Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr 2014

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Jun 2014 18:50

^^^ Pakistani version of "Stand Your Ground" law?!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Jun 2014 18:51

shiv wrote:
SSridhar wrote: Unfortunately, the above article is not 'comment'able.
Sridhar. It is. I have commented - pending moderation by some phool

BRFers, pliss to use the up-down voting buttons on the existing comments on MSA's article, even if you don't want to put in a comment of your own.
Repeating the link here for your convenience:
http://www.thehindu.com/features/magazi ... 158040.ece

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 29 Jun 2014 18:52

It is like in Afghanistan, they will open their cards after the Zarb-Shorba operation ends in Waziristan. As of now they will lie low, wait for the dust to settle down and launch their reposte in a city east of the of the Indus.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jun 2014 19:00

Yup my comment is in as "benne"

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jun 2014 19:29

A_Gupta wrote:
shiv wrote:Whatever I might feel about the fakeness of the Waziristan operation "Nazb-e-zamzam" or "Zub--e-Nusbaum" whatever it looks like the Talibs have been cowed into submission apart from a minor leg-bye at Peshawar airport. If Amoebas are the most lethal things going on in shitistan, what are the martial races coming to?
Points to Army-Taliban coordination, does it not? The Waziristani Taliban are meant for Afghan operations, who knows which faction did the Karachi airport attack; but by definition, they are not in Waziristan. Army needs artillery practice and can't do that in Karachi.

Definitely. The more I think about it, the more it appears that the Pakistani army has become so Islamized that no "final action" against the Taliban is possible. The Pakistani army is simply not in the business of "protection" of a Pakistani population from a Taliban whose views about the primacy of Islam are no different from the Jamaat ud dawa or Lashkar e Jhangvi - both of which have popular support in Pakistan. They are all shades of deep green and the points of contest or controversy are not great unless you hold a western liberal viewpoint.

Of course what that means is that Pakistan's nukes are already in the hands of Islamists. You heard it here first. It will take 5 to 6 years for this fact to sink in among US and western "foreign policy" experts. Those weapons, always primarily aimed at India can conceivably be used against anyone else who stands agains the brand of Islam that 50% of the Pakistani army cadre, a large percentage of the Paki population and much of the Taliban stand for.

Furthermore - if you look at this issue from a Pakistani standpoint - in that the US is forcing two groups of Pakistan to fight each other and is furiously funding the Paki army despite the army quite candidly working against US interests, the options open to Pakist are as follows

1. Make the Taliban moderate. Since the Taliban are Muslims and they cannot be "moderated" - this option is not on
2. Get into permanent conflict with the Taliban with US assistance. The US wants this, but for Pakistan this is a disaster
3. Become Islamized and agree with the Taliban. They are not really that bad. They are just Muslims, fellow Muslims at that and balls to the US.

The choice for Pakistan should be a no brainer.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 29 Jun 2014 20:00

Guru-jan
Just hope the MSA article is not start of the countdown to some event that ISI would have planned to welcome Namo.
I am also reminded of "there will be tremendous backlash if Modi is elected" statement that a commie friend of mine stated. This was more to do with the dreams of these anti-nationals to see anarchy. Not to forget the academia in California are ready with the template to manage armed conflicts in India.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 29 Jun 2014 20:46

anupmisra wrote:Meanwhile, away from MSA's laughable comparisons of two worldly events, and back at the funny farm, here's what Im the Dim Khan had to say recently. Khaniyat. Immy for PM.

http://i61.tinypic.com/2a7zrli.jpg

"...Now let me climb up this platform to better explain. Oopps! "

-M

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 29 Jun 2014 21:24

shiv wrote:
svinayak wrote: Anybody seen this movie.
TSP army is made a mockery!

Underwear made of Khans flag worn by PA soldiers!
Entire movie here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opAR45fJJ_E

Wasn't that funny, nearly unwatchable and brainless , like kabul express. Though probably captures prevailing punjabi-delhi-centric view of TSPA. All morally == and wrongly-separated birathers onlee.

Hate to say it but the paki who made tere bin laden has slightly more talent than this fool.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 29 Jun 2014 21:50

I am halfway through watching the movie.
One thing strikes me - A very subtle form of 'they are just like us' going on,what with the college kids chatting online and the likes.
Aman ki Asha crowd would be very proud of this movie

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 29 Jun 2014 22:15

http://tribune.com.pk/story/727921/indi ... an-groove/
India's Pakistan groove.

