Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
A bag of chawal and some spices
At least sometimes it is bare minimum - rest is of the land.
We are SDREs after all!!!
I will ask again.
At least sometimes it is bare minimum - rest is of the land.
We are SDREs after all!!!
I will ask again.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
a knife and a lighter.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
If you really think about it, lots of traditional desi SDRE foods are MRE and have low probability of getting spoilt and are tasty to boot..so makes it much easier than having to invent those cardboard tasting fancy MREs used by western armies.
-
- BRFite
- Posts: 277
- Joined: 06 Feb 2008 23:14
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Will the Paras shift to the Mahindra AXE/ Marksman or TATA's vehicles soon? The gypsy is thoroughly outdated today.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
My guess----Maggie noodles and some chocolate bars or some DRDO high vitamin/protein packed food.Surya wrote:A bag of chawal and some spices
At least sometimes it is bare minimum - rest is of the land.
We are SDREs after all!!!
I will ask again.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
In the "Line of Fire" segment on Special Forces, one commando mentions MREs, Chocolate Bars and Boiled Eggs. That's probably a small sample of the kinds of pre-cooked, dense foods that they carry.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Dude what the hell does SRDE mean??Surya wrote:A bag of chawal and some spices
At least sometimes it is bare minimum - rest is of the land.
We are SDREs after all!!!
I will ask again.
Its driving me nuts trying to figure out.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Agonizing isn't it?? ... Drove me bonkers too, a couple of days back.Anand Barve wrote: Dude what the hell does SRDE mean??
Its driving me nuts trying to figure out.
Here goes .... One awesome list of BRF acronyms coming up ....
Link: http://brf.wik.is/BRF_Acronyms_and_Nomenclature
Regards,
Ashish
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
I remember reading in arrse that they get things like pulao and chicken, not maggi. the fellow said Indian soldiers were pretty happy with MREs unlike gora ones. may be RayC can clarify.Venkarl wrote:My guess----Maggie noodles and some chocolate bars or some DRDO high vitamin/protein packed food.Surya wrote:A bag of chawal and some spices
At least sometimes it is bare minimum - rest is of the land.
We are SDREs after all!!!
I will ask again.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Whoa ... thanks Venkarl for an that ....
Link: http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46
Regards,
Ashish
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
I remember watching a video on youtube in which soldier saying "Maggie Khate hain"...I'll dig out that link..Rahul M wrote:I remember reading in arrse that they get things like pulao and chicken, not maggi. the fellow said Indian soldiers were pretty happy with MREs unlike gora ones. may be RayC can clarify.Venkarl wrote: My guess----Maggie noodles and some chocolate bars or some DRDO high vitamin/protein packed food.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Anytime MisrajiMisraji wrote:Whoa ... thanks Venkarl for an that ....
Link: http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46
Regards,
Ashish
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
That was just a video about our regular forces on the IB in J&K who were working normally despite the area being blanketed in snow....I remember watching a video on youtube in which soldier saying "Maggie Khate hain"...I'll dig out that link..
Dont recall any SF guy mentioning Maggi specifically.....Guess, they are taught to live of the land with bare minimum MRE provided.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
I saw one video too in which troops on a night patrol cooks Maggi noodles (Atta one). But they were not SF. Regular Infantry guys.
Guess it was part of some series on young officers.
Guess it was part of some series on young officers.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
An SF Patrol/Unit is allowed to take a Maximum of 4 Days of Ration. (Even if he is expected to operate for longer). It happened very frequently in the Kargil war were the SF would head out and spend 2 weeks or mores doing Recce in the mountains with only 4 days of Rations.Dont recall any SF guy mentioning Maggi specifically.....Guess, they are taught to live of the land with bare minimum MRE provided.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
what would a typical 4day MRE weigh ? and what would these soldiers eat in kargil when the rations ran out ?
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
SF take MRE's (DRDO made) into combat. There are two set of MRE's. One for regular army and another set for Cold Weather operations (Mountains/Siachen). They also carry Very high energy products like Candy and Chocolate. If you are operating in stealth you cannot start cooking in the middle of your OP. Regular Jawans though do have the warm food available specially when they are moving in Battalion Strenght.what would a typical 4day MRE weigh ? and what would these soldiers eat in kargil when the rations ran out ?
If the ration runs out Specific Schools (Such as HAWS,CIJWS,etc) train soldiers in Identifying Vegetation/Wildlife that is easily edible to survive.
For Example an SF trooper (10SF) in the past has told me that the best Life saver in the Desert (specially on LRRP) is an Onion. When you run out of food and specially hydration you have one peel of the onion periodically and it gives you enough nutrition and hydration to keep you going. (Though your breath smells like a dogs arse after a day lol)
This is the Composition of an Indian MRE Package.
