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I have difference of opinion with some of the points made by Mr. Karnad. He mentions that the MiG-23 was purchased by IAF when they were given choice of purchasing TU-22M. MiG-23 was purchased was a knee jerk reaction to purchase of F-16’s by Pakistan Air Force.
In one of my meetings Bharat Karnad mentioned the IAF lack of strategic comprehension where he talked of procuring shortlegged Mig27 bomber when given a choice of purchasing TU-22M. Not sure if Mig-23 and Mig-27 got interchanged in communication/reporting during his last week's book release.

Back then US arming of Pakistan with nuclear weapons and F-16 was hugely destabilizing to Indian position. GoI opened the coffers to IAF, and USSR opened their armory. IAF went for Mig-23 fighter to barely shore up against F16; but there was also the issue of strike aircrafts, and with edge blunted by F-16 vs Mig-23, India could recover/trade the air dominance with strike capability through the length and depth of Pakistan, and the choice IAF made looked like their vision did not go beyond mud moving around Lahore, Rawalpindi and Sargodha. IMO IAF totally lost their wits in not making right choice when all money and resourced were made available. The moon was for asking, they chose only Mig-23 when they were offered both Mig-23 and TU-22M (talk of closing options or axing their own foot)

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I believe BK has covered this in depth in his book - Nuclear Weapons and Indian security
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I think we are mixing apples and oranges. There is no verifiable evidence (memoirs, etc.) that in 1976 or 1977 the IAF was offered Tu-22M 'Backfire'. Indeed, there are many sources that narrate that India was offered the Tu-22 Blinder. Not surprisingly, the IAF rejected it out of hand. In fact, the IAF would have liked to purchase the Su-24, which the Soviets were reluctant to offer, even though within 10 years they were selling them in the middle-east. At the time, the IAF was hunting for an aircraft to meet its DPSA requirement, which was ultimately filled by the Jaguar in 1979.

The first MiG-23s bought for the IAF were meant for its TASA requirement, and only as interim aircraft. The MiG-23BNs first joined the IAF in 1981 (deal concluded in 1979) pending the delivery of the MiG-27. The MiG-23MF was bought only after the F-16 purchase was concluded by the PAF.
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IAF reaction to F-16 was a knee jerk one , their perspective was also narrow in that how to counter one Air Dominance/MR fighter with another , so they opted for the Mig-23 , in that they did lost the golden opportunity to think in a strategic manner when resources were available.

The only golden thing that happened was we went for the Mirages , but then we lost it by not going ahead with lic production of the same which per original plans were for 150 A/C.

I got the copy of the book and just browsing through it , it looks like an excellent book with wealth of information specially looking ahead in 21st century.
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I think rupak is right, IAF was offered the tu-22 blinder and not the backfire.
the blinder won't have been a worthwhile investment.
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to think in a strategic manner when resources were available.

afaik, resources were quite tight in 80s too given the nature of our economy.

Ru pulled a fast one vs M2K by offering us the Mig29 at much less than what the addl
construction of M2K would cost. and even the Mig29 headcount capped off due to the
collapse of finances in early 90s.

our strategic thinking window opened up during the NDA regime imho, though UPA
is doing its level best to close it .... and the bear lobby has deep inroads into
all parties irrespective of their professed political ideology.

money and red label + natashas talk loudly compared to empty political sloganeering.
afterall 'leaders' work hard and need to party hard too for decompressing.
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Arun_S, something interesting. Your work is utilised by some to come to the conclusion that SLV==Agni and PSLV==Surya. :lol:
http://www.npec-web.org/Essays/060207SpeierICBM.pdf
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And the conclusion. :rotfl: :rotfl:

Conclusion
The target of an Indian ICBM would be the United States. {as if the U.S is the only nation within an ICBM range} The technology of an Indian
ICBM would be that of a space launch vehicle -- either directly via the PSLV or
indirectly via the Agni, which is based on India’s SLV-3. The U.S. should not facilitate
the acquisition or improvement of that technology directly or indirectly In this matter,
U.S. clarity and restraint are what the world -- and India -- need.
The U.S. needs to divert from the present “glide path” and reorient itself and India onto a
more productive course of cooperation. It would be a cruel irony if, in the hope of
becoming strategic partners, we became each other’s strategic targets. :rotfl: :rotfl:
{Why are these idiots pissed off by better Indo-U.S relationship}
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Someone is feeling jealous onlee.

