People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

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While you guys are following the Google episode, a Chinese engineer is arrested in Kutch for smuggling
The arrested man was identified as Xu-Zsiyong, a 30-year-old engineer working in the Mundra mega power project in Kutch district. The liquor was kept under his charge in a house in the Chinese colony in Sircha village, Mundra taluka. The colony is so named because a large number of Chinese workers working for the contractor of the project stay in a cluster of houses in the village.

The liquor haul included over 10,000 bottles of Chinese-made beer and about 500 bottles of whiskey and other brands of liquor allegedly smuggled in a huge container off-loaded at the Mundra port. The seizure was made following a tip-off that the liquor had been imported illegally from China without any valid permit, Mundra police inspector M.K. Rana said.
From the same article, it appears to me that the Chinese want to expel the Indian diamond traders etc. from Shenzhen after probably having acquired the trade knowledge and secrets of diamond cutting etc.
Pravin Nanavati, former president of the Southern Gujarat Chamber of Commerce and Industry, also hoped the problem would soon be sorted out amicably. He pointed out that during his tenure as the Chamber president, many high-level Chinese delegations had come to Surat to try to understand the nuances of the diamond trade and offered lucrative incentives to Surat traders to open shops in that country.

“Many of our traders were invited to go across to China to set up units there, and now charging such people with smuggling is uncalled for,” Mr. Nanavati said.
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What does it mean when BC gets space on NY Times to opine.

A Smoking Dragon in Sheep's Clothing
Copenhagen thus was a turning point in that respect. China, the world’s largest and longest-surviving autocracy that still flouts international norms on trade, human rights and currency, is likely to come under greater pressure to fall in line or be seen as a self-serving power whose interests are at odds with the rest of the world — both developed and developing.
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India's Frontiers - From The Hindu of Jan. 14, 1960
The resolution drafted by the Congress Steering Committee at Bangalore reflects the pain and surprise that India feels at the frontier violations by China which offer such a sombre contrast to the readiness for compromise and settlement that Pakistan has demonstrated with regard to our borders with her. The pain is but increased by the continuing unwillingness on China’s part to accept the very reasonable proposals put forward by our Prime Minister as a preliminary to peaceful negotiations. Instead, her spokesmen have delved into murky archives and tried to bring up some kind of record or other in support of her contentions. The hollowness of these contentions has been exposed time and again by Mr. Nehru and the Government of India who have now prepared a brochure which admirably sums up India’s position. The principal points that emerge from a study of this publication are that, contrary to Chinese assertions, the Sino-Indian border has been delimited, that it has won general acceptance, being based on treaty, agreement and custom, and that even the Chinese till recently had not challenged it. It is made crystal clear that the present controversy is purely of Chinese creation, the Peking Government claiming large areas of territory in a letter from Premier Chou En-Lai in September last and the tension in the frontier regions being accentuated by the Chinese forces pushing forward in recent months to back up this claim. This forward movement resulted in a bloody clash with Indian patrols and in the death of several Indians.
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China’s expansion of economic espionage boils over

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... boils_over
As Google announced in its statement, many other firms are being targeted as well. The 34 firms discussed as part of Google's investigation into the attacks are mostly Silicon Valley technology firms who work with or in China, said Mulvenon. This is all part of the Chinese government's stated goal of aiding Chinese-owned firms using state power to cull information from that particular sector.

"The Chinese government has made it very clear they have a set of national champions and those champions should be promoted," he said.
But cyber security expert Alan Paller, director of research at the SANS Institute, said that attacks like the one on Google can be judged to be government-sponsored, if not government-run outright, due to their sheer sophistication, their massive scale, and the military-like efficiency with which they are carried out.

Paller said his research supports the conclusion that every foreign firm operating in China has likely been penetrated and has software on it that enables outsiders to access it at will. And while attribution of attacks is difficult to prove outright, the string of similar attacks on U.S. government and military installations dating back years shows a pattern of behavior that points directly back to Beijing.

So how do we know the Chinese are shifting those tactics to the economic sphere? One piece of evidence came to light when it was revealed the UK's domestic intelligence service MI5 sent a letter to over 300 firms warning them of state-sponsored economic cyber espionage attacks coming from China.
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In Google’s Rebuke of China, Focus Falls on Cybersecurity

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/techn ... oogle.html
In early January, Tenzin Seldon, a 20-year-old Stanford student and Tibetan activist, was told by university officials to contact Google because her Gmail account had been hacked.

