Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 2012

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jan 2012 10:53

Singha wrote:so how and why exactly is he in this film? was it made by a friend and he made a guest appearance and got some backstage 'partytime' with the babes as bonus?

In those days he would have been trying to show that Pakis are regular fun guys like anyone else. It was the kafir Indians who were bigots keeping 7000000000000000000000000 men in Cashmere raping 800000000 women per second and ripping open 5000000000 pregnant bellies every minute.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 19 Jan 2012 10:56

Singha wrote:so how and why exactly is he in this film? was it made by a friend and he made a guest appearance and got some backstage 'partytime' with the babes as bonus?

It maybe a favour returned for na-burqa favours bestowed on Yanquis travelling to Porkistun.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Jan 2012 11:26

Apparently the civvies in Pakistan are trying to throw a spanner in the works by insisting that Mansoor Ijaz should apply for a visa in the US before his visit to Pakistan since he is a US citizen.

Apparently Mansoor Ijaz is a US citizen but is reluctant to travel to the US these days and the Pakis are trying to get him to go to the US.

Question is why? Is he an ISI agent and afraid that he will be arrested on landing in the US?

But ofcourse Mansoor Ijaz can sidestep all this by taking a chartered flight to an Airforce base in Pakistan, which is what he most probably will do.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Jan 2012 11:49

Snubbed by Pakistan, US envoy goes to India

WASHINGTON: A US envoy on a mission to discuss post-war Afghanistan will head on a previously unscheduled trip to New Delhi after India’s rival Pakistan refused his visit, officials said Wednesday.

The State Department said Grossman would head Friday to India, whose support for Afghanistan and President Hamid Karzai is deeply resented by many Pakistanis who accuse New Delhi of trying to use the issue against Islamabad.

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said that the United States was not trying to send any message to Pakistan through Grossman’s trip to India and reiterated that he would have liked to visit.

Nuland said that the United States welcomed efforts by India, which has given more than $2 billion in aid to Afghanistan and plans to take a larger role training Afghan troops and security forces.

“We believe that India has a role to play in supporting a democratic, prosperous future for Afghanistan,” she said.

After New Delhi, Grossman heads to Afghanistan on Saturday for talks with Karzai. He is also visiting Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates on his nearly two-week trip.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Jan 2012 11:52

Apparently our Geelani (the JK fellow, who lives on Indian government pension) addressed Hafeez-e-pig's rally in Pakistan over telephone.

He should be thrown in jail for aiding an enemy of the state.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Jan 2012 12:03

Gilani contempt hearing

Gilani, while giving his speech before the bench, said that his party, the PPP, has always respected the judiciary.

He justified himself in front of the bench saying that he did not write the letter to Swiss authorities as ordered because the president has complete immunity.

The prime minister, in his closing remarks, said that President Asif Ali Zardari has immunity in Pakistan as well as abroad.

He added that he will appear before the court as many times as he is summoned.

Aitzaz Ahsan said that one paragraph of the NRO verdict was related to the president, however, the Constitution gives him immunity and the court should see the Constitution’s restrictions in his case.

Justice Khosa inquired whether the government will write the letter or not, but Ahsan said that an inquiry can be held against President Asif Ali Zardari only when he is not the president.

Ahsan added that the Constitution gives immunity to the post of the president and not to Asif Ali Zardari in particular.

Justice Sarmad also inquired why the government has not been writing the letter since two years.

Aitzaz Ahsan has asked for one more month to understand the case, and said that he does not have enough details at the moment.

The court gives 15 days time to Aitzaz Ahsan to prepare for the case, and to reply to the show-cause notice issued to PM Gilani.

Gilani, while speaking in front of the bench, had said, “I have come today to show my respect to this court… It will not give a good message to proceed against a president who is elected by a two-thirds majority.”

Law Minister Maula Bux Chandio remarked that the PM’s presence in the court signifies the independence of judiciary.

PPP spokesman Qamar Zaman Kaira said Gilani’s acceptance of the court summons “shows his respect” for the country’s highest court.

“We fight cases in the courts, we do not fight with courts,” Kaira added.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 19 Jan 2012 12:42

Manzoor Ijaz is indeed arriving in an airforce base and army is giving him security from there on. I read it some where.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 19 Jan 2012 13:38

" Former Pakistan president Mushar-rat won't return to Pakistan " according to undieTV

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jan 2012 14:07

Rajdeep wrote:" Former Pakistan president Mushar-rat won't return to Pakistan " according to undieTV

MUSHARRAF DOES A KARGIL ..AGAIN.

