Terrorist attack on Delhi High Court

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Sep 2011 07:18

Leave him. Another feku. Eat the salt and do dhoka.

niran · Post by **niran** » 09 Sep 2011 07:19

Azamgarh used to include Maunath bhanjan, it is a small town full of ROP follower 8 km east of Azamgarh
later on on popular demands it became a separate district with the name Mau, nath bhanjan hurts the delicate sensibilities of ROPiers hence removed, this is the main center of ROPiers, and as usual the streets
are few feet wide with extreme overcrowding and obviously hoards and hoards of unemployed ready to yell
AoA, Azamgarh now only have few scattered villages with ROPiers most are Doobai/Saudi walley and better
economic wise hence low terroristic trait, so at least at BRF we should be more specific and say Mau in place of wide brush Azamgarh.

WRT to Varanasi blast AdM R is spot on, it was supposed to serve two purpose
one to test new tech
two to blame those who wear Saffron Langoti(Indian underwear)

but some bumbling local pandus and local babu had the temerity to install a CCTV camera, more blasphemous was the fact that the CCTV network worked and absolutely death by stone throwing blashphemy local babu retrived the information along with video evidence of workers working and planting
the IED weeks before the blast, and the said workers were ROPiers hence all investigation was ordered shut it is "ongoing" on paper onlee.(this of course is from the Fly on the wall at Local Pandu ishtashun so no can quote me or proof or links)

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 09 Sep 2011 07:19

So, the question is this.. is there a majority feeling in India that INC should go. If not a spike of one or two here and there is useless for a revolt against them.. perhaps Anna Strategic Strikes (ASS) is the best option for anti-terror ops in India. It will work.. make the terror disappear at least as long as ASS is alive.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Sep 2011 07:28

Some one said DEL IED fingerprints have similarity with Varanasi IED's PSedosecularprints .

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Sep 2011 07:28

NIA widens probe after IM too claims credit for Delhi blast

Investigators tracked down the first email to a cyber-café in Kishtwar and detained three suspects on Thursday. The HuJI email claimed the attack within hours of the blast.

The home ministry said both claims were being verified and preventive steps being taken. But Delhi Police’s anti-terror team — ordered to assist the NIA — believe the IM email appeared credible. “We believe the blast seems to be the handiwork of a local module of the IM, not HuJI,” a Delhi Police officer said, adding they had sent out teams to Kashmir, Lucknow and western UP to pursue leads.

One officer spoke about surveillance mounted by the police in a western UP village, a little over 100 km from Delhi. “One of our teams is attempting to zero in on certain individuals residing at a particular village. It has been on surveillance since last evening,” he said.

3 injured missing from RML

The Special Cell of Delhi Police is on the lookout for three persons who seem to have disappeared after being admitted at Ram Manohar Lohia (RML) Hospital after the high court blast on Wednesday morning. The Cell, through a team of 15 officers, has asked the hospital administration to provide them the footage that CCTVs installed inside the hospital have recorded since patients started pouring-in at the facility after the blast.

"The trio has not been formally discharged and the addresses, which they provided us during a verification drive inside the hospital yesterday, have been found to be incorrect," said a senior police officer.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Sep 2011 07:32

May 25 could have been worse

The explosive found in the parking lot of the Delhi high court on May 25 was not a dry run for September 7 terror strike but an operation undone by faulty equipment and damp conditions. Investigators believe that the May 25 explosion and September 7 blast — the death toll climbed to 13 on Thursday — are the work of the same group, who learnt from the failed attempt.

The improvised explosive devices (IED) used are similar — both had shrapnel and timer devices, most likely mobile phones.

The May 25 attempt failed because of defective detonators and dampness, say forensics.

“More than one detonator was used in the May 25 IED. It can also be safely said the IED was bigger than the one used on Wednesday,” said an investigator, who refused to be identified as he is not authorised to speak to the media.

The battery didn't send enough charge for the detonator to set off the blast, burning the explosive, the investigator said.

"That left the ammonium nitrate-based IED unexploded. It also didn't help that the IED was packed in a bag and the area where it was left was damp." There is a distinct possibility that the person tasked with planting the bomb got nervous or ran out of time and couldn't assemble the bomb properly.

But no such mistakes were made while planting the explosive at the busy gate 5 of the high court. The IED was packed in a briefcase not a bag - protecting the explosive against rain and dampness.

And, a briefcase - commonly used by lawyers and litigants - would hardly arouse suspicion in a court complex.

"This time, the terrorists used pentaerythritol tetranitrate (PETN) which is a far better nitrate explosive than ammonium nitrate. It is a commercially available explosive used in mining," said a source, who didn't wish to be identified.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Sep 2011 07:33

so at least at BRF we should be more specific and say Mau in place of wide brush Azamgarh.

Check the google maps link. Saraya Mir(place of Abu Salem) and Biliariyaganj (IM guy who escaped from Batala house enc. was caught here) are in Aazamgarh. There are many pockets of mini pakistan around Aazamgarh. Mau has significant "peace" population but no IM or SIMI link has come up yet.
http://g.co/maps/sbnu4

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Sep 2011 07:35

Sketches of terror suspects hardly of help

The handing over of the probe of Wednesday's blast from the Delhi Police to the National Investigation Agency (NIA) means the latter will have to go back to the drawing board, quite literally. And the first thing the agency will have to redo is the sketches of the terror suspects. The new sketches will be prepared by the NIA's own men based on their questioning of witnesses of the high-intensity blast that shook Delhi High Court.

This is the first time the NIA is handling a terror probe.

