there is still time to ask the question.

Why Kejriwal has not announced to contest against Rahul gandhi or anyone who is PM candidate of UPA? Why this show of favouritism towards UPA. This is right time to finish the Party which did not bring JanLokapal Bill , indulged in rampant corruption for last ten years , gave one scam after another and ridiculed AAP to no end even before its formation.

[member_20317]

well people get frustrated..living in india, its very hard at times not to get upset about the sheer lack of civil attributes amongst some people. at the same time, other people or even the same, will then do something humane and entirely opposite that its reaffirming. seriously though, indian population wasted democratic rights and hence elected the wrong folks to power for much of their independence and paid the price, and are only now able to see through the deception, and some, not all. others despite being educated fall for all sorts of fancy tricks and silly gimmickry. hence the rise of AAP.

having said that, even though they may have made these choices, as a apeople they still held to a nation and contributed to its growth and security, despite the politicians. so that too speaks volumes. i remember what kjoishy said the other day - if you were living in the time of the muslim-turk invasions, would you have ever thought that a country like india would still exist and that their faith, hinduism would still exist. so the positives are there. only that i guess we all expect the progress had been much faster and better.

Your ideas remind me of my own manner of thought when I am not in a combative mood. But then again what if it is possible and not just a woozy gooey expectation meant only for being dashed on the cold stony ground of reality.

The Indians have actually turned for good. The near sweep in the 3 large states is a testimony to it. The turd affront non sense would not have been impossible in these states but the people do see through the haze and identify what is good for them.

Somebody did point it out that the new turds are merely the urbanized phenomena even in Delhi. The thing to worry is not AAP as such. The worry is for the forward button pushing whatsapp oriented people who are absolutely in charge of the new generation of urbanized Indian kid. That is a generation with privileges that would normally have served the civilization but will now hold candles, instead.

[SaiK]

given the pre-poll opinion data where people have voiced modi for pm, and ak for cm, is enough data for this aap to think twice to contest modi... now this itself is enough for him to get defeated. otoh, aap can't muster strength without any performance data on goverance against modi.. that is like self immolation to stand against modi in gujarat, specifically.

i hope mr. wal has not gone on too much alcohol after the dilli win against mrs. dixit.

[Muppalla]

JohneeG and sri sirs, I am not convinced about core (ideological) votes of main parties crossing 10% band. Hope I am wrong on that count.

[Sagar G]

i hope mr. wal has not gone on too much alcohol after the dilli win against mrs. dixit.

I hope he has and fights against Modi or Dr. Harshvardhan.

[svinayak]

well people get frustrated..living in india, its very hard at times not to get upset about the sheer lack of civil attributes amongst some people. at the same time, other people or even the same, will then do something humane and entirely opposite that its reaffirming. seriously though, indian population wasted democratic rights and hence elected the wrong folks to power for much of their independence and paid the price, and are only now able to see through the deception, and some, not all. others despite being educated fall for all sorts of fancy tricks and silly gimmickry. hence the rise of AAP.

having said that, even though they may have made these choices, as a apeople they still held to a nation and contributed to its growth and security, despite the politicians. so that too speaks volumes. i remember what kjoishy said the other day - if you were living in the time of the muslim-turk invasions, would you have ever thought that a country like india would still exist and that their faith, hinduism would still exist. so the positives are there. only that i guess we all expect the progress had been much faster and better.

old and revered uncle seems to be terribly confused... or is he really??

Anna Hazare confused about Kejriwal? Despite accusing AAP of misusing his name, Anna wants to see Arvind Kejriwal CM of Delhi

“I believe in the Constitution of India which does not support party system,” Anna said on a private television channel.
Despite this, he goes on to say: Kejriwal will become the CM one day and I congratulate him. This is really confusing for his followers, believe many. "If Anna is against party system, feels his name has been misused by Arvind Kejriwal and his team then he should not give confusing statements," says Rohit, who is a big supporter of Anna Hazare.