He skis downhill at the first hint of trouble

muahahahahahahahahahaha

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 19 Jan 2012 14:13

Won't return to Pakistan for now: Pervez Musharraf

London/Islamabad: Former Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf will not return to Pakistan in the near future. Musharraf changed his plan to return to Pakistan by the end of January on Thursday after almost three years in self-exile in London.

Leaders of Musharraf's All Pakistan Muslim League told the media that he had delayed his plans to return to Pakistan later this month after consulting friends and party leaders.

"Musharraf may not return to Pakistan this month. Close friends are advising him against returning now," said Muhammad Ali Saif, the former president's spokesman.

Come on Mushy don't chicken out now. BB had more balls than this guy.

member_20617 · Post by **member_20617** » 19 Jan 2012 14:22

Anujan wrote:Mansoor Ijaz confirms it is him and furthermore quotes:
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/pa ... 06699.html

"I did this as a favor for my wife's best friend, whose planned actor for the part did not show up for the shoot that day,"

"I was never present for any part of the video where those naked girls were shown. My wife was present at all times."

Looks like Ijaz is making feeble excuses! If it is Haraam for him surely it is also Haraam for his 'wife' to watch naked women. Does it mean that Islam 'allows' Muslim women to watch naked women but men are not allowed to watch naked women???? LoL!

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 19 Jan 2012 14:52

Pakistan scandal's latest twist: naked wrestling

It was unclear why the wrestling video, which was made in 2004 and has been viewed for years on the Internet, came to light only now. Ijaz's role was apparently spotted by a blogger late Tuesday and spread quickly through social media.

Now which BRFite did this to Mr. Mansoor eijaz.

I suspect it is Anjan ullah.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 19 Jan 2012 15:14

Dilbu wrote:Won't return to Pakistan for now: Pervez Musharraf
London/Islamabad: Former Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf will not return to Pakistan in the near future. Musharraf changed his plan to return to Pakistan by the end of January on Thursday after almost three years in self-exile in London.

Leaders of Musharraf's All Pakistan Muslim League told the media that he had delayed his plans to return to Pakistan later this month after consulting friends and party leaders.

"Musharraf may not return to Pakistan this month. Close friends are advising him against returning now," said Muhammad Ali Saif, the former president's spokesman.
Come on Mushy don't chicken out now. BB had more balls than this guy.

You mean he has balls?

Some titbits about Mooserat

Gen. Ziauddin, who was appointed Chief of Army staff by Nawaz Sharif on October 12, 1999 but failed to muster support from army officers, says former Army Chief Pervaiz Musharraf was about to be shown the door after a five member military panel found him involved in moral corruption.

“When Musharraf was a brigadier his promotion file was sent to Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, who refused to sign it saying that his service record was not good. He had been punished 7 times. Musharraf, who was expert at pulling strings, later approached President Ishaq Khan and the President sent his file back to the PM for a review. She eventually withdrew her reservations.

“Similarly, Gen. Asif Nawaz Janjua had formed a negative opinion about Musharraf because of his bad record. Had Gen. Asif not died suddenly he might have sent Pervaiz Musharraf home. Musharraf also used to plead with his seniors to get them write a better report on his performance, otherwise his record was marred with so much moral corruption that he could never be promoted.

“When Gen. Jahangir Karamat became the Army Chief a committee was constituted to probe moral corruption charges against Musharraf. It was headed by the Army Chief himself and included ISI Chief General Naseem Rana, Gen. Ehsan, Gen. Yusuf and I. Having gone through several names and photographic evidence the committee unanimously ruled to dismiss Pervaiz Musharraf.”

Why the decision was not implemented then? Ziauddin responded: “It was late in 1997. Gen Jahangir Karamat had been weakened. Tanks deal scandal hit the press and Musharraf used it to blackmail the Army Chief. Karamat had also earned government ire for proposing National Security Council. At one point Musharraf had given hopes on his career but these two issues changed the circumstances.”

I always knew he was a billi with no claws.