Ms. Seldon, the Indian-born daughter of Tibetan refugees, said she immediately contacted David Drummond, Google’s chief legal officer.

“David informed me that my account was hacked by someone in China,” Ms. Seldon said in a telephone interview. “They were concerned and asked whether they could see my laptop.”
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^
India buying C-17s, Unkil offering F-35 Lighting II, Google planning to withdraw from china because Indo-Tibetans were harassed, Pakistan hitting the fan on a daily basis, India arresting Chinese, Chinese arresting Indians. Interesting times onlee. :-?
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afaik the diamond traders were arrested before the 3 chinese eng working on collapsed chimney. probably their moles tipped off regarding impending arrest and they did a pre-emptive attack to try and dissuade.

if the suratis were foolish enough to pass on their knowledge to chipanda serves them right.
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As far as the arrest of Indians by the Chinese goes, I hope GOI considers a very simple fact when negotiating their release and that is the fact that India has a big trade deficit with China that has been growing steadily over the years. Any such moves by China to restrict or harass Indian businessmen in China would eventually hurt China more than us.
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China harasses arrested Indians, videotapes meetings
BEIJING: Relatives and business associates of the 21 detained Indian diamond traders are finding it difficult to build a legal defense for them because Chinese authorities have provided with very little information. The only piece of paper made available is a notice to the wife of one of the detained persons.
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On the other hand, the authorities have video-recorded the conversation between Indian embassy officials and the detained persons. This made it difficult for them to hold frank and in-depth exchange of information to develop a suitable defense. It is also not clear how long the police and Shenzhen customs will take to frame charges and begin the due process of law.

"We do not know exactly whether they have broken any law," a diamond merchant from India, said.
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None of the 21 persons have been caught in the actual act of smuggling. They were picked up from their homes, offices and when they were doing business in banks. Investigators have seized large number of diamonds from them. But the seized diamonds were all accounted for and none of them were smuggled ones, the relative of a detained person told TNN.
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NYT

In Wake of Google’s Stance on China, Silence From U.S.

By DAVID E. SANGER and JOHN MARKOFF
Published: January 14, 2010

SANTA CLARA, Calif. — Last month, when Google engineers at their sprawling campus in Silicon Valley began to suspect that Chinese intruders were breaking into private Gmail accounts, the company began a secret counteroffensive.

It managed to gain access to a computer in Taiwan that it suspected of being the source of the attacks. Peering inside that machine, company engineers actually saw evidence of the aftermath of the attacks, not only at Google, but also at at least 33 other companies, including Adobe Systems, Northrop Grumman :twisted: and Juniper Networks.

Seeing the breadth of the problem, they alerted American intelligence and law enforcement officials and worked with them to assemble powerful evidence that the masterminds of the attacks were not in Taiwan, but on the Chinese mainland.

But while much of the evidence, including the sophistication of the attacks, strongly suggested an operation run by Chinese government agencies, or at least approved by them, company engineers could not definitively prove their case. Today that uncertainty, along with concerns about confronting the Chinese without strong evidence, has frozen the Obama administration’s response to the intrusion, one of the biggest cyberattacks of its kind, and to some extent the response of other targets, including some of the most prominent American companies. :rotfl: ( aka GUBO)

President Obama, who has repeatedly warned of the country’s vulnerability to devastating cyberattacks, has said nothing in public about one of the biggest examples since he took office. And the White House, while repeating Mr. Obama’s calls for Internet freedom, has not publicly demanded a Chinese government investigation, though a senior administration official, when pressed on Thursday, said, “We expect the Chinese to explain what happened.”

On Thursday, China’s Foreign Ministry deflected questions about Google’s charges and dismissed its declaration that it would no longer “self-censor” searches conducted on google.cn, its Chinese search engine. A ministry spokeswoman said simply that online services in China must be conducted “in accordance with the law.”

In interviews in which they disclosed new details of their efforts to solve the mystery, Google engineers said they doubted that a nongovernmental actor could pull off something this broad and well organized, but they conceded that even their counterintelligence operation, taking over the Taiwan server, could not provide the kind of airtight evidence needed to prove the case.

