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RajeshA wrote:
If in India it is criminalized, say through Section 377 or otherwise is considered a social no-go, then crypto-homosexuals in politics and administration in India can be blackmailed, and that is a national security risk.

Yes good point.
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The whole AAP seem to capture youth votes and more important imagination of youth. As corporate culture experience increases, youth may want to deal with it primarily ie middle class mentality .

So how does it benefits Ford is to be seen. This may keep youth busy but tech lead stays outside the country.
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Can't disclose Modi-Vajpayee letters during Gujarat riots, says PM's Office

All India | Press Trust of India | Updated: December 15, 2013 17:34 IST

Former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee (R) speaks to reporters in the Akahardham temple complex in Gandhinagar as Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi (L) looks on (25 September, 2002)
New Delhi: The Prime Minister's Office has refused to disclose communication exchanged between former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Chief Minister Narendra Modi during the 2002 Gujarat riots.

Responding to an RTI application, the Prime Minister's Office cited section 8(1)(h) of transparency, which exempts information that would impede the process of investigation or apprehension or prosecution of offenders.

The response raises questions whether the communication between Mr Modi and then Prime Minister Vajpayee carried any information related to rioters or people behind the pogrom.

The RTI applicant had sought copy of all communications exchanged between the PMO and the Gujarat government between February 27, 2002 and April 30, 2002 on the law and order situation in the state.

The applicant had also sought copy of the communication exchanged between Mr Vajpayee and Mr Modi during that period which saw tense atmosphere in the state.

While refusing disclosure of information, the country's top office did not give any reasons as to how disclosure of information would attract section 8(1)(h) even though Delhi High Court has made it clear that cogent reasons be given while denying information under the clause.

"It is apparent that the mere existence of an investigation process cannot be a ground for refusal of the information; the authority withholding information must show satisfactory reasons as to why the release of such information would hamper the investigation process.

"Such reasons should be germane, and the opinion of the process being hampered should be reasonable and based on some material. Sans this consideration, Section 8(1)(h) and other such provisions would become the haven for dodging demands for information," Justice Ravindra Bhat had held.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/can-t ... topstories
He doesn't want to release them because it will severely damage the credibility of the cottage industry centered around defaming Modi. :mrgreen:
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Cant the same be sought from the Gj CMs office. Why get from PMO.
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sunnyP wrote:
RajeshA wrote:
If in India it is criminalized, say through Section 377 or otherwise is considered a social no-go, then crypto-homosexuals in politics and administration in India can be blackmailed, and that is a national security risk.

Yes good point.
Is that the reason why pappu wants it to be repealed and bjp opposing? :idea:
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Hari Seldon wrote:NM is breathing fire in the dehra doon rally... boy o boy... simhasan doley onlee... http://yuva4india.tv/