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http://ummatenglish.com/exclusive/2011/06/04/army-panel-was-to-dismiss-musharraf.html

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 19 Jan 2012 15:38

Pervez Musharraf is the Biggest Pussy in the world. Musharraf would probably wet his pants if someone even threatened him on a telephone. NDTV and NDA govt were the main culprits who gave this pussy audience and made him into a larger than life tiger.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 19 Jan 2012 15:51

http://kanchangupta.blogspot.com/2012/0 ... -fled.html

http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/jan/19kanch.htm

19/01/90: When Kashmiri Pandits fled Islamic terror

a local Urdu newspaper, publishes a press release issued by Hizb-ul Mujahideen , set up by the Jamaat-e-Islami in 1989 to wage jihad for Jammu and Kashmir's secession from India and accession to Pakistan, asking all Hindus to pack up and leave.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 19 Jan 2012 16:02

Alas! Normal programming has not resumed. Hopefully on Fridin since peese talks between bunnies and rats have broken down.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Jan 2012 16:05

Anujan wrote:Apparently the civvies in Pakistan are trying to throw a spanner in the works by insisting that Mansoor Ijaz should apply for a visa in the US before his visit to Pakistan since he is a US citizen. . . . . But of course Mansoor Ijaz can sidestep all this by taking a chartered flight to an Airforce base in Pakistan, which is what he most probably will do.

Anujan, great piece of information, as usual. The civvies can do nothing in that case other than perhaps complaining to the court that the respondent/witness has entered Pakistan illegally and his deposition cannot be heard by the Honourable court. The said Honourable court will not be inclined to concede that, which is a different point.

amit · Post by **amit** » 19 Jan 2012 16:09

rajanb wrote:Some titbits about Mooserat

Gen. Ziauddin, who was appointed Chief of Army staff by Nawaz Sharif on October 12, 1999 but failed to muster support from army officers, says former Army Chief Pervaiz Musharraf was about to be shown the door after a five member military panel found him involved in moral corruption.

“When Musharraf was a brigadier his promotion file was sent to Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, who refused to sign it saying that his service record was not good. He had been punished 7 times. Musharraf, who was expert at pulling strings, later approached President Ishaq Khan and the President sent his file back to the PM for a review. She eventually withdrew her reservations.

“Similarly, Gen. Asif Nawaz Janjua had formed a negative opinion about Musharraf because of his bad record. Had Gen. Asif not died suddenly he might have sent Pervaiz Musharraf home. Musharraf also used to plead with his seniors to get them write a better report on his performance, otherwise his record was marred with so much moral corruption that he could never be promoted.

“When Gen. Jahangir Karamat became the Army Chief a committee was constituted to probe moral corruption charges against Musharraf. It was headed by the Army Chief himself and included ISI Chief General Naseem Rana, Gen. Ehsan, Gen. Yusuf and I. Having gone through several names and photographic evidence the committee unanimously ruled to dismiss Pervaiz Musharraf.”

Why the decision was not implemented then? Ziauddin responded: “It was late in 1997. Gen Jahangir Karamat had been weakened. Tanks deal scandal hit the press and Musharraf used it to blackmail the Army Chief. Karamat had also earned government ire for proposing National Security Council. At one point Musharraf had given hopes on his career but these two issues changed the circumstances.”
I always knew he was a billi with no claws.

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http://ummatenglish.com/exclusive/2011/06/04/army-panel-was-to-dismiss-musharraf.html

"Moral corruption" could only mean he has a weakness for women (or is it little boys?, you never know). I wonder what files the CIA has on this aspect. Honeytraps are not uncommon.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 19 Jan 2012 16:16

could be financial, he is greedy after all.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Jan 2012 16:25

MurthyB wrote:
Satya_anveshi wrote:Everyone in the court room must be made to see that video and hopefully other much better content and decide whether MI is a good enough muslim to be acting as witness or if he should be bringing more witnesses. Jokers in the pack are Justice Chaudhary and Kiyani or on second thought, is it us?
He is an Ahmadi.

It doesn't matter whether he is a 'good Muslim' or a kafir. Uncovered meat will always attract cats and the cats cannot be blamed for that, according to the Oz ulema.

amit · Post by **amit** » 19 Jan 2012 16:25

Rahul M wrote:could be financial, he is greedy after all.