DRDO has also come up with a special self Heating thermal Pounch that heats the food internally without having to pull out a stove.Short Term Preserved Chapaties.
Preserved and Flavoured Chapaties.
Spiced Potato Parathas.
Besan Burfi.
Stabilised Chikki.
Fruit Bar.
Compressed Cereal Bar.
Nutri Food Bar.
High Protein Snacks
Sorgham flakes
Sorgham snacks
Canned upama
Canned Avial
Coconut burfee
Composite Breakfast Cereal
Emergency / Survival Bar.
Hurdle Technology Preserved Fruits.
Various Retort Pouch Processed Food Products.
Intermediate Moisture (IM) Fruits.
Vegetable Halwa.
Fruit Juice (Preserved)
Preserved Tender Coconut Water.
Egg Biscuits.
Seabuckthorn based products
Fiber rich biscuits
The Bottom link gives you the Full Spectrum of Foods developed by DRDO for the Armed Forces.
http://www.drdo.org/labs/dfrl/achievements.html
PhotoGallery of Above food
http://www.drdo.org/labs/dfrl/photo.html
-
- BRFite -Trainee
- Posts: 3
- Joined: 30 Aug 2008 07:05
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Hey Guys .. Im kinda new to this, however a very avid enthusiast when it comes to Indian Spec Ops. Im kinda curious about a new rifle that I spotted with some NSG/SPG protecting Narendra Modi. During his visit post Ahmedabad blasts to surat, one of the guards was holding what looked like an HK-416( I could be wrong) , foldable butt, fibre glass mag n all. Just wondering if anyone else has info on that rifle (But its surely not the Tavor or the FN-2000). The pics also appeared in DC( deccan chronicle) .. awaiting reply.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
NSG team studies Jammu encounter
A high level team of National Security Group (NSG) has arrived here to analyse Thursday’s encounter at Chinore in which 11 persons including all three fidayeens were killed.
The high level team of NSG officers will assess all operational details of the encounter right from Kanachak, where the militants had intruded, to culmination of the nearly 18 hour long gun-battle in a house at Chinore, official sources said.
They added that the NSG generally undertakes visits after such major encounters to upgrade its skills.
Meanwhile, police authorities have decided to hold a complete investigation-cum-inquiry into the encounter. The investigations will also find out the lacunaes, if any, on the part of police on the route taken by the militants from Kanachak to Chinore, official sources said.
Police have detained some suspects for questioning to bust over ground network of the militants.
A high level team of National Security Group (NSG) has arrived here to analyse Thursday’s encounter at Chinore in which 11 persons including all three fidayeens were killed.
The high level team of NSG officers will assess all operational details of the encounter right from Kanachak, where the militants had intruded, to culmination of the nearly 18 hour long gun-battle in a house at Chinore, official sources said.
They added that the NSG generally undertakes visits after such major encounters to upgrade its skills.
Meanwhile, police authorities have decided to hold a complete investigation-cum-inquiry into the encounter. The investigations will also find out the lacunaes, if any, on the part of police on the route taken by the militants from Kanachak to Chinore, official sources said.
Police have detained some suspects for questioning to bust over ground network of the militants.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Seabuckthorn based products
an excellent choice. it grows in ladakh and tibet I believe. a Leh Berry brand markets it
in tropicana type cartons. bit hard to find but great taste.
said to have good properties.
an excellent choice. it grows in ladakh and tibet I believe. a Leh Berry brand markets it
in tropicana type cartons. bit hard to find but great taste.
said to have good properties.
-
- BRFite -Trainee
- Posts: 3
- Joined: 30 Aug 2008 07:05
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Got it! Here it is the best i cud muster .. its kinda fuzzy but try to make out somehow ... its the guy on the left front ... wuts the weapon hes holding???[img][IMG]http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8131/modixm5.th.jpg[/img][/img]
-
- BRFite -Trainee
- Posts: 3
- Joined: 30 Aug 2008 07:05
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Hey Guys .. Im kinda new to this, however a very avid enthusiast when it comes to Indian Spec Ops. Im kinda curious about a new rifle that I spotted with some NSG/SPG protecting Narendra Modi. During his visit post Ahmedabad blasts to surat, one of the guards was holding what looked like an HK-416( I could be wrong) , foldable butt, fibre glass mag n all. Just wondering if anyone else has info on that rifle (But its surely not the Tavor or the FN-2000). The pics also appeared in DC( deccan chronicle) .. awaiting reply.
