Internal Security Watch

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Nov 2009 00:48

shravan wrote:
Lucknow: The arrest of two abettors of ISI agent Syed Amir Ali in Lucknow on Tuesday has blown the lid off an organised racket in issuing passports to Pakistani nationals. Amir, who was arrested at Delhi's IGI Airport on Sunday, was a Pakistani. But he got a passport issued from Lucknow in record time, on a non-existent address. In fact, he was not in Lucknow when he he applied.

"We are examining the passport issuance system," additional DG Brij Lal said. The two associates -- Mohd Arshad and Mohd Chand -- were picked up during an operation by a National Intelligence Agency (NIA) and Delhi Police (DP) team.

Amir got a "genuine" passport even though two separate inquiries are conducted for verification of address and the applicant. "The address given in the passport does not exist," additional D-G AK Jain said.

Amir applied for the passport on April 24, 2005 and got it on July 2, 2005, in less than three months. The passport was sent by registered post and delivered, though the address was fake. That's not all. Amir even filed I-T returns between 2004 and 2007, though he landed in Lucknow only in May 2005. He acquired a driving licence, a mark-sheet from a local college and also held a bank account.

Many Pakis I met in the last 4 years from US and Canada said they were from Lucknow. When I ask them which college they get caught!

Pakis are finding it hard to live as Pakis in US and they want to merge with the Indian groups and Indian muslims.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 18 Nov 2009 01:58

I met Pakis in SF who claimed that they could get Indian passports in 2 days from Kolkata. Just 2-3 lacs. This is a huge racket

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 18 Nov 2009 03:05

Can someone please shed light on how much truth there is to this persons assertions. I see this indiv nkrishna on a lot of blogs and papers stating info that seems to be shocking. How true is this?

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/29854

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had allowed in 1983, the opening of the Pakistani cocaine/ISI bank BCCI, against the advise of the Indian Intelligence agencies. BCCI collapsed with 16 billion dollar loss in 1991. Manmohan was on the pay roll of Pakistan's ISI. (http://parliamentofindia.nic.in/ls/lsde ... 099101.htm ).

Marut · Post by **Marut** » 18 Nov 2009 05:47

Read up on the BCCI affair before falling for such cr@p peddled on the internet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCCI_Bank

Thanks.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Nov 2009 19:46

Police brace up to bring Bannanje Raja from Dubai

Beg's arrest may help cops solve other cases

His interrogation would also help them understand the current underworld scenario and the status of Shakeel and gangster Dawood Ibrahim in Karachi, Pakistan, the police said.

"We believe he knows a lot more than he admits to as he was in direct contact with Shakeel. Almost all the killings took place on the orders of Shakeel,'' said joint commissioner of police Rakesh Maria.

Beg was so loyal to Shakeel that he went to Malaysia to provide support to Rashid Malbari and Bullar Singh who went there to eliminate gangster Chhota Rajan's aide Balu Dokre. He is a prize catch and the police are likely to invoke the stringent Maharashtra Control of Organised Crime Act (MCOCA) against Beg. "We are examining the legal angle,'' added Maria.

Beg was arrested on Sunday from a hotel in south Mumbai after he landed in Mumbai on November 13 on a fictitious passport. The Intelligence Bureau (IB) had given a tip-off to the Mumbai police about Beg's deportation from Sri Lanka. According to sources, Beg was staying in Colombo on a fictitious passport carrying the name of Nasir Shaikh, even though his visa had expired. Beg has around 15 to 16 criminal cases, including that of extortion and murder, registered against him. "Beg first came in contact with Shakeel in 1995 over a land dispute. Shakeel called and asked him to help one of the involved parties. He became friends with Shakeel who gave him the job of distributing arms to shooters in Mumbai,'' said inspector Nilesh Sawant.

In 1996, Beg fled to Dubai and stayed there till the late 1990s. He kept moving between Dubai, Sharjah and Karachi.

"During interrogation, Beg revealed that he made the fake passport in Lucknow in 2004 and then flew to various countries. We will probe how he procured a fake passport,'' said inspector Dinesh Kadam.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Nov 2009 19:53

Jarita wrote:I met Pakis in SF who claimed that they could get Indian passports in 2 days from Kolkata. Just 2-3 lacs. This is a huge racket

It is certainly not limited to Kolkatta. In Chennai, the Regional Passport Officer, no less, was arrested for this. The CBI, which arrested her, said that she was asking her husband, a doctor with the Chennai Corp., to take the bribes and he will give an innocuous looking piece of paper, presenting which to her at the office, things will be done immediately. She was also the chief of the branch of MEA for the Southern Region !

