Internal Security Watch

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Jan 2011 00:06

http://hinduexistence.wordpress.com/201 ... nisations/

Updated information

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Jan 2011 00:10

rohitvats wrote:Was it not the case that the explosive used in samjhauta express was some sophisticated kind and it took quite some time figure it out? Where did the 'hindu extremist' pick up this skill.....

From LeT!

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 14 Jan 2011 00:39

Here is Asimanand's confession that CBI dutifully leaked to Tehelka :- http://rapidshare.com/files/441969466/A ... strate.pdf

The confession seems like it was dictated by Digvijay Singh himself.

tl;dr:- RSS Leader is ISI agent. To take revenge from Muslims..Hindu 'Saffron' terrorists used Muslims provided by RSS to plant bombs. There is NO mention at all about how they made bombs or from where they got material. Only person who should know is dead.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Jan 2011 01:12

There is a pattern here. Digvijay Singh claimed to have talked to late Hemant Karkare and produced the ATS general phone number as evidence. Similarly we have a dead man talking thru CON agents. In both cases its a suggesto falci technique being used to spread message of Saffron terror. Maybe TSP will ask for interrogating Digvijay Singh as he seems to have all sorts of links to perpetrators.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Jan 2011 01:13

ramana wrote: Maybe TSP will ask for interrogating Digvijay Singh as he seems to have all sorts of links to perpetrators.

he works for RSS

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Jan 2011 01:20

There was talking head from Karachi asking for clarity on the Samjahuta Express incident on TV. So most likely they know how to put GOI in corner. Since DS is claiming talking to HK before his death about saffron terror they might ask for access to him as good faith. So its not far fetched. TSP always looks for putting India in a corner especially if its drawn by India itself.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 14 Jan 2011 01:46

^^ It is the dead guy who did it... WOW! Look at the consistency of their strategy! Not even one dimwit DDM has the IQ to connect the dotted lines!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 14 Jan 2011 01:52

Ok folks, here is an article from Main Stream Media that writes vaguely about the existance of "C" system. So the credibility of "C" system is increasing day-by-day and don't ever call these things are CT anymore. If one does not like these theories/analysis leave it as more to be know.

Swapan Da does not want to be blunt in his writing as he write for a living. Why would a BRF jingo like me should write politically correct

We will write what we think is right passionately. Go back to my definiton of "C" system here:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 85#p994985

RSS must right itself - Swapan Dasgupta

Read with the reports of the interrogations of Lieutenant Colonel Purohit and others charged with the Malegaon bombings, Aseemanand’s testimony offers fascinating insights into the working of ultra-militant Hindu nationalists who felt they were serving the nation by inflicting pain on the Muslim community.

It would appear that there were two distinct conspiracies at work, albeit with some overlaps. First, there was the Abhinav Bharat group, which may well have begun as an intelligence gathering exercise by a section of the military intelligence but ended up as a rogue operation. Second, there was the group of Sunil Joshi which comprised people with Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) links. The hand of Abhinav Bharat seems to have been present in the Malegaon blasts and there are reasons to suspect Joshi’s involvement in the blasts at Macca Masjid and Ajmer Sharif Dargah. Although Joshi claimed to Aseemanand that his boys had also bombed the Samjhauta Express, there is no corroborative evidence to suggest the group had the requisite expertise to assemble such sophisticated improvised explosive devices.

Aseemanand was known to both groups and he appears as a common point of ideological inspiration. But apart from this link, the relationship between the two groups was laced with bitterness and rivalry. A bone of contention appears to be Mr Indresh Kumar, a high RSS functionary on whose behalf the organisation went on public dharnas last year. Lt. Col. Purohit and his associates seem to have regarded Mr Kumar as an “Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agent” and Abhinav Bharat didn’t seem averse to the idea of assassinating RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat. Aseemananda’s testimony indicates that Indresh had deep connections with the Joshi gang and may have facilitated their activities.

In simple terms - Hindu Terror is a bruatal and cruel utilization of an Intel force created to bust sleeper cells of India that actually helps in preventing terror. All the intel agents are the fall guys in this new invention called "Hindu Terror". "samba ho samba"

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 14 Jan 2011 02:04

match this with what the political party has said.

+1 to below

In simple terms - Hindu Terror is a bruatal and cruel utilization of an Intel force created to bust sleeper cells of India that actually helps in preventing terror. All the intel agents are the fall guys in this new invention called "Hindu Terror". "samba ho samba"

it is simply busting up of modules created during ABV time, in short it is the politicization of ALL intelligence agencies

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 14 Jan 2011 03:44

Muppalla wrote:
RSS must right itself - Swapan Dasgupta

First, there was the Abhinav Bharat group, which may well have begun as an intelligence gathering exercise by a section of the military intelligence but ended up as a rogue operation. Second, there was the group of Sunil Joshi which comprised people with Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) links. The hand of Abhinav Bharat seems to have been present in the Malegaon blasts and there are reasons to suspect Joshi’s involvement in the blasts at Macca Masjid and Ajmer Sharif Dargah. Although Joshi claimed to Aseemanand that his boys had also bombed the Samjhauta Express, there is no corroborative evidence to suggest the group had the requisite expertise to assemble such sophisticated improvised explosive devices.
In simple terms - Hindu Terror is a bruatal and cruel utilization of an Intel force created to bust sleeper cells of India that actually helps in preventing terror. All the intel agents are the fall guys in this new invention called "Hindu Terror". "samba ho samba"

Muppalla Garu, not sure what this means. Intel force created to bust which sleeper cells? Intelligence gathering exercise, to gather intelligence on whom?

Are you (or Swapan Da) saying that (a) Hindu militant groups existed in the first place (b) Military Intelligence put together an outfit to gather intel on these groups and (c) that outfit ("Abhinav Bharat") did a Headley by actually joining the cause?

Because that's what it sounds to me like Swapan Da is saying. It's not clear from your post if you are also saying the same thing.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 14 Jan 2011 03:46

X-posting from TSP thread.

CRamS wrote:While I agree that a good part of INC's saffron diversion startegy is to cover up the flak it was getting on corruption & incompetence, but there is a TSP strategy too, which consists of 2 possibilities: 1) To do an equal equal and then say you get rid of your terrorists, and we get rid of ours, work well for India, because there is nothing much to give up, 2) Erase TSP crimes from Indian public consciousness and use divisions and apathy among Indians to take this to fruition.