Could be, but then in a corrupt Army where all top officials are US$ millionaires and they became that by looting the country, would financial corruption warrant a dismissal? According to the report there were several instances when he was nearly dismissed. Also I'm curious at the use of the word moral, in an increasingly Islamised Army weakness for women and booze would be considered a moral issue.
Anyway we always knew Mushy was a rat, so nothing new for us.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 19 Jan 2012 16:26

I have so much of contempt and anger on Shri.Vajpayee and his government for not having a "read" on this "billi". Lot of Indians died because we failed to read this billi. This is one aspect I like in the Americans where they put in a lot of time and effort in understanding the decision making person and devise negotiating strategies tailored to the target subject. This is one skills we apparently lack. I hope we dont make the same mistake again.
aaaaaaaaaaggggggghhhhhhhh

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jan 2012 16:44

Shankaraa wrote: Looks like Ijaz is making feeble excuses! If it is Haraam for him surely it is also Haraam for his 'wife' to watch naked women. Does it mean that Islam 'allows' Muslim women to watch naked women but men are not allowed to watch naked women???? LoL!

Boss his wife was watching naked women in front of hundreds of cheering men. Question is - was she there with a first degree relative? Her husband denied being there. Was it her father or brother who were present with her? But if it was here father or brother, what were they doing watching those naked women?

Nothing is right here.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 19 Jan 2012 17:07

>>MUSHARRAF DOES A KARGIL ..AGAIN.

I always had a feeling , that he won't return. he is rumored to have bought ranches in us. (texas ?) he is probably a $ billionaire. he is less dumb than bebe was. he just intends to stay in limelight and make some money. everyone knows that paki is not salvageable.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Jan 2012 17:14

shiv wrote:
Shankaraa wrote: Looks like Ijaz is making feeble excuses! If it is Haraam for him surely it is also Haraam for his 'wife' to watch naked women. Does it mean that Islam 'allows' Muslim women to watch naked women but men are not allowed to watch naked women???? LoL!
Boss his wife was watching naked women in front of hundreds of cheering men. Question is - was she there with a first degree relative? Her husband denied being there. Was it her father or brother who were present with her? But if it was here father or brother, what were they doing watching those naked women?

Nothing is right here.

May be just a good old fashioned sandwich job onlee. We may be reading too much into it.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Jan 2012 17:16

Altair wrote:I have so much of contempt and anger on Shri.Vajpayee and his government for not having a "read" on this "billi". Lot of Indians died because we failed to read this billi. This is one aspect I like in the Americans where they put in a lot of time and effort in understanding the decision making person and devise negotiating strategies tailored to the target subject. This is one skills we apparently lack. I hope we dont make the same mistake again.
aaaaaaaaaaggggggghhhhhhhh

All management and negotiating techniques go out the window when the nobel is dangled in front of their greedy little eyes. Politics 101.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 19 Jan 2012 17:26

Shahid Afridi top prize in Bangladesh Twenty20 auction

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 552472.cms

Afridi was sold to the Dhaka franchise for $700,000 after some intense bidding involving five of the six franchises for the Feb. 10-28 tournament, which is based on the successful Indian Premier League model.

The all-rounder, however, will only be available for the final two days of the opening BPL campaign as he is on national team duty against England in the United Arab Emirates.

Tournament organizers said the money would be given to the players proportionately for the matches they are available.

And now here comes the last part

India-based Game On Sports Management will run the tournament after winning the bid from the Bangladesh Cricket Board for six years for $44.33 million.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 19 Jan 2012 18:40

Looks like a Paki can get on the FBI Top 10 without going Jihadi

Was searching for something and hit upon this.

From Wiki

Maghfoor Mansoor (March 3, 1966 - May 11, 2001) was a Pakistani native who was a cab driver and tour guide and a former fugitive in the United States who had been on the FBI 10 Most Wanted Fugitives list During his crime rampage, he had committed a variety in criminal acts in several U.S. states, including sexual assault, robbery, and carjacking, and he caused the death of one person in a hit and run accident while attempting to flee law enforcement. His spree ended on May 11, 2001 in a New York hotel when he was shot to death by law enforcement agents.
It was believed that compulsive gambling was his motivation for his life of crime as he became desperate to obtain money for additional gambling.
In 2002, the story of Mansoor's life of crime was aired on The FBI Files, in an episode titled "High Stakes."
Crimes

Mansoor was either convicted of or wanted for the following crimes:
In 1996, he was convicted of sexually abusing a 14-year-old girl[6]. He served 6 months in prison .
In 1997, he was sentenced to 11 months in prison for violating the conditions of a plea agreement .
Kidnap and sexual assault of a 17-year-old girl in Las Vegas
Was the suspect in a 1998 Las Vegas rape case, but was never charged
Robbery of the Trump Taj Mahal hotel of over $500,000 in cash and valuables
On January 9, 2001, he was wanted for causing the death of a construction worker in Louisiana . This occurred after he was attempting to purchase a ticket at Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport in New Orleans, when the sales clerk became suspicious of him and alerted police. Confronted by officers, he dashed into the airport's parking garaged and carjacked a woman. He then led police on a high speed chase with the stolen vehicle, which he crashed into the worker, causing fatal injuries .