whoa... hard hitting man... chappan ki chaati... can see why sagareekaah was compulsively obsessed onlee... vande mataram happened too :)
sorry to nitpick, but the site and video look amateurish for a BJP youth initiative--surely they can do a more professional job. These things matter.
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sunnyP wrote:
anmol wrote::eek:
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Stanley Wolpert, the American author, claimed in his book that Nehru had several homo' encounters during his early years, first as a boy in Allahabad, then at Harrow, followed by Cambridge and even later. Maybe this is what the tweet is alluding to. Don't know about the rest.
Wolpert is a paid Historian of Napakistan. He has received numerous awards from them. Enough to doubt his credibility.
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Paul wrote:
Wolpert is a paid Historian of Napakistan. He has received numerous awards from them. Enough to doubt his credibility.
Wolpert's book on Jinnah is very good. Not pro-paki/anti-India at all.
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http://newsinsight.net/Theconspiracy.aspx#page=page-1
The scale of the criminality of the United Progressive Alliance means they are unlikely to escape judicial sanction when they lose power. Knowledge of their financial crimes is largely in the public realm, but suspected acts of treason by prominent individuals are another matter and remain unexposed. The public clamour for judicial investigation and retribution for their criminality will become irresistible when they are unable to thwart the courts by misusing political power. This is the motive for the Congress party seeking to hobble Narendra Modi with the fewest possible Lok Sabha seats. It will ostensibly make him dependent on parliamentary allies against whom the United Progressive Alliance already possesses compromising material, forcing them to demand his forbearance. They appear to have nothing of consequence on Mamata Banerjee, whose support Modi cannot presume, but they almost certainly have enough on one other regional leader on whom Modi’s political survival in Parliament may depend.
The pompous Mani Shankar Aiyar’s toe-curling fawning in a recent interview revealed him as the utter reprobate he is, all the specious repartee notwithstanding. Yet he and his venal ilk must know that they will not be so much as permitted to enter any Lake Como luxurious villa or mansion in London’s billionaire row, Kensington Palace Gardens, which their principals may acquire to flee with their ill-gotten wealth. The local detritus will be left to ponder why life’s certainties turn out to be so much sand in a human fist.
The moment a new government comes to power in 2014, one entire floor of a five-star Delhi hotel, occupied by enigmatic foreigners, may be raided, although it is more than likely that it will be vacated before the election results are announced. These foreigners are local controllers of a number of North Atlantic Treaty Organization countries, straining to prevent Narendra Modi from ejecting their Indian nominees from political power in Delhi. There are good reasons to believe that they were involved in the attempt to assassinate Narendra Modi at the recent Bihar rally, because these countries retain intimate ties with jihadi groups worldwide. This is known from their role in facilitating terrorist outrages in Chechnya and from the presence of Pakistani Taliban trainers in Syria, who are assisting the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to overthrow president Bashar al-Assad.

These imperialist powers are finding it intolerable that Narendra Modi will wish to restore India’s once jealously defended autonomy, and he will doubtlessly begin by snapping their insidious links with the establishment facilitated by the predecessor regime. This is why elections to the Lok Sabha in 2014 will be the moment of India’s rebirth, equal in significance to the transfer of power in 1947. One of the first tasks of a new government will have to be to appoint a high-powered judicial commission to examine the gross acts of illegality committed by the United Progressive Alliance, not least attempts to frame political opponents, as well as examine evidence of high treason.
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sunnyP wrote:
RajeshA wrote:
If in India it is criminalized, say through Section 377 or otherwise is considered a social no-go, then crypto-homosexuals in politics and administration in India can be blackmailed, and that is a national security risk.

Yes good point.
They are already compromised and subject to blackmail because of their loot stashed in Swiss bank and other offshore bank accounts.
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Nice turnout in Guwahati and also in other parts of Assam. Modi needs to get there asap.
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South and East is where Tiger needs to focus now
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suryag wrote:South and East is where Tiger needs to focus now
This is what I've been saying. This will be a huge blow to the communists and congress.
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The danger in Assam is Badruddin Ajmal's AIUDF with its illegal BD votes which is in the opposition now. If the Assamese Hindu and plains tribe votes can't be consolidated, Ajmal will become CM for a very long time and Assam is finished. One can imagine what will happen to kafirs in a Muslim-ruled Assam. BJP has an outside chance to stem the tide and if it doesn't happen in 2014, I'm afraid its goodbye Assam and with it, the entire Northeast.
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Thanks, Victor-ji. Those links are excellent.

Gen. V. K. Singh is awesome! I would love for him to lead the BJP in Haryana as its chief ministerial candidate.

And R S N Singh is excellent in taking apart the AAP. Wonder which party he is referring to when he says `half the seats were due to manipulation by Naxalites'. Is he referring to E Jogi? Also, which Assembly speaker owes his position to the Naxalites?
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by ashashi
Paul wrote:


Wolpert is a paid Historian of Napakistan. He has received numerous awards from them. Enough to doubt his credibility.


Wolpert's book on Jinnah is very good. Not pro-paki/anti-India at all.
Read it again!! Stanley Wolpert is THE one of the few protectors of the Islamists that you can find!!

