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Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 21 Oct 2010 22:39
by JE Menon
Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 22 Oct 2010 09:48
by Malayappan
France and Britain think the unthinkable on defence
A take on the British defence cuts, and the idea of a link up with France...
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 23 Oct 2010 03:33
by svinayak
http://www.dnaindia.com/videos/1455055
France for permanent UN Security Council seat for India
Published: Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 on 18:40 IST
Place: New Delhi | Agency: ANI
France for permanent UN Security Council seat for India: Chief of defence forces of France Admiral Edouard Guillaud supported India's bid for the permanent seat in the UN Security Council
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 24 Oct 2010 22:23
by svinayak
The late Samuel Huntington, Harvard, advanced the idea of the "clash of civilisations". He noted the shifting relationships between the world's great civilisations, and considered the Western, Muslim and Confucian as, today, the most important.
The West is declining in relative power, Asian countries are economically ascendant and Islam is exploding demographically. Huntington believed that states which shared cultural affinities would group themselves around the leading states of their particular civilisation.
As the West is coming into increasing conflict with these others, it is important that westerners reaffim their shared civilisation as unique. But we aren't.....too many of our politicians embrace the "one world" concept, and are trashing western culture and values to embrace those of the mass immigrant classes. Yet, looking at the world, there is no "oneness".....not a single Muslim country, for example, has moved towards the West. Even Turkey, once believed to be the West's moderate Muslim friend, can now be seen to be nothing of the sort. And Britain's support for its accession to the EU is irresponsible and ludicrous.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 26 Oct 2010 08:31
by abhishek_sharma
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 26 Oct 2010 09:20
by Viv S
An easterly wind’s blowing
India has been struggling with a Look East policy now for three decades. While easy to enunciate, it has been far more difficult for New Delhi to institutionalise and maintain a foreign policy drive that engaged nations along the Pacific Rim, from Japan to China, Singapore to Australia. Such an engagement would have seemed a no-brainer. These countries have been the drivers of the world economy since the 1970s. It is the success of the original Asian tiger economies, let alone the early industrialisation of Japan or the more recent accomplishments of China which are the inspiration for India’s post-1991 liberalisation. But the Look East policy was often described by impatient, Asian governments as India’s “Look East, Look Away” policy because it proved so difficult for India to sustain its engagement. One of the reasons was economic. India is and remains far more protectionist than its East and Southeast Asian counterparts. Until recently, its tariff and investment barriers made it difficult for New Delhi to contemplate any treaty-based economic integration with other parts of Asia. Another was strategic. The Pacific Rim has been dominated by a balance of power game between a cluster of US-backed allies and China. India was wary of being part of this equation. Other Asian countries were uncertain on which side India stood. Finally, India was seen as not having the wherewithal to play a strategic role beyond the Straits of Malacca. All that has changed, especially after a drifting together of India and the US and a growing friction between India and China.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s three-nation Asia tour, encompassing Japan, Malaysia and Vietnam, is indicative of how Indian interests and role in this part of the world have expanded. In Japan, the prime minister will seek to consolidate a burgeoning economic relationship between India and Asia’s second largest economy. India is Japan’s number one foreign direct investment destination and Japan’s plans for improving India’s industrial infrastructure could transform India’s lagging manufacturing base. In Malaysia,
Dr Singh will inaugurate a relationship almost unrecognisable from what it was even a decade ago. Kuala Lumpur has long been seen as the thorn in the Look East policy. Economics and the image of a new India have turned this around. In Vietnam, India will be part of an East Asian Summit whose roster will now include the US and Australia, countries whose membership India supported as part of a broader policy of constraining Chinese assertiveness. That India is now an Asian power is acknowledged by Asian nations. India should not rest on its laurels. India continues to be alienated from the supply chains that connect the larger Asian economy. It needs to add more military sinews to its strategic vision. But it is clear that the Look East policy today is no longer merely about looking but about doing, influencing and benefiting.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/An-easter ... 17383.aspx
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 26 Oct 2010 10:16
by Pulikeshi
Quick question for the gurulog - been discussing an idea with someone...
Let us assume that the 'West' is in relative decline (if nothing else in military spend)...
Lets assume that EU + UK naval spend is going down as well...
What if any opportunities does this provide India in the Mediterranean and Red Sea?
