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darshhan wrote:Drevin,Such research has been started by DARPA.however it is still in its preliminary stages.The first phase will study the feasibility of such a concept.By the way I haven't heard of any other country doing this kind of project.For more info.

http://www.afcea.org/signal/articles/te ... zoneid=204
darshhan, DARPA has moved fast. updated info on supercavitation sub.
But if everything goes according to plan, the Underwater Express will speed along at 100 knots, allowing the delivery of men and materiel faster than ever.

The DARPA program, first announced in 2006, has finally reached the testing phase. Electric Boat, the company contracted to design the Underwater Express, is producing a quarter-scale model of the speedy sub, to be tested next year off the coast of Rhode Island.

If next year's tests work out, Electric Boat will begin assembly on a full-sized, 100-foot-long Underwater Express.

The sub utilizes the phenomenon known as supercavitation.
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News of the USN's UUVs already in service with their subs,especially their Ohio ex-SSBNs,now SSGNs.The recoverable "aerial" UUV has already been featured in earlier media articles.

http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation ... yed-drones
In an oddly revealing interview, Rear Admiral Mark Kenny, the head of the Navy's irregular warfare operations, not only stated that the Navy's submarines have been equipped with unmanned vehicles, but even detailed which vehicles and how they are used.

According to Kenny, four submarines, whose nuclear missiles had already been removed to make room for more conventional weapons and Navy SEAL deployment chambers, are now underway with both aquatic and aerial robots. In particular, Kenny singled out a torpedo-sized robot used for electronic eavesdropping; a small, 45-pound UAV that may one day carry weapons like its larger cousins; and an ultralight 15-pound UAV that relays video and radio traffic back to a command center aboard the sub.

Kenny said that this trend is on the rise, with more subs trading out their nuclear weapons for easily deployed robots.
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Drevin , this is truly amazing.I never thought that they will be so fast.So it seems that the supercavitation principle is scalable to submarines.Private enterprise at its best.Now the only constraint will be funding.

I think they will first use this technology for special ops subs(seal transport) and UUVs.SSNs and SSBNs utilising this technology will require much more time.What do you think?Also mark my words this will have some civilian applications as well.

I sincerely hope Indian govt learns some lessons from it and starts trusting private sector more.
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Drevin , if you are interested in recreational and explorational submarines this is the best thing to happen in quite some time.

http://www.gizmag.com/go/1890/

Capable of venturing till 37000 ft.You can also visit their website.

www.deepflight.com
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darshhan wrote:I think they will first use this technology for special ops subs(seal transport) and UUVs.SSNs and SSBNs utilising this technology will require much more time.What do you think?Also mark my words this will have some civilian applications as well.
Yes darshhanji! Thats why its being run as a proof-of-concept with pvt industry. I have no idea of implications from this, but all your predictions look very valid. I am sure eventually this will have military applications. Expect Russia to lead the way for the eastern world. Afterall the shkval was perfected by them. In any case its fun reading for us civvies.

Propelling a sub through a mass of self-generated air bubbles seems fun ..... Also i have you to thank for pointing me in the right direction. :)
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Russian military plans to resume Bulava missile tests in August
"Everything depends on the conclusions reached by an investigation commission," Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin said, adding that the probe could be finalized as early as next week.
Popovkin said more work has to be done to correct flaws in the Bulava's development, but that there was no alternative to the missile for a number of reasons.
"We have no choice - we already have one [Borey class] submarine, and have laid down more, so to start a new R&D project would be unrealistic," the official said.
"A submarine costs about 60 billion rubles [about $2 bln], and the development of a new missile would cost up to 30 billion rubles [$1 bln] - these are serious expenses."
A Borei costs ~ $2 Billion :shock:
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Further disater for Oz's sub fleet,after its sole Collins class sub operational breaks down!