While some senior officers of Delhi Police are worried that the old sketches released by it might not match the new ones, many others have welcomed the decision.

"We have been preparing sketches of suspects since the special cell came into existence in the late 1980s in the immediate aftermath of Operation Bluestar. But I don't really think a sketch has ever led us to a single terrorist," admitted a senior Delhi Police officer who did not want to be named.

A team of eight persons from the Delhi Police, under the supervision of an inspector, prepares sketches from over 48,000 specimens of 12 different 'sectors' of the human face.

A witness is made to go through, identify and help copy-paste each specimen based on his/her recollection of a face, usually viewed for a fraction of a second.

"What else can one expect of a person whose mind is clouded with painful memories? It's still possible to remember whether or not the suspect had a beard or not, but how can one remember everything from someone's hairstyle to the shape of the nose after looking at them for just a second or two?" the officer asked.

Sources claim majority of sketches — especially of terror suspects — that usually spring-up across the city before Republic Day or Independence Day are nothing but reproductions of earlier sketches with slight modifications.

"Some of these sketches have been in use for at least a decade now," said the officer.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 09 Sep 2011 07:40

niran wrote:Azamgarh used to include Maunath bhanjan, it is a small town full of ROP follower 8 km east of Azamgarh
later on on popular demands it became a separate district with the name Mau, nath bhanjan hurts the delicate sensibilities of ROPiers hence removed, this is the main center of ROPiers, and as usual the streets
are few feet wide with extreme overcrowding and obviously hoards and hoards of unemployed ready to yell
AoA, Azamgarh now only have few scattered villages with ROPiers most are Doobai/Saudi walley and better
economic wise hence low terroristic trait, so at least at BRF we should be more specific and say Mau in place of wide brush Azamgarh.

WRT to Varanasi blast AdM R is spot on, it was supposed to serve two purpose
one to test new tech
two to blame those who wear Saffron Langoti(Indian underwear)

but some bumbling local pandus and local babu had the temerity to install a CCTV camera, more blasphemous was the fact that the CCTV network worked and absolutely death by stone throwing blashphemy local babu retrived the information along with video evidence of workers working and planting
the IED weeks before the blast, and the said workers were ROPiers hence all investigation was ordered shut it is "ongoing" on paper onlee.(this of course is from the Fly on the wall at Local Pandu ishtashun so no can quote me or proof or links)

The Ulema council is active from Azamgarh as a "district". They have organized a lot and forced a roll-back of surveillance/"seacrh and sanitize" ops into the villages. They are being dubbed a "secular Muslim" movement by Islamophiles and claimed also to have support of oppressed "Hindu castes" - ironically claiming that even the "Dalit" movement has failed "Muslims" [what happened to the secular identity?] I agree Mau now contains a lot of foot soldiers, but the "elite" saudi/dubai wallehs of classical Azamgarh should not be assumed to be out of a share of leadership or patronage. In fact Islamophiles accused Adityanath as the "mafia" forgetting the illustrious Muslim sons of the soil engaged in the noble profession.

Would you say Indian rashtryia writ runs in Azamgarh if it goes against the wishes of the Islamist network in the ehole region?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Sep 2011 07:59

IM latest email unlike any of its earlier

The email that terror outfit Indian Mujahideen (IM) sent to the media on Thursday is unlike any of its previous cyber communications sent to own any attack, said counter-terrorism intelligence sources. IM's latest email claiming responsibility for the blast outside the Delhi high court is in conversational Hindi but in English alphabets, unlike its earlier emails that were composed in English and had displayed impressive language skills.

In another first, indicating the depletion of its resources specialising in communication for propaganda and recruitment purposes, the author of the email has mis-spelt the outfit's name as ‘Indian Muzahiddeen’, said a blast investigator.

The typical IM logo, depicting two masked men with AK-47 automatics, is also missing.

Unlike in the past, the latest email does not use the portable document format (PDF), nor was its content lengthy. The latest email is curt, unlike the previous communications's rhetorical style peppered with verses from religious scriptures and instances of perceived mis-treatment of Muslims in India.

The mail also does not bear the signatures of its alleged chief controllers Riyaz Bhatkal and Iqbal Bhatkal, who use the aliases of 'Guru Al Hindi' and 'Al Arbi'.

NIA spreads net: 5 detained in Jammu, 2 emails, too few leads

Investigators tracked the first email which had claimed responsibility — it was sent three hours after the blast from from [email protected] — to a cybercafe in Kishtwar town in Jammu district.

Those detained in Kishtwar were identified as: Khwaja Mehmood Aziz, the owner of the cyber cafe, Global Internet; his brother Khalid Aziz; their employee Ashwani Kumar; and two college students Imran Hussain Sheikh of Upper Malitath and Ashiq Hussain from Khandkoot in Doda.

The two students were reportedly among those who visted the cybercafe yesterday afternoon after the blast.

The cybercafe has been sealed and the computer used for sending the e-mail seized.

Located in Malik Market near Shaheedi Chowk, Global Internet cafe is frequented mostly by school and college students as it’s near many educational institutions and private coaching centres. While the owners would usually sit at the mobile repair shop adjoining the cyber cafe, their employee, Ashwani Kumar, would attend to customers at Global Internet.

Sources said the owners had not maintained proper records of customers, allowing the students to surf the net after just checking their identity cards.

“Nobody has been arrested so far,” said J&K Director General of Police Kuldeep Khoda. “We are in the process of questioning the cybercafe owners to trace the person who sent the e-mail”. He said the police are preparing sketches of the customers, based on the details provided by the Aziz brothers.