I don't think this person realises he is Pakistani.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 30 Jun 2014 01:09

Major boost to Paki H&D by Sri Lanka

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 423753.cms
Sri Lanka shuts terror door on Pakistan

NEW DELHI: Sri Lanka has banned visas on arrival for Pakistanis after investigations showed that jihadist groups targeting India were using Sri Lanka as a transit point. Lanka is also one of the few countries that extended such a facility to Pakistani nationals.

A bomb blast in a Chennai train in May revealed new plots against India by Pakistan-based jihadist groups using Sri Lanka and Maldives as transit points. A multinational investigation including Malaysia zeroed in on a Lankan national, Shakir Hussain, who confessed that he had visited India over 20 times on reconnaissance trips.
Modi, in his first conversations with Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa, had raised this issue which he said was of particular sensitivity to India. On his return, Rajapaksa is believed to have launched an investigation. The results of the probe have contributed to the decision.

In a related development, Sri lankan authorities have been rounding up Pakistani asylum seekers — almost 1,500 of them will be deported back to Pakistan. This has invited sharp criticism from human rights activists and the UN, because many of them are Ahmadiyas (a banned sect in Pakistan) and Shia Muslims.

The Pakistani foreign office has also been informed that its nationals would henceforth need pre-departure visas to travel to Sri Lanka. The Lankan government probe revealed that many Pakistanis are arriving as tourists by taking advantage of easy visas on "electronic travel authorization" but staying on as "refugees". In 2013, the UNHRC recorded almost 1,500 Pakistani asylum seekers. Lanka has now decided to deport all Pakistanis who have overstayed their visas.

While Indians have traditionally focused on north India as points of infiltration by Pakistan-supported elements, south India poses a particular danger.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 30 Jun 2014 05:37

Thanks for the movie reviews folks. No wonder it is available free. I was unable to make it past the first 10 minutes with that stuipd bhai bhai drinking and card playing.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 30 Jun 2014 06:14

OT: All recent "Bally-Wood" movies are unwatchable coz everyone in there is a wannabe, and I am talking about everyone including the likes of SRK. They are either wannabe "mughals", or wannabe white-man. There is no third alternative in any major BallyWood movie. It is infested with the same clowns having the same disease that infests the DIE, infact it is a mirror of the DIE and the movies reek of disgusting elitism most of the time.

The Baki influx into Bally-Wood is a perfect example of DIE thinking of Baki == Indian. What they are really saying is "DIE==RAPE". That statement maybe true most of the time, their brotherhood comes from self-hatred and an assumed sense of superiority. The Bakis assume that they are superior than SDREs , including the ones that are involved in Track-II or BallyWood or A-Monkey-Asha. They also hate the ajlafs. The DIE assume that they are better than the unwashed, casteist, superstitious and destitute Yindoo masses. They both hate the fact that they are not a gora admi born in the bowels of Londonistan. The emphasis on "fine writing in English" is a hallmark of that gora-slave mentality. MSAs recent farticle is an example, very good yingleesh and knowledge of Oiropeean history, which is as relevant to an Indian as bicycle is to a fish, but that article is as logically hollow as they come.

The rest of India (non-DIE folks) give a rats-musharraf on whether Bakis live or die, let alone be their "==", but they dont have the power of media behind them. Bakis of course will stay baki even though they come to Bally-Wood and act as entitled SOBs that they think they are, because they think that "they should rule" India. Our elites will then show their big hearts and treat them like a scorned younger brother, all in the name of "==".

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 Jun 2014 06:26

India-Pak to discuss fresh timeline for trade liberalization - PTI, ToI

OK, the Modi government wants to experience perfidy first hand.

Minister for commerce and industry Nirmala Sitharaman will meet her Pakistani counterpart Khurram Dastgir Khan for the first time next month to discuss a fresh roadmap for removing bottlenecks in liberalization of bilateral trade.
The meeting between Sitharaman and Khan will take place on the sidelines of SAFTA ministerial council in Bhutan on July 24.

"I will meet the Indian state minister for commerce for resumption of bilateral trade talks," Khan was quoted as saying.

It will be first high level trade interaction since the BJP came to power.

An official of commerce ministry told PTI that trade liberalization will be on the top of the agenda when the commerce ministers meet.

