Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011
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A very dumb question - why doesn't UK leave EU?
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If even one Romanian "comes" to this legendary flexible economy, obviously the statement that "Romanians" "will come" will be validated. Surely that will happen. However, the more relevant and non-trivial question is will they choose UK in a higher proportion compared to other EU destinations? What is the basis of this "economic" confidence? Past experience does not show this - at least for Romanians. The data surely would be available to economists. Intra Europe migration is being studied for more than 20 years. Several data based studies exist - 2004, 2007, 2009, 2011. Romanians by the way - could migrate even in 2007. The restrictions applied to them equally in other "first-born" "euro-purelanders", more so in Germany compared to UK. But Romanians went more to Germany and Spain compared to UK. Even overall estimates are pretty stark : 2009 estmates were roughly onlee about 2.1% of overall population were "foreigners from another EU-state" within the 27-groupers.
Anyway, good news if the trend continues - is that overall India+SL student immigration appears to be falling. UK unis now fleece Chinese Masters/postgrad students. But China is investing heavily in their own uni's and from my interactions with Chinese uni-officials, they have taken a conscious decision to bring trained Chinese PhD's back to spawn their own institutional upswing back on soil.
I could not but help feel a degree of solidarity with the Chinese.
Hope desh switched to that policy too - instead of letting "affirmative action" serving to restrict the space for returnees.
On the other hand being involved in the "China-initiatives" as reviewers etc., has given a good insight into the future of China. As and when the CPC disbands, and a more open form of gov takes over, we may find common ground with the next generations. We may yet go to war, but afterwards - if we can come together for certain international issues, we might just be able to check the Anglo-Saxon perfidy.
Anyway, good news if the trend continues - is that overall India+SL student immigration appears to be falling. UK unis now fleece Chinese Masters/postgrad students. But China is investing heavily in their own uni's and from my interactions with Chinese uni-officials, they have taken a conscious decision to bring trained Chinese PhD's back to spawn their own institutional upswing back on soil.
I could not but help feel a degree of solidarity with the Chinese.

On the other hand being involved in the "China-initiatives" as reviewers etc., has given a good insight into the future of China. As and when the CPC disbands, and a more open form of gov takes over, we may find common ground with the next generations. We may yet go to war, but afterwards - if we can come together for certain international issues, we might just be able to check the Anglo-Saxon perfidy.
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Same reason that the UK joined the EU: economic and financial interests. The UK likes the single market (in capital, labour, goods and services) but doesn't like the pooling of political sovereignity e.g. qualified majority voting, single currency (heaven forbid!), Schengen, etc. The Tories want to repatriate some powers back from Brussels, and have promised a referendum on the question of EU membership by 2017 (by when they may no longer be in power anyway).matrimc wrote:A very dumb question - why doesn't UK leave EU?
See, for example:
and:http://www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... eds-change
Mr Cameron appears to be on the right side: voters tell pollsters they want renegotiated membership, they want a referendum and, on many issues, they want more independence from Brussels. The European Commission’s own polls consistently show Britons to be the union’s least enthusiastic members. But in one crucial respect, the prime minister is wrong. He said in his speech that Britons are “increasingly frustrated” about Europe, and that this frustration is developing “dramatically”. That is certainly true of Mr Cameron’s Conservative Party (see Bagehot). It is not, however, true of the British public.
Voters are far less neuralgic about Europe than their representatives in Westminster. When asked which topics most concern them, voters mention Europe much less than they did when Mr Blair was inviting them to love it (see chart). Even supporters of the United Kingdom Independence Party, which campaigns to leave the EU, worry more about the economy, immigration and crime than Europe, say the pollsters at Ipsos MORI. (Lord Ashcroft, a Tory donor who conducted a huge poll, reports similar findings.) And Britons are equal-opportunity cynics: they distrust their own politicians almost as much as they distrust Brussels.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/eu-de ... e-held-now
When the rubber hits the road, the political, economic and financial elite will campaign en masse to stay in the EU.
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Thanks, that's what I thought. So they want to get the benefits of capital, goods, services moving across freely but but do not like the downside of labor movement.