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 18 Nov 2009 20:16

NIA chargesheets Hojai, Jewel
Wednesday , November 18 , 2009
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1091118/j ... 754084.jsp

Guwahati, Nov. 17: The National Investigation Agency probing the alleged diversion of funds of the North Cachar Hills Autonomous Council to the Dima Halam Daogah (J) today chargesheeted former chief of the council, Mohit Hojai, and 13 others, including the outfit’s chief Jewel Gorlosa and commander-in-chief Niranjan Hojai.

The NIA also prayed before the court to summon Hojai, who is lodged in a designated camp after surrendering on October 2 along with other cadres of the outfit.

A source in the NIA said the court could, if it wanted, remand Niranjan Hojai in custody.

The investigation agency filed the chargesheet in the special court of the NIA designated judge, Tarun Phukan, this afternoon.

This is the first chargesheet to be filed by the NIA. The agency has the mandate of investigating terror cases across the country without permission from state governments.

Of the 14 accused in the North Cachar Hills Council funds diversion case, the NIA source said, 11 were in jail while two others were out on bail. Niranjan Hojai was at a designated camp in North Cachar Hills.

The accused have been charged under Sections 120 (B), 121, 121 (A) of the Indian Penal Code and Sections 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 of Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act of 1967.

Those accused also include Vanlal Chana alias Vantea, a Mizo arms dealer.

Two other Mizo gunrunners, Malchou Kimi, a woman, and George Langthang, have also been chargesheeted.

“Mohit Hojai had taken away council funds which eventually reached the DHD (J) through middlemen,” a source said.

“We have collected substantial evidence against all the accused and thereafter filed the chargesheet today,” the source said.

The case of diversion of North Cachar Hills Council funds came to light following the arrest of two DHD (J) linkmen with Rs 1 crore in cash. They told the police that the money was given to them by Hojai for securing an arms deal for the outfit. The police said the duo were on their way to Mizoram to seal the deal when they were arrested.

R.H. Khan, an official of the council also arrested with Mohit Hojai, is also one of the accused.

The source said several of the accused were arrested from Calcutta. “They were involved in the monetary transactions and channelised the funds to the DHD (J) besides facilitating purchase of weapons,” the source said.

Those arrested from Calcutta were Jayanta Kumar Ghosh, Sandip Kumar Ghosh and Debasish Kumar Bhattacharjee.

Gorlosa, the outfit’s chief, was arrested from Bangalore along with the deputy commander-in-chief Partha Warisa and Samir Ahmed earlier this year. Partha and Samir have also been chargesheeted.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 18 Nov 2009 21:40

Police brace up to bring Bannanje Raja from Dubai

Bannanje Raja banenge Dulhe Raja....in a police lockup, looks like. Lage raho raja babu....

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 18 Nov 2009 22:09

Sachin wrote:Hope you already know about the police firing and two Muslim youth who got killed. In once incident the Kasargode SP Ramadass Pothan him self took his "gun man"s revolver and fired.

Now in the neighbouring area of a Taliparamba (Kannur Dt.) the commies and the Muslim League are having a slug fest. The police is watching the show . There was also UDF sponsored harthal in the area, which went off peacefully.

What was the reason for disagreements? Political or over some other matter. Im surprised, not a mention of this incident in most news channels.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Nov 2009 08:52

The result of the Headley/Rana Visa fiasco

After the Headley-Rana episode, India has tightened visa approval norms for Pakistan-born U.S. citizens by making it mandatory for such applications to be cleared by New Delhi.

The Home Ministry is also said to be contemplating a similar condition for American nationals born in China, Afghanistan and Iran.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 19 Nov 2009 14:07

ULFA admits it is using China as a base
Thu, Nov 19 01:30 PM

Guwahati, Nov 19 (IANS) The outlawed United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) has set up bases in China and other foreign countries with the help of money extorted in the state, two senior ULFA leaders have told police interrogators.

