Internal Security Watch

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 15 Feb 2016 03:43

The message in Punjabi says: “On February 12, the AAP will observe the birth anniversary of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale. On this day, all party workers should visit the nearest Gurdwaras and pledge to walk the path shown by Sants.” It further says the poster was issued by the AAP, Punjab, and “Bhindranwale, a lion. We will fulfil your dream”.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/punjab/aa ... 54123.html

ManSingh · Post by **ManSingh** » 15 Feb 2016 07:51

^^^ Is this for real? The punjabi translation by Zee is perfect though.

Though I can see why AAP would do it. I have noticed AAP commands a large support base in rural punjab where such slogans might give it a slight advantage.

But it would be disastrous in urban areas. The major reason Akali Dal aligned with BJP is because both parties have a different vote bank. If the above is AAP strategy, then it is advantage congress in Punjab now.

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Feb 2016 08:07

rural Sikhs idolize Bhinderanwale. All through the 80s it was a fact. His rallies attracted the biggest crowds.
AAP is just an opportunistic political party sponsored by Ford Foundation. What they got to lose by invoking B'wale.
Khalistan is dead because the spear tip of militancy was nipped. but the base of that, the crowd support is still alive and well.
the Sikh fundamentalists who supported Khalistan came to realize that unlike mughal times, when rebels had access to mountains, forests as well as plains. Just operating in plains of Punjab could not support a militancy movement against overwhelming majority state.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 15 Feb 2016 09:29

I see a consistent sympathy for khaali stanis in your posts.Whats the justification for it?

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 15 Feb 2016 09:31

[youtube]7VvHB4NhgrM&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Feb 2016 09:37

it's not sympathy per se, although I'm sympathetic towards loss of lives. it's waste of good fighting people.
you do not want to see good talent go to waste in such fashion.
stupid policies directed them to fight in wrong direction. Dharmic policies should have directed them to fight towards western direction.

most importantly, it's good that you pointed this out.
there is a need to take a 'principled stand' in light of the habitual 'rebel' nature of Sikhs. You need to convey 'as a society' that this is what is acceptable. this is wrong and this is right. And wrong will attract due retribution, but that should be at individual level since we need the society to function as it does.
they have been rebelling since a long time.
now if you ever visited that part of India, you will know 'principled' is what is in dire short supply.
nothing will work given that environment.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 15 Feb 2016 15:23

Thanks for replying.

Hari Nair · Post by **Hari Nair** » 15 Feb 2016 18:24

ravip wrote: I am yet to come across a video which shows him shouting Anti-India Slogans. Do you have one, please direct me to the same. Yesterday on NDTV a CPI Leader who met HM stated that, when he asked HM on what basis Kumar was arrested, the HM is said to have replied that "based on video", but I am yet to see that video. What video is he speaking of? which is yet to come to public knowledge.

For P Ravi & the others who still appear to doubt - check out these Zee News reports with clear video & audio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPveL-pYY5Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmDg6rP_Zqc

- Makes my skin creep that we are breeding these young snakes in taxpayer subsidised terror / anarchist nurseries.
- The role of most JNU faculty members in the humanities dept also appear to be in doubt - these swine have been silently egging the impressionable students along. Not that the students, who all are adults, are not aware of what they are doing. High time the sharp stick to is applied to their posteriors.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 15 Feb 2016 21:02

NewsX Verified account ‏@NewsX 14s15 seconds ago

#IndiaVsAfzalLeague: JNU student Umar Khalid a JeM sympathiser. He had also travelled to Pakistan: IB Report to @HMOIndia

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 15 Feb 2016 21:09

Now Ravip what do you have to say? Is he deserving of a sedition charge?

You have posted here a doctored video claimed to be of ABVP (since deleted by admin action)? What is your position on that?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 15 Feb 2016 21:17

rss ka saajish ??

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 15 Feb 2016 21:28

ravip · Post by **ravip** » 15 Feb 2016 21:57

JE Menon wrote:Now Ravip what do you have to say? Is he deserving of a sedition charge?

You have posted here a doctored video claimed to be of ABVP (since deleted by admin action)? What is your position on that?

Now Sudhir chaudry becomes the epitome of honest journalism...!!! it is less said the better about him. What act of Mr. Kumar is sedition is what I am unable to understand, what are the specific charges leveled against him?