He wrote it after he got money from ISI and not before!! very recent!
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Nice turnout in Guwahati and also in other parts of Assam. Modi needs to get there asap.
If Modi can spend a month among the seven eastern states! He will win all the votes!! These neglected areas of India needs to be looked after with much more sincerity and money!!

Where people are proud Dharmics in Meghalaya, Assam, Manipur, Nagaland, Arunachal, Mizorum, Tripura!
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chetak wrote:
kapilrdave wrote:^^ He had earlier tweeted that ABV is a womanizer. He is a very responsible person. May be he is telling the truth. Even Subbu Swami earlier said that ABV had a lot to hide.How does it itch in BC's chaddies ??
ABV himself was proud of the fact that he was bachelor but not "inexperienced". Itis/was no secret at all. Nehru might even have been Trisexual pedro in lovewith himself.
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SBajwa wrote:
by ashashi
Paul wrote:


Wolpert is a paid Historian of Napakistan. He has received numerous awards from them. Enough to doubt his credibility.


Wolpert's book on Jinnah is very good. Not pro-paki/anti-India at all.
Read it again!! Stanley Wolpert is THE one of the few protectors of the Islamists that you can find!!

He wrote it after he got money from ISI and not before!! very recent!
Donno about his other books, but read Jinnah of Pakistan about 15 years ago. Dont remember anything pro-islamist in the book. If I remember correctly, Wolpert was critical of Jinnah for giving the partition the Jihadi flavor.

Can you tell me why you think Wolpert is pro-Islamistic. I will try to buy the book and read it again.
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Stop this discussion gurus. Waste of time.

Modi making CBN part of NDA takes air of the argument that he can not bring allies. KJP, YSRC are already willing to jump in Modi band wagon. I do not see any reason for BJD to oppose NDA in which they were part. Bjp has good votes in Odissa. So more than mafia bjp friendship helps them.
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Reminder: this is NM vs Dynasty's contrasting ideas of India thread.
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Victor wrote:The Security of Aam Aadmi
RSN Singh, former RAW officer rips apart AAP and its jehadi/maoist/western support structure.
Wow, according to this atricle, even Anna's anti-corruption movement was sponsored by Western/NATO interests to deflect attention from illegal money stashed in Swiss bank. Anna, Kejriwal, AAPtards are all anti nationals. Baba Ramdev is the lone national in that movement. The author does not have a view on KBedi though.
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Martha Nussbaum (too) has an opinion on Modi.
Martha Nussbaum: I'm afraid that Modi has always appealed to fear: his campaigns, which I studied in The Clash Within, play on fears of the Muslim minority. There is also an appeal to shame, since the sense was conveyed, at least in pamphlets circulated prior to the 2002 riots [whether with Modi's direct participation or not] that Hindu men have been weak and passive, and are therefore in a shamefully dominated position. They need to learn to stand up for themselves, aggressively if necessary.
Please do read the above words again.
She says Modi has always appealed to fear .
She says MOdi's culpability in pamphlets that were circulated is in doubt .
Both are opinions. Yet somehow she implies MOdi is to blame.
A long time ago BRF discussed Nut-tree. She used the same words for HIndu men - a sense of shame , weak, passive with sexual connotations.
Something is fundamentally wrong with this woman.
And I also think this woman has something to do with blocking Modi from UPenn & also on visa - she must be one of the signatories of the petition.
NOte to self: If Modi comes to power, a letter that will gloat on the fact will be sent to her. Obtuse references to her words in her articles on Modi will of course be there.
As for Congress, that party sometimes appeals to nobler ideals of equality and support for human need [as with the Rural Employment Guarantee and the new Right to Food], but all too often we see a type of "soft Hindutva" playing itself out.
Congress party's sense of equality is limited to loot - all of them are involved one way or the other. There might be a fee exceptions but hey you wouldnt speak of equality if there werent some who are left out wouldya.
And wtf has Hindutva to do with this.?
This woman has a problem with HIndus.
It seems to me no accident that the programmes I admire were both significantly crafted by economist Jean Dreze, who is a true Gandhian and deeply committed to human equality, whereas in other contexts other influences have prevailed. Equally important, there is simply a problem of competence and achievement. It's all very well to have good ideals, but the party has not done well in implementing them.
Wow. She complains about the implementation on an otherwise wonderful scheme? So if with whatever that was implemented , so much damage can be done, I wonder what would happen to us if the whole thing goes 100%.
Moronery reaching ridiculous levels.
One thing I ma happy about - she is a Foreignpolicy expert of USA. MOre like her should be influencing US policy! It is good for us & whole world.
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Yes I had read that piece....Was actually glad in a way, to perceive the abysmally low standards for Philosophy 'gurus' in the US !! Even the liberal arts dodos from India come away looking like geniuses in comparison with this woman - who seems to be nuttier than a fruitcake.