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Matrimc, the UK elites have no issues with labour movement per se. You will be amazed at the number and diversity of foreign born people in London, and the Londoners, ruling class especially, love it. From the maths whizz kids from the French engineering schools, to the Polish builders and waitresses, the Indian doctor, and the Bangladeshi minicab driver, all are welcome, and thrive in the place. The anti-immigrant feeling is frankly thinly disguised racism: nobody really has an issue with the over-educated over-paid white French derivatives traders that proliferate in Kensington; what gives the anti-immigration lobby its influence is the hostility towards 'visible minorities', especially those that are culturally distinctly non European, based on how they dress, the language they speak, etc. In other words, the mostly white migrants from the EU do not face much hostility.
What the UK does not like about the EU is for example the tendency to make Europe wide laws regarding labour regulations (google "EU working time directive"), criminal justice, human rights, etc. Even here there is ambiguity e.g. there appears to be very little opposition to Environmental standards and regulations that are determined at the EU level. You do get the occasional public row when for example the EU sets laws regarding how much meat there must be in a "sausage": German sausage contains meat, nobody really knows what the British sausage contains. There was ill feeling about the amount of contribution to the EU's budget, but that issue was largely resolved to the UK's satisfaction when Mrs. Thatcher negotiated the famous "British rebate". The single currency is also no longer an issue: nobody who wants to be taken seriously proposes the adoption of the Euro.
Britain wants to protect its ability to trade with the EU, and act as a location for companies from outside the EU that need a base in the EU. The EU economy is after all even larger than that of the US.
What the UK does not like about the EU is for example the tendency to make Europe wide laws regarding labour regulations (google "EU working time directive"), criminal justice, human rights, etc. Even here there is ambiguity e.g. there appears to be very little opposition to Environmental standards and regulations that are determined at the EU level. You do get the occasional public row when for example the EU sets laws regarding how much meat there must be in a "sausage": German sausage contains meat, nobody really knows what the British sausage contains. There was ill feeling about the amount of contribution to the EU's budget, but that issue was largely resolved to the UK's satisfaction when Mrs. Thatcher negotiated the famous "British rebate". The single currency is also no longer an issue: nobody who wants to be taken seriously proposes the adoption of the Euro.
Britain wants to protect its ability to trade with the EU, and act as a location for companies from outside the EU that need a base in the EU. The EU economy is after all even larger than that of the US.
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I heard that majority of the protestants in Northern Ireland are Scottish settled about 300 years ago. They are the ones who want NI with Britain and called unionists. Can we say that the real Northern Ireland issue is between native Irish population and Scottish settlers backed by English Queen?
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his death seems to have been caused by his horse running into a marshy spot during a charge he led against Henry Tudor's personal guard. he is said to have brought down the tudor standard bearer and then either his horse was shot or it stumbled and he went on the ground. he was surrounded by enemy foot soldiers and 'was in the thickest part of the press' according to one report and went down fighting outnumbered by all accounts. the skeleton has head injuries consistent with multiple blows to the head, possibly some with the helmet off - maybe it was knocked off and one puncture wound to the top of the skull where a sharp instrument was driven in with force. i can imagine a gang of tudor soldiers hacking him down and raining blows on his head and body till he stopped moving - and beyond
post mortem his body was stripped and left on the field with the other dead. later henry tudor had his body retrieved and it was carried naked on horseback to leicester town to show the people that the plantaganet line was over. at some stage during this journey as he lay naked on the horse, someone drove a dagger into his buttocks leaving injuries on his hip bone. the rest of the skeleton did not bear any damage, but it is likely he had many flesh wounds too if the towns people had access to his body. i am surprised that his head was not put on a pole on the city gates - perhaps there were still many who sympathised with the plantaganets...
his spine was bent through scoliosis which confirms the hunchback stories and the other remarkable thing was that he had slender arms - almost feminine, but was known as a tough fighter and combat leader. he died a warriors death.