The Collins class subs built by Kockums of Sweden were a very ambitious design demanded by Oz,that because of the modificatiosn to the original deisgn were plagued with problems.Described as being as noisy as an "underwater rock concert",the 6 subs were further modified at the cost of billions by the US.At the foot of the sail a little "tusk" was added to streamline the hull and the combat centre was reportedly completely changed.The Oz defence establishment want a futher 12 new subs,with some calling even for nuclear powered subs to counter China and....India.That too,when the Oz navy can only operate a single sub despite having a submarine crew force of about 70% of manpower required and are paying a sub cook more than an admiral! Now that its only serving seaworthy sub has conked out,OZ has no subs operational at all! Will Oz now recruit kangaroos into its navy? Alternatively it could outsource its sub fleet to the IN!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009 ... =australia
Navy submarine breaks down
By Jason Om

Posted Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:22pm AEST
Updated Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:15pm AEST


The Defence Department says HMAS Collins is being repaired in Adelaide. (ABC News)

Video: Repairs needed for Collins submarine (ABC News) Map: Adelaide 5000
The Navy's submarine fleet has struck more problems, with one submarine taken in for repairs.

The Defence Department says HMAS Collins is being repaired in Adelaide, but will not say why it broke down.

Neil James from the Australia Defence Association says the submarine had engine trouble during training south of the Great Australian Bight.

"I understand it's got something to do with the propulsion," he said.

"We just have to wait and see
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US Congress Wants to Name Next Aircraft Carrier USS Barry M Goldwater

Hmm, Goldwater was just a senator who failed in his bid for the whitehouse, although one with appealing Libertarian values. He was also a major general in the USAF. I certainly like the politics he stoof for, but I hardly see that he deserves to have a CVN named after him.
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Sanjay M wrote:US Congress Wants to Name Next Aircraft Carrier USS Barry M Goldwater

Hmm, Goldwater was just a senator who failed in his bid for the whitehouse, although one with appealing Libertarian values. He was also a major general in the USAF. I certainly like the politics he stoof for, but I hardly see that he deserves to have a CVN named after him.
Wikipedia wrote:The Goldwater-Nichols Department of Defense Reorganization Act of 1986 Pub.L. 99-433 reworked the command structure of the United States military.
Goldwater-Nichols Act
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Russian Subs Patrolling Off East Coast of U.S
According to Defense Department officials, one of the Russian submarines remained in international waters on Tuesday about 200 miles off the coast of the United States. The location of the second remained unclear. One senior official said the second submarine traveled south in recent days toward Cuba, while another senior official with access to reports on the surveillance mission said it had sailed away in a northerly direction.
The official said the Navy was able to track the submarines as they made their way through international waters off the American coastline. This can be done from aircraft, ships, underwater sensors or other submarines.

One of the submarines is the newer Akula II, officials said, which is quieter than the older variant and the most advanced in the Russian fleet.
“We’ve known where they were, and we’re not concerned about our ability to track the subs,” the official added. “We’re concerned just because they are there.”
more from Ria

U.S. tracks unexpected Russian subs off east coast

A U.S. military expert told the paper that it was probably 15 years since two submarines had carried out such a patrol.

That assessment was rejected by a high-ranking Russian Navy source, who told RIA Novosti that the submarines' presence near U.S. waters was not unusual as Russian vessels had never stopped patrolling the world's ocean.

"Even during the fleet's most difficult times in the mid-1990s, Russian submarines put to sea on active alert for patrols. This practice continues to this day," the official said.

The Russian Navy has been more active in recent years, increasing its presence on the world's oceans and carrying out exercises with foreign navies, including in Venezuela last December.
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This is more of politics of the thing then real threat , it is very common for US , UK submarine to visit Russian back waters for intel gathering purpose , in the same way Russian submarine SSN/SSGN do patrol along US East and West coast , its pretty much an open secret.

If they detect the presence of each other , they just do a hello ping and then they get their message , in worst case they ram into each other like it happened for Sierra and USS Baton Rouge.

The last time the US made such public noise was in mid 90's when Oscar 2 and Akula was spotted along US West and East coast , prompting concern among US Congress and Senators and USN rightly demanding more funding for NSSN program and ASW effort.