Confirming that the e-mail sent yesterday claiming responsibility for Delhi blast had been traced to the cyber cafe in Kishtwar, Khoda said: “We are waiting for the NIA team from Delhi to reach here for checking the hard disk of the seized computer.”

The cafe owners have no prior record of any militant links. While Mehmood is an engineer, one of his brothers, Yasir Aziz, is a doctor in Indonesia, while another brother is an agriculture graduate.

Even as this end was being explored, a second e-mail was received by media houses in Mumbai and Delhi at 12.37 pm from “[email protected]”, claiming that the “Indian Muzahiddin (sic)” was behind the blast. Denying any HuJI role in the blast, it dared the government and the police to stop it from striking at a shopping mall on Tuesday.

The mail purportedly said that they (the attackers) had chosen Wednesday as the day of the blast as it was a busy day for the High Court — it hears PILs on Wednesday.

“We are examining the (second) email... its authenticity and veracity and (we are) taking it seriously,” said Secretary (Internal Security) in the Home Ministry U K Bansal. However, the mail does not resemble the earlier messages sent by the Indian Mujahideen which had claimed responsibility for blasts in Varanasi and Delhi.

As police investigate the Kishtwar angle, sources aid that the area does have a significant number of “underground and overground” sympathisers of HuJI. On December 21, 2008, for example, the police arrested HuJI’s Sohail Ahmed, a resident of Chatroo in Kishtwar. Police said that during interrogation it emerged that Ahmed was allegedly involved in the 2007 Faizabad and Varanasi blasts.

A few months before Ahmed’s arrest, another alleged terrorist, Sabba, involved in the same blasts, had been gunned down in an encounter with the police in Kishtwar. Operations against the outfit in J&K, especially in Doda and Kishtwar areas, were stepped up between 2007 and 2010. Moreover, HuJI has in the past also targeted judicial establishments.

Incidentally, Bashir Ahmed Mir, HuJI’s India “commander-in-chief,” was killed in an encounter in the Doda district on January 25, 2008. Operating under the code-name Hijazi, police said, Pak-trained Mir was responsible for a series of attacks in many parts of the country in 2006-07, including the court complex bombings in Uttar Pradesh, the Ajmer shrine bombing, and the multiple bombings in Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh in May-August, 2007.

Senior J&K Police officials say the dense forests of the Pir Panjal mountain range in the Doda-Anantnag belt serve as an effective shield for the militants.

“It is possible that the e-mail claiming the responsibility for the blast was sent by an OGW. However, the owner did not ask for the identity papers of the person neither any record was made in the register maintained by cyber cafe owners,” said a NIA official.

Another district commander of the HuJI, Mohammad Amin alias Rahi was gunned down by security forces near a village in Kishtwar in 2008. Maulana Mohammad Yahya, the suspected chief of the group, was arrested on August 18 by the Bangladesh Rapid Action Battallion (RAB). Yahya has been designated as “specially designated global terrorist” by US while HuJI was designated as a “foreign terrorist organisation in 2008.”

Said Special Secretary (internal security) U K Bansal: “We are looking into the claim of IM. NIA is also being assisted by ATS team from neighbouring states.”

Apart from Delhi Police, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan and Punjab ATS have been roped in to help NIA. Union Home P Chidambaram also held a high-level meeting to take stock of the situation with the IB, R&AW chiefs along with NSA S S Menon were also present.

The agency said that forensic experts called from Gandhinagar and Hyderabad visited the blast spot on Thursday and are learnt to have found some “more material” which may have relevance to the investigation. The NIA team on Thursday also sought the help of Delhi Fire Services to gather some of the evidence scattered in the area.

A man from Patna who was arrested on charges of using a stolen ATM card, is also being interrogated. PTI, quoting official sources, reported that a person was detained at Srinagar airport on his return from New Delhi following an input received from a defence intelligence agency about a conversation on September 5. He had purportedly told his brother that “the work would be done by 11 am on September 7 and that he was reaching on September 6 and returning on September 8 after finishing the work.”

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Sep 2011 08:09

Bomber was in safari suit, placed briefcase, melted into the crowd: witness statement

In the absence of leads, police are closely examining what the statement of a key eyewitness in the Delhi High Court blast probe. This witness, an east Delhi resident (his name has been withheld to protect his identity), has told the police that the bomber was “wearing a safari suit,” placed the grey briefcase between the men’s and the senior citizens’ queues, turned back, disappeared into the crowd.

It was based on his version that one of the two sketches was prepared by the police.

The east Delhi resident, according to his statement accessed by The Indian Express, was standing at the end of the men’s queue and noticed a “middle-aged man” cross over from his queue to the senior citizens’ queue.

“He was a little ahead of me. He came from behind, jumped the queue and crossed over to the senior citizens’ queue,” he said. “While crossing over, he placed the briefcase in between. People realised there was something suspicious and raised an alarm but a minute later, the briefcase exploded.”

A Rajasthan Armed Constabulary (RAC) policeman standing near the senior citizens’ queue told The Indian Express that he heard people say “ye suitcase kiska hai” before it exploded.

The second sketch was based on the version provided by a woman in her mid-twenties who said that a man was trying to get in the women’s queue and “when he was asked what was he up to, he started an argument.” He later moved to the men’s queue, she said.

Probe handed over to NIA, so special cell officers miffed

The Centre has handed over the investigations related to both May 25 and September 7 Delhi high court blasts to National Investigation Agency (NIA). This had left the officers of Special Cell agitated as for the first time the once elite unit has received this kind of a setback.