Saw Anna speak in a event recently along with Kiran Bedi. Anna is more of anti corruption and anti establishment person who has built an incredible credibility. He has brought down atleast 10-12 MH ministers who were corrupt.
He lives in mandirs and others take care of him. He does not have any possession of his own. There are only few people in any generation who are like this and every Indian has to meet him.
He is not a political player and has been outclassed by the political operators.

Kiran Bedi is more articulate and also very clear in her position. She clearly says she is non political and she supports reforms and change in the current system. She told how there are groups who want to subvert and keep the corruption still going on. She says that they want to create laws which keeps the corrupt people in power and also not allow the new people to enter the power. This looks more like coup than a ruling govt.

Congress reaped what it sowed: Kiran Bedi

[abhik]

kejri to contest against modi.
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article-hl/GUJ ... 6-NOR.html

Please do note that AK himself isn't going to contest against Modi, rather AAP is going to put up candidates in Gujarat, just like the rest of the country.

[Vayutuvan]

Strange why pappu wants unimaginable stuff now.

Shouldn't pappu be talking of more politics, more poll promises and rallies and prove himself more a little bit more than babalog politics?

So why change goalposts after a decade of con race rule?

What could pappu baba do?
1) emergency?
...

Rahul Gandhi said something like "now we will involve the people in an unimaginable way". Only emergency fits the bill (sending a large number to Indian version of a Gulag).

[krishnan]

[VikramS]

It is not what people of Delhi wanted for AAP which matters.

It's the FACT that AAP will now be marketed as the credible alternative to NaMo for the anti UPA vote.

Frankly Team A has won this round of dividing the urban middle class vote.

Team A has absolutely no problem in becoming Team B as long as NaMo can be slowed down.

[Cosmo_R]

It is not what people of Delhi wanted for AAP which matters.

It's the FACT that AAP will now be marketed as the credible alternative to NaMo for the anti UPA vote.

Frankly Team A has won this round of dividing the urban middle class vote.

Team A has absolutely no problem in becoming Team B as long as NaMo can be slowed down.

I read this just today in either ToI or HT (cannot find the link now) that said that in Delhi, 6 per cent of BJP voters went for AAP. For INC, that number was 36%. It went to say that the BJP knows well that an AAP in key states for the LS vote will disproportionately damage INC.

Anyone else read that?

[ramana]

The game plan was for AAP to capture the anti-Congress votes away from the BJP but not so much that they become a problem. Misfortunately the Delhi people voted out the Congress totally except in some minority dominated areas leading to this situation.

Role model was Chiranjeevi's PRP in Andhra Pradesh which won enough to prevent TDP winning and later merged with Congress.

The plan is not capable of being replicated all over India as India is not Delhi muncipal area.


For sake of argument lets expect AAP to go national and make it a triparty election. BJP will sitll get first place and with enough margin to form the govt. Congress will get distant third place and AAP will get second place and Left parties will be even distant fourth.
The future of Congress is mud is they dont get the Leader of Opposition position and the subsequent protection.

[sudarshan]

One would have expected the rats in the congress ship to start jumping by now. That they aren't yet doing so, seems to indicate that they're waiting and hedging their bets between AAP & BJP.

[RajeshA]

The game plan was for AAP to capture the anti-Congress votes away from the BJP but not so much that they become a problem. Misfortunately the Delhi people voted out the Congress totally except in some minority dominated areas leading to this situation.

Sonia's game plan was to have AAP win a clear majority finishing off both BJP and Congress, and at the same time getting Congress to win in Chhattisgarh while put up a decent fight in MP and Rajasthan.

This would have put AAP as a top contender as the main opposition against Congress in the urban areas and at the same time deflated Modi's tyres, which would have allowed the various secular outfits around the country to put up a strong showing.

Mixed Bag!

[SaiK]

now i think it is either reelection time or aap-ki-kangrez gov in dilli. q: will the voters choose dr vardhan or mr kajer halwa? now is the time modi needs to sit with vardhan, and get the most vulnerable areas with a sophisticated plan to not only remove corruption, but an emphatic plan to make dilli a real modern city.