his death seems to have been caused by his horse running into a marshy spot during a charge he led against Henry Tudor's personal guard. he is said to have brought down the tudor standard bearer and then either his horse was shot or it stumbled and he went on the ground. he was surrounded by enemy foot soldiers and 'was in the thickest part of the press' according to one report and went down fighting outnumbered by all accounts. the skeleton has head injuries consistent with multiple blows to the head, possibly some with the helmet off - maybe it was knocked off and one puncture wound to the top of the skull where a sharp instrument was driven in with force. i can imagine a gang of tudor soldiers hacking him down and raining blows on his head and body till he stopped moving - and beyond
post mortem his body was stripped and left on the field with the other dead. later henry tudor had his body retrieved and it was carried naked on horseback to leicester town to show the people that the plantaganet line was over. at some stage during this journey as he lay naked on the horse, someone drove a dagger into his buttocks leaving injuries on his hip bone. the rest of the skeleton did not bear any damage, but it is likely he had many flesh wounds too if the towns people had access to his body. i am surprised that his head was not put on a pole on the city gates - perhaps there were still many who sympathised with the plantaganets...
his spine was bent through scoliosis which confirms the hunchback stories and the other remarkable thing was that he had slender arms - almost feminine, but was known as a tough fighter and combat leader. he died a warriors death.
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more complicated - try king william of orangeshyam wrote:I heard that majority of the protestants in Northern Ireland are Scottish settled about 300 years ago. They are the ones who want NI with Britain and called unionists. Can we say that the real Northern Ireland issue is between native Irish population and Scottish settlers backed by English Queen?
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Time to ditch Downton Abbey as an instrument of foreign policy
Indian officials I knew in Delhi, for example, often loved to hate Britain – a fact that our High Commission often seemed not to realise – and presumed we were being all over-entitled and sniffy, even when we were actually begging for trade.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peter ... qus_thread
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02/06/2013 12:39 AM
"Indian officials I knew in Delhi, for example, often loved to hate Britain..."
Yes indeed but showed their absence of any self-respect by taking the foreign aid offered by the UK, did they not?
Indian officials I knew in Delhi, for example, often loved to hate Britain – a fact that our High Commission often seemed not to realise – and presumed we were being all over-entitled and sniffy, even when we were actually begging for trade.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peter ... qus_thread
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Treebrain
02/06/2013 12:39 AM
"Indian officials I knew in Delhi, for example, often loved to hate Britain..."
Yes indeed but showed their absence of any self-respect by taking the foreign aid offered by the UK, did they not?
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They might have not had the power to refuse "aid" either. This would have been a political decision and taken at "people's sole representative" level. Those other levels might have been very concerned about not damaging relations with "friendly foreign powers".
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Bas yahi baki (sic) tha...??? now reports of cannibalism arise from 'em glowriyos isles...
Horse meat found in British supermarkets 'may be donkey'
Horse meat found in British supermarkets 'may be donkey'
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http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/323daea2 ... z2Kh1ePoG5
Tata Motors is listed on NYSE, does it make Indo-American Company?
Why not thou Arcelormittal an Anglo-Indian Company?
Passing an Indian Company Essar Energy (Only one company in the Essar Group) listed on London as Anglo-Indian?The Anglo-Indian refining and power generation group updates on trading on Monday
Tata Motors is listed on NYSE, does it make Indo-American Company?
Why not thou Arcelormittal an Anglo-Indian Company?
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mittal is hq'ed in london
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What is the harm in letting them delude themselves?