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As the case is formally with NIA, the Special Cell officers can't take any suspect into custody for interrogation, which they see as a disadvantage. Sources say NIA has a very weak local intelligence system, which may lead to delay of many days in solving the case.

The manner in which the government has handed over the case to NIA, which is a two-year-old infant, has left the Special Cell wondering what to do with the 400 cops who are experts in technical analysis, intelligence, interrogating terror suspects, collecting forensic evidence and coordinating with other state police departments. The Cell might not be of much help to NIA in the case and officers there are working on an independent probe. They believe Indian Mujahideen is involved in the blast.

On Thursday, most of the sub-inspectors and inspectors of the Cell were busy in hospital formalities. Sources say they have questioned a few persons in the past 24 hours but there are no clues yet.

This unit has 400 cops and gets the support of all local police stations and units like crime branch and special branch while NIA has formed a team of 20 officers to investigate the blast.

There are also reports that the Special Cell cops are demoralized because of the government's attitude for the past few months. They feel they have not been allowed to work properly.

Special Cell has been instrumental in solving most of the blast cases in the country, including the unearthing of the Indian Mujahideen module after the September 19 Batla House encounter and had conducted operations in various states. Now, senior officers of Special Cell, Special CP P N Aggarwal and DCP Arun Kampani, are learnt to have asked them to catch robbers and drug peddlers.

Rain hampers probe, police say suspect may not be among victims

niran · Post by **niran** » 09 Sep 2011 08:25

@Sushupti Bilriyaganj is on the border of Mau and Azamgarh, Sarai Mir is a small market town straddling between Azamgarh and Jaunpur, both of these places are not Azamgarh proper.

@Bji, the fight now is between Thakur, Rai and Brahmin on one side ROPiers on the other side
so called Dalits are buffers getting burned from time to time.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Sep 2011 08:29

hnair wrote:^^^ How many billions of Indian taxpayer money did govt of India pay the pakis to snitch and otherwise help us out? There is a limit to kiss-assery too, saar

edited: removed emoticon.

From twitter:

sonaliranade SonaliRanade
RT @mpoppel: RT @HuffPostNY: Mayor: The NYPD has already foiled at least 13 terrorist attacks

Nothing to learn, I guess.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 09 Sep 2011 08:44

Give me a corresponding figure for India?

ullukapatha tweeted
delhi pandus have stopped 2056 attacks till date.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Sep 2011 09:28

One odd thing is common items like cement, fertilizer etc are all often adulterated. Its not like the farmer has a lab to check the purity of stuff sold to him.

So how come these ammo nitrate bums go off with deadly effect showing the purity of the chemicals?

sum · Post by **sum** » 09 Sep 2011 10:00

The manner in which the government has handed over the case to NIA, which is a two-year-old infant, has left the Special Cell wondering what to do with the 400 cops who are experts in technical analysis, intelligence, interrogating terror suspects, collecting forensic evidence and coordinating with other state police departments.

Just few pages back, there was a article about how the Special Cell was in virtual shutdown mode and only tracing robbers etc and this article says they are super-duper intel/forensic masters?

Which is correct?

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 09 Sep 2011 10:03

sum wrote:
The manner in which the government has handed over the case to NIA, which is a two-year-old infant, has left the Special Cell wondering what to do with the 400 cops who are experts in technical analysis, intelligence, interrogating terror suspects, collecting forensic evidence and coordinating with other state police departments.
Just few pages back, there was a article about how the Special Cell was in virtual shutdown mode and only tracing robbers etc and this article says they are super-duper intel/forensic masters?

Which is correct?

both

The personnel remain the same, the task is different.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 09 Sep 2011 11:35

Will the arrested suspects turn out to be innocent later? Is this a "quick-fix" action to create an impression that Inspector PC(louseau) is on the job?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ttack.html

India arrests three over Delhi bomb attack
Indian police have detained three people, including the owner of an internet cafe in Indian ruled Kashmir, over the deadly bombing of the Delhi High Court.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 09 Sep 2011 15:01

ramana wrote:It could be elements sympathetic to Digvijay Singh ideology.

Mumbai and this one smells of faction fight inside INC. The fact that NIA cant find the perpetrators means they are INC sponsored. Varanasi was trial of new way of IEDs. Mumbai was successful deployment. Now Delhi HC. Its to show PC his place. look at how people are reacting ot PC even here. He is the political target.

Indian police can find the clues in about 48 hrs typically even in the most difficult cases.

Unlikely sir. The price of getting caught in such a situation is political death which is too heavy for a politico.
As a matter of fact we are such a soft nation that every day a blast can be organised but they are done only on instructions of ISI which in turn takes decision on basis of international pressure on them.
Bombers are not getting caught because our police is in shambles/highly demoralised

PS-couple of people caught in name of Hindu terrorism was because of the fact that they were not trained by an agency like ISI. They left behind trails and were caught .

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 09 Sep 2011 15:08

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/third ... ack-132521

Third e mail says Ahmedabad is next target.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/delh ... 50610.html
Babbar Khalsa also being probed

Right now PC in front of press

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 09 Sep 2011 15:16

Below is a list of the various cases in the past two years which have remained unsolved.
-The Pune German Bakery blast of February 2010 in which 17 people were killed. The police are still clueless.

-The Jama Masjid attack in Delhi of September 2010. There has not been any specific lead on this one as well.

-The Varanasi blast of December 2010. The leads went to the IM, but there is not a single concrete breakthrough to date.

-The blast outside the Delhi high court on May 25 2010. Once again the police are in the dark.