What is doctored in that video, just because it exposes ABVP goons it doesn't become a fake one. Prove it wrong than to delete it.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 15 Feb 2016 22:00

ravip wrote:No body is trying to play it by half. Which video is it that which the 3 members investigating committee saw? or the judge saw or where you see him shouting or which shows he organised the anti-india slogan? Above all how come these same sedition charges doesn't apply to Omar Abdulla, Farooq Abdulla, PDP Politicians or any of the high profile Politicians from J&K, why be selective?

"But he did it too!" is only an online rhetorical construct and usually works best between small kids in school playgrounds. It's not a legal defense.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 15 Feb 2016 22:02

ravip wrote:
JE Menon wrote:Now Ravip what do you have to say? Is he deserving of a sedition charge?

You have posted here a doctored video claimed to be of ABVP (since deleted by admin action)? What is your position on that?
Now Sudhir chaudry becomes the epitome of honest journalism...!!! it is less said the better about him. What act of Mr. Kumar is sedition is what I am unable to understand, what are the specific charges leveled against him?

What is doctored in that video, just because it exposes ABVP goons it doesn't become a fake one. Prove it wrong than to delete it.

Don't think you will listen to something else but one thing you can be assured of. A whole boatload of charges are coming towards kanhaiya and other organizers apart from sedition itself which looks much stronger now.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 15 Feb 2016 22:05

ravip wrote:What is doctored in that video, just because it exposes ABVP goons it doesn't become a fake one. Prove it wrong than to delete it.

The forum moderators decide this. Not you. You're treading on very ice here by questioning moderation actions in this manner. Informal warning.

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 15 Feb 2016 22:09

ravip wrote: What is doctored in that video, just because it exposes ABVP goons it doesn't become a fake one. Prove it wrong than to delete it.

Since you made unverifiable claims about the contents of your video link, it is up to you to prove that the video was not doctored by providing the exact date and time this was taken, and the source of the video if it was a news organization, or the person who took the video, and any other details that prove the video is what you say it is. Otherwise, one can assume that you are just using this forum to spread some party-line propaganda, which makes you a shameless liar who is entirely ignorable.

Given this, no one needs to prove anything to you, when you all have done so far is prove that you are a bare-faced liar who has made unsubstantiated allegations based on a video that has not been time stamped or have enough detail to support any of your claims about your video, or indeed any of the claims made in the video's voiceover.

ravip · Post by **ravip** » 15 Feb 2016 22:19

ThiruV wrote:
ravip wrote: What is doctored in that video, just because it exposes ABVP goons it doesn't become a fake one. Prove it wrong than to delete it.
Since you made unverifiable claims about the contents of your video link, it is up to you to prove that the video was not doctored by providing the exact date and time this was taken, and the source of the video if it was a news organization, or the person who took the video, and any other details that prove the video is what you say it is. Otherwise, one can assume that you are just using this forum to spread some party-line propaganda, which makes you a shameless liar who is entirely ignorable.

Given this, no one needs to prove anything to you, when you all have done so far is prove that you are a bare-faced liar who has made unsubstantiated allegations based on a video that has not been time stamped or have enough detail to support any of your claims about your video, or indeed any of the claims made in the video's voiceover.

While you convict a person for sedition based on some video which is yet to come to public knowledge and most conveniently doesn't apply the same logic of verifying the time,date,angle, altitude, longitude, gravity etc... of video.

ravip · Post by **ravip** » 15 Feb 2016 22:20

Suraj wrote:
ravip wrote:What is doctored in that video, just because it exposes ABVP goons it doesn't become a fake one. Prove it wrong than to delete it.
The forum moderators decide this. Not you. You're treading on very ice here by questioning moderation actions in this manner. Informal warning.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 15 Feb 2016 22:21

Sigh. Some people just cannot take a hint. Poster banned.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 15 Feb 2016 22:26

he he, the idiot is shouting "right to sedition zindabad" and this numbskull is claiming there was no sedition there.

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 15 Feb 2016 22:27

ravip wrote: While you convict a person for sedition based on some video which is yet to come to public knowledge and most conveniently doesn't apply the same logic of verifying the time,date,angle, altitude, longitude, gravity etc... of video.

Neither I nor anyone here has convicted anyone, so cut your BS and provide proof that your video was not a doctored one, or you can continue to prove that you are worthless liar who has nothing useful to add to this discussion, as you have done so far.

As for Kanhaiya Kumar, he is the Leader of the student political organization that was responsible for holding the event that has been caught on tape by multiple individuals, or maybe you have not heard of the word "responsibility", as is the norm for most anarchists and communists. So here is a primer: anyone who is in charge of a student organization that hosts a rally in which seditious slogans are raised has to answer for all that went on in that event. So KK owes an explanation for how (a) he accepted these known agents of terrorist groups in his organization (b) what was the extent of his knowledge of these terrorist activity on campus (c) how these terrorist groups got to sponsor the event under the banner of the group KK was leader of.