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Finmeccanica bribery probe a threat to UK jobs
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... -jobs.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... -jobs.html
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In Belgium he is almost everyday on front page with heading like "This is Devil". Today's La Libre Belgiques has him on front page with heading "Inoxydable Mittal". There are articles about greediness of Marwaris. Some one mentioned that he was born in house without electricity and running water in rural Rajasthan. He is closing steel plant in Liege. This plant is 200 years old but now it is not profitable. Mittle had an agreement with local govt that if he is given tax breaks there will be no lay-offs. But now that contractual periode has passed and he is under no obligation to keep the loss making unit. In all 5000 families will suffer.................this is too much pour petite Belgique. These guys (Belgians) are brought up thinking that they are best businessmen untill now. Mittal is doing everything correct under law but when an European suffers they change the law to suite themselves. Now is the real game. I want to see the depth and scope of Marwari witt.Lalmohan wrote:mittal is hq'ed in london
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David Cameron's India trade delegation: who's in it
UK , Biz ke Bhookhe
UK , Biz ke Bhookhe
David Cameron arrives in Mumbai on Monday with the largest trade delegation ever taken by a British prime minister to any country in the world. Cameron, who will be the first British prime minister to visit India's commercial capital in more than 20 years, will be accompanied by more than 100 representatives from multinationals, small- to medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) and universities. His delegation includes four ministers plus nine other parliamentarians, many of whom have Indian heritage.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013 ... NETTXT3487
Britain to relax visa rules for Indian investors, signals PMDavid Cameron hopes to table 'even more attractive offer' during visit to subcontinent, accompanied by largest trade delegation
Britain to relax visa rules for Indian investors, signals PMDavid Cameron hopes to table 'even more attractive offer' during visit to subcontinent, accompanied by largest trade delegation
Britain is to relax visa rules for Indian investors as David Cameron uses a trade visit to the subcontinent to ensure the UK does not lose out to European competitors in one of the world's fastest growing economies.As he prepared to fly to Mumbai with the largest trade delegation ever taken by a British prime minister to any country in the world, Cameron said he hoped to table an "even more attractive offer" on visas during his trip.No 10 has faced intense pressure from business leaders to relax visa rules, which have been toughened as the government seeks to limit the number of non-EU migrants to the tens of thousands.
In an interview with the Hindustan Times, the prime minister said that Britain runs its largest visa operation in India. Officials process 400,000 applications a year, of which only 10% are rejected.
But Cameron acknowledged that the system may be deterring Indian investors from coming to Britain and indicated that he will announce changes to the system during his three-day visit to India, which begins in Mumbai on Monday. The prime minister, whose first official visit outside Europe in 2010 was to India, said: "I'm determined to ensure that the service we offer to Indian businesses encourages them to come and invest in Britain. We have more visa application centres in India than any other country and we offer a wide range of bespoke visa services to travellers."But I think there's more we can do here and that's an area where I hope we can put an even more attractive offer on the table during this trip."The prime minister's remarks follow intense lobbying by business leaders and by ministers such as Vince Cable and David Willetts, the universities minister, who is accompanying Cameron to India. They have voiced fears that overly restrictive visa rules could place Britain at a disadvantage in India, which is on course to be the world's third largest economy by 2050.The competition for business in India, which is expected to spend $1tn (£645bn) on infrastructure over the next five years, was highlighted last week when François Hollande, the French president, paid a two-day visit to India. Britain is hoping to persuade the Indians to consider buying Eurofighter Typhoon jets after Hollande and Manmohan Singh, the Indian prime minister, failed to finalise a $14bn deal to buy 126 French Dassault Rafale fighters.
The prime minister, who is on course to meet his pledge to double trade between Britain and India between 2010-15, is trying to outsmart the French by taking a trade delegation of more than 100 representatives from multinationals, SMEs, the universities and the arts. The delegation includes defence manufacturers such as BAE Systems, which helps make the Eurofighter jet, EADS UK, Rolls Royce and Thales UK.Cameron will show he remains unbothered by a row last year after he opened a JCB factory in Brazil owned by the Tory donor Sir Anthony Bamford. JCB is part of the business delegation to India.
Downing Street has identified eight areas where British business strengths match the growing demand in India. They are infrastructure; financial services; innovation and research; industry, with a particular focus on advanced manufacturing; energy; health, where $143bn is due to be spent; education; and vocational skills.Britain believes the business opportunities are limitless in India, where 40% of the population will be classified as middle class over the coming decades. But the prime minister acknowledges that, as India's former colonial ruler, Britain has to tread with care and cannot take its links with the subcontinent for granted."We cannot rely merely on sentiment and shared history with our trading partners," he said before flying out. "We have to get out there, make the case for Britain and open doors for British business."In his interview with the Hindustan Times, the prime minister confessed to a love of curry. "I like a pretty hot curry. And while I'm very proud that we've got some curries here in Britain that we're exporting back to India, I'm also hoping to sample some of India's finest during my trip."