Is India concentrating too keenly on the East (Malacca, etc.) and neglecting everything to the West?
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 26 Oct 2010 10:19
by ramana
No. We are not there. We need to have cooperative engagement and have virtual 1000 ship naval force. The proposed CW FTA is step in that direction.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 27 Oct 2010 06:15
by SwamyG
In the past large empires when they bit the dust, they lost territories, many of them were colonies. Or, the core Empire's boundaries were altered. If one postulates that American Empire is diminishing and will see the sun set one day, what will happen? It has 700+ bases around the world, so it might pull out from many. Or will America be path breaker in the sense it will not lose territories?
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 28 Oct 2010 12:55
by csharma
I am reading Robert Kaplan's latest book Monsoon and have also been reading some of his interviews on the subject.
I get the feeling that he is kind of hyping this China in the Indian Ocean thing a bit too much and a bit prematurely. Sure they might have ambitions to play a role here bit considering the geography. China has Japan and Korea in northern Asia. Both of them are capable of deplying strong navies. China's dominance of South China sea is also not established. Taiwan question is still open and then there is Vietnam.
So without sorting the East asia and South China sea equation, how can China become a dominant player in the IOR.
India is also a player in the South China sea.
IIRC, Kaplan wrote a foreign affairs article on the subject a couple of years ago. One US navy person responded by writing a letter saying that in the India Ocean region, India has the distinct advantage of geography. Maybe after that he started paying some attention to India. But it is absurd to suggest that somehow China with these bases far away from China can support a huge IO presence. India will be able to take these bases out since they are closer to it.
The following is from a paper by DS Rajan quoting from Chinese sources in 2007.
http://www.saag.org/common/uploaded_fil ... r2350.html
Lastly, Indias increasing political and military profile in Chinas neighbourhood, seems to be emerging as another factor of concern for China. Again, there is yet no official criticism in this regard, but the media appear to be taking a tough stand on the issue. Indicating some uneasiness, analysts in China are now noting frequently that India through its Look East policy is trying to get closer to countries like Thailand, Vietnam and Cambodia. The visits of the Prime Ministers of the three countries to India in July 2007 are being highlighted in this connection.
On the same subject, media criticisms against India from a military point of the view are becoming louder. India is being mentioned by name for hedging against China through developing military relations with the PRCs surrounding countries. Particular mention is being made to New Delhis three-pronged strategy to monitor Chinas missile Systems including in border areas - CARTOSAT 2A satellite programme, radar station in Mongolia (to monitor space activities in Gansu, South of Mongolia) and cooperation with the US, Japan, Australia and even Taiwan (in the field of Signal intelligence)[10]. Reference to India-Taiwan collusion marks a new trend. Further evidences of Indias foray into areas traditionally under Chinas influence, are being quoted by Chinese experts - the recent visits of Indian Naval vessels to ports in Vietnam and the Philippines after their calls in New Zealand, New Delhis supply to Myanmar of sea reconnaissance planes, setting up of military points in Afghanistan and Tajikistan and the expected visit of Indias aircraft carrier to Malacca Straits and the Pacific subsequent to the Bay of Bengal Exercise[11].
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 28 Oct 2010 13:19
by Pratyush
^^^
Is the book worth the read. Or a BRF lurker would already know the stuff.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 28 Oct 2010 14:37
by Neshant
Prem wrote:Beijing's stupid, short-sighted, self-fulfilling acts of economic coercion
The embargo is expanding" beyond Japan, said one of the three rare earth industry officials, all of
Mercantilism" Defn :
Mercantilism suggests that the ruling government should advance these goals by playing a protectionist role in the economy by encouraging exports and discouraging imports, notably through the use of subsidies and tariffs respectively.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 28 Oct 2010 18:55
by ramana
First let PRC come out of South China Sea.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 29 Oct 2010 18:17
by kmkraoind
Russia, US conduct joint Afghan drug raid
Viktor Ivanov said the unprecedented joint operation hit four laboratories near the border with Pakistan, caused up to $1 billion in damage to the wider drug trade
Mr Ivanov says they seized up to 200 million doses of heroin.
So far it has mostly been limited to Russia providing its territory for U.S. military transit.
