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Ambar wrote:I sincerely hope there are more people in higher ups like Air Marshal Shahid Lateef in TPAF/TSPA. The older guy in a safari-suit is the true face of the so called educated,'liberal' Paki ( if there is such a thing!). He starts of his mindless ramblings with quranic quotations, and then thinks 'jeeehardd' is the only way to defeat Americans! And then our good old Air Marshal,the man thinks they should have attacked yanks with their own F-16s in the name of "qurbaniya". I hope more of their serving higher officers in Pindi think on the same lines and decide to take on unkil. Then it is not "qurbani" they are gonna get but "biryani" made out of them!
The last word has not been said. Their shameless country has been reduced to quranic quotations olnee.
“I don’t think that the existence of a terrorist or a separatist movement in Balochistan is fuelled by Indian financing or anything like that,” the US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia, Mr Robert Blake, said.
“I think it’s fuelled by domestic issues that are internal to Pakistan,” he said in his interaction with Defence Writers Group here.
I have a strong hunch that the attackers in Mehran were Kashmiris from our side of LOC. They got inside information/help from a PN officer of Kashmiri origin. And therefore the selection of Orions was India-specific in a cyclical sort of a way.
“I don’t think that the existence of a terrorist or a separatist movement in Balochistan is fuelled by Indian financing or anything like that,” the US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia, Mr Robert Blake, said.
“I think it’s fuelled by domestic issues that are internal to Pakistan,” he said in his interaction with Defence Writers Group here.
IMHO this is a significant statement from a high ranking US official.
Its time the world takes notice of Baloch suffering and helps them be free.
Perhaps we seeing the beginning of end of the entity called Pakistan .
ISLAMABAD: The Asian Development Bank (ADB) on Wednesday formally conveyed to Pakistan that the bank will give $4.5 billion for the construction of Diamer-Bhasha Dam to address the issue of water storage capacity and boost hydropower generation capacity
^^ Not sure whether to believe the SSS story or treat it like a ISI media psy-ops effort( to portray as to how it is uprooting Islamists from force etc)?
Ambar wrote:I sincerely hope there are more people in higher ups like Air Marshal Shahid Lateef in TPAF/TSPA. The older guy in a safari-suit is the true face of the so called educated,'liberal' Paki ( if there is such a thing!). He starts of his mindless ramblings with quranic quotations, and then thinks 'jeeehardd' is the only way to defeat Americans! And then our good old Air Marshal,the man thinks they should have attacked yanks with their own F-16s in the name of "qurbaniya". I hope more of their serving higher officers in Pindi think on the same lines and decide to take on unkil. Then it is not "qurbani" they are gonna get but "biryani" made out of them!
The last word has not been said. Their shameless country has been reduced to quranic quotations olnee.
Wonder who is raping whom? Amrekis or the pakis??
Now where did I read it? Is it the book Deception which mentioned that after Zia, the ISI HQ had officers roaming about in Salwar Kameez?
And now Quranic verses.
Wow! I guess if you learn the Quran completely, then you hold the trump card in the Pakistani Army!Anyone with lesser "qualifications" will be subservient !
sum wrote:^^ Not sure whether to believe the SSS story or treat it like a ISI media psy-ops effort( to portray as to how it is uprooting Islamists from force etc)?
Most definitely, this is the case! More dog and pony show after Pakistanis were caught with their pants down!
sum wrote:^^ Not sure whether to believe the SSS story or treat it like a ISI media psy-ops effort( to portray as to how it is uprooting Islamists from force etc)?
Most definitely, this is the case! More dog and pony show after Pakistanis were caught with their pants down!
Definitely a ISI hit.
The general paki media attempt to drag in India as the " most benefited, so is most likely to have done the job " ploy is so ham handed and amateurish that only paki babus could have thought of it.
I do not recollect seeing this couple of days old article posted on BRF.
Kapil Komireddi argues in Foreign Policy that the “Pakistani state can't be trusted with the world's most deadly weapons”.
Some wise comments in the article:
Pakistan must be made to understand the cost of nuclear warfare. If a single nuclear warhead falls into the wrong hands -- or is pressed into service by the right hands -- there will be no Pakistan. Only denuclearization can now save Pakistan from itself -- and the world from Pakistan.