-The blast outside the Chinnaswamy stadium in Bangalore on April 2010. The police have made one Salman alias Chotu as the suspect. But in reality there is no proper evidence to link him or the IM to that case.

-The Mumbai blasts of 13/7. Various theories, but in reality the police still continue to grope in the dark.[/list]

why so many cases remain unsolved?
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/why-m ... 110907.htm

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Sep 2011 16:10

The BeeB quotes PC absolves TSP. I guess TSP is involved only if Kiyani is caught red handed through CCTV planting and detonating a bomb. Or else as the BeeB concludes, TSP has been a pacifist neighbor of India with no malcontent, only India blames them

In the past, India has often blamed Pakistan-based groups for carrying out attacks on Indian soil.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 09 Sep 2011 16:36

India's Home Minister P Chidambaram has said it is likely that an attack on the Delhi high court was carried out by militants based in India.

"We can no longer point to cross-border terrorism as a source of terror attacks in India," Mr Chidambaram told the BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14849681

^^ How can he make a claim like this when investigation in previous blasts have reached no where. If he says Pak is not involved he should also tell who is involved?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Sep 2011 16:36

There is this debate on India's military strength or lack thereof to take on TSP. A measure of India's pathetic weakness is the manner in which discourse is framed and a certain patently false narrative established to India's detriment and to TSP's benefit. Its now becoming more and more common place to talk of terrorim in "South Asia", and not terror perpetrated by TSP. Its also that terrorist, presumably from Mars, aim to disrupt "piss" between India and TSP, and so India should should eschew inflammatory rhetoric. This is the major victory TSP has scored post 9/11. Contrast that whith absolute good Vs vile Al Queda evil with TSP in the "good guys" side that dominates the same terrorim that the white west confronts. Read this puke from the Economist

http://www.economist.com/node/21528657

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Sep 2011 16:44

IndraD wrote: ^^ How can he make a claim like this when investigation in previous blasts have reached no where. If he says Pak is not involved he should also tell who is involved?

Its now official Indian policy IMO to absolve TSP so that by showering so much love on TSP, so much self loathing, blaming "saffron terror", at least that will impress TSP generals to spare India. Its another self satisfying explanation to not take on TSP. Its much easier and self righteous to say the problem is internal than show the courage and natioonal sense of purpose in taking TSP to task. Already TSP is praising India for its maturity in not blaming TSP for the Delhi blasts, and thanking India for supporting TSP on EU import/exports. Maybe the Delhi blasts were a gentle reminder by TSP to India to deliver or else.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 09 Sep 2011 16:46

PS-couple of people caught in name of Hindu terrorism was because of the fact that they were not trained by an agency like ISI. They left behind trails and were caught .

they were falsely implicated... no one left a trail. those cases were done by islamofascist onlee. if brfite believes that col. purohit was guilty than what would aam junta do?

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 09 Sep 2011 17:53

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?734152

Delhi Police have received a third e-mail purportedly sent by Indian Mujahideen claiming responsibility for Wednesday's blast outside the high court along with a warning to the government of another attack.

Sources said the mail was sent to Delhi Police's official e-mail ID last night.

They said the sender identified himself as Ali Saed El-Hoorie and sent the mail from the ID [email protected].

"This is to inform you that the India Mujahideen claims the terror attack on Delhi High Court. I just want you to pass a message to the Indian Government that next blast will be so cruel that you people won't be able to forget it for decay (sic)," the e-mail read, according to the sources.

"...And if you are willing to know the next attack, it is 1,8,5,13,4,1,2,1,4 till you come to know what it stands for the next blast will be done. If you have any questions because we don't have time for anything," the sources said, quoting the e-mail.

The sources said the code numbers used by them can be interpreted as Ahmedabad.

any cryptologists here who can decode the above number sequence?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 09 Sep 2011 18:06

So the worm has turned.I apologise to all worms and other invertebrates.The lout...sorry ,louse,apologies to all lice,has with one swift statement absolved Pakistan of all terrorism! His utterly absurd statements above is meat and drink to Pak who can now happily plan any number of terrorist attacks against India taking the cue from PC that locals are behind it,no mattter even if we have Kasab behind bars.True,local sleeper cells funded and orchestrated by Pak are responsible,but a slimeball and coward like PC representing a gutless and utterly deceitful regime,who tremble in their dhotis and turbans at taking stern diplomatic or military action against Pak, expected by the people to defend the nation's honour for which they've been elected,and unmidful of the pain and suffering that the victims and their families are undergoing, are acting like Paki agents !

Who needs the ISI and any of its benami jehadi outfits to wage a proxy war against the country when PC without any proof of their non-involvment ,is now trying to cover up his total incompetence, has sanctified these acts as indigenous? In all future talks with Pak they will now pretend total innocence simply parroting to us PC's inanities and accuse us of terror in Baluchistan! Even if these acts are indigenous or have indogenous content,why hasn't he been able to stop them from happening with increasing regularity? Truly has this creature reached the level of his incompetence.

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 09 Sep 2011 19:04

Pranay wrote:http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?734152

Delhi Police have received a third e-mail purportedly sent by Indian Mujahideen claiming responsibility for Wednesday's blast outside the high court along with a warning to the government of another attack.

Sources said the mail was sent to Delhi Police's official e-mail ID last night.

They said the sender identified himself as Ali Saed El-Hoorie and sent the mail from the ID [email protected].

"This is to inform you that the India Mujahideen claims the terror attack on Delhi High Court. I just want you to pass a message to the Indian Government that next blast will be so cruel that you people won't be able to forget it for decay (sic)," the e-mail read, according to the sources.