Buddy i know exactly which pic you are talking about . I have tried scanning it twice with no luck (the ToI mumbai ed had it in colour).
The Gun in question looks very much like the SIG SG-550 Assault rifle
or the Gun could be one of those new INSAS derivatives that has the folding stock.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
NOt an INSAS by any means. Most likely SSG-550
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
struggled to find it in Mumbai and Pune, but easy enough in Kolkata. You can get the pure berry juice or mixed with orange, mango, apple, etc. very tasty indeed, and very refreshingSingha wrote:Seabuckthorn based products
an excellent choice. it grows in ladakh and tibet I believe. a Leh Berry brand markets it
in tropicana type cartons. bit hard to find but great taste.
said to have good properties.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Army special forces were intrumental in resolving the recent hostage crisis in Jammu. Seems they were flown in from Chandigarh. Guess they prefer their own boys rather than call in the NSG....
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 419093.cmshttp://www.timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=14701
...
Army's Special Forces shot dead the last of the three suspected LeT militants early today. "The operation is over. Our Special Forces have killed the third militant early today," army spokesman Lieutenant Colonel SD Goswami told.
...
A blow-by-blow account of the Jammu hostage drama
29 Aug 2008, 0241 hrs IST,TNN
Wednesday, 4.30am : Three militants, who apparently sneaked into the Indian side from Pakistan in Akhnoor sector on Monday night, leave for Jammu in an auto-rickshaw
5.00am : At Mishriwalla on Akhnoor Road, they open fire at an army post. As the troops return fire, the trio drive towards Domana
5.10am : Just 50 metres short of the Domana police station, militants open fire on an Army checkpost, killing V V Parkasha, a JCO of 9 Madras Rifles
5.35am : Approaching Chinore, the militants fire at Joginder Kumar, a police sportsman jogging on the road
5.50am : The trio arrives at Chinore Chowk and opens fire near a school, killing Vijay Kumar. Then they shoot
ex-Subedar Naseeb Singh in a narrow lane and enter maize fields at the end of the lane
5.55am : After crossing the fields, they barge into the house of Billu Ram Bhagat and take hostage his old mother, wife, and 4 children, and two other persons
6.15am : Jammu SP (Operations) Joginder Singh, along with a contingent of the Special operations Group (SoG), reach the spot
7.55am : BSF troops also arrive at the spot. The security forces cordon off the area by laying barbed wire
8.00-8.30am : A terrorist comes out of a room on the second floor to assess the situation. He is gunned down by troops. Other two militants open indiscriminate fire on troops from inside the house
9.00am : Intermittent fire from the house suddenly stops
10.30am : Police, security forces evacuate civilians, including women and children, from nearby houses in area
1.00pm : The two remaining militants resume firing on the police and security forces at intermittent intervals
1.30pm : Army asks terrorist to surrender, but they respond by opening fire again
5.30pm : Terrorists fire nearly a dozen shots on the troops from inside the house. Security forces retaliate
5.32pm : Firing once again stops and security forces continue to lay siege to the house as the militants refuse to release the six hostages trapped in the house
6.30pm : Terrorists fire 9 rounds again. Forces retaliate
8.30pm : IGP K Rajindera confirms the killing of second terrorist. One militant remains holed up inside the house with hostages
9.00pm : Army pulls up the body of the second terrorist to the roof of the house
Thursday, 12.00am : GOC Tiger Division D L Choudhary confirms the death of the third and last terrorist
1.30am : GOC Choudhary confirms that all the hostages, including four siblings and their mother, are safe
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
maybe they asked and the psec owned HM mantriji rejected it saying it would send
'wrong signals' and 'disturb the secular atmosphere'. so they went back and used their
own resources.
'wrong signals' and 'disturb the secular atmosphere'. so they went back and used their
own resources.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Highly probable since the HM has to approve the use of NSG(im guessing).... /sarc offmaybe they asked and the psec owned HM mantriji rejected it saying it would send
'wrong signals' and 'disturb the secular atmosphere'. so they went back and used their
own resources.
If the NSG is mostly staffed by the army, why wouldnt you use the force which has been raised for this specific purpose?
Isnt this a jurisdiction violation?
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Well all army men (and policemen) are on 'deputation' to NSG so technically army cannot mobilize NSG unless the damned politicians approve it. Maybe they should do what Singha suggested...spin off SRG as a separate holding force (perhaps share adjacent facilities in Manesar and definitely cross train like hell...otherwise you end up with Rangers/Delta scenario in Mogadishu)....keep SAG and perhaps put it under Army command. I used to hear rumblings about a JSOC type organization for India....no idea why it never took off?? usual turf war between the services or our netas are too spineless??