These selective leaks are more to garner funding support for the USN new pet project under Co-ordinated ASW program , expect more decibel in weeks ahead on Russian submarin threat and containment policy for it.
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china seems to have worst location wrt access to the open sea. hemmed
in by powerful asw/sub armed neigbours like russia, japan and khan flooding the pacific with subs of various hues. to reach IOR only
two narrow straits in indonesia.

there is series deep water in western pacific east of philipines and japan
but a mass of khan subs would prowl that region. most of khan's
underwater collisions happen against submerged mountains there.

ok for launching at india I suppose. but vs khan they are better off
launching from dockside.

india has the worlds best location for SSBN ops. an area 10 times the
size of our country to disappear into.
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OT perhaps, but, India needs her string of underwater pearls. A must.
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More on this , Interesting and hilarious was CNN view on this incident yesterday , he mentioned that Akula was being leased by India and this was suppose to be a PR exercise by Russia to promote its sale :eek:

“Russian subs near US waters is normal procedure” – Russian Navy
“Our Navy should not be idling its time away and it is not only about fighting piracy or other international campaigns,” said Colonel General Anatoly Nagovitsyn, deputy chief of Russian Armed Forces General Staff. “It is a normal process, and those who make statements are pretty well aware of that.”
Admiral Igor Kasatonov, former first deputy commander of the Russian Navy told Interfax that the presence of submarines near each others’ waters is routine practice.

“US submarines nearly enter our territorial waters near the Kola Peninsula when they receive such a task, and we always detect this,” he said. “We do not motivate these things politically, but only watch for the observance of security and environmental precautions.”
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"Normal service resumed",reminiscient of Cold War days.That should bring back smiles to many US submariners who have got bored with the "war on terror".This is the real thing,they say,the cat and mouse game of undersea warfare.There has been many a toast to Vladimir Putin for making it possible to resume the chessgame under the sea.It's all a game really,nothing to worry about and it will gladden the hearts of Electric Boat management and shareholders.

Incidentally,the USN has been using a Swedish Gotland AIP sub for some time in anti-sub exrcises to simulate ASW warfare against diesel subs in a littoral environment.The sub was reported to have "sunk several times",the USN's CBG,the Ronald Reagan.The sub's lease is being extended for another year.Here is a site with more fascinating news on the subject,interviews with the sub's captain too.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... hp?t=94929

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... te]Nuclear submarines off US coast 'nothing to worry about' says Russia
(EPA)
Vladimir Putin took a ride in a submarine to the bottom of Lake Baikal in Siberia this week

Nico Hines

Moscow accused the United States of hysteria today after reports that Russian nuclear submarines were patrolling off the East Coast of America.

Russian officials responded vehemently to accusations that they were dabbling in Cold War-style cat-and-mouse manoeuvring but did not deny that two vessels had entered international waters just 200 miles of the US coast.

“Activities of Russian submarines in the world’s oceans outside their own waters do not violate international maritime law and are within normal practice,” a military-diplomatic source told the Russian state media.

US defence and intelligence officials told the New York Times that two Akula class nuclear-powered submarines had approached the US a few days after Vladmir Putin was photographed testing a Russian submarine during his holiday in Siberia.

The Russian military source said that Moscow would not comment on the location of its fleet and suggested that the US should also refrain from discussing their whereabouts.

“The Russian navy systematically pinpoints the location of NATO submarines, including US Navy submarines, in direct proximity to the territorial waters of the Russian Federation," the official said.

“This however has never been a reason to make a lot of noise in the press... consequently, any hysteria in such a case is inappropriate."

US officials claimed that the Pentagon is concerned by the first such military move in more than a decade.

The episode does not appear to pose any immediate threat to the United States, but it echoes the Soviet and US military tit-for-tat measures taken during the Cold War when Moscow and Washington routinely sent submarines towards one another’s coasts to gather intelligence and track fleet movements.

A senior US Defence Department official said: “Any time the Russian Navy does something so out of the ordinary it is cause for worry.

“We’ve known where they were and we’re not concerned about our ability to track the subs,” said the official. “We’re concerned just because they are there."

Norman Polmar, a naval historian and submarine warfare expert, said: “I don’t think they’ve put two first-line nuclear subs off the US coast in about 15 years."