Some downright unwise comments in the article:
The best way to rid Pakistan of its nuclear arsenal, as the Wall Street Journal's Bret Stephens has argued, is for Washington to offer to buy it. In return, Washington should offer Islamabad trade privileges and security guarantees -- even against India.
Be sure to check out the comments on the articles:
mehran attackers are the classmates of 26/11. Means there exists a shadow force which at times can be defined as non-state, rogue or even ISI. So when Pasha said a "rehersal" is done, he was referring to this force.
I am seriously thinking that tossing up P3-C has more to do than just being replaceable. This mehran episode was supposed to happen anyway. OBL gave them a wonderful opportunity and they cashed in. But why P3?
any ISI gain is US's loss. What has US lost in these P3?
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The reported decision by the army high command that henceforth jihadist preachers would not be allowed to enter cantonment mosques, if true, is a step in the right direction.
The armed forces have also reportedly decided to not allow anymore serving soldiers and officers the special leaves that many were allegedly taking to embark on preaching missions, with some of them wandering off under the pretext to impart military training to whosoever wished to get trained.
The Pakistani government had complained to the US about being unaware of American funding provided directly to the Pakistan military, reveal previously unpublished American diplomatic cables. The reports also disclose tensions between the civilian government and the army over the use funds provided for counterinsurgency operations.
In a November 2009 meeting with former US Ambassador Anne Patterson, then Finance Minister Shaukat Tarin “appealed to the ambassador to keep him informed of funds the US directs to the Pakistani military.
“Promising that he would not reduce the military’s budget based on US assistance flows, Tarin said that the finance ministry needs to be kept aware for overall budgeting purposes. Army Chief of Staff General Kayani does not pass on this information.”
In an earlier meeting in September, “the Ambassador said the USG had purchased $370m in equipment for the military through FY09 Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund (PCCF) supplemental funds. Tarin said he was unaware of this.”
At the time the finance minister added that he “would work to see that the purchases of these items were removed from the army’s capital budget.”
What happened to the sovereignty of the Government of Pakistan when another country directly funds the Army without the government of the day being even aware of that ? What happens to the US rhetoric of supporting democracy when it deals with the PA behind the back of a democratically elected government ?
All this drama of the Abbottabad raid or the drone attacks violating the sovereignty of Pakistan is thus a humbug. Similarly, all the moralistic speeches from the US about supporting democracy in Pakistan are humbug too.
abhijitm wrote:fk fk fk. was these P3s supposed to take their nukes out of pakistan in case of crisis?
If such was indeed the case, the P3's that got burnt would have just been mere empty hulls with all the vital masala removed. Not such a big loss if the mission avionics has all been saved.
The Pakistani government had complained to the US about being unaware of American funding provided directly to the Pakistan military, reveal previously unpublished American diplomatic cables. The reports also disclose tensions between the civilian government and the army over the use funds provided for counterinsurgency operations.
In a November 2009 meeting with former US Ambassador Anne Patterson, then Finance Minister Shaukat Tarin “appealed to the ambassador to keep him informed of funds the US directs to the Pakistani military.
“Promising that he would not reduce the military’s budget based on US assistance flows, Tarin said that the finance ministry needs to be kept aware for overall budgeting purposes. Army Chief of Staff General Kayani does not pass on this information.”
In an earlier meeting in September, “the Ambassador said the USG had purchased $370m in equipment for the military through FY09 Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund (PCCF) supplemental funds. Tarin said he was unaware of this.”
At the time the finance minister added that he “would work to see that the purchases of these items were removed from the army’s capital budget.”
What happened to the sovereignty of the Government of Pakistan when another country directly funds the Army without the government of the day being even aware of that ? What happens to the US rhetoric of supporting democracy when it deals with the PA behind the back of a democratically elected government ?
All this drama of the Abbottabad raid or the drone attacks violating the sovereignty of Pakistan is thus a humbug. Similarly, all the moralistic speeches from the US about supporting democracy in Pakistan are humbug too.
In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan sovereignty is vested solely with those who commit “Jihad in the Path of Allah” or in Urdu “Jihad Fi Sabilillah”. That entity is certainly not the Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan but rather the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
The Pakistani government had complained to the US about being unaware of American funding provided directly to the Pakistan military
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In an earlier meeting in September, “the Ambassador said the USG had purchased $370m in equipment for the military through FY09 Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund (PCCF) supplemental funds. Tarin said he was unaware of this.”