[V_Raman]

That is why BJP holding Delhi/CH is such a great deal. ramanaji's observation on voting switch is key to the bind AAP/INC are in.

The only way now is for INC to co-opt AAP openly. Hence the talk of passing lokpal. Even there the strategy will be to try it, it will fail, and hope that BJP will be painted in the negative. Voters will not fall for this I think.

Other possibilities. Pak escalating is not probable at this stage as the elections are too close. Sympathy creating situation -- unlikely. Thought of emergency is going through my mind for the last year. In one act, we would be == to pak undoing all that was done over the last 2 decades.

[Kati]

One major Kolkata daily has stated that AK will contest in Amethi to challenge Shehzada. AAP's next plank is to bring that
IAS officer who went against Vadra property business under its fold and then field him shome other prominent place.......
Is this true? Then BJP needs to rework its entire election strategy.

[VikramS]

It is not what people of Delhi wanted for AAP which matters.

It's the FACT that AAP will now be marketed as the credible alternative to NaMo for the anti UPA vote.

Frankly Team A has won this round of dividing the urban middle class vote.

Team A has absolutely no problem in becoming Team B as long as NaMo can be slowed down.

I read this just today in either ToI or HT (cannot find the link now) that said that in Delhi, 6 per cent of BJP voters went for AAP. For INC, that number was 36%. It went to say that the BJP knows well that an AAP in key states for the LS vote will disproportionately damage INC.

Anyone else read that?

Each state is different. Remember that Delhi was ground zero of IAC and the anti-rape protests. There is a lot of ground level out on the street spirit running in Delhi.

Hence the total rout of the Congress.

In other parts of the country that ground level spirit is not directed against the Congress.

In those parts, what AAP will do is consolidate the "liberal", "communist", "secular" vote against the Congress, and prevent at least a portion of that from going to the BJP.

I doubt AAP will actually win any seat outside Delhi. Even Delhi may be doubtful.

But the Congress has succeeded in shifting the focus away from itself on to AAP. In the meantime they will be consolidating their vote-banks to thwart NaMo as much as possible.

Frankly in Delhi, this was the worst possible scenario given the anti-incumbency factor.

[RajeshA]

There are four ways to puncture Arvind Kejriwal

1. Take him up on the AAP's program and show it to the people that it is not implementable, has loads of holes and does not solve problems but in fact creates new ones. Also highlight a total lack of governance and administrative experience.
2. Use data on him and his associates to prove that they are just as corrupt as anybody he may have charged of corruption.
3. Highlight the anti-national credentials of his associates and the people from whom he seeks support. Tag him as HazratKejriwal!
4. Expose him as Sonia's hound, not as Congress B Team but as New Clean Sanctuary for Congress network.

[harbans]

Dynasty's objective is clear. They will sit it out in 2014. They will recoup for 5 years. They will allow BJP to salvage and grow the economy maybe to 4 Trilion USD GDP..go upto 9-10% rates. Then 2019 they will announce freebies and win. Then they will run a bit tight 4 years, and open up the purse a year down from 2023. That will get them to 2028. India will be khaali again and they will sit out another 5 years. Rinse and repeat cycle. This is bad news for India for these reasons:

If India is on top of Asia then all can co exist. CHina and India both.
If China gets to top overwhelmingly..then it will make India;s existence difficult. It will try best to break it up.

Put simply India could afford to go it easy and suffer poverty and dole out liberally as long as CHina was poor too. If the gap between CHina and India is so overwhelming that India is in no position to even catch up somewhere near..we are doomed on the strategic front. So we have to move quickly up on the GDP front so we can maintain some kind of balance. Else we will doubtless see problems emerging all North, West and East of our borders and within too.

[SBajwa]

I think the news about Kejriwal contesting against Modi is fake. It has to be fake.