The murkiness of the attacks is no surprise. For years the National Security Agency and other arms of the United States government have struggled with the question of “attribution” of an attack; what makes cyberwar so unlike conventional war is that it is often impossible, even in retrospect, to find where the attack began, or who was responsible.

The questions surrounding the Google attacks have companies doing business in China scrambling to confirm that they were victims. Symantec, Adobe and Juniper Networks acknowledged in interviews that they were investigating whether they had been attacked. Northrop and Yahoo, also described as subjects of the attacks, declined comment.

Besides being unable to firmly establish the source of the attacks, Google investigators have been unable to determine the goal: to gain commercial advantage; insert spyware; break into the Gmail accounts of Chinese dissidents and American experts on China who frequently exchange e-mail messages with administration officials; or all three. In fact, at least one prominent Washington research organization with close ties to administration officials was among those hacked, according to one person familiar with the episode.

Even as the United States and companies doing business in China assess the impact, the attacks signal the arrival of a new kind of conflict between the world’s No. 1 economic superpower and the country that, by year’s end, will overtake Japan to become No. 2.

It makes the tensions of the past, over China’s territorial claims or even the collision of an American spy plane and Chinese fighter pilots nine years ago, seem as outdated as a grainy film clip of Mao reviewing the May Day parade. But it also lays bare the degree to which China and the United States are engaged in daily cyberbattles, a covert war of offense and defense on which the United States is already spending billions of dollars a year.

Computer experts who track the thousands of daily attacks on corporate and government computer sites all report that the majority of sophisticated attacks seem to emanate from China. What they cannot say is whether the hackers are operating on behalf of the Chinese state or in a haven that the Chinese have encouraged, because it serves many of China’s interests.

The latest episode illuminates the ambiguities.

To throw investigators off the scent, the servers that carried out many of the attacks were based in Taiwan, though a Google executive said “it only took a few seconds to determine that the real origin was on the mainland.”

At Google’s headquarters in Mountain View, there is little doubt that China’s government was behind the attacks. Partly that is because at the same time Mr. Obama was hailing a new era of cautious cooperation with China, Google was complaining about mounting confrontation, chiefly over Chinese pressure on the company to make sure Chinese users could not directly link to the American-based “google.com” site, which would evade much of the censorship the company had reluctantly imposed on its main Chinese portal, google.cn.

“Everything we are learning is that in this case the Chinese government got caught with its hand in the cookie jar,” said James A. Lewis, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, who was a consultant to the White House on its cybersecurity strategy last spring. “Would it hold up in court? No. But China is the only government in the world obsessed about Tibet, and that issue goes right to the heart of their vision of political survival and putting down the separatists’ movements.”

Over the years there have been private warnings issued to China, notably after an attack on the computer systems used by the office of the secretary of defense two years ago. A senior military official said in December that that attack “raised a lot of alarm bells,” but the attacker could not be pinpointed. The administration privately cautioned Chinese officials that attacks seemingly aimed at the national security leadership of the United States would not be tolerated, according to one American who took part in delivering that message.
(and they spat on your face didnt they? - so now what?)

David E. Sanger reported from Santa Clara, and John Markoff from San Francisco. Mark Landler contributed reporting from Washington.
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per tv.

a week before copenhagen summit in dec, cyber attacks were launched on PMO office from china
but using hosts in south america and two other countries.

the claim is that confidential computers were airwalled so nothing of note was there in the official website type machines.
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This whole episode with the Diamond Traders is very curious.

A few questions
i) Has there ever been a precedent of such an arrest with people of another country e.g., Diamond traders from Belgium, US, Israel etc
ii) Does China have Diamond Mines? What role does it play in the Diamond Value Chain?
iii) What exactly were these traders doing in China? Were they there to sell diamonds? If so, what proportion of the market do Indian traders drive?

Just a hypothesis but there might be more to this than meets the eye.
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Jarita wrote:This whole episode with the Diamond Traders is very curious.

A few questions
i) Has there ever been a precedent of such an arrest with people of another country e.g., Diamond traders from Belgium, US, Israel etc
ii) Does China have Diamond Mines? What role does it play in the Diamond Value Chain?
iii) What exactly were these traders doing in China? Were they there to sell diamonds? If so, what proportion of the market do Indian traders drive?