A quasi-Islamist party like the Congress is termed 'soft Hindutva' and the secularism of Modi she wants to cast as hard-core 'Talibanic' Hindoootva... :roll:
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Santosh wrote:
Victor wrote:The Security of Aam Aadmi
RSN Singh, former RAW officer rips apart AAP and its jehadi/maoist/western support structure.
Wow, according to this atricle, even Anna's anti-corruption movement was sponsored by Western/NATO interests to deflect attention from illegal money stashed in Swiss bank. Anna, Kejriwal, AAPtards are all anti nationals. Baba Ramdev is the lone national in that movement. The author does not have a view on KBedi though.
My humble opinion is that Hinduvaadi people and organisations have been penetrated or fooled into a mis-step. A wrong step they would not have taken had they had access to all the information. I am not very confident on everything about BR and Anna. Both are too simple minded and are adamant kind of people who want to tread the path they personally understand and know. Both in the ultimate analysis may turn out to be dharmic but would have difficulties explaining their conduct when looked at from the prism of 'intel' and 'legality'.

These issues have been there from the begining and we are probably fortunate that NaMo campaign may just have avoided this adversity and probably even turned it into an opportunity. Doubts though still remain how things may unfold in future. Anybody who is willing to go to golgol chacha will easily begin to ask the following questions and has a hope of not getting controlled by the vested interests from out of India.

Has AK-47 worked with Aruna Roy who alongwith Harsh Mandar is member of Sonia's unconstitutional body NAC?

Was Binayak Sen on the advisory role with AK-47, not on the planning commission advising health issues? Did the members of European Comission come to India to watch his trials?

Has Yogendra Yadav raised the cry that India is a States-Nation? Does that imply India is not a Nation State? Has he been hobnobbing with congressi controlled pollsters? Has he not asked misleading questions in his opinion polls like 'Who should be ELECTED as CM - Shiela Dixit / Vijay Goel / Arvind Kejriwal'?

Are all these fellows ultra-leftists?

Did Sonia write to govt that AK-47 should not be posted out of Delhi?

Did AK-47 start his overt activist career from Ramdev's platform or did he not?

Did AK-47 approach Anna to lead Janlokpal movement after having not been successful with Murthy and Kalam sahab?

Did they take up Swiss money issue?

Did AK-47 dump Anna?

Were the methods used in Ramlila a replica of Tahrir and other Color Revolutions?

Did Americans get MMRCA deal?

Was there an American ambassador in India for eight months (June 2011 to first week of February 2012)?

Are not AK-47 and Aruna recepients of Magsaysay award, a known front to manage opinion? Are these awards not funded by US?

Did AK-47 say Batla house encounter was false?

Did he meet fundamentalist Tauqeer Raza? Did AK-47 not describe himself as 'Muslamano ki akhari umeed'?

Did Prahant Bhushan say Kashmir should go to Pakistan for which was he thrashed by patriots?

Is Prashant Bhushan one of the main ideologue of AK-47?

Have not all patriots and upright people like Anna & Kiran Bedi fallen out from AK-47? These people were also Magsaysay awardees but do you see these people trying to exhort you to go against Constitutional mechanisms?