The first strategy will fail because the last thing TSP wants to do is a tradeoff on terror which is their lynch pin. They want much, much more from India.

The second strategy suits everbody, from INC/MMS, to US, and above all to TSP.

INC/MMS will gain by having to do nothing on Mumbai and other crimes by TSP, and continue Kashmir surrender back channel under the quiet diktat from US.

US of course need not worry about irritation from Indian nationalists that there is such a thing as 'global terror' directed against India from TSP. The "extremists on both sides" narrative comes in very handy.

And finally, TSP gains big time because its colossal crimes against India, most recently Mumbai, are washed away down the Indus river in through MMS's Saffron gift. Their status quo and trump card, i.e. pigLeTs are preserved until US tucks its tail and runs away from AfPak. Then the tamasha begins.

True, and there is more to it.

Quoting S Sridhar from a few days ago:

The PA never held the jihadi brothers by the scruff of their neck or anything else, for that matter. Not then, and most definitely not now. Their only solace today is the LeT, not even JeM. LeT tried its best to ingratiate themselves with the Punjabi Taliban as the tide turned decisively towards the latter's favour a few years back. But the suspicion of them being close to the ISI acted against them and they were rebuffed. Then, they started losing their cadres due to voluntary attrition and poaching. So, today, it is my feeling that the LeT and the PA are left to each other and nobody else. Apart from this mutual accommodation, the 'holding by scruff' is (was) as usual a Musharraf perfidy-cum-bravado.

Undoubtedly, with the wise guidance of such sages as Milt Bearden, Bruce Riedel and Robin Raphel… the above truth has become an article of faith among the bright young Clintonistas who dominate today’s US State Department.

And with that wisdom will have come a realization: Because LeT is the TSPA’s “only solace”, as S Sridhar has put it, the US NEEDS the LeT to be strong and intact, if it is to gain any sort of TSPA cooperation to achieve its Afghanistan ends. LeT is the only retardant keeping at least some of the Pakjabi jihadis from being leached away by the Punjabi Taliban.

It is a much-needed buffer organization, the last bastion of Sarkari jihadism that prevents the Pakjabi jihadis from turning en masse against the TSPA and its US allies. If LeT goes over or is dissolved, a split within the ranks of the TSPA itself, comes next.

So by now, it’s safe to assume that the US State Dept. has concluded that leaning too heavily on the LeT is counterproductive for US interests. This fits in very nicely with the long standing Clinton-Wilsonian thesis that state-sponsored jihad in Pakistan is perfectly ok, even desirable, as long as its terrorism is directed exclusively against India and not the West.

There is one small problem, however. In recent years, US counter-terrorism and intelligence agencies (acting in good faith) collected evidence against the LeT’s international terror links, evidence that was instrumental in building the case that culminated in the UN declaring the LeT an international terrorist organization.

This makes things inconvenient for people in the GOTUS who want to go easy on LeT as a means to win the “war on terror”. How to justify winking at the activity of an organization previously declared an international terrorist group? Maybe, the case needs to be “unmade” a little bit, so that the erstwhile “misguided” declaration of LeT as a terrorist group can be undermined, perhaps eventually undone altogether. Foot has to be extracted from mouth. How?

One key exhibit in the case made by US counter-terrorism agencies against the LeT was the involvement of Arif Usmani, a senior lashkar operative, in the Samjhauta rail blasts of February 2007. Very inconvenient.

If the US itself suddenly declared that they were mistaken in this, for no apparent reason… and absolved LeT of any connection to Samjhauta… that would look too suspicious. Someone in the FBI might even blow a whistle.

So…something apparently “external” needs to happen in order to justify re-opening the FBI assessment of the Samjhauta attack, something that casts doubt on the case made by the US against LeT’s perpetration of that attack.

For example: something like a perfectly-tailored (and widely broadcast) confession before a magistrate taking responsibility for the attack… by someone else completely disconnected from LeT but allegedly belonging to a different terrorist group.

Such as a “Hindu” or “Saffron” terror group, which Rahul Gandhi has already cited as the main category of threat to India’s security today.

The confession extracted from Swami Aseemanand on the involvement of “Hindu terror” groups in the Samjhauta blasts… perpetrated allegedly by one Sunil Joshi who can tell no tales because he is conveniently dead… is just what the doctor ordered.

This isn’t just my idea, or a personal CT. From this Swapan Dasgupta article:

http://www.dailypioneer.com/309363/Usin ... lines.html

There is a larger international dimension as well. The US investigators have claimed, based on inputs from sources in Pakistan, that it was a Lashkar-e-Tayyeba squad under Arif Usmani that had carried out the blasts. This was an important basis for the UN Security Council decision to brand the LeT a terrorist organisation, a decision that has international ramifications. Does Aseemanda's testimony overturn these conclusions?

You see, it all works out very neatly for the protagonists.

Doubt is cast on the case made against LeT, and by extension, the UNSC's declaration of LeT as an international terrorist organization. While this may not lead to an overturning of the declaration, it adds a sufficient quantity of murkiness to justify endless delays and circumventions by the West in acting against LeT.

Thus LeT is allowed to continue flourishing as a retardant/buffer organization between the TSPA and the jihadi public of TSP. TSPA wins, LeT wins, and the West wins.

And India?

Well, as promised, the Congress GOI has gone more than half the distance, correct? Who said sellouts had to be restricted to such public utterances as in Sharm-el-Shaikh and Thimpu?

Surely there will be commensurate rewards from Washington for those who facilitated the “redemption of LeT” by apportioning the blame for Samjhauta to “Hindu terrorists” instead. After all, economic growth (subcontracted to American reactor-builders and others) is far more important than the lives of a few mango Indians taken out by the occasional LeT attack. Why should it be that important to have LeT be declared an international terrorist group?

Not only that, the Congress GOI gets to use its tremendous success against implicating “Hindu terrorists” for Samjhauta in other ways on the domestic front. It gets to embarrass the BJP. It gets to silence an anti-conversion activist. And it gets to divert public attention from its continuous, ongoing rape and plunder of the public exchequer.

All win-win for the Congress. All lose-lose for India. But when has a victory for the Congress ever failed to imply a concomitant loss for India?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Jan 2011 03:54

vijayk wrote:^^ It is the dead guy who did it... WOW! Look at the consistency of their strategy! Not even one dimwit DDM has the IQ to connect the dotted lines!

vijaykgaru, That is why I asked did we fight for Independence or Freedom?

If its for Independence without freedom its still a ongoing struggle.