While Pentagon officials declined to speculate about what weapons may be aboard the vessels, the submarines are not considered to be among the larger Russian submarines that can launch nuclear missiles.
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Oz to build 12 new subs in the future.

Australia Begins Search for Submarine Designers
SYDNEY - Australian Defence Minister Sen. John Faulkner announced Aug. 6 that Canberra will call for tenders in the near future to carry out a design study for the Royal Australian Navy's Future Submarine project, code-named Sea 1000.

The 12-boat program is expected to be the most expensive defense procurement undertaken by Australia, with estimates ranging up to 20 billion Australian dollars ($16.8 billion).
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how are they going to pay for this wishlist? making a custom one of a kind
design is always costly and getting more so. plus the general weakness of
australian domestic industry means lot of items will need to be imported from america.

prediction:- they will be taken to cleaners as in the collins deal.

it will start with a bang and end with a whimper as their Aegis DDG plans,
cruise missiles and F22 demands.

they are better off begging the US to refuel some to-be-retired 688I subs
with a new reactor and play around that.
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Russia in talks on buying French warship
A Mistral class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles including 13 main battle tanks, and 450 soldiers. The ship is equipped with a 69-bed hospital.
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Singha wrote:how are they going to pay for this wishlist? making a custom one of a kind
design is always costly and getting more so. plus the general weakness of
australian domestic industry means lot of items will need to be imported from america.

prediction:- they will be taken to cleaners as in the collins deal.

it will start with a bang and end with a whimper as their Aegis DDG plans,
cruise missiles and F22 demands.

they are better off begging the US to refuel some to-be-retired 688I subs
with a new reactor and play around that.

As I had said in another context (Cricket), Aussies are the new Pakis :P
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Yuri Dolgoruky returning to Severodvinsk after first round of sea trials ( via Otaku )

YD Pictures
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Philip wrote:

Incidentally,the USN has been using a Swedish Gotland AIP sub for some time in anti-sub exrcises to simulate ASW warfare against diesel subs in a littoral environment.The sub was reported to have "sunk several times",the USN's CBG,the Ronald Reagan.The sub's lease is being extended for another year.Here is a site with more fascinating news on the subject,interviews with the sub's captain too.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... hp?t=94929
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Austin wrote:Yuri Dolgoruky returning to Severodvinsk after first round of sea trials ( via Otaku )

YD Pictures
What is the big sub and small sub
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Big one is a Typhoon. Smaller one is the YD.
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Austin wrote:
The last time the US made such public noise was in mid 90's when Oscar 2 and Akula was spotted along US West and East coast , prompting concern among US Congress and Senators and USN rightly demanding more funding for NSSN program and ASW effort.
An american friend who is indirectly connected to the agencies showed panic when the news of Russian navy exercise with Venezuela was reported. The whole of Americas is considered USN backwater and any intrusion is never taken lightly. This deep fear is still there even after the fall of the SU and it is never going to go away.
It is the vulnerability and the loss of hegemony in their own backyard which hits the pride very much.
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44 minute documentary on the "Severstal" Typhoon SSBN from German TV.

http://rapidshare.com/files/1430969/typ ... l.avi.html
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Big one is a Typhoon. Smaller one is the YD.
Damn, that Typhoon makes the YD/Borei look like some puny little thing....one heck of a monstrosity these Typhoons are. IIRC, these submarines have pressure hulls of two Delta Class submarines parallel to each other in the main body of the submarine.... :shock:
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first boat aiming to circumnavigate the globe purely on solar power
The point of this boat isn't to set world records, it's to get the new technologies across, and those technologies aren't directed at businesses, but at consumers, yacht owners mainly.

Current yachts burn huge amounts of fuel, and sails aren't all that conventional on a superyacht. Although, I'm not quite sure of how they plan on using the solar panels on current yachts, maybe if it was to be put in during the design phase.
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:eek: http://www.fotoglif.com/f/c7dsxkvfjavs/m0tz8ojnk0gq

Even with the optical illusion of being in the foreground hence appearing larger than the Typhoon, it still looks like a toddler standing next to an adult.
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bart wrote::eek: http://www.fotoglif.com/f/c7dsxkvfjavs/m0tz8ojnk0gq

Even with the optical illusion of being in the foreground hence appearing larger than the Typhoon, it still looks like a toddler standing next to an adult.
Paranoid solution for a paranoid society.