2) Do not assist India’s space launch programs.
The U.S. should not cooperate either with India’s space launches or with satellites that India will launch. India hopes that satellite launches will earn revenues that will accelerate its space program -- including rocket development. U.S. payloads for Indian
launches -- such as the envisioned cooperative lunar project -- risk technology transfer
(see recommendation #3) and invite other nations to be less restrained in their use of Indian launches.
o The U.S. should resume discouraging other nations from using Indian launches, while encouraging India to resume the practice of launching satellites on other nations’ space launch vehicles.

So they did play dirty politics by discouraging others from launching satellites using Indian launch vehicles.
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I have a different opinion on vaporizing silos theory. when these silos would be built, it should be for against NBC attack, and the main objective being "second strike". why would drdo spend billions in the silo works, if it can be easily vaporized.

The tube that is inserted into the earth for 30-50 meters [100ft or above], should be well suited for any second strike ops. We can tunnel them up as well.. but that would be largely for storage purposes.

And why would we reveal storage of NBC items?.. where it is located is none of the concerns of the first strikers. Its all strategic!. Whats up? whatzzz going on in the defence community to reveal these second strike options.????

And.. BTW, how in the world anyone could think of using Migs for second strike!?!?
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How do all these stupid white non-proliferation types believe that an indian ICBM will use a cryogenic engine for the third stage? Are they just stupid or..
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So they did play dirty politics by discouraging others from launching satellites using Indian launch vehicles.
Yes, they did.
C. Raja Mohan wrote:Washington has promised New Delhi that it will no longer put political obstacles in the way of potential customers who want to launch their satellites, which do not have American components, on India's space vehicles.
U.S. gives space to ISRO
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there is absolutely NO need to defile this thread with half-baked and ill-informed trash. we shouldn't give any credence to these jokers which is what citing them on BR does.
suggest that people edit the above posts.
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uddu wrote:Arun_S, something interesting. Your work is utilised by some to come to the conclusion that SLV==Agni and PSLV==Surya. :lol:
http://www.npec-web.org/Essays/060207SpeierICBM.pdf
Uddu at el: Hrrr. Dr. Richard Speier the grand NPA Ayatollah is twitching and as usual getting caught and believing in the psy-op he has created himself since 3-4 letter shitty-bitty private clubs were created to penalize and contain Indian ambitions.

This article was earlier discussed twice in last 2 years and we had lot of fun at the expense of NPA Dr. Richard Speier. Mind you this was before Agni-III was test fired and put information on BR missile article that was reverse Psy-Op on these God fearing believers. As I mentioned in previous discussion the 1.8m dia was intentionally obfuscated to preserve the knowledge of real diameter (2.0m).

Poor fellow had to eat crow when his disparaging reference to yours faithfully were shown by subsequent DRDO testes to be the real reality and not the ranting and wish list of Indian engineers on imaginary programs.
"However, Vishwakarma consistently reports far higher ranges for the existing
Agni missiles than have been reported elsewhere. Given this reporting bias,
Vishwakarma may be describing the wishlists of Indian engineers -- or programs that
have not yet been funded. The PSLV exists. The existence of 1.8 meter diameter missile
has not yet been reported except by Vishwakarma."
Fun to needle the grand-seer of the NPA which brought so much sorrow to India in last 25 year. It was Dr. Richard Speier who pulled from his musharraf the the 300Km/500Kg payload limit specification in MTCR as it was being crafted.
From Wikipedia: MTCR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Technology_Control_Regime
The Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), drafted by Dr. Richard H. Speier, is an informal and voluntary partnership between 34 countries to prevent the proliferation of missile technology.
Yet there was another article by Hrrr. Dr. Richard Speier where he called the article by yours faithfully as non-peer reviewed source. (Ha... he wants me to be a NPA to have credible peer-reviewed pedigree :wink: )

Anyway enjoy the soup served hot by NPA butler in "Turra hat".
Sorry to see his job market disappear as he get to his golden age.:twisted:

A carefully aimed shot of "Sat"/truth will vaporize the "Asat" psy-op house of cards; reminds me of David and Goliath.
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is there something called PNSS forming up!? (Peaceful Nuclear Second Strike)
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Rahul M wrote:there is absolutely NO need to defile this thread with half-baked and ill-informed trash. we shouldn't give any credence to these jokers which is what citing them on BR does.
suggest that people edit the above posts.
Rahul saar: Speier is no ordinary person. I think we should thoroughly demolish the castle of crap built by this father of MTCR, on the higher pedestal amongst racist NPA.