Tagore wrote it right about that "let my country wake in that heaven of freedom!"
So I just used that path to see the chicanery.

To see clearly the mind has to be without fear. Even at work I am called in when there is vexing issue.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 14 Jan 2011 04:47

Rudradev ji,
Read the definition here
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 85#p994985

NDA government created un-official sleeper-cell penetrating intel group which includes IB and MI that has motivated-risk taking foot soldiers across so called hindutva groups like Abhinav Bharat.

All these foot-soldiers are convineintly being arrested as "Hindu terrorists" while actually they are doing certain intel ops. In simple words, intel agents are being arrested as rouge hindu terrorists. They know the ones who created these cannot comeout and defend them.

So far this was like a CT and certain blogs carried. Now slowly even the MSM folks like Swapan Da started carrying the stories though with political correctness.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Jan 2011 05:04

And who is the link in the INC to root out these plausible cover ops?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 14 Jan 2011 05:13

ramana wrote:And who is the link in the INC to root out these plausible cover ops?

It started during MKN and after Karkare's death, MKN's work also completed as that big a senior is not required anymore. He is rewarded as Governor of WB. Diggy is there to use the entire "busting the cover of the agents" ops as some hindu terror politically.

There is another angle to this: The biggest and huge complaint by the west during NDA regime was that India is biggest benefactor of 9/11. By doing this and creating an equal-equal with LeT, India probably helped west with respect to pakistan.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 14 Jan 2011 06:15

If I understand it right, the PoliticsParty theory is that ABV PMO sanctioned deep cover operations to bomb Muslim localities so that Muslim citizens get mad at Pakistan sponsored terror. As pointed out, the unintended consequences of this strategy was a consolidation of Muslim vote for INC because of a fear of the agencies investigating each attack. But since attacks are continuing to happen, it is possible that MMS is continuing PMO patronage with involvement of new actors.

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 14 Jan 2011 06:45

^^^ Swapan Dasgupta has to be smoking something really strong...Abhinav Bharat an offshoot of an intel ops gone rogue!!?

To start with, MI has NO jurisdiction on domestic intelligence against terror groups (outside places like Kashmir where the Army is deployed)...they dont have the infratsructure, the training, or most importantly the legal mandate to do anything like that...Any such operation would be nipped in the bud by the IB itself!!! And that intel group funnily had the wherewhithal to source explosives as well...Well its too bizarre to even merit a second read - usually Swapan D is a good read!

The problem isnt with the investigation, the problem is with the leaks accompanying the same...Its not just restricted to "hinu terror"...Every incident of terror has the police/ATS/someone very quickly coming out with information of "masterminds", arrests of "key people", rumours of how a complicated operation was launched...In a particular Mumbai blast case, we had the bizarre scenario of ATS, Crime Branch and the IB talking of nabbing different sets of "masterminds" at different points in time...

The leaks on Aseemanand's confession has had one HUGE impact - it simply warns everyone involved that a specific canary has sung..And all of them would be taking more desperate meausres to save their skins..Which means it gets at the margin even more difficult to get everyone...

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 14 Jan 2011 11:19

^Commie birather you look very confused today, must be loneliness affecting you with binayak chaaki peesing in jail and nobody to share your revolutionary thoughts

Smoking something strong is habit of commies, not journalists like Swapan Dasgupta

Google birather is your friend, learn to use it and stop spreading lies that MI cant track and arrest terrorists in cooperation with state police and interrogate them

Two suspected millitant arrested Monday, 09 Apr 2007 at 10:17 pm
1. Based on an intelligence lead received during the early part of 2007 by officers of the Military Intelligence Unit at Kolkata regarding senior functionaries and active fighting cadres of the banned insurgent group of Manipur Named PREPAK (Shanti Faction) hiding in Kolkata, a discreet surveillance was worked out to keep a close watch on their movements.

2. On 07 Apr 07, based on specific information of the Military Intelligence Unit of Eastern Command regarding two of the senior functionaries of this banned insurgent faction preparing to leave for Imphal by Indian Airlines flight IC-211 from Kolkata, an Army Unit carried out a joint operation with Manipur Police at Imphal Airport and arrested both the insurgents at around at 13:30 hrs same day. They have been identified as under :-

(a) Y Sanjay Singh, Self styled Finance Secretary of PREPAK (Shanti Faction).
(b) Leisharam Ibobi Singh, Self styled Political Secretary of PREPAK (Shanti Faction).

3. Immediately warning bells were sent by insurgents in Imphal to their members in Kolkata. Cadres here were seen moving away from their respective locations. Officers of Military Intelligence immediately got alerted and swiftly reacted to the situation. Maintaining absolute secrecy, two fighting cadres of PREPAK (Shanti Faction) were arrested from Southern Suburbs of Kolkata on 8 April, by carrying out joint raid with the Officers of CID West Bengal. Cadres have been identified as :-

(a) Self Styled Captain Leishmba alias Rakesh Singh.
(b) Self Styled Lieutenant R K Dhaneswar alias Changlamba.

4. According to last report received detailed search of their known hideouts were being carried out and necessary seizures are being made. Interrogation of all above cadres is in progress at present at respective locations. It has also come to light through own sources that SS Captain Rakesh is a hard core terrorist who has under gone training in Myanmar.

http://cidwestbengal.gov.in/users/viewd ... &type=news

negi · Post by **negi** » 14 Jan 2011 14:47

I think too much attention is being given to Ch**tiyas like Aseemanand and kaccha-banyan giroh aka RSS, these worthies have lost their track and imho need to be relieved of their misery asap. Seriously today more than anyone else it is the likes of RSS and their sister orgs that pose the greatest threat to the so called 'right wing' for their lunatic ways only provide more ammo to the mofos like Digvijay Singh and the maggots from the dynasty.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 14 Jan 2011 15:03

negi wrote:I think too much attention is being given to Ch**tiyas like Aseemanand and kaccha-banyan giroh aka RSS, these worthies have lost their track and imho need to be relieved of their misery asap. Seriously today more than anyone else it is the likes of RSS and their sister orgs that pose the greatest threat to the so called 'right wing' for their lunatic ways only provide more ammo to the mofos like Digvijay Singh and the maggots from the dynasty.

You dont understand Negi, once its decided that the right wingers have to be put down, Aseemanands would be "created" to ensure that right wing goes down.

Hum aah bhee karte hain to......
(If I as much as even sigh........)