Isn't there an article in Indian constitution that says that "Parliament candidates must local to the area where they have won the elections except for the appointed Rajya Sabha members".

[SBajwa]

by Harbans
Dynasty's objective is clear. They will sit it out in 2014. They will recoup for 5 years. They will allow BJP to salvage and grow the economy maybe to 4 Trilion USD GDP..go upto 9-10% rates. Then 2019 they will announce freebies and win.

People will ignore the freebies but only vote for the government that created the Roads, Jobs, infrastructure, etc. Like they did in Rajasthan and M.P.

[Jarita]

Dynasty's objective is clear. They will sit it out in 2014. They will recoup for 5 years. They will allow BJP to salvage and grow the economy maybe to 4 Trilion USD GDP..go upto 9-10% rates. Then 2019 they will announce freebies and win. Then they will run a bit tight 4 years, and open up the purse a year down from 2023. That will get them to 2028. India will be khaali again and they will sit out another 5 years. Rinse and repeat cycle. This is bad news for India for these reasons:

If India is on top of Asia then all can co exist. CHina and India both.
If China gets to top overwhelmingly..then it will make India;s existence difficult. It will try best to break it up.

Put simply India could afford to go it easy and suffer poverty and dole out liberally as long as CHina was poor too. If the gap between CHina and India is so overwhelming that India is in no position to even catch up somewhere near..we are doomed on the strategic front. So we have to move quickly up on the GDP front so we can maintain some kind of balance. Else we will doubtless see problems emerging all North, West and East of our borders and within too.

BJP would do well to finish congress off rather than do a Vajpayee and nurture the snake

[Atri]

Dynasty's objective is clear. They will sit it out in 2014. They will recoup for 5 years. They will allow BJP to salvage and grow the economy maybe to 4 Trilion USD GDP..go upto 9-10% rates. Then 2019 they will announce freebies and win. Then they will run a bit tight 4 years, and open up the purse a year down from 2023. That will get them to 2028. India will be khaali again and they will sit out another 5 years. Rinse and repeat cycle. This is bad news for India for these reasons:

If India is on top of Asia then all can co exist. CHina and India both.
If China gets to top overwhelmingly..then it will make India;s existence difficult. It will try best to break it up.

Put simply India could afford to go it easy and suffer poverty and dole out liberally as long as CHina was poor too. If the gap between CHina and India is so overwhelming that India is in no position to even catch up somewhere near..we are doomed on the strategic front. So we have to move quickly up on the GDP front so we can maintain some kind of balance. Else we will doubtless see problems emerging all North, West and East of our borders and within too.

I have been saying this for year and more now. I found the name for this in spring of 2013 - Indrashakti..

But now BJP is committed - Unless of course, BJP manages to pull off a delhi-assembly like situation nationally.. Will require a very skillful maneuvering and a huge heart to take this gamble. I have been saying, let the gandus of Indian politics take the hit from impending indra-shakti. let them be ghatotkacha. kejri in delhi and secular first OR third front nationally.

this looks unlikely since the resources are now committed. lets see. I pray to Mahakaleshwara that the ones on steering wheel find the necessary luck and well-oiled steering wheel and differential to pull off the extremely difficult but potentially fruitful maneuver. only a Paartha-Sarathi can drive a chariot this efficiently.

पतन-अभ्युदय-वन्धुर-पन्था, युग-युग-धावित यात्री ।
हे चिर सारथि, तव रथचक्रे, मुखरित पथ दिन रात्री ।
दारुण विप्लव-माझे, तव शंखध्वनि बाजे, संकटदुःखत्राता ।
जन-गण-पथ-परिचायक जय हे, भारत-भाग्य-विधाता ।
जय हे, जय हे, जय हे, जय जय जय, जय हे ।।

[IndraD]

People will ignore the freebies but only vote for the government that created the Roads, Jobs, infrastructure, etc. Like they did in Rajasthan and M.P.