Were the Italian tourists Paulo Bosusco and Claudio Colengelo abducted, while trekking in a tribal area of Orissa? Were the exact terms of the release ever made known? Was the wife of Maoist leader Sabyasachi Panda demanded to be released? Was she released during that period or not? Was Mr. Bosusco said to be running an adventure tourism agency in Orissa (report dated 12 April 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17686504)? What happened to that business? Can you trace these guys on the net when these guys were staying for so long in those areas and running businesses?

Have you seen this report and what do you make of it? Do you know what http://www.peuples-solidaires.org/ does?
'Tourists had no Maoist link'
TNN Apr 25, 2012, 01.32AM IST
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PATNA: The national president of Ekta Parishad, P V Rajgopal, said here on Tuesday that the 10 French tourists visiting Bihar on tourist visa were wrongly 'deported' for the alleged violation of visa conditions. He claimed that the French tourists had no Maoist link and they were not in contact with extremists.

In a statement, Rajgopal said the French tourists were members of a French NGO, Peuples Solidaires, which espoused the ideals of Mahatma Gandhi, Vinoba Bhave and Jaya Prakash Narayan and was spreading their message across the world. He said the French tourists were also supporting the Jan Satyagrah Yatra 2012 of Ekta Parishad, which was launched nationwide for land reforms.Rajgopal termed the Union home secretary R K Singh's statement that "French tourists had violated visa rules" as childish. He said the French nationals, including six women, were on tourist visa and so they could visit any district of Bihar. They had come to see the socio-economic condition in Bihar and the much-talked about development perspective of Bihar.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=in
What has avaaz foundation got to do with AAP? Could this be one “Indians For a Strong Jan Lokpal-Sign the petition” https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stand_with_anna_hazare/? What is the link between avaaz.org and moveon.org and Res Publica?

What is the meaning of the following listing in wiki on moveon.org?
Joan Blades and Wes Boyd, the married cofounders of Berkeley Systems. They started by passing around a petition asking Congress to "censure President Clinton and move on", as opposed to impeaching him. The petition, passed around by word of mouth, gathered half a million signatures [10] but did not dissuade Congress from impeaching the President. The couple went on to start similar campaigns calling for arms inspections rather than an invasion of Iraq, reinstatement of lower limits on arsenic and mercury pollution, and campaign finance reform.

Since 1998, MoveOn has raised millions of dollars for many Democratic candidates.[11] In November 2007, a drive spearheaded by MoveOn caused Facebook to change its controversial new "Beacon" program, which notified Facebook users about purchases by people on their friends list.[12] As of 2009, MoveOn had 20 full-time and 20 part-time staffers. As of 2012, MoveOn claims a membership of over 7 million people.
Since the 2000 election cycle, the MoveOn PAC has endorsed and supported the campaigns of candidates, including the 2008 candidacy of then-Senator Barack Obama, presidential candidate, nominee of the Democratic Party.[13]

In 2007, was a co-founder of Avaaz, a similar organization with an international focus.

On February 9, 2012, in preparation for the 2012 elections, MoveOn purchased the domain name
"the99spring.com".[14][15]

Communication methods
The MoveOn.org web site also uses multi-media, including videos, audio downloads, and images. In addition to communicating via the Internet, MoveOn advertises using traditional print and broadcast media, as well as billboards, bus signs, and bumper stickers, digital versions of which are downloadable from its web site. It also contains an area called the "Action Forum", which functions much like a traditional electronic discussion group. The Action Forums acts as a grassroots organization allowing members to propose priorities and strategies.[16]

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Run for unity was a big hit in coastal AP.... Pics from Nellore... The saffronish hue everywhere isunmistakeable. Change is in the air, or so this heart hopes...

http://eenadu.net/Homeinner.aspx?item=break136
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Arjun wrote:Yes I had read that piece....Was actually glad in a way, to perceive the abysmally low standards for Philosophy 'gurus' in the US !! Even the liberal arts dodos from India come away looking like geniuses in comparison with this woman - who seems to be nuttier than a fruitcake.