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 14 Jan 2011 15:20

negi wrote:I think too much attention is being given to Ch**tiyas like Aseemanand and kaccha-banyan giroh aka RSS, these worthies have lost their track and imho need to be relieved of their misery asap. Seriously today more than anyone else it is the likes of RSS and their sister orgs that pose the greatest threat to the so called 'right wing' for their lunatic ways only provide more ammo to the mofos like Digvijay Singh and the maggots from the dynasty.

Fixed it for you

I think too much attention is being given to Ch**tiyas like Negi and bra and panty giroh aka pseudo liberals, these worthies have lost their track and imho need to be relieved of their misery asap. Seriously today more than anyone else it is the likes of pseudo liberals and their sister orgs that pose the greatest threat to the so called 'secular fabric' by their lunatic ways only providing more ammo to the mofos like duffer gandhi and the maggots from the dynasty.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 14 Jan 2011 15:49

6 Suggestions to Hindu Terrorists
Posted by Sandeep

Last night I ended up reading the Mumbai Police chargesheet on Abhinav Bharat (the Hindu terror group responsible for various blasts across India), the forensic report (what passes for night-time reading in my life) and Aseemanand’s (one of the Abhinav Bharat member) hand-written confession in Hindi (thanks to ER for fishing it out for me). After digesting all this information I have decided to...wait for it...convert my religion to Presbyterian Church of East Africa. The reason: I demand my religion, nay deserve my religion, to be represented a better class of terrorists. Seriously, Islam get Al Qaeda, Christianity gets IRA and Hinduism gets these monkeys? I would rather go with Somalian Pirates (East African Church kind)

The only time I will get to use Abhinav Bharat and masterminds in the same sentence is when saying, “Abhinav Bharat is to masterminds like velociraptor is to friendly pet.” While I am opposed to terrorism and violence, I am more vehemently opposed to stupidity. Hence, I am forthwith dispensing six pieces of advice to any Hindu out there aspiring to be a terrorist. Please heed to my advice or pretty much don’t blow up stuff, although preferably the latter:

1. Pick an issue from this century. According to Aseemanand’s confession, the reason they decided to target the Mecca Masji, Hyderabad in 2007 was “the Nizam of Hyderabad had decided to go with Pakistan in 1947 , and they should be punished for that.” Seriously? That’s your plan? Punishing a city for an unsuccessful decision taken by a Nizam 60 years ago? I mean were they hoping to kill Nizam’s great-great-grandchild in the blast? Its like George W Bush invading Iraq because his daddy once had a beef with Saddam (oh, wait...)

2. No need to gift-wrap the evidence. While the movie industry and newspapers have convinced us of the incompetence of police in this country, there is no need to go out of your way to help them in their investigation. And video-taping yourself planning the bomb blasts and then leaving the video (with quality audio) on your laptop is clearly doing too much . You might as well...uh...I can’t think of doing anything else to make it easier for the police.

...except may be this.
Yet, this is precisely what these guys did. In the seized laptop of Sudhakar Dwivedi, police found videos of all the Abhinav Bharat members holding meetings in Faridabad, Ujjain and Bhopal discussing their plans.

3. Know thy enemy. Having someone to hate is critical for the existence of a terrorist group. So these guys decided to hate Muslims. Totally understandable, what with Muslims being minority and all, they clearly must be the oppressor in India. But once you have made Muslims your sworn enemies, don’t go recruiting them for your agenda. Aseemanand confesses that Sunil Joshi, who executed the Ajmer blast, had two Muslims helping him in the bombing! What the hell? It’s like US Army paying Taliban for its troop security (oh, wait...)

4. Don't be an asshole. As terrorist group names go, Abhinav Bharat is not exactly the most terror-inspiring one; come to think of it, Abhinav (meaning innovative) Bharat doesn’t even mean anything. Then why get into copyright infringement with a perfectly decent NGO? Abhinav Bharat is a charitable trust working in Mumbai since 2001 (their website is the first to pop up when you google Abhinav Bharat) blissfully unaware of any bomb plots. Now they have to run around issuing press releases and convincing every tom, dick and harry that the only crime they ever committed was trying to popularize hockey (during IPL!)

5. Give us a little context please. According to ever-so-informative video tapes seized by police, Abhinav Bharat agenda is to replace constitution of India to include more Hindutva in every aspect of society. It goes on suggesting more drastic measures like building forts in Madhya Pradesh (for real) for youth to have something to look up to etc. And the bomb blasts were just a way of drawing attention and uniting the Hindus. But then why didn’t they claim responsibilities for the blasts? For more than two years after the beginning of these bomb blasts, everyone including the police continued to think it was some Islamic extremist! Were we supposed to guess? Clearly these guys are loud as a mouse squeak.

6. Do not employ sentimental old fools. The worst part is Aseemanand confessed not because of police pressure or desperation but because of an honest to god, feel-good-movie style change of heart. Aseemanand was turned to the path of love and penance by Kalim - his cellmate in Hyderabad jail - who helped him by bringing food and water. Despite being a Muslim, Kalim’s helpful nature led Aseemanand’s conscience to ask him “to do prayschit [repent].” How is a hardcore terrorist organization supposed to maintain its operational secrecy if one of its primary member has a conscience?

These are the lessons learnt from history. So in future please keep them in mind while you mindlessly prepare for a random attack on innocent citizens who are likely to have played no role whatsoever in your imagined atrocities against Hindus (they may very well be Hindus.) As we all know, learning from your past mistakes helps you avoid them in future. Just like US having failed to miserably in Iraq and Afghanistan is no longer thinking of invading Iran (oh wait...)

negi · Post by **negi** » 14 Jan 2011 16:25

Sanku maharaj the RSS is being used to put down the right wing because the latter has not yet distanced itself from the former. RSS is a dinosaur it's take on nationalism is both shrill and reeks off unnecessary tokenism, they have brought such a bad name to themselves that their mere association with a cause is enough to compromise it .

Raghavendra if that makes you sleep well at night, so be it.