[/quote]
pls explain then how samajwadi party and elk are survivng

[SBajwa]

pls explain then how samajwadi party and elk are survivng

Going by these election trends their days are numbered!

[Atri]

People will ignore the freebies but only vote for the government that created the Roads, Jobs, infrastructure, etc. Like they did in Rajasthan and M.P.

pls explain then how samajwadi party and elk are survivng

The are living on a timebomb. they emerged when Hindutva based hindu-votebank split in 1996-97 when effects of mandal started showing. SP, JD's all splinter groups (basically entire third front minus parties from south and communists) are mandal's children.

Hindus are consolidating again. the effects of mandal are fast vanishing and has left hindutva enriched (rise of OBC hindutva leaders). Now they do not have any cards to play.

that brand of politics is now over. latest casualty was lalu. next will be mulayam. bSP will be last to go - it is not based on mandal, although it will be limited now.

[Muppalla]

The biggest fear of SP and JDU types is visible in the election results of Chattisgargh. Their OBC bandwagon is what getting shattered with TsuNaMo. In the central CHG, BJP won 2/3 votes. Now expand to adjacent states. BJP has to just shun the past and get on new era politics and they are struggling to not dis-respect the old order. But they will prevail. Delhi has given them a new sword.

[Vayutuvan]

पतन-अभ्युदय-वन्धुर-पन्था, युग-युग-धावित यात्री ।
हे चिर सारथि, तव रथचक्रे, मुखरित पथ दिन रात्री ।
दारुण विप्लव-माझे, तव शंखध्वनि बाजे, संकटदुःखत्राता ।
जन-गण-पथ-परिचायक जय हे, भारत-भाग्य-विधाता ।
जय हे, जय हे, जय हे, जय जय जय, जय हे ।।

Atri: Yours, ji? else, poet?

[ramana]

People will ignore the freebies but only vote for the government that created the Roads, Jobs, infrastructure, etc. Like they did in Rajasthan and M.P.

pls explain then how samajwadi party and elk are survivng[/quote]


http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 8#p1555278

Niran explains teh outcome of the other parties contesting in the above 4 state elections.

Essentially they face the prospects of losing deposits.
The divisive minority appeasement/dole distribution politics is on the wane.

[RajeshA]

My tweet
@narendramodi
Extend full support to #JanLokpal iff #Lokpal & 7 member bench consists of hardcore #Savarkarites. Nobody else can be trusted!

[SBajwa]

by Atri
Hindus are consolidating again. the effects of mandal are fast vanishing and has left hindutva enriched (rise of OBC hindutva leaders). Now they do not have any cards to play.

we need to repeat this again and again in all places.


Last time somebody fought on the plank of Corruption was V.P Singh and he promptly created Mandal., got India almost bankrupt.
Now we have AK fighting on the plank of corruption with NGOs, Muslims and Leftists on his side. And promises of more government and more freebies.

1. Jan Lokpal.
2. Probably they would want to replace the reservation with something else.
3. Water.
4. electricity
5. etc.



Freebies only make people lazy so they don't work.

AK himself is sort of a drifter.

1. He gets into IIT. (wasted the tax payers money getting education and then not doing the job that he is trained for)
2. Got into IAS for sometime and then resigned. (Again wasting tax payers money)
3. Created NGOs.
4. Right to Info Act.
5. Involvement with Anna and Baba Ramdev.
6. Then separation and creating the party with help of NGOs.
7. He is too tired to lead now and is probably looking to scoot again.

He is shooter and scooter who is not design to lead, take responsibility and provide results, a classic return of the Bofors Gun issue. In an Army his kind are like Paki Gernails! never leading from the front., but always in news for Water and Bread making issues.

At best he is a tailor made for opposition a sort of Watchdog or a nuisance.