MTCR is still biting Bharat, so no mercy on NPA.

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saar jee, I do know of this $%#^. AFAIK, MTCR survives but the reputation of these people hasn't.
I was of the opinion that giving them BW on BR does more harm than good. but then, opinions differ.
cheers !
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vsudhir wrote:
geeth wrote:>>>I still dont get it , why would it be difficult to target a "tailored trajectory BM" with AAD/S-300/400 system even assuming its manouverable.

If it is a pure ballistic missile, all you have to do is to look up the sky - thousands of kilometres deep into space - done with radars. But how far you can look over the horizon? not much. So, a missile flying horizontally cannot be detected from a great distance away, thereby reducing the reaction time, even if you have a long range radar. The lower the altitude, the lesser the distance from which it can be detected.
Interesting.

The LRTRs for a horiz flying missile would have to be looking 'top-down', so to say. And the high speed of the BCM (Ballistic cruise missile :mrgreen: ) would give it away as a non-aeroplane.

A geo-synchronous orbit sat would be at quite a distance to do this kind of looking down monitoring on a 24x7 basis. LEO sats wouldn't provide 24x7 coverage except if planned and used in tandem. Of ocurse, during tense times, an AEW and bringing together of space based assets would be in order.
AEW assets prowl at 10 - 15 km and scan the space to the height of 20 - 25 km, mostly it will be in look-down mode. But the missile travels at the height of 50 km. Dont know AEW will be of any use in tracking these missiles. As this is said to be highly manoeuvrable and cruising at the speed of ~ 1.7 Km/sec horizontally, spoting the missile is going to be a nightmare.

S-300 reaches to the altitude of just around ~ 30 Km. Even if there is detection, it will be of no use. And at the terminal phase, God knows what manoeuvre it can pull. LACM like Tomahawk makes a vertical dip to clear the LOS in reaching the target. It gives zero margin of error. If a high speed missile pulls a sudden dip with a swril, that will be simply marvellous.
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Austin wrote:IAF reaction to F-16 was a knee jerk one , their perspective was also narrow in that how to counter one Air Dominance/MR fighter with another , so they opted for the Mig-23 , in that they did lost the golden opportunity to think in a strategic manner when resources were available.
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Actually the LCA was specifically meant to counter the F-16C.

Then there was a prof at IIT Powai/Bombay (then) that wanted to redesign the MiG-21 to counter the F-16C, his arg was that it would be a LOT more cost effective.
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wow!
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So the Shaurya is cross between a BM and a Cruise missile and it flies at high speed at medium altitude. Looks like a virtual hypersonic cruise missle. Wonder if something like that can be made to fly from an aircraft?
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I don't think so its worth while to have something like that? its less expensive and safer to launch from ground, or especially from subs [safest]. But a CM like BrahMos launched from SU30 or MRCA could be ideal to hit high profile land and sea surface targets..I guess, frigates, warships, carriers, and other land based as well, especially if it may be used as bunker buster too, with a little modification to drill down further on impact before explosion.