The raid destroyed three heroin labs and one morphine lab, which were located about three miles from the Pakistan border at an important drug trafficking crossroads, Ivanov said.
Its a large amount. The day is not far when Uncle Sam ditches its mehabooba and cuddles with Bear. You name any dirty profession, you will end up finding Bakis or Bakistan.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 29 Oct 2010 18:45
by RamaY
Acharya wrote:
Check this scenario which is never discussed by Kaplan. IOR is not going to be the theatre of conflict but the land borders around the Himalayas will be the region of real conflict
Thanks Acharya-ji for posting this. Supports my thoughts on POK
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 30 Oct 2010 04:14
by svinayak
kmkraoind wrote:
The raid destroyed three heroin labs and one morphine lab, which were located about three miles from the Pakistan border at an important drug trafficking crossroads, Ivanov said.
Its a large amount. The day is not far when Uncle Sam ditches its mehabooba and cuddles with Bear. You name any dirty profession, you will end up finding Bakis or Bakistan.
It is about the drug money which funds the ISI and its Taliban groups.
When this is shut off the behaviour and policy of these guys can be changed
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 01 Nov 2010 03:09
by RajeshA
X-Posting from Future Strategic Scenario for the Indian Subcontinent -II Thread
brihaspati garu,
I may have said this before somewhere, but to me the chief matrix of my thinking is Asian Geopolitics. Because I start there, whereas as you have a different focus, our priorities would diverge somewhat. I see a triangle in Asia - China, Islam and India.
USA is a guest only for the next 15-20 years more. Someday it would feel the overstretch.
Russia would be marginalized in Asia. It would exhaust its energies in the Caucasus. In Central Asia it would be overwhelmed by the cooperation between Turkey and China. In the Far-East it would feel its own overstretch and China's demographic pressure.
So basically it comes down to how China, Islam and India balance each other. Even as we speak, China's handshake with Islam has become almost unbreakable. It has its Uyghur problem firmly in grip - both the ethnic aspect through its alliance with Turkey and the ideological aspect through its alliance with Pakjab. In return it has promised Turkey a resumption of its leadership role in Central Asia, and has promised Pakistan the Kashmir Valley if not more. Using Turkey and Pakistan, China would try to weaken the NATO alliance from within and the American power through overstretch and attrition, using the two. Not just the Turkey and Pakistan, China also has the full support of Iran and vice versa. So even if Pakistan remains a cripple, its suffices if it fulfills its two responsibilities - steer Jihad, and box in India. With Turkey and Iran, China has bigger plans - of controlling Central Asia and keeping it free from the influence of USA, Russia and India, the last, its only meaningful but unprepared foe.
Even India's connections to the Islamic World have been turned against India, partly through Pakistan and partly through our lack of the kill instinct. So India finds itself friendless and fully marginalized in Asian Continent.
India too would be having her alliance - with Japan, with South Korea, perhaps with Taiwan, with Vietnam, but even as those countries may have the technology, they are still strategic pygmies. Technology alone, even military technology, would not suffice. Strategy, Location and Alliances would be key to prevailing. Asymmetric Warfare, proxy warfare, plausible deniability, propaganda, all would play a role. India's Asian Security Alliance's presence would be limited to the Pacific and Indian Ocean periphery, but would have no influence in the heart of Asia.
If India, and all the Indics, Dharmics, SDREs who are aboard this ship, want a chance at survival with her borders intact and not much reduced and shrunk, then India would have change the triangle. Here PRC would be the manipulator and Islam the henchman. It makes no sense to us to align ourselves with PRC against Islam, because they feel, they have all the various Islamic powerhouses in their alliance pocket, and secondly Islam is only the henchman, hardly having its own production lines or technology. China would be sitting back, giving the Islamists - the Pakjabi's TSPA, the Taliban, the IMs, the BMs, all sorts of weaponry for use on India, and the ideologues sitting in Pakistan delivering reasons to attack India.
China may even encourage the Islamists to loot India of its land, wealth and women, and to create a new Islamic power in India, itself in never-ending turmoil.
Now when I see this, and think about China enticing Bangladesh to play games in India's Northeast or at Siliguri Pass or in West Bengal, and at the same time giving Pakistan the support to take on India in Kashmir, even as IMs and Maoists weaken the country from within, then I think, India is on a very slippery slope, and
there is no way India is going to get a firmer footing for the challenge ahead, unless India changes the game.