This is the first time the ULFA, which is fighting to secede the oil-rich Assam from India, has accepted setting up bases in China.

ULFA 'foreign secretary' Sasha Choudhury and 'finance secretary' Chitraban Hazarika, now in police remand since Nov 6, told interrogations that apart from Bangladesh they have bases in China and other foreign countries.

'Crores of rupees have been extorted from (Assam) and transferred to (ULFA) leaders in Bangladesh, China and other countries where they have established hideouts,' the Special Operations Unit (SOU) of Assam Police quoted the two leaders as confessing.

The interrogation report was submitted to the Chief Judicial Magistrate's court in Guwahati Tuesday, a copy of which is available with IANS.

'Several foreign agencies and NGOs provided logistic assistance to the ULFA leaders in foreign countries. They are trying to muster support from China, Bangladesh and other foreign countries for ULFA,' the interrogation report quoted the arrested men as saying.

According to officials, the two ULFA leaders were arrested by the Border Security Force (BSF) near Gokul Nagar in Tripura Nov 5 while trying to sneak into India. The duo, who were based in Dhaka, denied this version.

There have been reports in a section of the media that the two were arrested in Bangladesh and handed them over to the Indian authorities Nov 2.

The two men also revealed that ULFA was planning to procure a huge consignment of arms and explosives from Pakistan and China for 'use against the government of India,' the interrogation report said.

The ULFA is widely known to enjoy close ties with the Pakistani intelligence. It is also known to have bases in Bangladesh where its top leaders have lived for a long time.

Time to get the names of these NGO and shower them with special care n attention and a permanent ban on their entry to india

Protests mount against kidnapping of engineers

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 Nov 2009 17:50

8 Pak men apprehended by Coast Guard from Kutch

JAMNAGAR: The Indian Coast Guard (ICG) has apprehended eight Pakistani nationals and seized their boat from Jakhau region near the International Marine Border (IMB) in Gujarat's Kutch district.

"The boat carrying eight Pakistani nationals was intercepted yesterday as it had ventured into Indian waters near Jakhau," ICG officials said here on Thursday.

According to the officials, the boat was spotted by a patrolling team near the IMB.

All the men are being brought to the Okha port here for questioning. They would be interrogated to find out their true identity, whether they are fishermen and their purpose of crossing the IMB, they said.

Last week, ICG had arrested 19 Pakistani fishermen and seized their three boats from the same area after they illegally entered the Indian waters.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 19 Nov 2009 20:44

Avinash R wrote:What was the reason for disagreements? Political or over some other matter. Im surprised, not a mention of this incident in most news channels.

The initial flare up seems to be because of some Muslim League workers trying to remove some hoardings, of opponents which were in the area of a Muslim League meeting. The ML workers tried to removed it, the police tried to prevent them from doing that. A fight breaks out, and the police is overwhelmed with the arrival of a large gang of Muslim youths in motor bikes. They were more threatening in nature and believed to be armed. The Supdt. of Police and his posse of police men were in grave danger when they were surrounded and the SP fired.

Check up a link from Haindava Keralam a web site from Kerala. Take it as an FYI

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Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 21 Nov 2009 11:11

A local Malayalam daily (http://www.mathrubhumi.com) reports that the Bangladeshi Police have picked up an Indian named T.Nazir. Has this been confirmed by any other news channels?

The mallu daily states that there were rumours/unconfirmed reports that T.Nazir is a Keralite. The Kerala Police now feels that this could be the elusive Thadiyandavida Nazir who is supposed to be the Southern India commander for the L-e-T. Though lots of his assistants are getting routinely picked up by the various agencies, Nazir had made good his escape and was suspected to be in Bangladesh.

Yesterday the K.P picked up another chap Nawaz who is suspected to be chief money handler of the 'Hawala' fund transactions done in Southern parts of India. He is also suspected to be in close contact with the Al-Umma terrorist gang based out of Coimbatore.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Nov 2009 12:10

Sachin wrote:A local Malayalam daily (http://www.mathrubhumi.com) reports that the Bangladeshi Police have picked up an Indian named T.Nazir. Has this been confirmed by any other news channels?

The mallu daily states that there were rumours/unconfirmed reports that T.Nazir is a Keralite. The Kerala Police now feels that this could be the elusive Thadiyandavida Nazir who is supposed to be the Southern India commander for the L-e-T.