I don't know!
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Shaurya is more akin to the Iskander IRBM.If i am right both don't seem to have the typical ballistic trajectory and are highly maneuverable.
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Then there was a prof at IIT Powai/Bombay (then) that wanted to redesign the MiG-21 to counter the F-16C, his arg was that it would be a LOT more cost effective.
Not to get off topic, but wasn't that the role of Bison upgrade?
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The names for our missiles systems are kind of random. Like there is nothing like Anyname-I, Anyname-II etc. They are random like Nag,Prithvi, Agni, Sagarika, Nirbhay, Aksah etc. So it is not easy to guess next missile system name (eg. Shaurya No one know that till tested). Where did the name Surya comes from unless such a program exists. If it is an extension of Agni than it should be Agni-5 or Agni-6 but why Surya. Did Speier just named that randomly Surya, which i surely doubt because he doesn't know the exact and its applied meaning in terms of missile system or...... did such a program really exists


PS:I am not into whether that thing is a PSLV or GSLV derivative. Just the name
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imo the project directors and staff decide on a name and thats it. sometimes they may
want to pay tribute like naming the first Tejas as KH-1001.

I hope to a stealthy ALCM named Kalam one day. he deserves it.
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Link
Reinventing a proven indigenous missile?

Ashok Parthasarathi and Raman Puri


Reported moves by the Ministry of Defence to outsource abroad a Rs. 10,000-crore project for an air defence system raise many questions.

There have been press reports recently about the Ministry of Defence awarding Israel a Rs. 10,000-crore contract to develop and produce an “Advanced New Generation Surface to Air Missile (SAM) System.” This is to be an extension of the Israel Aircraft Industries Ltd. (IAI)-Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) project (in which the DRDO’s work share is insignificant) that is under way. It involves a price of about Rs. 2,800 crore. The objective is for the DRDO and the IAI to jointly develop, and for the IAI to then produce, three 70-km-range Barak 2 missile systems for the Indian Navy.

Concurrently, the IAI is to develop, manufacture and supply to the Indian Air Force (IAF) another SAM System. This system is stated to have the capability to intercept both missiles and manned aircraft at a range of up to120 km. It is reliably learnt that about a dozen such SAMs are to be purchased by the IAF from the IAI at a price of around Rs. 10,000 crore.

At the same time, the success of the DRDO’s own project to develop, make a prototype of and prove on the field a high-performance SAM, called Project Air Defence (AD), for a far superior, much more demanding application, namely, to shoot down ballistic missiles at ranges much greater than 120 km, has been widely reported. The press release issued by the DRDO on December 15, 2007 regarding SAM said: “The Indian drive to realise a Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) system took a significant step forward with the country joining the elite club of the USA, Russia and Israel when an endospheric (within the atmosphere) interceptor missile developed by the DRDO successfully targeted a hostile missile twice in early December 2007. The Air Defence interceptor missile developed by the DRDO destroyed the target missile. An exospheric (beyond the atmosphere) interception of a target Ballistic Missile had already been achieved earlier.”

This home-grown missile system in which the radar hardware too is now being indigenised (the software, in any case, was written entirely by Indian teams earlier) has all the capabilities sought from the Air Defence Missile System to be developed and then productionised by the IAI — and indeed much more. Why, then, should the IAI “offer” be even considered?

It does not require rocket science to infer that a missile system that can intercept a ballistic missile does so at ranges far greater than the 120 km asked for from the IAI by the IAF. Similarly, the DRDO’s Ballistic Missile Defence System which has successfully intercepted enemy/target aircraft right up to the limits of endospheric altitudes can effectively intercept any aircraft at ranges of 120 km-plus.

Countries that have developed such air defence systems do not compartmentalise their roles as being strategic or tactical, or limit their utilisation against either offensive manned aircraft on the one hand or missiles on the other. Doing so would be technologically and operationally illogical. What is more, it will lead to significant wastage of human and financial resources. Why, then, the IAF and the Navy have not drawn this obvious interference, or the DRDO has not clearly highlighted and emphasised the capability and relevance of the Project (AD) for Tactical Air Defence of its proven Ballistic Missile Defence Missile (BMD) system, is unclear — although the DRDO press release did state that the successfully demonstrated BMD had all the features necessary to double up easily as a tactical AD missile.

Incidentally, it has been reported in the media that besides firing to destroy a ballistic missile, the DRDO’s interceptor missile engaged a simulated air target and a naval ship at ranges of 100 km-plus and intercepted them. What is more, neither the Navy nor the IAF is willing to recognise or acknowledge, much less accept, these capabilities of the DRDO’s Project AD missile systems despite the numerous joint committees they are members of. At such committee meetings, all these developments and concrete achievements of the DRDO have been presented by it and discussed in detail by senior representatives of those defence services and senior DRDO scientists.