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British worker 'among those kidnapped in Nigeria'
A British construction worker is believed to be among seven foreigners kidnapped in a raid by suspected Islamic extremists on a compound in northern Nigeria.
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The briturds playing cute again. Why their PM may even express regret for the 'worst excesses' committed during the Raj such as Jallianwala.
David Cameron's India trade trip: why we owe a debt to India
David Cameron's India trade trip: why we owe a debt to India
#aakthoo. the racists are running amok in full force in the kament section, besides. The mention of the truth of the raj must've touched some Raa nerves perhaps...Rather than apologising for colonial 'crimes’ when he arrives in Mumbai today, David Cameron should thank his hosts, says Dean Nelson
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^what are you talking about?
Cameron(like his french counterpart) is in india to make business deals. UK is the seller. India is the buyer. Ignore the trash talk from british people. They were colonists. It was there great legacy and they have to live with it.
Cameron(like his french counterpart) is in india to make business deals. UK is the seller. India is the buyer. Ignore the trash talk from british people. They were colonists. It was there great legacy and they have to live with it.
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David Cameron pledges more visas for trade with India
Good stuff!Interest in the Indian media had been modest ahead of Mr Cameron’s visit. The Times of India, the world’s largest English-language newspaper, devoted its entire front-page to Britain, but only because the British government had paid for a wrap-around cover encouraging people to visit the country; of Mr Cameron’s visit to India there was not a mention.
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Mumbai-Bangalore corridor will unleash India’s potential, says Cameron
Mumbai: British Prime Minister David Cameron said on Monday he wanted his country’s companies to help India develop new cities and districts along a 1,000 km (600 mile) corridor between Mumbai and Bangalore, generating investment projects worth up to $25 billion.
Kicking off a three-day visit to India with the largest trade delegation taken abroad by a British prime minister, Cameron said he wanted British firms to work with the Indian and British governments to develop nine districts to link Mumbai, India’s financial capital, with Bangalore, its tech hub.
“With me I’ve got architects, planners and finance experts who can work out the complete solution,” he told an audience of business people and workers at Hindustan Unilever Limited.
“It would unleash India’s potential along the 1,000 km from Mumbai to Bangalore, transforming lives and putting British businesses in prime position to secure valuable commercial deals.”
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This Cameron chap is an utter idiot in that I am not sure if he is intentionally sounding patronizing all the time, oh white man is here to solve all the problems of you SDREs. His comment on the Eurojet "I will ask the Indians to take a look at our jet", I thought was monumentally pathetic and now this comment --> " With me I have architects, planners....who will work out the entire solution", huh? Sorry Mr Prime Minister we have plenty of those too, all we need in India is the capital to work with. Look at the Japanese, they put their money where their mouth is, why dont you?
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^^The DMIC corridor is almost taken over by the japani bhais. And looks like the investment and faith are paying off for DMIC. No wonder too, with Guj poised to contribute and gain bigtime from DMIC.
Hence also the interest (sudden too) in similar city-city industrial corridors from the patronizing west only.
Hence also the interest (sudden too) in similar city-city industrial corridors from the patronizing west only.
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Actually even the capital is not a issue anymore, the issue is now ONLY political will and that ALONE.Yogi_G wrote:all we need in India is the capital to work with. Look at the Japanese, they put their money where their mouth is, why dont you?
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Sanku ji, with the PPP offers coming up cropper and govt reluctance on giving "national project" to upcoming projects do we really have the capital availability so easily? Maybe with recent RBI moves we may see some improvement on this front for borrowing but still capital availability of infrastructure projects has a big question mark around it in India. Would like to know your thoughts.Sanku wrote:Actually even the capital is not a issue anymore, the issue is now ONLY political will and that ALONE.Yogi_G wrote:all we need in India is the capital to work with. Look at the Japanese, they put their money where their mouth is, why dont you?