Just a hypothesis but there might be more to this than meets the eye.
its a political arrest. arm twisting. a series of moves and counter moves are underway

someone asked if the diamondwallas were sharing their IP with cheeni bhai... somehow i think that the gujjubhais in the diamond trade are too chankian to share anything other than dhokla with a business counterparty (the diamond industry as a whole is full of sharp opertors)
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X-post

A 'new' relationship is emerging based on the old model of suzerainty. Possible implications?

Hatoyama to Nanjing, Hu to Hiroshima?
The French newspaper Le Figaro reported from Tokyo last Wednesday that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) had delivered to the ruling Democratic Party of Japan (DPJ) the script of a spectacular reconciliation this year between the two countries. The report said the CCP had proposed that Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama begin the process by going to Nanjing, where a mass killing of Chinese civilians by the Japanese Imperial Army took place in December 1937 and subsequent months.

This first visit to Nanjing by a Japanese prime minister since the war would present to the Chinese people Tokyo's official apologies without ambiguity, easing lingering anti-Japan sentiment among the Chinese public. In return, some months later, on August 15, the anniversary of the Japanese surrender in 1945, Chinese President Hu Jintao would go to Hiroshima, the first city to experience atomic bombing, and declare the three non-nuclear principles: China will not make a nuclear first strike, will not attack any non-nuclear country and will not export nuclear arms. :rotfl:
China seems to have refrained from using the Japan historic card to control its own people since 1996, when then-prime minister Shinzo Abe chose Beijing for his first overseas visit out of a desire to strengthen ties with the leaders of Japan's important neighbor. Historically, the CCP's one-party regime has been legitimized, in part, by its struggle against the Japanese invader.Though KMT did all the fighting when Mao was hiding in the mountains :rotfl:

There are conflicting views among Japanese experts. Some say that in preparation for a succession of power in 2012 and beyond, Beijing's secret battles are intensifying. A faction of ex-president Jiang Zemin, who annoyed Japanese leaders by bringing up the history issue during a banquet with the emperor, has been gaining ground recently. Others believe Beijing wants to settle historic issues once and for all, to enable the two nations to build a future-oriented relationship of mutual trust.

Prime Minister Hatoyama will likely continue his promised efforts to "rebalance" Japanese relations with the US and China, but now that he's actually responsible for governing, Mr Hatoyama needs to ask himself: Which country would ultimately keep the Japanese people's best interests at heart - democratic America or authoritarian China? If the prime minister answers the latter, then the Japanese public - and the Obama administration - really will need to start worrying.
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Cops shut down gay pageant in China

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 450419.cms
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Nayak wrote:Cops shut down gay pageant in China

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 450419.cms
Interesting.

Tongzhi means Comrade and this was used to address each other.

Tongzhi also means a homosexual!
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Mr Hatoyama needs to ask himself: Which country would ultimately keep the Japanese people's best interests at heart - democratic America or authoritarian China? If the prime minister answers the latter, then the Japanese public - and the Obama administration - really will need to start worrying.
I wonder if Japan would prefer China given their historical animosity.
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Chinese duality on smuggling revealed
China's double standards on smuggling have come to the fore after the Manager of an Indian company in China told Times Now that the Chinese themselves want goods without documentation.

There is no respite yet for 21 Indian traders detained in China for allegedly smuggling diamonds into the country. The Chinese have not yet framed charges, even as their families maintain they did not wrong.

Times now spoke with the manager of an Indian company in China who spilt the beans on how the Chinese actually function. The manager said the Chinese themselves want to avoid duty charges and ask for goods without any valid documentation.

He said the Chinese authorities knew about this but have never acted.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the manager said: "The goods from India ideally go to Hong Kong, and then to Shanghai. We pay charter duty there and then distribute goods throughout China. But it doesn't always happen like this. Customers ask for the goods directly from Hong Kong because they don't want to pay duty. The Chinese know this."

Meanwhile, the Surat Diamond Association (SDA) has sought details from the Union ministry of external affairs about 21 Indians detained in China for alleged diamond smuggling.

"We still have no clue about Indians detained in China, but from the reports it appear that those detained there have some linkage either with sister concerns or with business associates of diamond units in Surat," President SDA Rohit Mehta told news agencies.

The Indian Embassy in China, which swung into action soon after the detentions took place in Shenzhen Friday last, had sought consular access to ascertain their well-being and also taken steps for their legal assistance.