The AD system developed and proved by the DRDO in record time and at record cost by world standards is, in concept, like the French Astra 30 and the U.S. PAC 3 recently introduced in those countries. However, in terms of design and performance, the DRDO’s AD system is superior to the French and U.S. systems. Basically, such modern AD Systems deploy Multifunction Active Aperture Radars (Long Range) and Medium Range Multifunction Radars to determine multiple target positions in space, and communicate over secure, real-time links to the interceptor missiles or launchers. The interceptor missiles themselves meanwhile have the intelligence to determine their trajectories and engage enemy aircraft or missiles at long range. The systems to be procured from Israel will necessarily have the same concept and components as the Project AD missile — or so it is to be hoped.

What is more, while the Project AD missile not only exists but is proven in the much more demanding BMD role, the IAI AD missile has yet to be developed. So, if the Rs. 10,000-crore contract for the 120-km range Barak NG AD missile for the IAF is signed, it will be a true case of reinventing the wheel abroad at exorbitant cost and at the expense of existing and proven indigenous missiles of the DRDO that offer better performance. So much for the policy of self-reliance and indigenisation that is stated at every defence forum.

One may rightly then ask: why did this not apply to the Naval Systems? In our view, the Rs. 2,800-crore contract with the IAI in this regard was also a hastily signed one. Project AD’s radar system would possibly have required re-engineering to downsize the Medium Range Multifunction Radar to be mounted on a naval ship’s mast, and some developmental effort to deal with stabilisation issues at sea (using capability already available with L&T, R&D Engineers, Pune, and BEL).

Clearly, however, no such re-engineering and stabilisation effort is required for the IAF’s ground-based systems. The Medium Range Multifunction radar of Project AD has been extensively used by the IAF in exercises even with foreign air forces. As for the interceptor missiles, India has the total design, technology and production capabilities thoroughly proven in repeated BMD field trials conducted over the last two years.

Therefore, while there would be no justification for the IAF going in for the so-called “Advanced New Generation, Air Defence System Programme” with the IAI, in the case of the Navy, too, the systems under development by the IAI should be the last systems to be ordered abroad.

The so-called joint IAI-DRDO project for Barak-2 is one in which the DRDO, surprisingly, has a small-to-insignificant contribution to make. Therefore, the reason for the DRDO joining this programme under such circumstances, and even more when its own technically and operationally superior Project (AD) SAM has been proven in the field, is not clear. Is this yet another case of the DRDO being pressured, not only by a defence service but by the Ministry of Defence itself?

In view of the foregoing, while we ponder over these issues, there should be no “develop & buy” or “buy & make” orders for the IAF’s AD systems. Instead, both the DRDO and the IAF must be directed by the Defence Minister to jointly use the DRDO’s established and proven capability and actual AD missiles to meet the IAF’s AD requirement. And the proposed procurement from the IAI of Israel should be dropped forthwith.

There is a Central Bureau of Investigation enquiry in progress against the IAI. It will therefore be a gross and serious violation of government rules and regulations to place fresh orders for any systems whatsoever with the IAI until the CBI enquiry is over and the IAI is cleared. But a recent news item (Indian Express, November 17, 2008) cited government sources as having told the newspaper that “the Defence Ministry has gone to the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) for approval of this multi-million dollar procurement of a Medium-Range Surface-to-Air Missile (MRSAM) project between Israeli defence contractors and the DRDO” — even before the CBI enquiry is complete.

(Ashok Parthasarathi was Science and Technology Adviser to Prime Minister Indira Gandhi for nine years in two spells in the 1970s and the early 1980s. He has been closely involved with India’s air defence system, overseen and directed as it was even then by the Radar & Communication Board chaired by the Prime Minister. Vice-Admiral Raman Puri retired as Chief of the Integrated Defence Staff to the Chairman, Committee of Defence Service Chiefs and was deeply associated with the inter-services weapons procurement process from October 2003 to February 2006.)
According to the authors, DRDO has negligible technical inputs for the barak-NG. Is this true, guru-log?
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Singha wrote:imo the project directors and staff decide on a name and thats it. sometimes they may
want to pay tribute like naming the first Tejas as KH-1001.