In Paki army, it is not called a Ghillie suit rather it is ubiquitously known as a Billie suit since on seeing TFTA Pakiban ghazis approach, the purekhans in SSG start pissing into it like cats (and smell like that onlee).
In Paki army, it is not called a Ghillie suit rather it is ubiquitously known as a Billie suit since on seeing TFTA Pakiban ghazis approach, the purekhans in SSG start pissing into it like cats (and smell like that onlee).
sum wrote: Highly probable since the HM has to approve the use of NSG(im guessing).... /sarc off
If the NSG is mostly staffed by the army, why wouldnt you use the force which has been raised for this specific purpose?
Isnt this a jurisdiction violation?
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Folks - the title of this thread is "Indian Special Forces". Not Pakistani or any other. I have deleted a whole lot of OT posts.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
friends,
One of my friend appeared SSB for NAVY General service executive/hydro cadre. His aim is to become a MARCO. He thought of getting selected as executive officer and then appear for MARCO. But unfortunately he was recommended for HYDRO cadre. Is there any chance of joining now as a HYDRO officer and later on switching to the MARCO??? Is it possible??
One of my friend appeared SSB for NAVY General service executive/hydro cadre. His aim is to become a MARCO. He thought of getting selected as executive officer and then appear for MARCO. But unfortunately he was recommended for HYDRO cadre. Is there any chance of joining now as a HYDRO officer and later on switching to the MARCO??? Is it possible??
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
As far as I know, anyone who meets the fitness standards can apply to become a MARCO. Engineers, Executive, whatever.
Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Dude, the charts produced by the Navy's Hydrographers are going to be really tough to read if your pal wants to qualify as a MARCOS.sakthi wrote:friends,
One of my friend appeared SSB for NAVY General service executive/hydro cadre. His aim is to become a MARCO. He thought of getting selected as executive officer and then appear for MARCO. But unfortunately he was recommended for HYDRO cadre. Is there any chance of joining now as a HYDRO officer and later on switching to the MARCO??? Is it possible??
Re: MARCOS & NSG ops in Mumbai Attack (News and Pics ONLY)
I thought the MP5 is 9mm and the MP-7 is the new 4.7mm. Am I missing something here. I did not see any MP-7sRaja Bose wrote:
While the commandos are not supposed to carry refreshments during such operations, they had MP-5 guns with a bore of around 4.7 mm, AK series assault rifles, Automatic Grenade Launchers (AGL's), Under Barrel Grenade Launcher (UBGL) magazines and handful of grenades.
If there were 8 at the Taj how many at Oberoi and Nariman house 2 each. doesn't add up. Is the govt again pulling a stunt here over aam janta.NSG commandos relive anti-terrorist operations
'During the operation at the Taj, we saw there were more than 8 terrorists. However, we do not know how many civilians were trapped in the building.
Tactics and weapons:
'The idea of the terrorists was to continue fighting for as long as possible. They too were aware that their battle could be on only until they had hostages as human shields. They had with them AK-47s and hand grenades and it looked like they had a lot of ammunition on them.
'All through the battle they tried to keep us away from them. We also do not rule out that they were even trying to bring the building down by starting fires all over. We had at our disposal a host of automatic weapons and stun grenades, which we used with great effect to scare and disorient the terrorists.
No disrespect to the NSG and marcos.
just questioning the govt figures
-
- BRFite
- Posts: 997
- Joined: 26 Jun 2000 11:31
Re: MARCOS & NSG ops in Mumbai Attack (News and Pics ONLY)
What is the gun lying on the ground, does not seem like INSAS version or even Mp-5. Seems like Sig 550 versionAditya G wrote:Very interesting picture. SLR being used for sniping:
NSG or MARCOS?
Re: MARCOS & NSG ops in Mumbai Attack (News and Pics ONLY)
MP5 with double magazine
Raj Malhotra wrote:What is the gun lying on the ground, does not seem like INSAS version or even Mp-5. Seems like Sig 550 versionAditya G wrote:Very interesting picture. SLR being used for sniping:
NSG or MARCOS?
Re: MARCOS & NSG ops in Mumbai Attack (News and Pics ONLY)
Has anyone compiled a list of the Army units/regiments that participated in these operations?
Re: MARCOS & NSG ops in Mumbai Attack (News and Pics ONLY)
But doesn't that appear longer than an MP_5? the magazine is also wider and shorter than an MP-5MP5 with double magazine
Re: MARCOS & NSG ops in Mumbai Attack (News and Pics ONLY)
SIG SG-552 commando carbine.