Thadiyandavide Nazir is involved in scores of terror activities besides funding, motivation, recruitment etc. It is a big catch if the report is correct.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 21 Nov 2009 12:23

Nazir is related to the headley case, Indian express had a story a few days back...
http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... OZ5Y=&SEO=

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Nov 2009 15:09

A local Malayalam daily (http://www.mathrubhumi.com) reports that the Bangladeshi Police have picked up an Indian named T.Nazir. Has this been confirmed by any other news channels?

More importantly, is there a chance of Nazir mysteriously turning up on Indian soil ( caught at a bus stop while boarding a bus like a certain Mr. Nawaz from Oman was

) ?

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 21 Nov 2009 15:20

If its in BD, then we may not have a deportation till an agreement is signed unless the said person is already in Indian hands by now. The deportation agreement is in the works and hope is that SHW and MMS will sign it when SHW comes to India next month. She is also going to receive the IG peace prize, god knows for what

. Minus Anup Chetia, Poresh Borua and Ranjan Daimary, we should have most of em "accessible" if the agreement is signed and if cooperation is taken to the next level.

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Nov 2009 15:53

If its in BD, then we may not have a deportation till an agreement is signed unless the said person is already in Indian hands by now.

Not a formal deportation but a wink-wink, nudge nudge transfer like the 2 senior ULFA men who turned up in Indian hands though arrested by BD poilce...Hope at least that happens since Nazir is a huge catch and seems to find mention in most terror plots recently.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Nov 2009 15:59

Glad to see some real co-opn happening on the ground. Hopefully the precedent perpetuates itself down the line also.

Always nicer to have an institutional framework like an extradition treaty smoothe over instances where political netas turnover down the line.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 21 Nov 2009 16:07

The lowest common denominator of BAL is still Islamism, this is the same party that pandered to OIC, pak, us and china within 6 months of formation of BD leaving India in the lurch. The ulfa oiseaules are of a religion that is expendable, the three others have chini, us hands all over them. Besides they are big bargaining chips for gains in many other strategic considerations. But that said, there have been too many things going on inside BD, and much will only be known down the line, provided Pinak Ranjan Chakravarthy chooses to write his memoirs. The Pilkhana stand-off and GoI's readiness to offer help without taking over territory, which would have been easy, has built enough momentum and confidence to blast through some of the vested positions of old. On the other hand, GoI seems to have "acquiesced" to allowing BD goods to be transited via Indian territory to Nepal and Bhutan, without an equivalent agreement for Indian goods to NE, a position we had held since the Mujib-IG agreement. There are some joint maneuvres against Burma and sea boundary stuff. Nothing will/should be surprising at this stage, Nazir could/may well be in Indian hands.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 21 Nov 2009 16:49

Sachin wrote:
Avinash R wrote:What was the reason for disagreements? Political or over some other matter. Im surprised, not a mention of this incident in most news channels.
The initial flare up seems to be because of some Muslim League workers trying to remove some hoardings, of opponents which were in the area of a Muslim League meeting. The ML workers tried to removed it, the police tried to prevent them from doing that. A fight breaks out, and the police is overwhelmed with the arrival of a large gang of Muslim youths in motor bikes. They were more threatening in nature and believed to be armed. The Supdt. of Police and his posse of police men were in grave danger when they were surrounded and the SP fired.

Check up a link from Haindava Keralam a web site from Kerala. Take it as an FYI .

So a small act of tearing up of posters acts as a trigger for riots and police firing. The comments on that site suggest there's a pressure cooker like situation developing in kerala with hawala money being used to evict people from particular religion and close down their businesses. These incidents may be an indicators on how future 'incidents' are being planned out. Hope police are allowed enough autonomy to crack down before this turns into serious bloodletting.

Meanwhile some good work by NIA.

NIA exposes militant-politician-bureaucrat-contractor nexus in Assam
21 November 2009, 02:01pm IST

GUWAHATI: The National Investigating Agency (NIA) has come up with some startling revelations about the politician-militant-bureaucrat-contractor nexus in Assam with government funds to the tune of millions going to the coffers of a separatist group.