I hope to a stealthy ALCM named Kalam one day. he deserves it.
Wasnt the K-15 named after Kalam?
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Singha wrote:imo the project directors and staff decide on a name and thats it. sometimes they may
want to pay tribute like naming the first Tejas as KH-1001.

I hope to a stealthy ALCM named Kalam one day. he deserves it.
Ok Let me put this way. Does the program Surya exists or did speier invented that out of thin air but it coincide with our naming methods
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BMD or project AD is in very early stage and has very well defined scope, this may not be the time to let the scope creep in and defocus from BMD to AD. Anyhow targeting a highly manuvele arial target and BMD targeting require totally different technologiysolutions. S/IRBM's have very high speeds but very predictable trajectories at very high altitudes while air targets can come very low and at relatively lower speeds but with high rate of change in trajectories.
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A question for the Gurus...

Once the Brahmos is developed for the AirForce will its range stay the same as the land based verison or will there be a reduction in that ?

Apologise if already discussed. :P
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anirbanbanerjee wrote:A question for the Gurus...

Once the Brahmos is developed for the AirForce will its range stay the same as the land based verison or will there be a reduction in that ?

Apologise if already discussed. :P
Yes range will be the same , as they have to abide by MTCR guidelines ie ~ 290 km

But the Air launched brahmos will have weight reduction , because of the use of smaller booster

Talk about Brahmos , BK in his latest book states that a 20 Kt yeald warhead has been designed/developed for Brahmos.
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Talk about Brahmos , BK in his latest book states that a 20 Kt yeald warhead has been designed/developed for Brahmos.
anirbanbanerjee wrote:A question for the Gurus...

Once the Brahmos is developed for the AirForce will its range stay the same as the land based verison or will there be a reduction in that ?

Apologise if already discussed. :P
Yes range will be the same , as they have to abide by MTCR guidelines ie ~ 290 km

But the Air launched brahmos will have weight reduction , because of the use of smaller booster

Talk about Brahmos , BK in his latest book states that a 20 Kt yeald warhead has been designed/developed for Brahmos.
for land attack or ?????? nimitz class
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Shankar wrote:
Talk about Brahmos , BK in his latest book states that a 20 Kt yeald warhead has been designed/developed for Brahmos. Yes range will be the same , as they have to abide by MTCR guidelines ie ~ 290 km

But the Air launched brahmos will have weight reduction , because of the use of smaller booster

Talk about Brahmos , BK in his latest book states that a 20 Kt yeald warhead has been designed/developed for Brahmos.
for land attack or ?????? nimitz class
I dont think a nuke is needed for just a Nimitz class Carrier, but might for the whole Carrier Group. Good for land attack though, but range will be a restriction.
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One thought that doesn't go away is why we have opted soley for an Israeli BMD,when as the article says,an indigenous option is readily available and equivalent French and Russian SAM/BMD systems are also on offer.Why have these ben discounted so easily.There is a lack of transparency in the Barak-2 deal also,as Aster and Russian equiv. missiles should've also have been considered for LR naval SAMs.
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The russian naval BMD's are probably sold to china and Aster would be costly and is already developed. With Israel India can codevelop the system.
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vavinash wrote:The russian naval BMD's are probably sold to china and Aster would be costly and is already developed. With Israel India can codevelop the system.
But the article says that DRDo part is negligible in it(other than being associated with the project)!!!!
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well the degree of transparency in indo-israeli deals will always be kept low to avoid prying eyes.

we learnt of the PAD when it was fired and till date not even a pic of its green pine derived ABM radar, we learnt of crystal maze when a su30 test fired it. we learnt of AAD when
its expected firing was announced. there is still two bigger ABM rockets under development.

there could be multiple things happening under the official cover and infra of one deal.

recall the article in israeli media of apartments being rented in large nos there to house
drdo scientists and their dependents for extended deputations? if all we did was read the
manual and put green paint, there is no need for such things.
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Singha wrote: there is still two bigger ABM rockets under development.
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So we have the AAD-2 ad PAD-2 under development as well ?
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No, its AD-1 and AD-2.kkkk
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