Teaching the Dragon to stand on one leg
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our electric iron gave out. my wife purchased one "Tong chi" stree for rs300/- onlee. I hope it serves us as a loyal comrade and doesnt engage in burning our clothes.
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[ot]Orpat is quite good[/ot]
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This is more about Chinese "honkers" :eek: :rotfl:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/0 ... /?ref=asia
chinese honker team [H.U.C.]

I’m very sorry for this Testing!……
…….Because of this morning your Iranian Cyber Army…….
……Maybe you haven’t konw this thing!,…………..
…….This morning your Iranian Cyber Army intrusion our baidu.com………….
…….So i’m very unfortunate for you ………
……Please tell your so-called Iranian Cyber Army….
…….Don’t intrusion chinese website about The United States authorities to intervene the internal affairs of Iran’s response…
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Inside Story - Will Google quit China? ---- 30 minutes.
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Times UK interview of NSA M.K.Narayanan:
From The Times
January 18, 2010

China tried to hack our computers, says India’s security chief M.K. Narayanan

Richard Beeston and Jeremy Page in Delhi

Chinese hackers are believed to have attempted to penetrate India’s most sensitive government office in the latest sign of rising tensions between the two rival Asian powers, The Times has learnt.

M. K. Narayanan, India’s National Security Adviser, said his office and other government departments were targeted on December 15, the same date that US companies reported cyber attacks from China.

“This was not the first instance of an attempt to hack into our computers,” Mr Narayanan told The Times in a rare interview.

He said that the attack came in the form of an e-mail with a PDF attachment containing a “Trojan” virus, which allows a hacker to access a computer remotely and download or delete files. The virus was detected and officials were told not to log on until it was eliminated, he said.

People seem to be fairly sure it was the Chinese. It is difficult to find the exact source but this is the main suspicion. It seems well founded,” he said, adding that India was co-operating with America and Britain to bolster its cyber defences.

China has denied any role in the hacking attacks, which began on December 15 and also targeted US defence contractors and finance and technology companies, including Google. “Hacking in whatever form is prohibited by law in China,” said Jiang Yu, a Foreign Ministry spokeswoman. ……………………..

Times Online
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^^^ Couple of days after the news broke about the cyberattack on various firms, there was an interesting debate on Headlines Today. Now for most part the channel is glorified cousin of Aaj Tak but in this case they had an ex-RAW gentleman who also happened to ex-IA Colonel (Corps of Signals). He very openly and emphatically said that Chinese hackers had undertaken some serious cyberattack on Indian systems and the game continued for 15 days. All this while the Indian specialist atively worked for 15 days to block out the chipanda assaults. He said while no one in GOI will confirm who the hackers were (country), I can confirm that it was Chinese doing.
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Chinese Challenge: Time for India to Gear Up --- Dr. Monika Chansoria
http://www.claws.in/index.php?action=ma ... 76&u_id=28
Xpost: Indian Army in the coming decade: Role, Threats and Challenges ---- Maj Gen GD Bakshi (Retd)
http://www.claws.in/index.php?action=ma ... 75&u_id=88
China’s Arithmetic in “Mend Fence” Diplomacy with Japan --- By Dr. Sheo Nandan Pandey
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r3613.html
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I had been wondering about the leverage which GOI has against the CCP. A potential weak spot are the CCP efforts to grab land and resources in Africa and other third world nations.

Unlike Tibet or Xianjiang these areas are far away from the grip of the CCP/PLA. This opens the possibility of creating the African version of leftist NGOs whose sole job is to oppose Chinese exploitation of their natural resources. Various NGOs have had tremendous success in slowing down Industrial development in India; the same model can be used to curtail the reach of CCP.

Each individual situation is different and what has worked in India may not work in places where the CCP is reaching out. Perhaps what is needed are armed NGOs or NSAs to make the exploitation more expensive than what CCP originally bargained for when they paid off the warlords to get the control of the resources.

With a bulk of Africa in flux, it is not going to be difficult to find willing NSAs who offer the cover of plausible deniability. The process should be tactical with a focus on the bang for the buck in specific regions.
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American spy goof-up: China navy report posted on web


http://news.in.msn.com/national/article ... id=3557159
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Jarita wrote:American spy goof-up: China navy report posted on web


http://news.in.msn.com/national/article ... id=3557159
A good find.