"...And if you are willing to know the next attack, it is 1,8,5,13,4,1,2,1,4 till you come to know what it stands for the next blast will be done. If you have any questions because we don't have time for anything," the sources said, quoting the e-mail.

The sources said the code numbers used by them can be interpreted as Ahmedabad.

any cryptologists here who can decode the above number sequence?

AHEMDABAD

Too amateurish to believe.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Sep 2011 19:11

Philip, By absolving the TSP he is making himself relevant to the outside power brokers (massa aligned) after he realizes the terrorist strike undermines his position as MHA. No one who blames TSP is pasand to massa aligned folks.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 09 Sep 2011 19:15

we've said before, the game is all about negating the pak army's desire to create indo-pak tension through these acts - its the game plan between unkil and india for managing the situation

i can imagine many pindiwale jarnails jumping off their goodas in anger and frustration everytime they hear "it might have been saffronwalas"

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 09 Sep 2011 19:17

There is a point beyond which politicians cannot handle responses to attacks on Indian Institutions. The High Court might not be that point,but the Supreme Court could be such a point.The parliament attack was one possible checkpoint to let us restore our country's image by reacting violently towards the source of such an attack, but we missed the chance due to bad politics and interference.Exactly what event would trigger a full scale military response from India on the most obvious source of terrorism? The policy of case by case investigation is failing in the face of this "strategy of a thousand cuts" .

The only correct response to such a strategy is a counter attack - a full scale military retaliation- on terror camps and that will initiate sequence two - armed retaliation from the enemy, which must be met with great strength and determination.This is the only way I see terrorism coming to a closure.The push must be strong, it must surprise the world.I do not see any success in the measly peace talks that we keep touting all the time.They do not want peace with us, and were given plenty of time to rein in their wolves in sheep's clothing. We will win if we develop the courage to take a decisive step.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 09 Sep 2011 19:19

Dont see any logic. It would have needed less to spell out in letters. But the interesting aspect is the spelling - "hem" instead of "hme" which is more common. Was looking at those who use this version. The connection seems to point to designer/developer likely based in Guj itself. Could be entirely a prank, or just the tip of an operation mounted by much bigger players at "rashtra" levels - to try to take the Guj thorn out.

saip · Post by **saip** » 09 Sep 2011 19:21

any cryptologists here who can decode the above number sequence?

You dont need a cryptologist to decode this. A three year old can do that. This was probably sent by an unwashed abdul who has senn too many movies. AHEMDABAD. Could not even spell Ahmedabad!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Sep 2011 19:21

IndraD wrote:^^ How can he make a claim like this when investigation in previous blasts have reached no where. If he says Pak is not involved he should also tell who is involved?

Some members of the UPA government are very mindful of American interests and pressure. I now believe in the Mrs. IG dictum of 'foreign hand'.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Sep 2011 19:24

Sanjeevpunj, Unless there is irrefutable evidence that TSP is involved like capture of Kasab (by ordinary Mumbai police not to forget) it will be difficult. Hence ISI uses disgruntled Indians to carry out the attack to provide palusible denialbility because terrorism is handled as acrime so the burdenof proof is high. If terrorism by a state is handled as act of war then the burden of proof is smaller.

I want people to think what will be scenario if India decides to take conventional military strikes with the proviso that nuke escalation is on cards if deterrence breaks or outside forces intervene like PRC or massa. IOW deterrenc gets expanded from NFU. SS Menon already expanded NFU only to non-nuke/NWS states last year.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 09 Sep 2011 19:25

saip wrote:
any cryptologists here who can decode the above number sequence?
You dont need a cryptologist to decode this. A three year old can do that. This was probably sent by an unwashed abdul who has senn too many movies. AHEMDABAD. Could not even spell Ahmedabad!

No, it seems to be used also by some well known web design fronts.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 09 Sep 2011 19:28

Via Stratfor...might be useful info for us all.
<a href="http://www.stratfor.com/weekly ... STRATFOR.

Situational Awareness: How Everyday Citizens Can Help Make a Nation Safe
August 11, 2011 | 0853 GMT

Last week’s Security Weekly discussed the important role that grassroots defenders practicing situational awareness play in defending against terrorist attacks by individuals and small cells, what we refer to as grassroots militants. Anyone who reads STRATFOR’s security and terrorism material for any length of time will notice that we frequently mention the importance of situational awareness. The reason we do so, quite simply, is that it works. Situational awareness is effective in allowing people to see potential threats before — and as — they develop. This allows potential victims to take proactive measures to avoid a perceived threat, and it enables them or other observers to alert authorities.

While threats can emanate from a number of very different sources, it is important to recognize that terrorist attacks — and other criminal acts, for that matter — do not materialize out of thin air. In fact, quite the opposite is true. Terrorists and other criminals follow a process when planning their actions, and this process has several distinct steps. The process has traditionally been referred to as the “terrorist attack cycle,” but if you look at the issue thoughtfully, it becomes apparent that the same steps apply to nearly all crimes. Of course, the steps in a complex crime like a kidnapping or car bombing are far more involved than the steps in a simple crime such as purse-snatching or shoplifting, where the steps can be completed quite rapidly. Nevertheless, the same general steps are usually followed.

People planning attacks are vulnerable to detection during various phases of this process, and observant people can often spot such attacks developing. Therefore, situational awareness serves as one of the key building blocks of effective personal security, and when practiced collectively, national security. Since situational awareness is so important, we thought it would be helpful to once again discuss the subject in detail and provide a guide that can help describe what situational awareness is and explain how it can be practiced at a relaxed, sustainable level.