"We missed an early deadline of December 31, 2012 to remove all hurdles in the trade relations.{Huh, what is this 'we' business?} Now the two governments will try to agree on fresh roadmap for it," he said.

He said India should address concerns of business community in Pakistan regarding non-tariff barriers and other issues which could impact export after trade liberalization.{Pakistan is going back to square one by reviving the old tune. The earlier trade negotiations had gone well past that point}

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 30 Jun 2014 06:41

LeT, JuD trying to acquire WMDs, claims book

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Jun 2014 07:57

Comment posted at an unmentionable forum:

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arun · Post by **arun** » 30 Jun 2014 08:22

sanjaykumar wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/727921/indi ... an-groove/
India's Pakistan groove.

I don't think this person realises he is Pakistani.

Many robust comments by Indian's trashing the article

arun · Post by **arun** » 30 Jun 2014 08:23

SSridhar wrote:India-Pak to discuss fresh timeline for trade liberalization - PTI, ToI

OK, the Modi government wants to experience perfidy first hand. ]{Snipped}.................

Speaking of trade ..............

A week old.

India’s status in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s trade basket based on official figures which I presume to mean excludes a guesstimated portion of the Islamic Republic’s trade with Dubai which is assumed as having originated in India:

Based India is today Pakistan’s eleventh largest trading partner. In terms of imports to Pakistan, India is Pakistan’s seventh largest source for imports. This figure is even more interesting since, of the largest exporters to Pakistan, three are oil-exporting countries (Saudi Arabia, UAE and Kuwait) and Malaysia, which exports mainly palm oil to Pakistan. Despite hostilities, wars and diplomatic breakdowns, the difficulties with visas and restricted communication between the two countries, Pakistan imported (based only on official figures, one must emphasise, which are perhaps 60 percent of actual volume) more from India than it did in from France, Canada, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Turkey, Iran or even Thailand. Pakistan imports from India about the same value as it does from Japan. Prior to the 2008 Mumbai attacks, India was Pakistan’s fourth largest source for non-oil imports – an amazing state given the political relations between the two countries.

Read it all :

The importance of trade with India

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 30 Jun 2014 08:55

LokeshC wrote: The Baki influx into Bally-Wood is a perfect example of DIE thinking of Baki == Indian.

Lokesh if this was America it would be called "Free market choice" or some such thing. Bollywood makes a whole lot of money from expatriates in the gulf - not just from India. And some money is made indirectly from rich Pakis as well. Bollywood balances patriotism with their income - which is why there are so many Arabic sounding songs and pseudosecular themes.

While it is OK to bash Bollywood for its pseudopatriotism we really don't know how much Indian pharma and automobile spare parts and other companies are making out of Pakistan. Indian business houses that have interests in the Gulf probably find Bollywood an ally and they probably have functions featuring Bollywood stars as freebies to promote business interests.

The "bottom line" always makes people think differently. Whoda thunk that the land of marathas would give reservation for Muslims along with marathas. If it gets me elected and makes my wallet fatter I like it. That is democracy and capitalism isn't it? As long as Bollywood is not overtly anti-national or unashamedly stupid like Mani Shankar Aiyer, it may be best to ignore it. I doubt if jingoism is going to get rampant in Bollywood.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 30 Jun 2014 09:05

abhishek_sharma wrote:LeT, JuD trying to acquire WMDs, claims book

“The JuD believes it is likely to acquire access to nuclear technology by not going against the Pakistani State. It may come sooner than we con imagine given the JuD’s ability to realise its plans systematically and cool headedly,”

This is correct. The author is saying what has been occurring to me in recent days. The Pakistani army, JuD and LeT are getting ideologically closer - with Pakistan's "Army Two" of pious jihad pasand Muslims being the government paid functionaries as opposed to "private parties" like JuD.

But it is misleading to think that LeT/JuD will acquire nukes separate from the Pakistan army. Their acquisition of nuclear weapons will be by coopting the Pakistan army and filling up the Pakistani army with JuD/LeT and Taliban sympathizers.

Like I said - it will be 6 to 7 years (around 2020 to 21) before the US starts admitting that Jihadis have nukes in Pakistan

As far as India is concerned, we must be ready for nuclear war. India may get hit by a few nukes, but we must be ready to nuke the shit out of Pakistan. The situation is too serious for any lesser plans.