Thanks.
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Jarita wrote:American spy goof-up: China navy report posted on web


http://news.in.msn.com/national/article ... id=3557159
A goof-up i dont think so.
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The polar opposite of what we call a "balanced veiwpoint"
A world order centred on China will reflect Chinese values rather than western ones, Jacques argues. Beijing [ Images ] will overshadow New York, the renminbi will replace the dollar, Mandarin will take over from English, and schoolchildren around the world will learn about Zheng He's voyages of discovery along the Eastern coast of Africa rather than about Vasco de Gama or Christopher Columbus.
http://business.rediff.com/column/2010/ ... -world.htm

Very much dount the credentials of the author as a Havard Professor
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"Chinatown" running scared of Hollywood and Avatar-to be banned!
I wonder what will happen to MGM's films in China if Mr.Ambani buys it? Will China tolerate an Indian studio and its films...including one character a certain Mr.Bond?
Confucius says no to ‘subversive’ blockbuster Avatar
(20th Century Fox)
The state-run China Film Group has instructed cinemas nationwide to stop showing the ordinary version of Avatar from January 23

Jane Macartney in Beijing

Here is the choice: a blockbuster involving noble aliens, evil humans and stunning effects that is breaking cinematic records all over the world. Or a patriotic film featuring the life of Confucius.

In China the public may not be given the choice at all. Despite long queues for tickets to see Avatar — which was expected to earn more than 500 million yuan (£45 million) at the Chinese box office — reports claim that the film will be removed from screens for being subversive.

Hong Kong’s Apple Daily reported that the state-run China Film Group had instructed cinemas nationwide to stop showing the 2-D version of Avatar from January 23 on orders from Beijing’s propaganda chiefs.

It is not just the desire to entertain the masses with a Chinese movie that has prompted the censors to step in and pull James Cameron’s hit from 2-D screens. The Government fears that too many citizens might be making a link between the plight of Avatar’s Na’vi people as they are thrown off their land and the numerous, often brutal, evictions endured closer to home by residents who get in the way of property developers.

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The newspaper said: “Reportedly, the authorities have two reasons for this check on Avatar: first, it has taken in too much money and has seized market share from domestic films, and second, it may lead audiences to think about forced removal, and may possibly incite violence.”

China’s favourite blogger, Han Han, a twentysomething writer and racing-car driver, was among those who quickly spotted the similarity between the film’s plot and real life. He wrote: “For audiences in other countries, such brutal eviction is something beyond their imagination. It could only take place on another planet — or in China.”

Popular views of the film as an allegory for predatory property developers across China will not have gone down well with the Propaganda Department in Beijing. Blogs are buzzing with the news of Avatar’s imminent disappearance. The film opened on January 4 and soon drew lengthy queues despite one of the coldest winters in years. Box-office takings hit a record 56 million yuan for a single day and IMAX cinemas which show the full 3-D version are booked up for weeks. The film had been due to play until February 28, well past the Chinese new year holiday, which begins on February 14.

In the southern city of Wuxi, a multiple-screen cinema warned on its website that Avatar would now finish on Saturday and those with tickets beyond that date would be refunded. “We ask for your understanding! To satisfy the viewing needs of the audience, the cinema will add midnight showings from the 21st and 22nd. Grab them quickly,” it advised. The notice was soon removed, however, as the cinema said that only 2-D screens would stop showing the film.

China has only 550 3-D cinema screens, which means that holiday audiences will have no choice but flock to see Confucius, featuring the Hong Kong gangster star Chow Yun-Fat as the eponymous philosopher.

When his film premiered last week Mr Chow said he expected Confucius to put up a good fight against James Cameron’s science fiction fantasy. He may find it a lot easier now.
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Basically they will be consolidating Indian ocean presence

China may take over refueling
The Yomiuri Shimbun

The Chinese Navy is considering taking over the Maritime Self-Defense Force's refueling mission in the Indian Ocean that ended Friday, according to government sources.