Foundations

First and foremost, it needs to be noted that being aware of your surroundings and identifying potential threats and dangerous situations is more of a mindset than a hard skill. Because of this, situational awareness is not something so complex and difficult that only highly trained government agents or specialized corporate security countersurveillance teams can practice it. Indeed, situational awareness can be exercised by anyone with the will and the discipline to do so.

An important element of adopting the mindset required to practice situational awareness is to first recognize that threats exist. Ignorance or denial of a threat — or completely tuning out one’s surroundings while in a public place — makes a person’s chances of quickly recognizing the threat and avoiding it slim to none. This is why apathy, denial and complacency can be (and often are) deadly. A second important element is understanding the need to take responsibility for one’s own security. The resources of all governments are finite and the authorities simply cannot be everywhere and cannot stop every criminal act. The same principle applies to private security at businesses or other institutions, such as places of worship. Therefore, people need to look out for themselves and their neighbors.

Another important facet of this mindset is learning to trust your “gut” or intuition. Many times a person’s subconscious can notice subtle signs of danger that the conscious mind has difficulty quantifying or articulating. Many people who are victimized frequently experience such feelings of danger prior to an incident but choose to ignore them. People who heed such perceptions are seldom caught off guard.

Levels of Awareness

People typically operate on five distinct levels of awareness. There are many ways to describe these levels (“Cooper’s colors,” for example, is a system frequently used in law enforcement and military training). But perhaps the most effective way to illustrate the differences between the various levels of awareness is to compare them to the distinct degrees of attention we practice while driving. For our purposes here we will refer to the five levels of awareness as “tuned out,” “relaxed awareness,” “focused awareness,” “high alert” and “comatose.”

The first level, tuned out, is the state of awareness a person exercises when he or she is driving in a very familiar environment or is engrossed in thought, a daydream, a song on the radio or even the kids fighting in the backseat. Increasingly, cellphone calls and texting are also causing people to tune out while they drive. Have you ever gotten into the car and arrived somewhere without even really thinking about your drive there? If so, then you’ve experienced being tuned out.

The second level of awareness, relaxed awareness, is comparable to defensive driving. This is a state in which you are relaxed but are also watching the other cars on the road and are looking well ahead for potential road hazards. If another driver looks as though he may not stop at the intersection ahead, you tap your brakes to slow your car in case he does not. Defensive driving does not make you weary, and you can drive this way for a long time if you have the discipline to keep yourself at this level, but it is very easy to slip into the tuned-out mode. If you are practicing defensive driving you can still enjoy the trip, look at the scenery and listen to the radio, but you do not allow yourself to get so engrossed in those distractions that they exclude everything else. You are relaxed and enjoying your drive, but you are still watching for road hazards, maintaining a safe following distance and keeping an eye on the behavior of the drivers around you.

The next level, focused awareness, is like driving in hazardous road conditions. You need to practice this level of awareness when you are driving on icy or slushy roads, or when the roads are infested with potholes and erratic drivers that exist in many Third World countries. When you are driving in such an environment, you need to keep two hands on the wheel at all times and have your attention totally focused on the road and the other drivers. You don’t dare take your eyes off the road or let your attention wander. There is no time for cellphone calls or other distractions. The level of concentration required for this type of driving makes it extremely tiring and stressful. A drive that you normally would not think twice about will totally exhaust you under these conditions because it demands your prolonged and total concentration.

The fourth level of awareness is high alert. This is the level that induces an adrenaline rush, a prayer and a gasp for air all at the same time — “Watch out! There’s a cow in the road! Hit the brakes!” This also happens when that car you are watching doesn’t stop at the stop sign and pulls out right in front of you. High alert can be scary, but at this level you are still able to function and quickly respond to danger. You can hit your brakes and keep your car under control. In fact, the adrenaline rush you get at this stage sometimes even aids your reflexes. But the human body can tolerate only short periods of high alert before becoming physically and mentally exhausted.

The last level of awareness, comatose, is what happens when you literally freeze at the wheel and cannot respond to stimuli, either because you have fallen asleep or, at the other end of the spectrum, because you are petrified from panic. It is this panic-induced paralysis that concerns us most in relation to situational awareness. The comatose level of awareness — or perhaps more accurately, lack of awareness — occurs when a person goes into shock, his or her brain ceases to process information and the person simply cannot react to the reality of the situation. Often when this happens, a person can go into denial, believing that “this can’t be happening to me,” or the person can feel as though he or she is observing rather than actually participating in the event. Often, the passage of time will seem to grind to a halt. Crime victims frequently report experiencing this sensation and being unable to act or react during an unfolding crime.

Finding the Right Level

Now that we’ve discussed the different levels of awareness, let’s focus on identifying what level is ideal at a given time. The body and mind both require rest, so we have to spend several hours each day at the comatose level while asleep. When we are sitting at our homes watching a movie or reading a book, it is perfectly fine to operate in the tuned-out mode. However, some people will attempt to maintain the tuned-out mode in decidedly inappropriate environments (e.g., when they are out on the street at night in a Third World barrio), or they will maintain a mindset wherein they deny that criminals can victimize them. “That couldn’t happen to me, so there’s no need to watch for it.” They are tuned out.

Some people are so tuned out as they go through life that they miss even blatant signs of pending criminal activity directed specifically at them. People can also be tuned out due to intoxication or exhaustion. It is not at all unusual to see some very tuned-out people emerge from airports after long, transoceanic flights. Criminals also frequently prey on intoxicated people.