The NIA, in its final chargesheet submitted in the court of the Special Judge in Guwahati Nov 17, said elected members of the North Cachar Hills Autonomous Council (NCHAC) helped the outlawed Jewel Garlosa faction of the Dima Halim Daogah (DHD-J) to siphon government funds.

"The main activity of the DHD-J after 2006 was to siphon off government funds through extortion with the help of elected members of the Council, contractors, and government servants, in order to finance their subversive activities," the NIA charge sheet, a copy of which is available with IANS, said.

The NIA was entrusted by the central government in June 2009 to investigate a criminal case after Assam police arrested two DHD-J rebels in April with Rs.10 million cash and weapons.

The two arrested rebels, Phojendra Hojai and Babul Kemprai, spilled the beans during initial interrogation by Assam police, saying the cash was handed over to them by the Chief Executive Member of the NCHAC, Mohit Hojai.

The North Cachar Hills district is in southern Assam where the writ of the DHD-J reigns supreme. The DHD-J in September surrendered en masse before Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi.

"Mohit Hojai and other accused public servants, along with accused contractors, committed criminal misconduct and defalcated huge sums of money from the funds available with NCHAC, which was channelized through Hawala (illegal channels) operators in Guwahati and Kolkata to reach arms smugglers, who in turn supplied weapons to the DHD-J," the NIA charge sheet said.

The NIA accused 14 people in the charge sheet of whom 11 are in jail. The two arrested DHD-J militants are out on bail. Another DHD-J leader Niranjan Hojai, named as an accused in the charge sheet, has not yet been arrested as he led the surrender ceremony in September and is presently at a government-run designated camp.

The state Social Welfare department Deputy Director R.H. Khan, also an accused, is in jail now for conniving with the militants in swindling development funds in the same case.

"Elections to the NCHAC were held in 2007 and the Autonomous State Demand Committee (ASDC) party was elected to power in alliance with the Bharatiya Janata Party. The ASDC had the tacit support of the DHD-J," the NIA charge sheet said.

"Investigations revealed that a portion of funds allotted to two Public Health Engineering (PHE) departments and Social Welfare department were utilized by the DHD-J. Rs.130.5 million was directly siphoned away from the Social Welfare department and about Rs.30 million from the PHE department in 2009," the charge sheet said.

There was also large scale corruption by the NCHAC under its chief Mohit Hojai with business contracts being given to fictitious firms and payments made without the job actually completed or in some case not even started.

The NIA charge sheet also sought permission to produce DHD-J leader Niranjan Hojai in court to face trial as he was the person who received the funds from the NCHAC.

NIA is a new federal agency approved by the Indian government to combat terror and is empowered to deal with terror related crimes without special permission from the states.

The NIA has now referred the matter to the central government for a Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) probe as there were government officials involved in criminal misconduct.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 21 Nov 2009 17:38

Keralite LeT coordinator in Dubai

When Madhani foiled LeT’s bid to ‘hijack’ PDP

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 21 Nov 2009 20:30

shyamd wrote:When Madhani foiled LeT’s bid to ‘hijack’ PDP

I would consider this report as a planted story and take it only with a bucket of salt. A Tamil Nadu bus was hijacked near Kalamassery, Ernakulam Rural Dt and set on fire. The police have now identified the Muslim extremists involved in the case (Thadiyantavida Nazir is involved here as well). And guess what, they were in regular touch with Sufiya w/o Mahdani. Mahdani was in Coimbatore Central Prison this time. Mani, a fellow tamil convict at Cbe. prison had converted to Islam due to Mahdani's influence. The police had questioned him about the people who were in close touch with Mahdani. Now the police say that Mani cannot be traced at all.

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Nov 2009 21:47

LeT’s gameplan was to keep Madhani as the national head of the party and convert the outfit into its cover organisation.
Basheer wanted to control the outfit from his Gulf hideout.

Absolute lack of pressure points w.r.t the Gulf countries is hurting India a lot..

Just good relations and bending backwards to accommodate the gulf nations wont do the trick as the ummah will always be stronger than Indo-<insert gulf country> ties. There is dire need to find some pressure points of the gulf countries to ensure the scum hiding there are promptly turned over.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 22 Nov 2009 02:34

Stan_Savljevic wrote:If its in BD, then we may not have a deportation till an agreement is signed unless the said person is already in Indian hands by now. The deportation agreement is in the works and hope is that SHW and MMS will sign it when SHW comes to India next month. She is also going to receive the IG peace prize, god knows for what . Minus Anup Chetia, Poresh Borua and Ranjan Daimary, we should have most of em "accessible" if the agreement is signed and if cooperation is taken to the next level.