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There is no point in investing in England. England is on its way to become the leper colony of the world with every (~97%) person there a Muslim retard born out of cousin marriage in a couple of decades. Indians there should look for alternatives.
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Yogi_G ji, this will quickly move in the economy thread I think, but for here my quick points are as followsYogi_G wrote:Sanku ji, with the PPP offers coming up cropper and govt reluctance on giving "national project" to upcoming projects do we really have the capital availability so easily? Maybe with recent RBI moves we may see some improvement on this front for borrowing but still capital availability of infrastructure projects has a big question mark around it in India. Would like to know your thoughts.Sanku wrote:
Actually even the capital is not a issue anymore, the issue is now ONLY political will and that ALONE.
1) The two issues you raise, are not because of capital, but tardy movement on PPP (poor structuring, lack of faith in govt by private parties) and the second issue is direct govt.
2) If we look at the recent comments by Azim Premji and Tata etc, they have bemoaned that they are being pushed out of India for business, at higher costs whereas there is still potential in India.
Taken together (along with GDP numbers, and deficit numbers) -- there is enough evidence for capital, it is just that it is being currently squandered. A less profligate government, which attarcts confidence, will easily set the virtuous cycle of investment --> growth --> more investment with inflation reined in as supply side constraints get addressed.
It can be done over 1 to 2 years in my opinion.
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^^ Sanku ji, I see what drove your earlier post, I agree, the current situation is because of the current govt's decisions. I initially thought from your post that there was some other investment vehicle available that the current govt was not making use of.
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Ties that no longer bind : David Cameron returns to Delhi more as a supplicant than a benefactor
The former jewel in its imperial crown considers, probably rightly, that Britain needs India a lot more than it needs Britain. To his credit, Mr Cameron is the first British prime minister to have registered that important truth.
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The British are actually quite clueless about their Nazi like past. They do not realize that the more young Indians learn about the 200 year rule of the British, the less they would want to deal with the British.
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The whole trip is a non-event. The british themselves are making a mountain out of a mole. The MMRCA is a done deal. He hardly has anything to sell.
Can someone answer these two questions:
1) What does cameron want from india(but what can he give in return)?
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2) What does india want from cameron(but what can india give in return)?
Can someone answer these two questions:
1) What does cameron want from india(but what can he give in return)?
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2) What does india want from cameron(but what can india give in return)?
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$25 billion - Mumbai - BLR corridor built/financed by british businesses.
India wants more trade among other things
India wants more trade among other things
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How much of this includes the $10B Indian Aid to EU coming back as investment? How much of this includes the "family" money that is earned from defense deals?shyamd wrote:$25 billion - Mumbai - BLR corridor built/financed by british businesses.
India wants more trade among other things
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Let me attempt to answer.nvishal wrote:The whole trip is a non-event. The british themselves are making a mountain out of a mole. The MMRCA is a done deal. He hardly has anything to sell.
Can someone answer these two questions:
1) What does cameron want from india(but what can he give in return)?
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2) What does india want from cameron(but what can india give in return)?
1) FDI in retail, so that brits can sell their super expensive products to Indian middle class.1) What does cameron want from india(but what can he give in return)?
2) FDI in insurance.
3) Awards contracts to brit companies for the proposed mumbai bangalore corridor.
4) Buy military hardware from briton.
1) Criminals and terrorists hinding in briton should be repatriated.2) What does india want from cameron(but what can india give in return)?
2) Stop cheering its(briton) illegitimate child pakisatan's terrorism against India.
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Is it only me when i feel a strong touch of sarcasm here ?Rony wrote:http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3586 ... rd0000.jpg
Ties that no longer bind : David Cameron returns to Delhi more as a supplicant than a benefactor
The former jewel in its imperial crown considers, probably rightly, that Britain needs India a lot more than it needs Britain. To his credit, Mr Cameron is the first British prime minister to have registered that important truth.
I wonder whats the real deal behind this show posturing by britturd media pre cameroon visit.. coinciding with a make or break juncture for Congrez in the runup to 2014 .