So who is our bigger enemy? China or Islam. Islam may do all the damage to India, but China provides it the means to accomplish it. To be honest, I don't think our political system is in a position to handle challenges of this a magnitude, unless it develops some immunity from this China-Islam Axis.
At this point in time, when the geopolitical landscape is in flux, India may have some good cards to play. Later on, those cards too could be turned against us, and it will be too late.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 02 Nov 2010 12:57
by abhishek_sharma
Timothy Garton Ash's interview available at charlierose.com. Useful for understanding EU
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 02 Nov 2010 16:00
by abhishek_sharma
abhishek_sharma wrote:Timothy Garton Ash's interview available at charlierose.com. Useful for understanding EU
He is really worried about the rise of China (and India).
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 02 Nov 2010 18:54
by Philip
Many,many moons ago,a Cold War diplomat fondly said to me that he hoped for India,SU and China getting closer together in a "triumvirate"I told him it was a pipe dream given China's anti-Indian stance and "pro-Pak" strategic foundations.That has held true for the better part of 50 years.It will continue to be so for the next 50 unless two events take place.One, the disintegration of the Paki state as we know it-difficult as China will definitely send in troops to help the Paki military if pak is on the verge of collapse (the Sino-Paki rail link being built for just that eventuality-the rapid movement of Chinese troops into Pak and beyond into the Gulf zone).
Secondly,the collapse of the US even further economically and militarily.Budget blues are due for the US's military machine just as they have hit the British,who are now co-habiting with the French to bolster theiir military forces in the manner of "two drunks leaning on each other to stay upright"! But the US needs more than "one drunk" to stay upright and it hopes that India will be one of those supporting it militarily in thr future to counter China.Will a future non-Congress led govt. of the day suppport the US militarily? I doubt it very much.Neither the BJP nor the Leftists had much desire for that dish.If the US collapses along with pak,then India's importance will skyrocket.At that time,a wiser Chinese leadership might very well dump Pak in favour of India,preferring to have India "inside the tent p*ssing out,rather than outside Pissing in".Bringing in Russia into this fold will also not be too difficult if the Europeans do not integrate Russia into the EU and replace to an extent its security with agreements with Russia than depending upon a fading US.The British-French military cohabitation planned is an indication in the trend in Europe,to rely upon each other and less on the US.But the big Q about Sino-Indian military cooperation is entirely in the hands of the Chinese.If India dramatically improves its miltary posture to challenge China,the PRC might change tack.If we remain weak and a vassal state of the US,than little will change.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 02 Nov 2010 20:07
by ramana
Philip, I would only add that PRC is US nutrured munna. Its not what it appears. It was along project from 1850's and led by the US missionaries: Mary Knoll order. Until this layer of social engineering is removed there are no hopes of any adjustments with India.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 03 Nov 2010 01:43
by TonyMontana
ramana wrote:Philip, I would only add that PRC is US nutrured munna. Its not what it appears. It was along project from 1850's and led by the US missionaries: Mary Knoll order. Until this layer of social engineering is removed there are no hopes of any adjustments with India.
Do you foresee a US-China alliance?
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 03 Nov 2010 01:52
by ramana
What do you think is going on since the sixties?
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 03 Nov 2010 02:16
by TonyMontana
ramana wrote:What do you think is going on since the sixties?
It's a love-hate relationship. Like how Aryan Brotherhood would work with the Bloods to traffic drugs. How can you describe the current relationship as an alliance? Unless you mean both parties are playing it up for their domestic audiances and secretly there is a understand in the highest government level (across multiple political spectrums). Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 03 Nov 2010 03:00
by ramana
Maybe, Maybe not.
Have you read about Yale Divinity school and its graduates?
Do you know where Mao got his learning?
Do you know about the US "Open Door" policy towards China?
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 03 Nov 2010 03:23
by TonyMontana
ramana wrote:Maybe, Maybe not.
Have you read about Yale Divinity school and its graduates?
Do you know where Mao got his learning?
Do you know about the US "Open Door" policy towards China?