Will cross post in the deterrence thread

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 30 Jun 2014 09:23

That was a LoL comment on Chaudhry's Tribune article of "Track II" feat

Afghanistan is not a Lesotho, that is completely landlocked and surrounded by a single country namely South Africa. Afghanistan does share borders with other countries besides Pakistan. India can and does access Afghanistan via these other countries, Iran being foremost among them. Thus Pakistan has no ability to prevent India having access to Afghanistan. Pakistan only has the ability to make it more comfortable for Indian access. Pakistan’s recalcitrance on this count is a hardship that India can indefinitely endure. What that means is Pakistan can disabuse itself of the flawed notion it holds something of great value to India that can be traded.

In sum, The Air Vice marshal’s comment reminds me of a rather plain looking girl in the mohalla who puts on laughable airs having convinced herself that she was Katrina Kaif and all lusted after her.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Jun 2014 09:44

They should have hit harder and say Ayesha and not Katrina.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 30 Jun 2014 10:35

shiv wrote:
“The JuD believes it is likely to acquire access to nuclear technology by not going against the Pakistani State. It may come sooner than we con imagine given the JuD’s ability to realise its plans systematically and cool headedly,”
This is correct. The author is saying what has been occurring to me in recent days. The Pakistani army, JuD and LeT are getting ideologically closer - with Pakistan's "Army Two" of pious jihad pasand Muslims being the government paid functionaries as opposed to "private parties" like JuD.

But it is misleading to think that LeT/JuD will acquire nukes separate from the Pakistan army. Their acquisition of nuclear weapons will be by coopting the Pakistan army and filling up the Pakistani army with JuD/LeT and Taliban sympathizers.

What is the need to ACQUIRE nukes? The LeT etc. are the 'Plausible Deniabilty' regiments of the TSPA in mufti. No need to coopt ... It is one and the same. The TSPA would readily supply them when there is a need called for by tactically brilliant plans.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 30 Jun 2014 10:43

If MSA were at receiving end of shariah treatment by the jihadis, i guess, people can wring their hands and say they are unable to interrupt the uninterruptible process!

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 30 Jun 2014 11:07

What does it mean when they say that a terrorist organization like JuD or freedom fighter force like TTP would acquire Nukes.
Is the contention that somewhere Nukes are already in assembled state and they can be picked up on a grocery cart and carted away or that these organizations would acquire Nukes in CBK form and assemble them in some local garage in Lahore or some Paan-Bidi shop in Peshawar using Jinn technology.
This whole premise of terror organizations acquiring nukes is based upon stupid assumptions that nukes somehow are available like SAM or Ghauri missiles and someone can sneak in and steal them.

Those who are expecting some big bang attack on Kahuta and then Nukes getting stolen are in far a big disappointment.
In most likelihood case, these terrorist organizations would acquire nukes by becoming rulers in TSP (or maybe they already are going by the Jehadization of Pak Army) and thus have access to the jewels and the screwdrivers.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 30 Jun 2014 12:36

Anyway, what is the latest score in the Napak army operation genital-e-warts against TTP?

sum · Post by **sum** » 30 Jun 2014 13:16

^^ What happened to all the palaces in Lahore and Isloo being set on fire?

Are the TTP not TFTA mard ke bacche? Only bark, no bite?

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 30 Jun 2014 13:39

arun wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/727921/indi ... an-groove/
India's Pakistan groove.

I don't think this person realises he is Pakistani.
Many robust comments by Indian's trashing the article

Dude let this gem out..

Oh yes, Pakistan too could add subjects of interest in a proposed agenda for engagement, and the Indians might even give Pakistan a hearing on those, but to them what will Tango will but be based on the two or four that are of prime interest to them. You could else dance a Samba for all they care, or a Flamingo if you please.

And was promptly set upon by readers from across the baardar..

@ Maheen – My thoughts exactly. The ‘Flamingo’ wouldn’t be much of a dance – stand in one place with one leg with the other leg bent.

@bbb – We dance the ‘flamenco’ and not the ‘flamingo’ just like we dance the ‘salsa’ and not the ‘sauce’.

//You could else dance a Samba for all they care, or a Flamingo if you please.//
Eeeks Mr Chaudhry, it is Flamenco, not Flamingo. The latter is a bird. The devil is in the details, as they say.

arun · Post by **arun** » 30 Jun 2014 13:57

X Posted from the “Oppression Of Minorities In Pakistan” thread.