It is one of the fines diplomatic moves MMS govt has played lately. I know who in the higher-ups recommended her name (better to keep it confidential for the national interest), but I second it whole heartedly (though my opinion doesn't matter). It'll pay a rich dividend in the near and long term. Do you think suddenly BD agencies are finding LeT piglets for nothing???

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 22 Nov 2009 06:17

Kati wrote: Do you think suddenly BD agencies are finding LeT piglets for nothing???

Kati, whats going on in the background? Why the sudden crackdown?

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Hoax call activates ‘high alert’ on TN coast

Secure coastline as distant as its length

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 22 Nov 2009 08:02

Shyamd-ji,
In a nut-shell, SHW, shaken by the BDR revolt, is putting her faith more and more
in Bharat's hand. Also, her govt is indebted to GoI for handling that crisis in a very
supportive way - more so to Pranab-da (don't forget his constituency, Jangipur,
borders BD). But some internal cleansing is going on for the last several months.
From various univ campus hostels jamaat elements have been kicked out methodically (though gulf dollar rich jamaat soon found accommodations near outside the campuses). Khaleda Zia's son Tarek Zia was thrown into prison, and has been beaten so severely
that his hip bone was broken. he was transported to London for treatments. AL doesn't
want to take chance with extreme elements any more. Hence those groups
like ULFA, KLO, etc. who are in bed with jamaat are now shown the door. But at the
same time she doesn't want to be seen sold out to India.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 22 Nov 2009 08:42

Kati wrote:Shyamd-ji,
In a nut-shell, SHW, shaken by the BDR revolt, is putting her faith more and more
in Bharat's hand. Also, her govt is indebted to GoI for handling that crisis in a very
supportive way - more so to Pranab-da (don't forget his constituency, Jangipur,
borders BD). But some internal cleansing is going on for the last several months.
From various univ campus hostels jamaat elements have been kicked out methodically (though gulf dollar rich jamaat soon found accommodations near outside the campuses). Khaleda Zia's son Tarek Zia was thrown into prison, and has been beaten so severely
that his hip bone was broken. he was transported to London for treatments. AL doesn't
want to take chance with extreme elements any more. Hence those groups
like ULFA, KLO, etc. who are in bed with jamaat are now shown the door. But at the
same time she doesn't want to be seen sold out to India.

In that case India should also be reserved and quite. Why should it give Indira peace prize? It may help or backfire too.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 22 Nov 2009 08:58

Muppalla wrote:
Kati wrote:Shyamd-ji,
In a nut-shell, SHW, shaken by the BDR revolt, is putting her faith more and more
in Bharat's hand. Also, her govt is indebted to GoI for handling that crisis in a very
supportive way - more so to Pranab-da (don't forget his constituency, Jangipur,
borders BD). But some internal cleansing is going on for the last several months.
From various univ campus hostels jamaat elements have been kicked out methodically (though gulf dollar rich jamaat soon found accommodations near outside the campuses). Khaleda Zia's son Tarek Zia was thrown into prison, and has been beaten so severely
that his hip bone was broken. he was transported to London for treatments. AL doesn't
want to take chance with extreme elements any more. Hence those groups
like ULFA, KLO, etc. who are in bed with jamaat are now shown the door. But at the
same time she doesn't want to be seen sold out to India.
In that case India should also be reserved and quite. Why should it give Indira peace prize? It may help or backfire too.

Probably Not. You have to look at the sensitive issues where BD can get tickled. Every time India wants to buy their gas or talks about accessing Chittagong port (for NE), anti-India elements goes overboard. So softpedalling on those issues will be wise. So also not to press SHW openly to handover ULFA elements. On the otherhand, showering an international prize can elevate their H&D publicly. I hope this peace prize shouldn't be looked at as a gesture
to SHW personally, it sends a positive message to entire AL leadership. After 2001 election, a good number of mid level AL leaders fled to Kolkata under jamaat assult. Now, back in power, they are baying for Jamaat's blood.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Nov 2009 09:04

Now, back in power, they are baying for Jamaat's blood.