If you are tuned out while you are driving and something happens — for instance, a child runs out into the road or a car stops quickly in front of you — you will not see the problem coming. This usually means that you either do not see the hazard in time to avoid it and you hit it, or you totally panic and cannot react to it — neither is good. These reactions (or lack of reactions) occur because it is very difficult to change mental states quickly, especially when the adjustment requires moving several steps, such as from tuned out to high alert. It is like trying to shift your car directly from first gear into fifth and it shudders and stalls.

Many times, when people are forced to make this mental jump and they panic and stall, they go into shock and will actually freeze and be unable to take any action — they go comatose. This happens not only when a person is driving but also when a criminal catches someone totally unaware and unprepared. While training does help people move up and down the awareness continuum, it is difficult for even highly trained individuals to transition from tuned out to high alert. This is why police officers, federal agents and military personnel receive so much training on situational awareness.

It is critical to stress that situational awareness does not mean being paranoid or obsessively concerned about your security. It does not mean living with the irrational expectation that there is a dangerous criminal lurking behind every bush. In fact, people simply cannot operate in a state of focused awareness for extended periods, and high alert can be maintained only for very brief periods before exhaustion sets in. The “fight or flight” response can be very helpful if it can be controlled. When it gets out of control, however, a constant stream of adrenaline and stress is simply not healthy for the body or the mind. When people are constantly paranoid, they become mentally and physically burned out. Not only is this dangerous to physical and mental health, but security also suffers because it is very hard to be aware of your surroundings when you are a complete basket case. Therefore, operating constantly in a state of high alert is not the answer, nor is operating for prolonged periods in a state of focused alert, which can also be overly demanding and completely enervating. This is the process that results in alert fatigue. People, even highly skilled operators, require time to rest and recover.

Because of this, the basic level of situational awareness that should be practiced most of the time is relaxed awareness, a state of mind that can be maintained indefinitely without all the stress and fatigue associated with focused awareness or high alert. Relaxed awareness is not tiring, and it allows you to enjoy life while rewarding you with an effective level of personal security. When you are in an area where there is potential danger (which is almost anywhere), you should go through most of your day in a state of relaxed awareness. Then if you spot something out of the ordinary that could be a threat, you can “dial yourself up” to a state of focused awareness and take a careful look at that potential threat — and also look for other threats in the area.

If the potential threat proves innocuous or is simply a false alarm, you can dial yourself back down into relaxed awareness and continue on your way. If, on the other hand, you look and determine that the potential threat is a probable threat, seeing it in advance allows you to take actions to avoid it. You may never need to elevate to high alert, since you have avoided the problem at an early stage. However, once you are in a state of focused awareness you are far better prepared to handle the jump to high alert if the threat does change from potential to actual — if the three suspicious-looking guys lurking on the corner do start coming toward you and look as if they are reaching for weapons. The chances that you will go comatose are far less if you jump from focused awareness to high alert than if you are caught by surprise and your mind is forced to go into high alert from tuned out. An illustration of this would be the difference between a car making a sudden stop in front of a driver who is practicing defensive driving and a car making a sudden stop in front of a driver who is sending a text message.

Of course, if you know that you must go into an area that is very dangerous, you should dial yourself up to focused awareness when you are in that area. For example, if there is a specific section of highway where a lot of improvised explosive devices detonate and ambushes occur, or if there is a part of a city that is controlled (and patrolled) by criminal gangs — and you cannot avoid these danger areas for whatever reason — it would be prudent to heighten your level of awareness when you are in those areas. An increased level of awareness also is prudent when engaging in common or everyday tasks, such as visiting an ATM or walking to the car in a dark parking lot. The seemingly trivial nature of these common tasks can make it all too easy to go on autopilot and thus expose yourself to avoidable threats. When the time of potential danger has passed, you can then go back to a state of relaxed awareness.

Clearly, few of us are living in the type of intense threat environment currently found in places like Mogadishu, Juarez or Kandahar. Nonetheless, average citizens all over the world face many different kinds of threats from a variety of criminal actors on a daily basis, from common thieves and assailants to militants planning terrorist attacks. Situational awareness can and does help individuals protect themselves in any environment. When practiced corporately, it can also prevent terrorist acts intended to shock and destabilize an entire society.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 09 Sep 2011 19:32

ramana wrote:Sanjeevpunj, Unless there is irrefutable evidence that TSP is involved like capture of Kasab (by ordinary Mumbai police not to forget) it will be difficult. Hence ISI uses disgruntled Indians to carry out the attack to provide palusible denialbility because terrorism is handled as acrime so the burdenof proof is high. If terrorism by a state is handled as act of war then the burden of proof is smaller.

I want people to think what will be scenario if India decides to take conventional military strikes with the proviso that nuke escalation is on cards if deterrence breaks or outside forces intervene like PRC or massa. IOW deterrenc gets expanded from NFU. SS Menon already expanded NFU only to non-nuke/NWS states last year.

It will not happen until domestic opposition gets to the point where it outshines the perceptions of the need to keep internal Islamists happy. Then just like CPC-PLA factional needs, one faction of the current regime may push for military action - to raise "nationalist" sentiment and bypass the threat to dynastic hold. we have not yet reached the point.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 09 Sep 2011 19:34

Waiting for the next instalment of the 1000 cuts is stupid.AHEMDABAD is quite obviously the correct decoding, and wrong spelling too, but it still can be a false lead, as they can designate a change in target last minute.No we got to focus eqally on all fronts, total alertness in all cities, and make a habit of being awake.