Human Rights Watch issues a 62 page report on the topic of Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden Religion motivated sectarian violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan titled "We are the Walking Dead".

HRW Report clearly shows that Mohammaddens of the minority Shia sect of Mohammaddenism will continue paying the bloody price for unwisely supporting the formation of a country, namely the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, as a supposed safe haven for the adherents of that religion residing on the Indian Sub-Continent.

Further HRW Report does nothing to buttress the claim by followers of Mohammaddenism that their Religion is “The Religion Of Peace”.

Reading the HRW report also made me realise that I had over the past five years come across no such similar instances of internecine killings in other religious groups such as Buddhists, Christists, Hindus, Jains or Jews over issues of interpretation of religion anywhere in the world. Can anyone point out if I am mistaken by pointing out cases over the past five years anywhere in the world, of Hinayana Buddhists killing Mahayana Buddhists or vice versa, or Catholic Christists killing Protestant Christists or vice versa, or Shivite Hindus killing Vaishnavite Hindus or vice versa, or Digamber Jains killing Shwetamber Jains or vice versa, or Ashkanazie Jews killing Sephardic Jews or Vice versa; all over differences of interpretation of their respective religions? Or is it that the Mohammaddenism is somehow a special lone case among the world’s religions when it comes to the matter of killing co-religionists over interpretation of own religion?

Full HRW Report is here:

We Are The Walking Dead

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 30 Jun 2014 16:38

Mahendra wrote:Anyway, what is the latest score in the Napak army operation genital-e-warts against TTP?

The latest on nazb-e zamzam
http://www.outlookindia.com/news/articl ... ion/847253

The ground offensive was still not launched despite the fact that most civilians had already fled.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 30 Jun 2014 16:46

^ Why would lesser shade of green declare offensive on darker shade of green and be banished to eternal fires of Hell ?

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 30 Jun 2014 18:02

shiv wrote:Thanks for the movie reviews folks. No wonder it is available free. I was unable to make it past the first 10 minutes with that stuipd bhai bhai drinking and card playing.

Apologies for the OT (or CT

), but come to think of it, amongst the events leading upto the previous general elections were a few movies

1. Youngistan - A young man becomes the PM and changes the country for the good
2. Chennai Express - Key dialogue: Blah blah ...power of the Common Man
3. Jai Ho (Salman Khan) - More emphasis on the power of common man, esp in the promotions

It may just be a CT, or there might be more such movies that have slipped under the radar. But if true, Bollywood did indeed attempt more subtle psy ops in the run up, knowingly or unknowingly

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 30 Jun 2014 20:26

http://www.dawn.com/news/1116115/kayani ... -operation

A former Pakistan Army spokesperson has revealed that former army chief Gen (retd) Ashfaq Pervez Kayani was reluctant to launch a major military offensive against Taliban militants in North Waziristan despite the military leadership's decision three years ago.

Speaking during an interview with BBC Urdu published on Monday, former DG Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Maj Gen (retd) Athar Abbas said that the military leadership of the country was in favour of launching the military offensive in 2010, however, it could not have been launched due to the indecision of Gen Kayani.

He said dealing with Haqqani Network was one of the reasons for the delay, adding that there was another issue of internally displaced persons (IDPs).

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 30 Jun 2014 20:35

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/ratio ... 140630.htm

13-member delegation led by former petroleum minister Mani Shankar Aiyar, visited Pakistan to attend the first Pakistan-India bilateral dialogue in Islamabad on June 14. Other members of the delegation included Salman Khurshid, former external affairs minister of India, Ambassador N N Jha, Dileep Padgaonkar, Siddharth Varadarajan, Sanjeev Ahluwalia, Anil Padmanabhan, Dr Ved Pratap Vaidik, Sudheendra Kulkarni, Dr Zoya Hasan, Barkha Dutt, Amit Baruah and Aakar Patel.

It is also recommended that, in order to further strengthen the linkages in various fields, India should open a consulate in Karachi and Pakistan should do likewise in Mumbai. As promised by the Indian government in the late seventies, Jinnah House in Mumbai should be handed over to Pakistan to open its consular office there.