At the time the finance minister added that he “would work to see that the purchases of these items were removed from the army’s capital budget.”
AHa!
That clever cat Kiyani (and his predecessors)
They've been double billing the Government of Pakistan for the freebies that they pick up from the US in the name of assistance from US money.
They pick up these defence equipment from the US's money, and send the bill to the government of pakistan, and the proceeds go directly to credit suisse accounts.
HANGU: The death toll in a powerful suicide blast near District Court of the city, mounted to 19 and 40 other people sustained injuries in the blast on Thursday.
The blast was so powerful that it was heard far and wide. Also, the blast caused damage to nearby buildings and at least 15 shops.
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A_Gupta wrote:Prof. Fair should watch out! Colin Freeze, covering the Rana trial tweeted:
Colinfreeze Colin Freeze
ISI drawn to Headley because he was a white-skinned American citizen who spoke Urdu, Punjabi, Hindi, English. #Ranatrial
"Prof" Fair is likely to be well aware of this (interest in her from ISI). I think she even revels in it. A middle class journalist of average intelligence gets to the walk the corridors of power in a soon to implode nation. What else can she hope for (besides a great tell-all book). Refer to all those fireside chats with top ranking current and ex generals of the pak fauj and those TV interviews in Erdoo. She even pretends to be demure-looking, respectful and all. That's reverse takkiya on the masters of takkiya (am I spelling it right?).
SSridhar wrote:What happened to the sovereignty of the Government of Pakistan when another country directly funds the Army without the government of the day being even aware of that ?
Juts like the good tellibunnies and the bad tellibunnies, there's the good loss of sovirginity (full of momentary pleasure) and the bad loss of sovirginity (pain and after effects of lifetime of suffering). Pakis go through both losses concurrently on a daily basis. It all depends on who is screaming (for "more" or "no more").
Pakistan's ruling elite believes that America, terrified by the potential cost of dealing with nuclear Pakistan's failure, will always pay the price for its survival. It's an extraordinary pattern: Pakistan commits a crime, threatens instability, evades prosecution, and receives a bribe. But it cannot be sustained.
This shows that TSPA on the whole is a non-state actor. What that means to Paki clown-jewels?
MMS should talk to BO and unkil-Hu about this and warn them that any WMD attack on indian interests (in or out of Indian borders) will create a massive nuclear response from Bharat on tripurasuras.
A car bomb blast near Hangu DPO office killed 25 people on Thursday. Kohat DIG Masood Afridi said that several houses collapsed due to the explosion. Police sources said that a car carrying 450 kilograms of explosives was used in the blast.
shravan wrote:Hangu blast: over 25 killed, 56 injured, says DPO
A car bomb blast near Hangu DPO office killed 25 people on Thursday. Kohat DIG Masood Afridi said that several houses collapsed due to the explosion. Police sources said that a car carrying 450 kilograms of explosives was used in the blast.
See, they know the exact amount of IED material used, the ISI at times is guilty of being a bit too precise while giving a press release through their pigs in (out)law enforcement
Finally I was able to finish this dhaga. It was moving at a speed I could never catch up. Just a side note on mohatarma fair's article. I agree with some posters that we should be objective and to the point with our criticism. Does not serve us to use name calling. The analogy was great that can be used as required. Also it is better to write with non indic names used as usernames so that people dont dismiss your post just because you are Indian and hence always biased.
The United States wants Pakistan to start living up to its commitments in the fight against terrorism.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Thursday that Pakistan has not always acted decisively, and that it is time for Islamabad to meet Washington's "expectations." Clinton did not say what those expectations are.
Tillakaratne Dilshan, who leads Sri Lanka for the first time against England in Cardif on Thursdayf, has followed up Sri Lanka Cricket's refusal to tour Pakistan in October by vowing that he will never play cricket again in the country.
Dilshan's quick-thinking did much to help guide the Sri Lanka team coach to safety after it came under terrorist attack en route to a Test in Lahore more than two years ago, a gun battle that left six policemen and two civilians dead.
Right at the end of the discussion in the youtube video posted on the previous page, the guy on the far left says No first use policy is a shameful act along with convening a meeting of the cabinet 3 days after the osama incident. These guys really think NFU is stupid and if needed they should use pre-emptive nuke strikes. Something that should be a given to us and the US and require constant monitoring of paki nuke materials.
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