, btw on a serious note honestly how many of us in real life would like to be associated with RSS (lets ignore this internet rakshaking for a while) ? I know for a fact that in corporate India people would be wary of recruiting anyone who has an allegiance to RSS as a matter of fact after Col. Purohit's episode stern instructions have gone out to everyone in fauj to stay clear of these guys. For an organization to make a foothold amongst the masses just having a noble cause and high ideals is not enough for the public opinion is greatly influenced by the intelligentsia and the media and these guys must be doing something horribly wrong to always end up on the wrong side of the latter.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 14 Jan 2011 16:44

^er negiji, have you been in,with,or associated with anybody from RSS. Or is just you are just repeating what comes in sickular circles.
The "intelligensia" and the "media" will never ever say good thing about RSS. The RSS cadres have done good work during national disasters , how many of our (un)intelligensia and "media" even reported it.
Around 10 or 11 years back when there was an earthquake in Gujarat, just like many other institutions our college where I worked as a lecturer collected relief materials, money and went to Gujarat to distribute it directly to the people. It was headed by a uber secularist, old school socialist , great admirer or soviet union(he said he still could not understand why it broke), a worshipper of gandhi/nehru family. What does he find there, RSS teams doing job more efficiently than govt machinery. They even provided shelter, food to these guys and helped them distribute the materials. A guy who used to criticise everything right wing gave a grudging respect to them. They may have their faults, their own views. However if Indian society has a place for an organisation like (con)g , then it has a place for RSS. Ofcourse the current discourse, thoughts is heavily against them . I had started a thread sometime to discuss RSS kind of organisation. A certain Afsar gave marching orders to it

For the record, Iam not from RSS nor any of family member is associated.

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 14 Jan 2011 17:27

Raghavendra wrote: Google birather is your friend, learn to use it and stop spreading lies that MI cant track and arrest terrorists in cooperation with state police and interrogate them

Raghavendraji, google is a great friend, no doubt..How about studying a little bit more on the Indian state structure itself, so that you can have a more informed view? Then google can be an even bigger friend..

It is one thing for MI to be involved in places like Kashmir and Manipur where the Army is deployed (as I had already mentioned), it is completely different for them to start spying around in assorted jihadi and "hindu" groups within the country...To start with, they have no legal/executive sanction/protection to do that..Second, they do not have the sort of administrative linkages with various state police forces and other administrative bodies that is so crucial in any intel operation - as only the police (and CBI, and NIA) have the powers to arrest a person - even IB doesnt...If MI start involving itself in domestic civilian crimes, where does the military-civilian boundaries stop?

India is hardly Robinson Crusoe in this repsect - all normal countries have the same "business boundaries", if you will..

Therefore, this chestnut of an intel ops gone rogue, first floated by Ashok Malik I think, is so laughable that it doesnt even merit a reading...

rkirankr wrote:The RSS cadres have done good work during national disasters , how many of our (un)intelligensia and "media" even reported it.

Many times..In fact stories of RSS participating in relief ops is reported very often..As do stories of Shiv Sena doing relief in Mumbai (I have even seen bollywood films depicting that)...Perversely, there were lots of stories about the Taliban organising much better relief ops than the Pak govt after the KAshmir earthquake

An organisation can remain anachronistic in its worldview, and can continue to do good "service" in certain areas..They are not necessarily contrary to each other...

the problem with RSS is exactly that it is NOT what most Indians would like in a right wing representative organisation...and there is space for one...It does not have a semblence of scholarship, its primary worldviews around cow, mandir-masjid, economy et al are so anachronistic that 21st century India has no time for it..Above all, if Sudarshan is the best example of "scholarship" that RSS can churn out (as Tarun Vijay certified), well, the DU debating society probably has a bigger consoliated IQ...No wonder attendance in its shakhas are down massively...As MJ Akbar puts it so well (including in his recent "Tinderbox"), the middle class of India has realised one key message - that prosperity and social strife does not go hand in hand...As a result, any ideology that is constantly evoking "tensions" of the past is unlikely to receive middle class sanction...An economic policy around "swadeshi" is hardly going to enthuse a bunch of techies looking to join Google and IBM and HP...Part of the reason why BJP lost its middle class base (look at the number of urban seats it lost to congress both in 2004 and in 2009) is this whole RSS baggage that seems to constrain it from defnining a fresh right wing agenda...

While RSS as a source of "terror elements" is a matter yet unproven, its utility as a right wing force is nil, in fact negative...And if it is proven that some of these loonies originated from RSS, it is really sayonara for the organisation...

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 14 Jan 2011 17:29

negi wrote:Raghavendra if that makes you sleep well at night, so be it. , btw on a serious note honestly how many of us in real life would like to be associated with RSS (lets ignore this internet rakshaking for a while) ? I know for a fact that in corporate India people would be wary of recruiting anyone who has an allegiance to RSS as a matter of fact after Col. Purohit's episode stern instructions have gone out to everyone in fauj to stay clear of these guys. For an organization to make a foothold amongst the masses just having a noble cause and high ideals is not enough for the public opinion is greatly influenced by the intelligentsia and the media and these guys must be doing something horribly wrong to always end up on the wrong side of the latter.

congress party leader Mohammad Ali Shaikh was involved in 26/11, so why you dont call for a ban on congress?
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 25#p998325

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 721555.cms

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 801041.cms

bolo bhai ab chup kyon ho?

ban ban ban kar do congress party ko

swami Aseemanand has stopped the demographic invasion of india http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1006025

AjayKK wrote:From what i have read and understood, there is little "evidence" against Swami Aseemanand.

He is simply being harassed because he was in the one who reversed the tide of conversion in the Dangs district of Gujarat. With the help of Hindu sanghatan and affiliated groups, he has successfully reduced conversion and managed to get the vanvasis back to the fold of Dharma. Since he and other members began their work in Dangs in 1997, thousands of vanvasis have been freed from the burden of being a second-class converted people.

Swami Aseemanand and others also organised a massive "Shabri Kumbh" mela in the Dangs in February 2006 to galvanise the people and awaken them towards the anti-national forces.