Don't forget "most prefered trade partner". But correlation doesn't mean causation. I'm not convinced that there is talk of alliance at the highest level. Why would WASP like us Chinaman? I think you're missing the big picture here. MONEY.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 03 Nov 2010 07:12
by brihaspati
Perhaps a frienemy. Factions within each side hope to use factions within the other to enhance their own objectives and score in their respective domestic conflicts. But to really make it simply bilateral, leaves out an important connection - its more a triangular interaction. China's longer standing relationship was and still is with UK, with the drug trade flow and network having survived through the change of regimes in China in the 40's and official scaling down of the "colonial empire". There is a subtle balancing act and manipulation maintained by British capital floating internationally and which perhaps has its own independent dynamic in determining or influencing how far China and PRC can go away or towards each other.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 03 Nov 2010 12:17
by abhischekcc
I was not sure about the depth of US-China cooperation until I read the review of Raghua Rajan's book on another thread on this forum. It mentions three fault lines in the global economy that led to the present crisis. One of these is the progressively increasing ineqaulity in the US since the 70s. To subdue the clamour for more benefits by the lower and middle classes, US elite instituted the policy of cheap credit.
They needed some country to mope up the flood of dollars as well as provide cheap good to mask the fact that the purchasing power of US commoners was going down. Enter the tiger economies/Japan/China.
Eventually all this led to the RE bubble.
The other two faultlines mentioned are the mercantile/export led policies and consequent bloating of forex in central banks of some countries. These two are part of the
The progression: increasing inequality in US -> cheap credit -> need for someone to mope up the flood of dollars and provide cheap goods to US -> mercantile policies in East Asia -> large forex reserves -> RE bubble.
This clearly proves that not only does US have the ultimate responsibility for starting the crisis, the conditions that led to the crisis are still continuing.
But that is besides the point. The question was of China's actual role for the US domestic policy. China provides the means by which the US elite have enhanced inequality in their own society while keeping the chances of social revolt to a minimum.
China is the ultimate running dog of American imperialism - the ultimate pakistan. It won't be abandoned and its large pile of forex will be 'handled'. Most probably by dumping on unsuspecting countries of the G20 by promising them more 'power' in the global scheme of things.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 03 Nov 2010 22:18
by ramana
Great analysis abhishekcc. Hope you elaborate on that everywhere.
BTW I posted the review in the Prespectives thread!
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 03 Nov 2010 22:22
by RamaY
Great points ABCC!
The same is true in geopolitics too. India should opt for 'mitrabhedam' here.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 03 Nov 2010 23:22
by svinayak
abhischekcc wrote:I was not sure about the depth of US-China cooperation until I read the review of Raghua Rajan's book on another thread on this forum. It mentions three fault lines in the global economy that led to the present crisis. One of these is the progressively increasing ineqaulity in the US since the 70s. To subdue the clamour for more benefits by the lower and middle classes, US elite instituted the policy of cheap credit.
They needed some country to mope up the flood of dollars as well as provide cheap good to mask the fact that the purchasing power of US commoners was going down. Enter the tiger economies/Japan/China.
Eventually all this led to the RE bubble.
The other two faultlines mentioned are the mercantile/export led policies and consequent bloating of forex in central banks of some countries. These two are part of the
The progression: increasing inequality in US -> cheap credit -> need for someone to mope up the flood of dollars and provide cheap goods to US -> mercantile policies in East Asia -> large forex reserves -> RE bubble.
This clearly proves that not only does US have the ultimate responsibility for starting the crisis, the conditions that led to the crisis are still continuing.
But that is besides the point. The question was of China's actual role for the US domestic policy. China provides the means by which the US elite have enhanced inequality in their own society while keeping the chances of social revolt to a minimum.
China is the ultimate running dog of American imperialism - the ultimate pakistan. It won't be abandoned and its large pile of forex will be 'handled'. Most probably by dumping on unsuspecting countries of the G20 by promising them more 'power' in the global scheme of things.
Most of these policies are due to cold war and the urgency of cold war.
The communist ideology and revolution against the capitalist was a big threat to the free wheeling millionaires of the UK empire and the american economy.
To protect against future revolt they worked on several domestic and external policies starting from 1935.
Check some of the institutes they have built -
Tides foundation -
http://www.tides.org/
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysi ... -Theft.htm
1930s - New deal and Social security
1940s - American Dream propaganda and the american ideals to oppose the communist ideology
1960s - cultural revolutions using baby boomers and the civil rights act to include blacks and minorities inside the political process.