The Typhoon has nearly a displacement ~ 24500T plus surfaced and ~ 48,000T submerged , it has 5 internal pressure hulls and can survive even if 2 pressure hull are completely submerged in water , has a reserve buoyancy of ~ 47 %.

The crew comfort is the best even for 160 plus crew of any Soviet/Russian submarine , it can remain submerged for 4 months and in emergency it can be extended to 6 months , it can rip through 3 m of ice and has successfully demonstrated breaking through 2.5 m of ice and firing its SLBM.

Surprisingly for its size it was more maneuverable than the 2nd line Delta 4 SSBN
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Gerard wrote:44 minute documentary on the "Severstal" Typhoon SSBN from German TV.

http://rapidshare.com/files/1430969/typ ... l.avi.html
What is that background tune that kicks in at around 37 min?
Sounded familiar
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Britain to sign deal for biggest ever aircraft carriers
A deal to build Britain's biggest ever aircraft carriers is expected to be sealed today.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2239552 ... riers.html
Excerpt:
By Graham Tibbetts
Published: 8:30AM BST 03 Jul 2008

The Ministry of Defence is poised to sign contracts worth around £3 billion for two 65,000-ton ships.

The Queen Elizabeth and the Prince of Wales will be built at Govan in Glasgow and Rosyth in Fife, as well as Portsmouth and Barrow-in-Furness in Cumbria.

Measuring more than 300 yards in length, the ships will have a flight deck the size of three football pitches and space for 40 aeroplanes.

They will be similar in size to the QE2 and are more than three times the size of the existing Invincible-class carriers.

Each vessel will have a crew of 1,450 sailors and airmen.

The building of the two aircraft carriers is expected to secure a total of 10,000 jobs across Britain. They are due to come into service in 2014 and 2016.

At first the ships will carry the ageing Harrier jump jet before switching to the new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft once it becomes ready.
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Russia shortlisted for submarine contract with Indonesia
"Of the four bidders for the submarines, Russia and South Korea have reached the final round, passing France and Germany," Admiral Tedjo Edhy Purdijatno said.

Russia's bid is the Project 636 diesel-electric submarine (export agent Rosoboronexport) while South Korea's is the U-209 sub manufactured by Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering under German license.

"One of the principal conditions [of the contract] is, among other things, the transfer of technology," Purdijatno said.
PS: Just add a Klub LACM and the balance shifts in favour of Kilo , 636 is a great submarine.
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Austin wrote:Russia shortlisted for submarine contract with Indonesia
"One of the principal conditions [of the contract] is, among other things, the transfer of technology," Purdijatno said.
I guess the Australians will be relieved by the arrival of the Poseidon P-8As around 2016.
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Chinese ski-jump sighted! PLAN plans for its carrier forces emerge.Varyag renaamed "Shi Lang",after Chinese general who invaded Taiwan!

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htnava ... 90812.aspx

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Chinese Ski Jump Spotted
August 12, 2009: The wonders of digital photography (on the ground and from commercial satellites) provide evidence that China is testing the use of its Su-30 aircraft and a ski ramp type carrier deck design. China is expected to have an operational carrier soon, and it will be one using a ski ramp (instead of a steam catapult). It was suspected that there was a ski ramp training facility somewhere, now it's been located, in Xian-Yanliang. What's strange about this is the altitude of this airbase; nearly 500 meters (rather than sea level.) Then again, Xian-Yanliang is a windy place, which allows testing of the stationary ski ramp built there, with winds typical of what would be encountered when the carrier turned into the wind for the commencement of aircraft launching operations.