As a report in the secular newspaper notes:

http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/78580/

Asheemananda said. ‘‘Hindu samaj faces two big challenges—Islamic jehad and Christian conversions. We need to confront both these threats on a global scale,’’ he said. The four traditional kumbh melas (held at Prayag, Hardwar, Nasik and Ujjain) had begun when ‘‘Hinduism was under threat’’. ‘‘We thought it was time to start a fifth Kumbh to meet the threat posed by conversions in this region,’’ Asheemananda said.
Notice the arrangements made for the mela, also note that the secular paper marks the swayam-sevaks as "Gujarati tourists"

Busloads of Gujarati tourists as well as RSS swayamsevaks have already started coming to Pampa Sarovar. At the camp site, a meeting of ‘karyakartas’ was being held when the Express team visited the spot. The model of ‘nagars’ (townships) that will soon be constructed to house the kumbh mela pilgrims is ready. A total of 40 nagars, each housing 5,000 persons, will be constructed. Apart from ‘pucca’ arrangements for two lakh pilgrims, tents and other facilities will accommodate another couple of lakhs, said local activist Shambhu Chavan.
The Shabari Dham temple is seen here:

http://www.dangstourism.com/Shabari.aspx#

The official version of Shabari Kumbh mela and the role of Swami Aseemanand is provided here:

http://www.shabarikumbh.org/archives/shabari-kumbh/

From the same site, the role of World Vision is revealed:

http://www.shabarikumbh.org/archives/sh ... barikumbh/

Then Swami Aseemanand "became" an accused in Feb 2007 Samjhauta Express blasts, May 2007 Mecca Masjid blast in Hyderabad and is "allegedly involved" in 2008 Malegaon blasts.

so he is a respected man for me along with many millions of indians who wish to see to a united india free from clutches of foreigners.
i know that causes khujli for sonia since she wants to convert indians, google for sonia's role in helping ron watts

sonia killed swami laxminand in orissa and now assemanand is a victim of sonia's agenda of conversions. she thinks by removing him she can resume her conversion agenda, but being duffer ki mummy she is miscalculating big time.

money minded people like you think joining RSS will affect their career prospects, that shows the level of neechness filled in your mind. evrything starts and ends with money for congress chamchas, no concern for self-respect, protection of family, safeguarding india from invasions.

riots in deganga, ethinc cleansing of 28 thousand hindu rabhas dont mean a thing to congress chamchas who are happy to watch and keep quiet

ab aur kuch bolna baki hai kya birather

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 14 Jan 2011 17:47

somnath wrote:Raghavendraji, google is a great friend, no doubt..How about studying a little bit more on the Indian state structure itself, so that you can have a more informed view? Then google can be an even bigger friend..

When i have buddhijeevis like you informing me why do i need google

somnath wrote:It is one thing for MI to be involved in places like Kashmir and Manipur where the Army is deployed (as I had already mentioned), it is completely different for them to start spying around in assorted jihadi and "hindu" groups within the country...

Kolkatta is in Manipur

Read birather read, dont be in a hurry

Two suspected millitant arrested Monday, 09 Apr 2007 at 10:17 pm
1. Based on an intelligence lead received during the early part of 2007 by officers of the Military Intelligence Unit at Kolkata regarding senior functionaries and active fighting cadres of the banned insurgent group of Manipur Named PREPAK (Shanti Faction) hiding in Kolkata, a discreet surveillance was worked out to keep a close watch on their movements.

3. Immediately warning bells were sent by insurgents in Imphal to their members in Kolkata. Cadres here were seen moving away from their respective locations. Officers of Military Intelligence immediately got alerted and swiftly reacted to the situation. Maintaining absolute secrecy, two fighting cadres of PREPAK (Shanti Faction) were arrested from Southern Suburbs of Kolkata on 8 April, by carrying out joint raid with the Officers of CID West Bengal. Cadres have been identified as :-

http://cidwestbengal.gov.in/users/viewd ... &type=news

somnath wrote:To start with, they have no legal/executive sanction/protection to do that..Second, they do not have the sort of administrative linkages with various state police forces and other administrative bodies that is so crucial in any intel operation - as only the police (and CBI, and NIA) have the powers to arrest a person - even IB doesnt...If MI start involving itself in domestic civilian crimes, where does the military-civilian boundaries stop?

"It does not matter what color a cat is as long as it hunts mice" Deng birather

MI,IB,RAW,DIA,CID,CBI saab ek hain, kyon ki un saab ka baap GOI hai

somnath wrote:Therefore, this chestnut of an intel ops gone rogue, first floated by Ashok Malik I think, is so laughable that it doesnt even merit a reading...

Birather dont laugh too hard, you will fall of the donkey.

Take a chill pill and go to sleep now, what will people say when they see you unable to comprehend simple matters like what ashok malik said. They may admit you to mental hospital seeing your condition.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 14 Jan 2011 17:59

Ok Somnath,
So you say RSS== Taliban, my point is that this is what the DDM has been saying. I do not know what Sudarshan says, but I have had some interactions with some functionaries of RSS and let me say that there scholarship is good. Highly educated, articulate and also participating in this economic growth. What Iam saying is if MMS is allowed to say one community has first right over resources and still be considered as a good leader, great economist,intellectual, then RSS has its swadeshi economics. Why no comment/analysis on the former and only criticise RSS for its stand. On Mandir atleast it is proved that there is some stuff in it. I do not think BJP lost at all the places where they lost because of RSS's swadeshi economics. It would be a good to see how many techies actually voted

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 14 Jan 2011 18:19

rkirankr wrote:So you say RSS== Taliban

Thats not what I said, only that an anchronistic worldview and a capability to deliver a disciplined relief effort can go together...

About the "scholarship" of the RSS, I am yet to read anything of significance that can stand the scrutinny of even a minor refereed journal, forget setting down an agenda a la Nietscze, Voltaire, Marx, even Gandhi, Nehru, Martin Luther King, Kissinger...Where is the equivalent of a Heritage foundation? Where is the equivalent of a Henry Kissinger? KS Sudarshan is supposed to be an "intellectual" (certificate from Tarun Vijay) - on what basis? Conspiracy theories on Sonia Gandhi? Cow urine? Dattopant Thengadi is supposed to be the other intellectual, of the economic kind - of revitalising khadi? Stoning KFC outlets? On how all MNCs are vile? Is it a coincidence that so many of those with some scholastic credibility in the BJP (or BJP sympathies) are daggers drawn with the RSS - Jaswant Singh, Arun Shourie? I wont delve on the mandir issue as that would just take the discussion way more OT...

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 14 Jan 2011 18:26

Raghavendra wrote: Two suspected millitant arrested Monday, 09 Apr 2007 at 10:17 pm
1. Based on an intelligence lead received during the early part of 2007 by officers of the Military Intelligence Unit at Kolkata regarding senior functionaries and active fighting cadres of the banned insurgent group of Manipur Named PREPAK (Shanti Faction) hiding in Kolkata, a discreet surveillance was worked out to keep a close watch on their movements.