A quasi-Islamist party like the Congress is termed 'soft Hindutva' and the secularism of Modi she wants to cast as hard-core 'Talibanic' Hindoootva... :roll:
Oh forget the Congress and Modi, if she "admires" economic programs crafted by the Jean Dreze, that itself tells us how nutty she really is.
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saravana wrote:Anna group, Kejriwal group and Congress have brought a monster called Lokpal which will lock the next govt to standstill. Watch how every step of the executive will be thwarted by the sword of lokpal hanging over their heads.
This is the elephant in the room that BJP-fans, Congress-fans, Anna-fans, AK-fans etc do not want to even notice. Or rather, this is the Brontosaur in the room that they dont want notice.

Essentially, BJP-fans want to get Lokpal passed in a way BJP gets maximal credit and Congress\AK\Anna fans get least credit. And same way, each fan-club wants to claim victory and wants to get maximal credit. But none wants to see how much damage this "Lokpal with no RTR-Lokpal" can create on India.

Ever since this Lokpal nonsense started in oct-2010 amongst net-activists, I have raised this question that "what if Lokpals become MNC-agents? what if Lokpals start harassing people in projects of India companies and PSUs and give green light after green light to MNC-owners' companies?". eg Supreme judges gave green light to USA's nuclear energy plant and are blocking all Indian company's projects using flimsiest environment etc excuses. Later I found that Lokpal bill is brought ONLY because of UNCAC i.e. MNC-owners via UN are officially forcing India to bring MNC-pal. The mass movement was just as eye wash to hide the fact that "Lokpal is coming due to UNCAC"

Finally, when Janlokpal tide went too high, I started promoting "Janlokpal draft with Right to Recall Janlokpal clauses" and started opposing Anna's "Janlokpal with NO RTR Janlokpal clauses" . I had limited success.

But ALL existing drafts , except drafts I proposed, are "Lokpals with NO RTR Lokpal" i.e. Lokpal can peacefully become MNC-agents, and happily help MNC-owners take over India for next 5 years. Every officers will be scared of Lokpals. MNC-owners will hire Lokpals' relative lawyers as agents, and these Lokpals' relative lawyers will threaten every neta-babu to do what MNC-owner want. Essentially, "Lokpal with no RTR Lokpal" is just MNC-pal.

Now MNC-owners and Missionaries via MMS will appoint 5-10 of their pet agents such as Santosh Hegde as Lokpals. Pheer raaj karega Lokpal (then Lokpals will rule). Some 50% of PMO will become rubber stamp. So even if Swadeshi, Nationalists and Hinduvaadi get some say in NaMo's PMO, the Lokpals would clip much of the wings. Effectively, MNC-owners will have firm control over PMO and Ministries via Lokpals.

But neta-fans and party-fans couldnt care less. All they want in that their party/neta should get "credit" for Lokpal. They couldnt care less that very basis of "Lokpal with NO RTR Lokpal" goes against national interests.
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Well I agree with you RMji that there has to be RTR for Lokpal.

I also think that there is a fixed match between congoons and sapagoons and they will not pass lokpal . I hope BJP is able to lay the blame on congoons squarely.
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chaanakya wrote:
1. Well I agree with you RMji that there has to be RTR for Lokpal.