I am sure that if he is all that innocent as you claim, he has nothing to worry about...all he has to do is just spend a few more days of paid vacation at the taxpayer's expense in Delhi's finest prisons, and then can get back to rioting or setting things on fire, or whatever it is students at JNU do these days on campus.

added later: looks like you were just a commie troll and you got your just desserts. buh-bye.

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 15 Feb 2016 22:30

CPM offices barricaded and Comrade yechury is all

"us today, who tomorrow" it seems.

‏@SitaramYechury
Our accessible office now has barricades. Their idea is to try and scare us off! Us today-who tomorrow

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 15 Feb 2016 22:30

According to navbharat times, Kanhaiya has accepted he knew all about umar khalid and his contacts with terrorists as well as that he had bought in outsiders that night.

http://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/me ... 000720.cms

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 15 Feb 2016 22:33

ravip, by putting up a doctored video here, you have opened yourself up to a defamation charge from the injured party if they choose to go to the court. We are not going to join you in your idiocy. Good luck.

Oh, just noticed. Good bye too.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 15 Feb 2016 22:35

ravip wrote:
Suraj wrote:[quote "ravip"]What is doctored in that video, just because it exposes ABVP goons it doesn't become a fake one. Prove it wrong than to delete it.[ quote]
The forum moderators decide this. Not you. You're treading on very ice here by questioning moderation actions in this manner. Informal warning.

Hari Nair garu has posted a couple of videos in direct response to your challenge to show what was incriminating about Kanhaiya kumars actions.

He is seen shouting Azaadi Azaadi in those videos and his accomplices in unision shouting demands of Azaadi not only for Kashmir but for Kerala,Bengal,Punjab. Is it not a case of sedition ? or do you calim to be some kind of legal expert in this holding some sort of upper hand in law and we are all to take your claims that its not sedition without a question ?
But probably i think you are deaf and dumb or more possibly just feigning it.

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 15 Feb 2016 22:39

ravip is just another idiot troll, so we can safely ignore that moron's blithering and get back on topic.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Feb 2016 23:20

NewsXVerified account‏@NewsX

#IndiaVsAfzalLeague: 10 Kashmiri youths linked with JeM were living in the #JNU campus: IB Report.

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8:40 AM - 15 Feb 2016

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Feb 2016 23:44

Apparently there was JNUwalas doing Gundagiri in the Court in Delhi. Few Advocates and Journalists were at the receiving end of physical abuse.Anti India slogans were raised and one police inspector lost his cool.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 16 Feb 2016 11:09

http://intellibriefs.blogspot.in/2005/0 ... union.html

Is this true that JNU traitors organised a Indo-Pak Mushaira in the middle of Kargil and beat up 3 Army personnel inside the campus? If yes, all these leftist ******** should be killed as brutally as possible.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 16 Feb 2016 18:08

It seems a RSS cadre has been murdered in Kerala by the Commies. Is it retaliation for JNU or coming elections???? Things could get dirty.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Feb 2016 19:21

in the good old days of naxals in telengana, as per old traditions the police seldom if ever would come inside the rec warangal campus respecting the academic enviroment. so naxals used that as a good haven to commit mayhem outside and take shelter inside until the heat was off. in one incident a bihar student was stabbed to death right in the evening mess by a group of such people by turning the lights off after pinpointing his table. for some years thereafter no students from bihar came to fill the 15 or so seats in recw. after such incidents and one of a landmine blowing up a jeep with a anti-naxal inspector right near the college gate, a police post was established right in the ground floor of one hostel to keep an eye on things.

ramana being a super senior will remember those days well.

looks like this tried and tested strategy is being used to form a network of 'safe houses' for roving anti-national elements

there might be instances of FTII type overstaying also using contacts and dadagiri to carve out a permanent residence for a pittance of hostel fees vs renting outside.

a thorough audit needs to be conducted of all JNU hostels to weed out these elements

raghava · Post by **raghava** » 16 Feb 2016 19:55

Singha wrote:in the good old days of naxals in telengana, as per old traditions the police seldom if ever would come inside the rec warangal campus respecting the academic enviroment. so naxals used that as a good haven to commit mayhem outside and take shelter inside until the heat was off.
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looks like this tried and tested strategy is being used to form a network of 'safe houses' for roving anti-national elements

there might be instances of FTII type overstaying also using contacts and dadagiri to carve out a permanent residence for a pittance of hostel fees vs renting outside.