2. On 07 Apr 07, based on specific information of the Military Intelligence Unit of Eastern Command regarding two of the senior functionaries of this banned insurgent faction preparing to leave for Imphal by Indian Airlines flight IC-211 from Kolkata, an Army Unit carried out a joint operation with Manipur Police at Imphal Airport and arrested both the insurgents at around at 13:30 hrs same day. They have been identified as under :-

(a) Y Sanjay Singh, Self styled Finance Secretary of PREPAK (Shanti Faction).
(b) Leisharam Ibobi Singh, Self styled Political Secretary of PREPAK (Shanti Faction).

3. Immediately warning bells were sent by insurgents in Imphal to their members in Kolkata. Cadres here were seen moving away from their respective locations. Officers of Military Intelligence immediately got alerted and swiftly reacted to the situation. Maintaining absolute secrecy, two fighting cadres of PREPAK (Shanti Faction) were arrested from Southern Suburbs of Kolkata on 8 April, by carrying out joint raid with the Officers of CID West Bengal. Cadres have been identified as :-

(a) Self Styled Captain Leishmba alias Rakesh Singh.
(b) Self Styled Lieutenant R K Dhaneswar alias Changlamba.

4. According to last report received detailed search of their known hideouts were being carried out and necessary seizures are being made. Interrogation of all above cadres is in progress at present at respective locations. It has also come to light through own sources that SS Captain Rakesh is a hard core terrorist who has under gone training in Myanmar.

http://cidwestbengal.gov.in/users/viewd ... &type=news

The NE states are under the AFSPA, so the MI CAN arrest/detain suspects independently there. Any other place, it needs to be related to its operations elsewhere, and it needs coordinate with the civil authorities with the police carrying out the actual arrest. The MI does NOT have the authority to carry out an independent intelligence operation in the hinterland. Only the IB or state intelligence can legally do so. Bottomline, there is no way in hell Purohit's activities had any official sanction whatsoever.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 14 Jan 2011 18:33

Sanku wrote: You dont understand Negi, once its decided that the right wingers have to be put down, Aseemanands would be "created" to ensure that right wing goes down.

Hum aah bhee karte hain to......
(If I as much as even sigh........)

Sankuji, nobody can take the right wing go down. Only right wing can go down if it starts worrying about getting certificates and looks for acceptance from the pseudo quarters. When right wing learns to give a damn about acceptance from the pontificating commies, masquerading as liberals, and other pretenders, it will stop mattering. Right wing is here to stay and it can only grow stronger, because it has no other direction in its kitty. It is starting at a lowest point, so only place for it to go is up.
If there were to be a direct counter part on the right wing side to the masquerading liberals, liberals would be singing vande mataram everyday. Well, fake liberals are having it so good, that they do not know what a real true matching opponent is!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 14 Jan 2011 18:41

More details. I know how to read the article and decipher. I leave it up to the readers. More and more details.

http://beta.epw.in/static_media/PDF/arc ... frelot.pdf

Samudragupta · Post by **Samudragupta** » 14 Jan 2011 18:57

Thank God(?) that RSS is not a right wing organisation

I am not here to promote/demote the the organisation but just to keep the points simlple abt the so called right wing conspiracy,lets go to stats...

1.RSS != Right Wing Organisation.
2.RSS!=Military Order.
3.RSS!=Politcal Order.
4.RSS!=Intellectual Order(They may not have Nietscze, Voltaire, Marx, even Gandhi, Nehru, Martin Luther King, Kissinger but they certainly have lots of Shariati Ali)
5.Branches== 53000 and increasing
6.Active cadres going to Sakha everyday==4 million
7.No of Techies(so called) in Bangalore going to Sakha==3000
8.Can anybody stop them if they arm them selves==NO
9.Can anybody stop them if they choose for Revolution==NO
10.Do they want to take political power by violence==NO
11. Is there a scope for genuine Right Wing Org in India==Yes

I think that may have helped to remove some of the confusion...

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 14 Jan 2011 19:04

If RSS or for that matter "Sangh Parivaar" were not there...much of Indian population would have been non-Hindu. As long as there is this Anti-Hindu feeling among Mullahs and Bishops...Sangh Parivar is required to balance if not to nullify the threats to Hindu civilisation. Ofcourse this threat will be understood only when a particular person or his family comes under fire....

bottom line is--it doesn't matter how much we yap "against" or "for" RSS/Sangh.....they will be there and will function independently in India like leukocytes does in a living human body....

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 14 Jan 2011 19:07

Tamang wrote:Hundreds block Delhi's Jungpura flyover after DDA demolishes mosque

Delhi CM: Demolished mosque would be rebuilt

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 14 Jan 2011 19:13

So the "loonies" have started out coming again in references on this thread! Again only form one particular ideological/theological/community background. The Kashmiri Muslim separatists are not loonies. The boys who used throw bricks and stones are not loonies. In fact the spate of sympathies and righteous indignation and pious solemn promises that "such things will never be repeated again in India" about the supposed encounter of a supposed Maoist leader in Andhra - coming from heavyweight legally sanctified and prestigious sources and organs of the rashtra - are not "loonies".

I am surprised that we use the word "ch***yias" about anyone on this forum. Including Aseemanand. Isn't it time we learnt some self control in expressions? That word has a specific connotation in Hindi, and we have no means of knowing that Aseemanand's favourite activity corresponds to the word. There are posters who will continue to use terms like "loony/loonies" only to subgroups of Hindus the poster has reconstructed as his/her pet hate. Such posters will never find loony-ness in Kashmiri separatists, Maoist leadership, Arundhati Roy, Verappa Moily who this day has vowed to see to it that such things as "India killing its own children" like Azad never takes place again. But do we really want to emulate such totally blinded and committed to "Hindu-right-bashing" posters in obsessively repeating an advective as a succint expression of intense hatred for a community?

There are many who have been born into Hindu families, but who feel intensely uncomfortable with that heritage and feel the need to be accepted in ruling circles or apparently state favoured theocratic leanings - and therefore they need to show publicly how much they hate their origins and birth culture associations.

Is RSS bashing an agenda here? We should turn this into a Congress or Marxist forum then! Is RSS a security threat to India? It has been a consistent theme right from the point when the British started moving against the RSS - as it came up to face oppositionf rom teh RSS in moving ahead with its plans to strengthen the hands of the loonies from Muslim League - especially in the territories occupied by the Pakis now. In fact there was a time point between 1945-1947 when the Congress did not make strong noises - not even a moaning or a groaning, and the Communists were supporting the Muslim loonies about formation of Pakistan. In such a condition it was the "Hindu Right Wing" in the form of RSS and Hindu Mahasabha that alone opposed Partition and the Muslim loonies on the ground - in western India and then undivided Bengal.