[Atri]

पतन-अभ्युदय-वन्धुर-पन्था, युग-युग-धावित यात्री ।
हे चिर सारथि, तव रथचक्रे, मुखरित पथ दिन रात्री ।
दारुण विप्लव-माझे, तव शंखध्वनि बाजे, संकटदुःखत्राता ।
जन-गण-पथ-परिचायक जय हे, भारत-भाग्य-विधाता ।
जय हे, जय हे, जय हे, जय जय जय, जय हे ।।

Atri: Yours, ji? else, poet?

THis is third stanza of our national anthem - jana gana mana.. poet Rabindranath Thakur onlee.. I wonder how this poem escaped the nakhras of Muslims unlike Vande mataram..

जन गण मन अधिनायक जय हे, भारत भाग्य विधाता ।
पंजाब सिंध गुजरात मराठा, द्राविड़ उत्कल बंग ।
विंध्य हिमाचल यमुना गंगा, उच्छल जलधि तरंग ।
तव शुभ नामे जागे, तव शुभ आशिष मांगे, गाहे तव जय गाथा ।
जन गण मंगलदायक जय हे, भारत भाग्य विधाता ।
जय हे, जय हे, जय हे, जय जय जय, जय हे । ।

अहरह तव आह्वान प्रचारित, शुनि तव उदार बाणी ।
हिन्दु बौद्ध शिख जैन पारसिक, मुसलमान ख्रिस्तानी ।
पुरब पश्चिम आसे, तव सिंहासन-पाशे, प्रेमहार हय गाँथा।
जन-गण-ऐक्य-विधायक जय हे, भारत-भाग्य-विधाता ।
जय हे, जय हे, जय हे, जय जय जय, जय हे ।।

पतन-अभ्युदय-वन्धुर-पन्था, युग-युग-धावित यात्री ।
हे चिर सारथि, तव रथचक्रे, मुखरित पथ दिन रात्री ।
दारुण विप्लव-माझे, तव शंखध्वनि बाजे, संकटदुःखत्राता ।
जन-गण-पथ-परिचायक जय हे, भारत-भाग्य-विधाता ।
जय हे, जय हे, जय हे, जय जय जय, जय हे ।।

घोर तिमिरघन निविड निशीथे, पीङित मूर्च्छित देशे ।
जागृत छिल तव अविचल मंगल, नत नयने अनिमेषे ।
दुःस्वप्ने आतंके, रक्षा करिले अंके, स्नेहमयी तुमि माता ।
जन-गण-दुःखत्रायक जय हे, भारत-भाग्य-विधाता ।
जय हे, जय हे, जय हे, जय जय जय, जय हे ।।

रात्रि प्रभातिल, उदिल रविच्छवि, पूर्ब-उदयगिरिभाले ।
गाहे विहंगम, पुण्य समीरण, नवजीवनरस ढाले ।
तव करुणारुणरागे, निद्रित भारत जागे, तव चरणे नत माथा ।
जय जय जय हे, जय राजेश्वर !! भारत-भाग्य-विधाता ।
जय हे, जय हे, जय हे, जय जय जय, जय हे ।।

[SaiK]

so is it going to be

modi vs. kejriwal (can take on modi from his clean plate no governance ticket) vs nilekani (can replace mms as a puppet)?

[harbans]

Bajwa ji, excellent points! Indeed the last time someone fought under the corruption plank was VP..and he messed things completely. That linkage if spread is vital. I would like to use some of those points in tweets at relevant times.

[Yagnasri]

Had a detailed discussion with AAP supporter. Has limited knowledge of how to deal with, reasons etc for corruption, has good knowledge on other things like history, even thinks that Porus defeated Allex, thinks Nehru wrong in going to UN on Kashmir.

I just asked him to check out - Bangladeshi Banlabhashi words, Batla house stand, supports to naxals, support to Kashmir terror, etc.

Further question was - how one more autocrat will stop corruption fully without serious changes to economic policies, administrative reforms, election reforms, etc, how just one more quasi judicial body is solution to all problems?

He could not answer because he never thought in those lines. Will ask him to read Milton Friedman and see his you tube vedio series Right to choose. We shall see.

Do you know you need to give interview to Sherri to join in AAP?