Late last year, China announced that its first class of carrier aviators had begun training at the Dalian Naval Academy. The naval officers will undergo a four year course of instruction to turn them into fighter pilots capable of operating off a carrier. The Russians have warned China that it may take them a decade or more to develop the knowledge and skills needed to efficiently run an aircraft carrier. The Chinese are game, and are slogging forward.

Earlier this year, the Russian aircraft carrier Varyag was renamed the Shi Lang (after the Chinese general who took possession of Taiwan in 1681, the first time China ever paid any attention to the island) and given the pennant number 83. The Chinese have been refurbishing the Varyag, one of the Kuznetsov class that Russia began building in the 1980s, for several years now. It is expected to be ready for sea trials by the end of the year.

The Varyag has been tied up in a Chinese shipyard at Dailan since 2002. While the ship is under guard, it can be seen from a nearby highway. From that vantage point, local military and naval buffs have noted that some kind of work is being done on the ship. The only visible signs of this work are a new paint job (in the gray shade used by the Chinese navy) and ongoing work on the superstructure (particularly the tall island on the flight deck.) Many workers can be seen on the ship, and material is seen going into (new stuff) and out of (old stuff) the ship. The new contracts are believed to be for more equipment for the Varyag, in addition to the non-custom stuff already going into the ship.

Originally the Kuznetsovs were conceived of as 90,000 ton, nuclear powered ships, similar to American carriers (complete with steam catapults). Instead, because of the cost, and the complexity of modern (American style) carriers, the Russians were forced to scale back their goals, and ended up with the 65,000 ton (full load ) ships that lacked steam catapults, and used a ski jump type flight deck instead. Nuclear power was dropped, but the Kuznetsov class was still a formidable design. The thousand foot long carrier normally carries a dozen navalized Su-27s (called Su-33s), 14 Ka-27PL anti-submarine helicopters, two electronic warfare helicopters and two search and rescue helicopters. But the ship can carry up to 36 Su-33s and sixteen helicopters. The ship carries 2,500 tons of aviation fuel, allowing it to generate 500-1,000 aircraft and helicopter sorties. Crew size is 2,500 (or 3,000 with a full aircraft load.) Only two ships of this class exist; the original Kuznetsov, which is in Russian service, and the Varyag. Currently, the Kuznetsov is operating in the Mediterranean.

The Chinese have been in touch with Russian naval construction firms, and may have purchased plans and technology for equipment installed in the Kuznetsov. Some Chinese leaders have quipped about having a carrier by 2010 (this would have to be a refurbished Varyag). Even that would be an ambitious schedule, and the Chinese have been burned before when they tried to build new military technology in a hurry.
2.PLAN acquires Russian designed Zubr ACVs from Ukraine,"stealing" the design fro later locla production .These 100KM speed ACvs which can carry 3 tanks/500 troops,etc.,are idela for its coastal waters and anyt action against Taiwan.

PS:In the sane site,details are given of an attempt to steal 4 Russisn MIG-31s for $5 each! No prizes for guessing who might be responsible to me!
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The hijacked Russian cargo vessel,laden with "timber' may have a secret cargo aboard .

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 71390.html
Missing ship may have secret cargo

A secret cargo and not just timber may be on board a missing ship whose last known radio contact was with British Coastguards, it has been suggested.

Russia's navy fleet and two nuclear submarines have been scrambled as efforts intensified to locate the Maltese-flagged Arctic Sea and its 15-strong Russian crew.

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Experts and marine authorities continue to be baffled that the 4,000-tonne vessel "disappeared" after its last official recorded positioning off northern France on July 30.

Mikhail Voitenko, editor of Russia's Sovfracht maritime bulletin, said the ship, carrying about £1 million-worth of sawn timber from Finland to Algeria, might have been targeted because it was also loaded with an unknown cargo.

He told the Russia Today news channel: "The only sensible answer is that the vessel was loaded secretly with something we don't know anything about. We have to remember that before loading in Finland the vessel stayed for two weeks in a shipyard in Kaliningrad. I'm sure it cannot be drugs or illegal criminal cargo. I think it is something much more expensive and dangerous."