The Congress was primarily dominated by the "baniafication" of nationalism, by which the longstanding comromising elite of northern plains who sold off their people, their lands, their women and perhaps even gifted their family to Islamic loonies from Afghanistan and Iran and Arabia - also compromised in similar manner with the British. So for them protection of the majority of their birth culture - which happens to be non-Muslim - was never a priority, it was more about continuation in power - whatever scarificing of people and culture that might need.

Indian history has proved through the Partition and subsequent continuous stream of small or large scale violence or not-so-obvious demographic aggression, that the so-called centre-left comprising the Congress and the Communists will never come to protect the majority community and its culture or heritage. The rashtryia power maintained by resources extreacted from the people, which by necessity of sheer numbers is therefore primarily extracted from the majority community will be consistently used against the security of the majority community. Just as the British Indian Army stood by and watched Muslim loonies slaughter and rape Hindus and Sikhs in the early days and moved in only when the majority began to resist so that Muslim loonies could be protected and the Congress stalwarts urged Hindus to non-violently alow themselves to be slaughtered and raped [and even such statements do not make these Congress stalwarts loonies] - the current Indian state will be expected by the majority community to be simply not there/absent/reluctant as and when Muslim loonies strike in ever larger numbers and in more organized manner. In fact the Muslim loonies may even combine some astute political gestures designed to help the proclivities and hidden urges of the regime in control of the rashtra.

In that vacuum, who can completely rule out the relevance of the RSS as a potential, perhaps a token and not substantial, but still a hope of resistance and security of life and honour for the majority community?

The current rashtra will do everything to support and protect - by default, by non-action, by reluctance - Muslim or Christian loonies as and when they begin to expand their imperialist and genocidal plans on India, and will not protect the Hindus, the Sikhs or the Buddhists when it comes to aggression from Muslim or Christian loonies. Should we see the attack on the RSS fromn this viewpoint as that it is being driven by the realization of such a psychological positive feed back for the majority community? That the non-Muslim or the non-Christian should be left completely stripped of even an alternative or back-up security apparatus?

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 14 Jan 2011 19:21

Viv S wrote:The NE states are under the AFSPA, so the MI CAN arrest/detain suspects independently there. Any other place, it needs to be related to its operations elsewhere, and it needs coordinate with the civil authorities with the police carrying out the actual arrest. The MI does NOT have the authority to carry out an independent intelligence operation in the hinterland. Only the IB or state intelligence can legally do so. Bottomline, there is no way in hell Purohit's activities had any official sanction whatsoever.

Arrests and interrogations were done in Kolkatta- West bengal which is not under AFSPA.

Agencies are not allowed to leak matter of investigations to the media but they do so evrytime, legality gayi bhaad mein

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 14 Jan 2011 19:38

Brihaspatiji,

I dont want to take this thread OT by harping on RSS, but you create a story that is positively scary (ad thankfully not true)..

So according to you, there is a "war" going on between hindus and muslims, with a large fifth column within the hindu community (elites who have an urge to be accepted et al)...And in this war, RSS is the bulwark of hindu protection...

Keep aside the fact that a republical citizenship cannot be based on vigilante groups carrying out state mandates..Most people, at least the (predominantly hindu) middle class, dont seem to share your idea...How many RSS members have you seen in an Indian university? In my time, not so long ago - there wasnt a single RSS member in the student ranks of India's elite schools..Though many of us were right wingers - staunchly supportive of the BOMB, a hard stance on Kashmir et al...In the ranks of the Indian professional workforce, how many RSS members do you see? I havent come across a single one in a decade...Theories on cow protection, cow urine, swadeshi dont jell with an iphone generation...

But RSS is not necessarily a threat to anyone, at least not yet (till anything is proven) - its ideology is a threat to itself, which is not necessarily a bad thing..But unfortunately, the RSS tutelage is preventing the BJP from developing into a truly right wing alternative force...

Coming back to your version of "clash of civilisations", sir, I repeat what MJ Akbar says - the Indian middle class has recognised that prosperity and civil strife dont go hand in hand...Every where you see in India's heartland, its the same message...

I wouldnt delve on your assertions about RSS's pre-independence role, which (IMO) is mostly counter factual as it woudl make this thread way OT...

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 14 Jan 2011 19:42

negi wrote:Sanku maharaj the RSS is being used to put down the right wing because the latter has not yet distanced itself from the former. RSS is a dinosaur it's take on nationalism is both shrill and reeks off unnecessary tokenism, they have brought such a bad name to themselves that their mere association with a cause is enough to compromise it .

Raghavendra if that makes you sleep well at night, so be it. , btw on a serious note honestly how many of us in real life would like to be associated with RSS (lets ignore this internet rakshaking for a while) ? I know for a fact that in corporate India people would be wary of recruiting anyone who has an allegiance to RSS as a matter of fact after Col. Purohit's episode stern instructions have gone out to everyone in fauj to stay clear of these guys. For an organization to make a foothold amongst the masses just having a noble cause and high ideals is not enough for the public opinion is greatly influenced by the intelligentsia and the media and these guys must be doing something horribly wrong to always end up on the wrong side of the latter.

Russell Peters says it better but here is my attempt - "Someone is a Ch***a here, i know who it is, i think you know who it is". This RSS bashing though fashionable is not for individuals without the intellectual wherewithal to find suitably descriptive and relevant words beyond ch***a. There are some individuals such as Koenraad Elst whose criticism is both valid and constructive, but Negi sahib, you seem to be woefully underequipped to take on such a task. Please continue your internet jingo giri or maybe attend a shakha for a few months and find out what RSS is.

Measure the performance/ value of RSS against its own stated objectives and methods, not against what is palatable or fashionable to you.

negi · Post by **negi** » 14 Jan 2011 20:07

Now now ManjaM you and others have taken things personally

for time being ignore the 'adjective' what I have stated about RSS it's ways and the way it is perceived by a common man in general is true i.e. it's noble intentions not withstanding it's ways are archaic and take on issues in general shrill , I do not wish to go on and on about this but let me keep it straight and simple imho if an organization that claims to fight for the cause of the 'Majority' community (so called Hindus) cannot even make a place for itself in the hearts of the latter then it needs to do a serious introspection; now who is to be blamed for the present situation is a moot point (hence my use of the word 'ch***ia' and let me clarify for people who use it often; it is used to refer to one being 'stupid'/'foolish')