If it does take over the mission, China will increase its presence in the key sea-lane, where Japan is transporting crude oil from the Middle East, a development that is likely to draw criticism of the administration of Prime Minister Yukio Hato-yama, which decided to terminate the mission.


http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T100116003101.htm
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i really wonder if china will help unkil so much...
i also really wonder who is funding and guiding the taliban supply chain?
we know last time around it was unkil's brains and will, saudi dollares and puke grubby hands and boots on the ground
this time?
saudi dollares - check
pukes grubby hands and boots - check
who is supplying the will and brains?
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What it Means to Do Business with China

By Matthew Scanlon, Contributor

East Asia, particularly China, is considered one of the world’s most promising marketplaces: an almost bottomless pool of customers, newly emerged from poverty, are eager to buy the products and use the services that were just a few years ago out of reach. Recent events in both China and Vietnam, however, illustrate the still formidable obstacle the government can sometimes present, and the role political ideology can play in business dealings.

China and Google’s disagreements are dominating international business news. In 2006, Google, in an attempt to become the undisputed largest Internet company in the world, established services and offices in China. The venture was immediately met with controversy: Google agreed to censor its browsing and search software to the central government’s demands. Phrases like “Tiananmen Square Protest”, “the Dalai Lama”, and “Falung Gong” turned up nothing. Google rationalized that although they were subject to Internet censoring, the good of free flow of information—coupled with the inevitable attempts to circumvent China’s great firewall—outweighed the bad of a few key phrases being blacklisted by the government.

Now, in light of the revelation that the Chinese government has, according to Google, sponsored “a highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate [cyber] infrastructure”, with the “primary goal” of “accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists”, Google is threatening to pull out of China completely and remove any filtering software on its Chinese web browsers. On January 14th, the White House itself voiced an opinion on Google and Chinese’s entanglement. Reuters reported that, “The White House said on Thursday it backed Google's decision to no longer support China's censoring of searches and U.S. diplomats sought an explanation from China on cyber attacks”.

This is not the only instance in China where business and government interests have resulted in a diplomatic impasse. In June 2009, Rio Tinto, one of the world’s largest mining businesses, refused an 18 percent share of its company as well as total control of some Chinese assets to Chinalco, a state owned Chinese aluminum company. Weeks later, four Rio Tinto executives were arrested, including Stern Hu, an Australian citizen, for allegedly stealing state secrets and bribery. CNN reported, “Speculation abounded after the arrests about possible government retribution for the failed deal.” The case caused a media stir in Australia, and even forced Prime Minister Kevin Rudd to raise the issue of Stern’s detention in a meeting with Wen Jiabao in October.

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China removed as top priority for spies
Intelligence chiefs object
By Bill Gertz

The White House National Security Council recently directed U.S. spy agencies to lower the priority placed on intelligence collection for China, amid opposition to the policy change from senior intelligence leaders who feared it would hamper efforts to obtain secrets about Beijing's military and its cyber-attacks.

The downgrading of intelligence gathering on China was challenged by Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair and CIA Director Leon E. Panetta after it was first proposed in interagency memorandums in October, current and former intelligence officials said.

The decision downgrades China from "Priority 1" status, alongside Iran and North Korea, to "Priority 2," which covers specific events such as the humanitarian crisis after the Haitian earthquake or tensions between India and Pakistan. ...

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"avatar" resembles too much how the CCP treats the peasants, minorities and ethnic riff raff along its restive outer rim and coastal areas where land and resources need to be appropriated.

it obviously had to be pulled else "loss of face"
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isn't it the story of Tibet itself?
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India targets China's satellites

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The goals for India's anti-ballistic missile (ABM) and ballistic missile defense (BMD) programs may be shifting to accommodate an anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon more quickly than previously planned, and this could radically alter the agenda of US Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who is currently in the middle of a three-day visit to India.

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"If and when globally negotiated restraints are placed on such strategic defensive systems or technologies - perhaps restraints of some sort of ASAT testing/hit-to-kill technologies - India will already have crossed the technical threshold in that regard, and acknowledgement of such status [will be] grand-fathered into any such future agreement."

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After watching China's moves since the highly controversial satellite shootdown which China undertook in January 2007, India has now openly declared its desire to match China.

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"There is no reason to be surprised. India is anxious to be seen as not lagging behind China - ergo - if China has an ASAT program, India can do it, too. That's all there is to it." said Uzi Rubin, a defense consultant and former head of Israel's missile defense organization.
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RayC wrote: China removed as top priority for spies
Spies
From the above article ...
But administration officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the new policy is part of the Obama administration's larger effort to develop a more cooperative relationship with Beijing.
Well ... looks like Obama is taking inspiration from our own IK Gujral ... :P
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