1970s - Baby boomers led into cold war fight with SU - hollywood and global trading network to isolate SU economy and all its supporters (including India). This global trade was created to contain and finally exceed the soviet network economies.
1980s - covert wars to contain SU. international trade exceeded GDP of countries. China used as a bulwork against SU. Chinese economy connected to global trade. Artifical demand was created which was linked to the baby boomers world wide.
1991 - Collapse of the soviet economy and split of SU.
1990s - Reduction in deficit but the easy credit with China and Japan was increased without control. Biggest boom in history
2000s - start and end of bubble created by easy credit for 10 years. RE, Currency, etc.
Soft landing of the economy.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 06 Nov 2010 06:52
by abhishek_sharma
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 09 Nov 2010 10:22
by svinayak
there are 3 implicit prerequisites to be a member of of the UNSC permanent members (notice "security")
- big money
- nukes
- geostrategical influence
All current members have those 3 at different levels
Japan has only one, money, geostrategically it's castrated, cannot even kick out the US from Okinawa.
India meets basically the 3 today, at least two (money, nukes and is at least geostrategically locally important).
if Brazil had nukes (probably a matter of time) if would be in a similar situation.
Germany is very similar to Japan, with the advantage that its membership in the EU gives it a huge geostrategical advantage. Besides it's current culture of democracy is far better than the more or less corrupted Japanese tradition.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 09 Nov 2010 10:37
by Pulikeshi
^ Acharya, by that criterion two or three in the current UNSC need to be out -
perhaps that was intentional
Any case, reality is there is no criterion for UNSC as it exists today.
Best to assume that India will have the opportunity to redefine it one way or another.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 09 Nov 2010 11:11
by Arjun
The backing for UNSC permanent seat was a major step forward from Obama, and he deserves Indian accolades.
But now is the time to ponder whether the move may decrease India's maneuverability with regard to Pakistan, since India will now be on notice for good behavior. On the other hand, UNSC veto power can be useful in the case of Kashmir- but thats a long, long way off...
So what are the pros and cons?
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 09 Nov 2010 11:21
by RajeshA
India should look after her national interests, and if needed talk some about UNSC permanent seat.
The more India talks about her own interests, the more credibility India would have. National interests makes countries predictable, sermonizing and grand standing makes countries suspect.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 09 Nov 2010 16:39
by abhischekcc
Acharya wrote:there are 3 implicit prerequisites to be a member of of the UNSC permanent members (notice "security")
- big money
- nukes
- geostrategical influence
All current members have those 3 at different levels
England and France fall flat on the basis of 'big money' and 'geostrategical influence'. Their era is long gone. Russia has no big money or even small money - all has been looted. China has no geostrategic influence that can be thought of as positive. It only has nuisnace power around its periphery - think of it as a Pakistan times 10. (Even pakistan has more influence than China if we include jehad networks as their achievements

) That leaves US, which has no more big money.

So, I am not sure what the criteria mean.
However, all these countries have one thing in common. All are big bullies who can go to any length to pursue their interests and can make life difficult for a lot of other countries. By this definition, pakis deserve UNSC permanent membership more than 'Dharmic' India.

Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 09 Nov 2010 21:10
by svinayak
abhischekcc wrote:
England and France fall flat on the basis of 'big money' and 'geostrategical influence'. Their era is long gone.
They have colonial legacy and have still islands and client states in Asia and Africa.
This colonial legacy is in the form of language, worldview and global financial and trade system built by them over 200 years. That is the 'big money' influence and 'geostrategical influence' they have
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 09 Nov 2010 21:16
by ramana
If WWII contribution on the winners side is an implict criteria then India did contribute a very large fighting force(>2M fighting troops) and money(~ $15B per Dean Rusk) to keep the British in the fight.
Re: Geopolitical thread
Posted: 09 Nov 2010 22:19
by ramana
Yes. The reason which was stated many times was they didnt want to foster enemity with PRC which is what it would have done. In the end the US saw the Indian POV and itself offered the seat to PRC to get them ontheir side in the Cold War. So in the end it was an Indian idea tha the US implemented.
BTW that PRC views India as an enemy is a given and did not affect the UNSC decison.