And Yindia has an interest in seeing Jamaati downfall in BD. Hope all requisite help si quietly extended whenever BD authorities ask for it.

It is no secret that Jammat is an ISI extension, KSA funded all-bad-news organization.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 22 Nov 2009 11:43

Five killed, 50 injured as three blasts rock Assam
IANS 22 November 2009, 11:00am IST
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 256855.cms

GUWAHATI: Three serial explosions went off in Nalbari district of Assam on Sunday morning, killing five people and leaving more than 50 injured, police said.

The explosions went off in a span of 40 minutes.

The first bomb was kept on a parked bicycle near a police station and exploded around 10 am.

The second went off 20 metres away from the police station, while the third was near a market.

Police suspect that militants of the United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) could be behind the blasts.

Nalbari district is about 70 km west of Assam's main city of Guwahati.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 22 Nov 2009 15:37

Hari Seldon wrote: It is no secret that Jammat is an ISI extension, KSA funded all-bad-news organization.

J-e-I is surely got some sources of cash from pak, ksa etc. But J-e-I is a bachhha when compared with Hizb-ut-Tehrir. For example, J-e-I has been around in UK and even India for god knows how long. The J-e-I [at some minimal point of breakdown] are inward-looking, thats why you have J-e-I (Hind) and J-e-I (pak) etc. The H-ut-T otoh want the caliphate and are a huge attraction, esp with college-folk. In UK, apparently most of the East-London mosques have been taken over by H-ut-T with the older folks still sticking around with J-e-I. And the precise population that is being targeted is not the aamchi-pakis, but the aamchi-bangladeshis. There is a lotta movement between Sylhet and Londonistan, 99% of Londonistan curry industry is owned by Sylhetis. And this is the very same Sylhet which was Hindu-majority in 1900 or so and saw a glut of Islamic-demographic invasion and in 1947 voted in a referendum to join pak [the only place in British India which was allowed to vote in a referendum]. H-ut-T has even made it clear as to what priority comes first: It is making Islamists have a common vision of caliphate [as they envision it] first. From what I read, the H-ut-T tactic is to go and proselytize fellow-Islamists with the clarion call, "Allah desires this from you, brother," "Allah says so, brother, have you read the Quran?" etc. While on the one hand, the Al-Saud family hates the H-ut-T [and considers no. 1 enemy], fellow-Wahhabists fund H-ut-T aplenty. So KSA is funding J-e-I as well as H-ut-T, for as well as against and it is hedging its bets all over the place. Weird...

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 22 Nov 2009 16:56

Kati-ji, Thanks, that was helpful.

Stan, Was actually chatting to a couple of my friends about Hizb ut tahrir and Al Muhajeroun. They are virtually the same organisation. Basically, these groups are laughed at and the people who stand there preaching by night are drug dealers by day. They have weird policies of robbing from Tesco's and Asda's "because they are Non muslims". Other muslims were like

... Most of the supporters live off state benefits and don't think they should get jobs. They prey on weak people and focus on new converts (who are fairly open minded when they join the religion). Its usually rebellious youth who are involved (people who think they are gangsters).

They have all sorts of weird beliefs. They are banned from mosques throughout the UK, where I live they cant set up stalls anywhere near the mosques. They despise the group because they just preach hate and hand out fliers in shopping centres, and people get the opinion that "this is what islam is".

A lot of muslims are convinced that the UK govt wants them here, just to show how bad muslims are etc.

Problem is no one in the muslim community can muster courage to take them on openly. But most of it is taken on by making small remarks against them in the mosques. Thats the level of resistance to them at the moment.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 22 Nov 2009 17:28