The cheek.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 30 Jun 2014 20:53

Just wait for Barkha to declare that both India and Pakistan violated each other's sovereignty in Kargil, Mujahideen attacked us and hawkish elements of both armies are the ones who got us into the war.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 30 Jun 2014 21:21

Anujan wrote:Just wait for Barkha to declare that both India and Pakistan violated each other's sovereignty in Kargil, Mujahideen attacked us and hawkish elements of both armies are the ones who got us into the war.

Someone needs to point out to people like Darkha and Mani Shankar Aiyer that just because they have a whole lot of personal friends who host and toast them - that cannot be a basis for national policy, ignoring all the other negatives.

The friendship between Yahya Khan and Nixon dictated US foreign policy. It is frightening that personal opinions often score over facts with biased and underinformed people reaching positions of great power in politics and the media.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 30 Jun 2014 21:37

I might have missed them, but typically such "state visits" involve tweets about lahore food, Im the Dim interviews etc. This time it seems like some SF level injection and extraction. Methinks the whole effort was an exercise in embarrassment,mainly due to Govt change, inspite of the grand sounding declarations.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 30 Jun 2014 21:38

MSA forgets that it wasnt Mumbai which caused a chill in India-Pak relationship, it was Kargil. Prior to Kargil, India had made a sincere attempt at normalization, announced CBMs like relaxed visa norms and had agreed to a framework for compromise on JK (the same borders are irrelevant crap that Mushy touted later). What did India get in return? Kargil.

"Nawaz didnt know" was total nonsense. Several people have corroborated that he knew and wanted either Pak army to capture JK outright or get him leverage for subsequent negotiations about JK. That was the biggest betrayal.

The decade between Kargil and Mumbai, even after 9/11 and subsequent Unkil's attempt at forced friendship between India and Pakistan, there was very little movement in normalization of relationship and finally when things started to look up, due to mutually declared ceasefire along LoC, border fencing and dropoff in JK terrorism (which by the way was because Pakistani jihadi machinery was directed towards Afghanistan and the fencing and patrolling by Indians and not due to any policy change by Pakistan) Mumbai happened. It was merely the last straw. And oh, Parliament attack happened in between. So did Akshardam attack, massive attack on Mumbai trains just to name a few. People forget that more people died and were injured in Mumbai train attacks than during the 2008 mumbai attack.

Equating the two big setbacks in normalization of relationship between India and Pakistan: Kargil and Mumbai with a lone terrorist who caused WW1 is stupid at best and mischievous at worst. Kargil had full political and military backing. It was a military act of war. Entire Northern Flight Infantry was attacking India (by that measure, WW1 had already happened. Anyone notice the parallels between trench warfare of WW1 and dug in positions in Kargil? Thank god for the invention of artillery and air power else we would have lost as much as WW1 to take back the dug in positions.) and that happened due to Musharraf's orders and under Nawaz Sharif's tacit approval. Mumbai again was a planned operation which probably Zardari didnt know anything about, but had the full support of the ISI and assistance of Pakistan Navy. So viewing Kasab as "lone gunman" is idiocy (by the way he wasnt "lone" he had lot of friends who had to be killed after much bravery and sacrifice).

Kasab is merely a manifestation of Pakistan's policy of hostility and terror against India. If MSA really wanted peace between India and Pakistan and if had any brain cells left, he would see that the best way to ensure uninterrupted and uninterruptible dialog is prompt prosecution and punishment by Pakistan of everyone involved in Mumbai attacks. Thats how "moderates can be strengthened" in India, because after the next terror attack there will be a constituency in India who will argue that the state machinery of Pakistan did not support the attack and it is in our benefit to let them arrest and prosecute people who did so. Instead "lets all forget Mumbai and hug each other tight" is the approach that is most likely to lead to war next time a terror attack happens.

But everyone here knows prosecution of Mumbai attackers aint happening any time soon.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 30 Jun 2014 21:59

Who pays for such Chai-Biscoot of these bandicoots ?
Such people dont travel cheap for sure nor are they going to spend from their own pockets.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 30 Jun 2014 22:21

shiv wrote:
Mahendra wrote:Anyway, what is the latest score in the Napak army operation genital-e-warts against TTP?
The latest on nazb-e zamzam
http://www.outlookindia.com/news/articl ... /847253The ground offensive was still not launched despite the fact that most civilians had already fled.

Kuffar dont understand Pakinglish spoken in Pisshourly accent.
Rawheel said Go-around offensive in Waaziriistan and G-Round offensive in Lahore.