2. I also think that there is a fixed match between congoons and sapagoons and they will not pass lokpal . I hope BJP is able to lay the blame on congoons squarely.
1.
  • AWMTA :) , pls see chap-45 of http://rahulmehta.com/301.htm for RTR-Lokpal clauses I have proposed
  • sooner or later one has to believe in God
  • sooner or later one has to use MS-windows
  • soner or later one has to agree with RM a common aka RM the rustic
  • all above statements are equivalent
2. As per UNCAC, we should have passed Lokpal by dec-2012. So sooner of later, MPs will pass Lokpal before this dec end.
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Santosh wrote:
Victor wrote:The Security of Aam Aadmi
RSN Singh, former RAW officer rips apart AAP and its jehadi/maoist/western support structure.
Wow, according to this atricle, even Anna's anti-corruption movement was sponsored by Western/NATO interests to deflect attention from illegal money stashed in Swiss bank. Anna, Kejriwal, AAPtards are all anti nationals. Baba Ramdev is the lone national in that movement. The author does not have a view on KBedi though.
Only Ramdev's movement was brutally squashed, not Anna's. So we know that black money in foreign banks is what the establishment really wants to protect. It is the objective and destination of all the corruption. NaMo also knows that the entire establishment is guilty, not just one party, so is not yet giving full volume to it. Bringing back black money is central to steadying India's financial future and it must be done but only when the center is secure with full control of the armed forces and police.
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So it begins...

>>Press Trust of India ‏@PTI_News 2m
Communal Violence Bill cleared by Union Cabinet: Sources.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Run for unity was a big hit in coastal AP.... Pics from Nellore... The saffronish hue everywhere isunmistakeable. Change is in the air, or so this heart hopes...

http://eenadu.net/Homeinner.aspx?item=break136
Nellore had Jan Sangh MLA Annadatha Madhva Rao before we are born. Nellore graduate MLC always used to be from Jan Sangh. But by 1980 Nellore MP reserved seat gave highest majority for Congress victory in the Nation. More than Indira Gandhi personally.

When she visited Nellore one time during my childhood, I was in Nellore and our servent, a tribal women was carrying me took to see Indira. She was travelling in a open car and took me and kissed me on my cheek. I was a very good looking boy then. :)

I grow up to become a communal fellow though.
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NR ji, we all start sikular and then changed into kommunal.
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So kujliwal wants to run a "Broom Yatra" all across GJ to highlight the "corruption" in the state! After having got a reasonable mandate to govern delhi these clowns dont want to do that and instead want to go after NaMo.

Leads me to conclude that they just want to increase their nuisance value quotient and dont have any desire to practise Governance. In addition to the earlier conclusion that their remit is to slow down NaMO and reduce the mind space he has in the people.

Without underestimating them, the second rung BJP leadership should start picking holes in AAP. NaMo himself doesnt have to say anything against them - that will only increase their visibility.

And when NaMo takes up the PM role he should initiate discreet, if not overt, investigationsi into AAPs funding and obilterate them once and for all.
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Arjun wrote:Yes I had read that piece....Was actually glad in a way, to perceive the abysmally low standards for Philosophy 'gurus' in the US !! Even the liberal arts dodos from India come away looking like geniuses in comparison with this woman - who seems to be nuttier than a fruitcake.

A quasi-Islamist party like the Congress is termed 'soft Hindutva' and the secularism of Modi she wants to cast as hard-core 'Talibanic' Hindoootva... :roll:
I have unfortunately read her book. Among other things, she is obsessed with sex and her idea of sexual aspects of Hindu religion. She is very tight with India's self-styled secular elite like Amartya Sen. She is also very ruthless in crushing dissenting opinions, went about trying to ruin the careers of some Hindu professors in US who criticized her views.

Oh yes, and she also wrote a thoroughly vicious "they deserved it" article right after 26/11.

Hindus deserve to be called "weak and passive" as long as they don't fight back against creatures like this.
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Hari Seldon wrote:So it begins...

>>Press Trust of India ‏@PTI_News 2m
Communal Violence Bill cleared by Union Cabinet: Sources.
This bill even with all the so called modifications from original NAC drafted bill is very dangerous for Dharmics. I started a thread here on that. Time to have a saperate discussion there I think.
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ashashi wrote:
Paul wrote:
Wolpert is a paid Historian of Napakistan. He has received numerous awards from them. Enough to doubt his credibility.
Wolpert's book on Jinnah is very good. Not pro-paki/anti-India at all.
We like so much to put emphasis on "paid". As in paid media, paid historians, etc. That is fine, but money is not necessarily the only motivator for these people.

Too much focus on money could lead to mistakes in thinking and in strategy.
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