The Arctic Sea made routine radio contact with Dover Coastguard as it was about to enter the Strait of Dover from the North Sea at 1.52pm on July 28. Days later Interpol informed the British Coastguard that the ship had been hijacked days before in the Baltic Sea.

According to reports, it was boarded by up to 10 armed men purporting to be anti-drugs police on July 24. Some 12 hours later, the intruders apparently left the ship on a high-speed inflatable boat and allowed the vessel to continue on its passage but with its communications equipment damaged.

By the time Interpol alerted Dover Coastguard about the apparent hijacking, the Arctic Sea had already passed through the English Channel, UK Coastguards said.

The ship failed to reach its destination at Bejaia in northern Algeria on August 4, as a supposed crew member on board the vessel told Dover Coastguard when radio contact was made.

It was last recorded on the AISLive ship tracking system off the coast of Brest, northern France, just before 1.30am on July 30, but its whereabouts now remains a mystery.
PS:Russia expands bases in Abkhazia

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/au ... ry-tension
US-Russia stand-off looms as Moscow announces expansion of military basesRussian plans to construct a Black Sea naval base in Georgian breakaway republic of Abkhazia threaten heightened tension
Tom Parfitt in Moscow

The prospect of a US-Russian naval stand-off in the Black Sea loomed today after Vladimir Putin announced that Moscow would spend nearly half a billion dollars next year beefing up military bases in Georgia's breakaway republic of Abkhazia.

Much of the money is expected to fund construction of a new naval base in the Abkhaz town of Ochamchira, within striking distance of Georgia's Poti and Batumi ports, which have been regularly visited by US warships since the war in Georgia last summer. An existing Russian airbase further north in Gudauta is also likely to be enlarged.

"We will allot a very large amount of money — 15-16bn roubles (£300,000) — for the development of our military base and strengthening of Abkhazia's state border, next year," the Russian prime minister told reporters at his summer residence in Sochi, ahead of a surprise visit to the Moscow-backed republic today. "This is an additional and serious guarantee of the security of Abkhazia and South Ossetia," he added.

Nato is increasingly nervous at Russia expanding its military reach beyond its borders and expressed "concern" earlier this year over reports that Russia planned to increase its military footprint in Abkhazia. Only Russia and Nicaragua have recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent and under international law the construction of bases on what is officially Georgian territory will be illegal. Tbilisi has said it will protest against the plans "at every international level".

However, both breakaway republics have been de facto independent for more than 15 years and the Kremlin has made it clear it will sign bilateral agreements with them as "partner states", as it sees fit. A deal on military and economic co-operation was signed with both regions, in November last year.

In a recent analysis of the situation, Ariel Cohen, an analyst with the US Heritage Foundation, wrote: "With additional warships, fighter aircraft, and military personnel near the Black Sea coast of Georgia, Russia is challenging the position of the United States, which has recently signed a strategic partnership charter with Tbilisi."

He added: "In the summer of 2008, American warships were still able to enter Georgian waters to deliver humanitarian aid for the war victims. The question is: What will happen in the future? Could there be a US-Russian naval stand-off in the Black Sea some day?"

About 1,000 Russian troops are currently based in Abkhazia. It was unclear whether Putin's announcement envisaged a significant troop build-up. Last year, Moscow said it would increase the number to 3,700 but later scaled that down.

It is thought that Russia may envisage Ochamchira as a future home for its Black Sea fleet, which is currently based on Ukrainian territory. Ukraine says it will not renew the lease after it ends in 2017.
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US gifts Pak a warship,Perry class FFG with ASW eqpt.and a $65million refurbishment,..."to fight pirates".Ha!Ha!

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?sect ... icle=64056
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the tailfin of taifun looks bigger than borei sail...the sail of taifun is like a small apartment building. :rotfl:

gotta love whoever designed it...salute...no compromises soln.
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PRC seems to have built and put in service around 40 of their catamaran stealth FACs armed with 4 missiles in inclined integrated box housings. allegedly waterjet propulsion and 40 knots speed.

not sure how good they would handle in rough sea but for semi enclosed waters like yellow sea , around the koreas they should be ok.

quite a impressive production rate.
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