a thorough audit needs to be conducted of all JNU hostels to weed out these elements

Singha sir,

I can assure you this strategy is used by a few anti social/gundagardi types in many government universities in Andhra Pradesh, Telangana & Orissa to this day.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 17 Feb 2016 00:01

RE:
khalistanis and the destabilisation of Punjab

A friend recently sent me a link to a Youtube channel where a young(ish) Sikh preacher based in the UK gives lectures on Sikh issues. Tbh the religious content is pretty good and harmless however when it comes to politics this man and his team are clearly pro-Bhindranwale and anti-Indian government. Violence is never directly condoned however the usual BS conspiracy theories such as "non Sikhs used to dress up as Sikhs in the 80s and kill Hindus in order to make Bhindranwale types look bad", "the rest of India is stealing Punjab's resources', 'RSS types are trying to change Sikhism', 'the government are getting Sikhs hooked on drugs', 'Modi is a mass murderer' etc etc are peddled.

Anyway, 'who cares' I hear people screaming however the group are holding a 'Sikh camp' outside Delhi next week.

Here are details of the event:

http://www.basicsofsikhi.com/basics-and ... 016-promo/

Should a foreign org like this be allowed to hold such an event in India and if not can anything be done to stop it? They basically distort history and distort the current political climate in India. And they are a British charity who have no place trying to cause trouble in India.

Some of the questionable content by this group:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNu8j90FppU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsOTlswAXHw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NChUQ_7iKLA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppkh2Tiphjs

Here they are calling Modi and 'voters' terrorists:

https://twitter.com/everythings_13/stat ... 4913405952

Here they say Modi is a Hindutva fascist.

https://twitter.com/everythings_13/stat ... 6857995264

And well there is a lot more, can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/user/basicsofsikhi/videos

https://twitter.com/everythings_13

Any thoughts guys? I suspect that these people based in England have somehow registered themselves in India too and they have posted some videos from India - they are very careful to keep the India based videos religious only and apolitical. But who knows what they will be telling people in these camps!!

Venu · Post by **Venu** » 17 Feb 2016 05:08

sunnyP wrote:RE:
khalistanis and the destabilisation of Punjab

A friend recently sent me a link to a Youtube channel where a young(ish) Sikh preacher based in the UK gives lectures on Sikh issues....who knows what they will be telling people in these camps!!

You may want to consider informing HMO about this? Infact, your this post is elaborate enough and can be straight away copy pasted to inform the HMO. Kudos.

ManSingh · Post by **ManSingh** » 17 Feb 2016 07:26

No offence meant.

^^^Relax. It is pretty normal. I have heard the above propaganda from teenager days.

Sikhs of Canada and UK are a gone case. Many of them with similar ideologies visit India each year. Whom all will the govt stop?

Just to give you an idea. In Canada, the propaganda ( not only against India but also other religions as well ) can be very disturbing. In my relative circle, a senior citizen once went to one of the gurudwara's controlled by radicals. Despite being very religious he decided not to ever visit a gurudwara in Canada without knowing it's ideology. Yes, different gurudwara's in Canada can have different ideologies based on political leanings. Sad but true!!!

Also this mis-use of free speech is not restricted to sikhs alone. A few years ago there was a certain Kamlesh ahir from Vancouver ( Not posting any links because all are in punjabi ). She abused everyone( Brahmin, sikh, khatri etc. ) not connected to B.R. Ambedkar or Gautam Buddha.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Feb 2016 08:37

i myself visited a gurudwara in a certain state in US east coast where a friend was sponsoring the days langar. some 300 people were sitting there for the prayer meeting before the meal. one radical took the mike and ranted for a while about khalistan though most of the crowd for lack of better option were forced to sit there despite lack of personal support. this was around 2002.

venkat_r · Post by **venkat_r** » 17 Feb 2016 09:38

This issue has gone to rediculous length already - Hope the law and the govt take some stern steps to nip this. It is almost unbelievable that few politicians can even support this.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 17 Feb 2016 09:49

For what its worth

IB REPORTS PUNCTURE DELHI COPS’ CLAIMS OF VIDEO PROOF

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/news/india/ ... 017566.cms

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 17 Feb 2016 09:54

^^ They have just copied likely fake firstpost report on Delhi Police special branch report

http://www.firstpost.com/india/dear-jnu ... 28976.html