Kati, there is a lot India can do to score soft-brownie points in old-gen Bangladeshis who are not into the J-e-I/anti-Indian vision. Robindra Sangeet, Kazi Nazrul Islam, Mohd Yunus, Ted Kennedy, sitar Ravi Sankar etc. still hit the core underbelly of BD, when Mohd Yunus came to deliver a lecture in Parliament, our media [duh as it is] hardly ever mentioned it. So much for strategic awareness. MY creates a feeling of "yes, we can" in the youngistan brigade of BD. The outpourings of grief when Ted Kennedy passed away was amazing, even James Moriarty, the US ambassador was shaken. [Ted Kennedy waged a lonely battle against Nixon & co during 71 for refugee rehabilitation, and folks now read the Senate archives which have been opened up and understand what went on and how they were really lucky in geopolitical alignment.] H&D plays a big role in impression-making in BD. Remember when SRK auctioned Mashrafe Mortoza at a humongous cost, it was all H&D, and when he was hardly fielded during the ipl-season, there was a lot more cries for John Buchanan's head in BD than in Calcutta. Fielding some KKR matches in BD may come at an economic cost, but the H&D gain is huge. IPL is the new Yindian soft-power machine, we should be willing to extend some matches to neighboring countries [minus pak] in the hope of making them join the economic might rather than resisting us in H&D maneuvres. If we have a carrot, we have to use it as a stick as we choose.

Shyam: Londonistan govt's omissions and commissions in hosting H-ut-T are legendary. There is this book by an ex-H-ut-T top-honcho by the name Ed Hossein, titled "The Islamist". Bad English/plot-line if you ask me, but catalogues a laundry list of omissions and commissions and gives an insight into H-ut-T operations in London and elsewhere.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Nov 2009 18:08

shyamd wrote:Stan, Was actually chatting to a couple of my friends about Hizb ut tahrir and Al Muhajeroun. They are virtually the same organisation. Basically, these groups are laughed at and the people who stand there preaching by night are drug dealers by day. They have weird policies of robbing from Tesco's and Asda's "because they are Non muslims".

Shyam, they are not the same organization. There are major differences. H-u-T (or, 'Freedom Party') has a more ideological basis and has its roots in the Middle East, especially the Palestenians. The Pakistani branch of H-u-T was set up in 1990s. H-u-T targets mostly educated individuals and has the sole aim of a Caliphate, for which it works worldwide. It also propagates 'pure Islam'. It does not indulge in terrorism, per se, but provides an enabling environment through its preachings. Many H-u-T cadres are for that purpose in custody in Uzbekistan. In the UK, the H-u-T is dominated by Pakistanis and is largely Birmingham-based.

OTOH, Al Muhajiroun was Founded in London by the one-eyed Egyptian Cleric Omer Bakri Mohammed. Pakistan's branch of Al-Muhajiroun was announced in 2003. Al-Muhajiroun has become adept at inducting educated Westernized Muslim youth into jihad. The July 7 London bombers of Pakistani origin were radicalized by this group. Unlike, H-u-T, the Al Muhajiroun indulges directly in terror and jihad.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 22 Nov 2009 18:21

SSridhar wrote: OTOH, Al Muhajiroun was Founded in London by the one-eyed Egyptian Cleric Omer Bakri Mohammed. Pakistan's branch of Al-Muhajiroun was announced in 2003. Al-Muhajiroun has become adept at inducting educated Westernized Muslim youth into jihad. The July 7 London bombers of Pakistani origin were radicalized by this group. Unlike, H-u-T, the Al Muhajiroun indulges directly in terror and jihad.

SSji, thanks.

We were talking about Omar Bakri too. He claims to have studied in these famous universities in KSA. And, apparently some high level people asked him to prove that he has certificates to prove he attended and till date hasn't produced any. The universities have come out and said we have had no record of him attending the courses. The guy is a fraud. This message came straight from someone from the highlevel MB networks here.

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 22 Nov 2009 21:06

just watched NDTV we the people , something struck me.

1. Why cant there be a tent with some bunk beds made on the gound where these soilders can be housed , including green toilets.

2. Kasab needs to be aquitted on 1 charge atleast as the bullets he fired did not kill Karkare !!!!!

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 22 Nov 2009 22:04

LeT mastermind held in Bangladesh
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... page-1.cms

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 23 Nov 2009 07:11

Latest LeT catch a 'recruiter, arms expert'
http://bdnews24.com/details.php?cid=3&id=147560&hb=top

Including Motaleb, Bangladesh has arrested seven suspected Lashkar operatives since the start of November. Motaleb was arrested in the capital's Motijheel area on Saturday following information given by three LeT members arrested on Nov 13, on suspicion of plotting to attack the Indian and US embassies in Dhaka. The three– Abdul Karim Azhari Sufian, Ashraf Hossain and Monwar Ali–were arrested from Uttara in the capital and Tongi in Gazipur.