After all its the britturd dominated financial networks which have a critical part to play in pumping back the fraction of looted black money which will form the bulk of warbooty of Congrez (for its vote purchasing operations) before 2014 .
May be Cameroon personally wants to negotiate terms for helping establish an UPA 3 ?
But yes the picture reminds one of similar circumstances of show posturing by Briturd Residents in courts of erstwhile Maharajas/Nawabs all the while playing the role of kingmaker behind the scenes.
NaMo has to be extremely careful how he deals with the Perfidious Albion ... he cant ignore their demands nor can he afford to antagonize their networks pre election , the Screw destined for the briturds may need to be loosened by a few turns here before the slow turn in can again resume ... IMO
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1)Access to British Departmental chains , Banks , BAE , Liquor - in return transfer the stashed cash back to congrez without any hiccup.nvishal wrote:The whole trip is a non-event. The british themselves are making a mountain out of a mole. The MMRCA is a done deal. He hardly has anything to sell.
Can someone answer these two questions:
1) What does cameron want from india(but what can he give in return)?
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2) What does india want from cameron(but what can india give in return)?
2)What India and Indians actually want is non interference in elections - but Congrez as usual wants something else namely the above and better terms from the Britturds for the next 5 years if it manages to get reelected . In return there will be usual favourable access to brit MNCs to loot the common man.
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011
a) The industrial corridors were anticipated. The western states want to offload some manufacturing capacity from china to india since the former has grown to a point of hostility. The hard fact however is that indians will be making goods for the west and selling it cheap(very less margins) - working more, getting paid less. Disproportional commerce.
b) Arms deals are not like most other business. It has too much of politics involved. I doubt if cameron can sell the eurofighter even if he undercuts it against the rafale. The west is always concerned about tipping the balance of power. We're buying transport aircrafts but the actual stuff that can tip the balance is the sale of new generation fire power which we can't buy and/or least expect support in dire need.
c) India is not ready for FDI. This is a fact, not an opinion.
d) Pakistan and China will remain an ally and a parter for the west.
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a will be accepted since we have no choice. "Manufacturing" in india is way behind or almost non-existent. There was a video on youtube of an indian assembly line manufacturing 80w bulbs. I couldn't find the video anymore but it looked like an assembly line from the 70s which still operates today. In short, we need current generation assembly lines.
b will always remain a skeptical event.
c has already been set rolling by the INC with decision for enforcement as free will of each individual state. The BJP is against it and will revoke it when they come to power. The foreign companies understand indian politics so they will not enter lock stock and barrel unless there is significant consensus between both congress and BJP. The current relaxation in FDI by the congress is not enough for confidence.
d aka terrorism is subjective(good/bad terrorism). The west and india's views of terrorism does not converge entirely. Jihadis will remain a part of pakistans foreign policy. Similarly, Pakistan and China will remain a part of the west foreign policy. Confujed?
b) Arms deals are not like most other business. It has too much of politics involved. I doubt if cameron can sell the eurofighter even if he undercuts it against the rafale. The west is always concerned about tipping the balance of power. We're buying transport aircrafts but the actual stuff that can tip the balance is the sale of new generation fire power which we can't buy and/or least expect support in dire need.
c) India is not ready for FDI. This is a fact, not an opinion.
d) Pakistan and China will remain an ally and a parter for the west.
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a will be accepted since we have no choice. "Manufacturing" in india is way behind or almost non-existent. There was a video on youtube of an indian assembly line manufacturing 80w bulbs. I couldn't find the video anymore but it looked like an assembly line from the 70s which still operates today. In short, we need current generation assembly lines.
b will always remain a skeptical event.
c has already been set rolling by the INC with decision for enforcement as free will of each individual state. The BJP is against it and will revoke it when they come to power. The foreign companies understand indian politics so they will not enter lock stock and barrel unless there is significant consensus between both congress and BJP. The current relaxation in FDI by the congress is not enough for confidence.
d aka terrorism is subjective(good/bad terrorism). The west and india's views of terrorism does not converge entirely. Jihadis will remain a part of pakistans foreign policy. Similarly, Pakistan and China will remain a part of the west foreign policy. Confujed?