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 19 Jan 2012 18:56

Altair wrote:I have so much of contempt and anger on Shri.Vajpayee and his government for not having a "read" on this "billi". Lot of Indians died because we failed to read this billi. This is one aspect I like in the Americans where they put in a lot of time and effort in understanding the decision making person and devise negotiating strategies tailored to the target subject. This is one skills we apparently lack. I hope we dont make the same mistake again.
aaaaaaaaaaggggggghhhhhhhh

And not to mention instead of declaring him a war criminal, recognized his regime and shamelessly welcomed him to India. I don't remember any other country in the world has such record.... jane do yaar, gare murde ukhadke ab kya milenwala hai...

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 19 Jan 2012 19:23

from Down.com and posted in full:

U Turn by P Country?

Does it mean the civvies are beginning to gain turf?

Posted in full.

Pakistan to resume full spectrum of ties with US: FO

ISLAMABAD: With the parliamentary re-evaluation of the relationship with the US nearing completion, Pakistan has indicated that it was set to resume full spectrum of bilateral ties.

“We are looking forward to re-engaging with the US on issues of mutual interest and importance,” Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit said on Thursday at the weekly media briefing.

The desire to re-engage, Mr Basit noted, was mutual as both sides were interested in getting past the last November border incident in which 24 Pakistani soldiers lost their lives.

The Nato attacks had led to review of terms of engagement with the US.

During the review process, Islamabad refused to welcome visiting US officials — the latest being the cancelled trip of Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan Marc Grossman.

Mr Basit’s comments come after Parliamentary Committee on National Security completed the review of the relations with Washington.

The 35 recommendations submitted by the parliamentary body for ratification by a joint sitting of the parliament have agreed to renew the “important” relationship based on “mutual respect and mutual interest.”

The recommendations are likely to sail through the parliament because of the bi-partisan nature of PCNS, which has drafted them.

The recommendations would set the parameters for the complicated relationship between the two allies in war on terror.

Mr Basit, speaking about the PCNS recommendations, said: “We’ll lead to a positive outcome for both sides (Pakistan and the US.)

He further said that Pakistan’s desire was to have a more stable relationship that was not accident prone.

“We want relationship that is free from ups and downs of a roller coaster ride.”

The most significant development expected as a result of the resumption of ties is the restoration of the suspended Nato supply route.

Though, Mr Basit twice said at the briefing that he was unaware about any proposal to reopen the blocked route, diplomatic sources have separately indicated that PCNS had paved the way for the government to reopen the Nato supply route after getting assurances from the US that there will be no repeat of the 26/11 attacks on Pakistani border posts by coalition forces in Afghanistan.

The government may introduce new conditions, including a tax on the Nato cargo transported through Pakistan, before announcing the resumption of the flow of supplies through its territory.

The government had reacted to the November 26 border incident by closing down the crucial supply route and asking the US to vacate the Shamsi airbase, which was once used for drone attacks. The airbase was vacated within the deadline given by the government.

During the closure of the supply route that is now into tenth week, tens of thousands of containers with supplies for coalition forces in Afghanistan have piled up at the Karachi port. US vessels again started arriving at the port with more supplies earlier this month following a secret meeting in Qatar between ISI Chief Lt Gen Shuja Pasha and US officials.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Jan 2012 19:52

the civilians are mounting a coup against the army! ROTFLMAO

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Jan 2012 20:01

rajanb wrote:U Turn by P Country?
During the review process, Islamabad refused to welcome visiting US officials — the latest being the cancelled trip of Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan Marc Grossman.

Mr Basit’s comments come after Parliamentary Committee on National Security completed the review of the relations with Washington.

Right. The review is a work in progress and it still has to be approved. The fear that their obstinacy will benefit India has made them come to their senses.

US special envoy swings by India after Pakistan rebuff

WASHINGTON: Perceptibly tiring of Pakistan's tantrums, the Obama administration has indicated that it will be Pakistan's loss if it stays out of the reconciliation process in Afghanistan. It directed Marc Grossman, its special envoy to the region, to travel to India on Friday for talks after Islamabad rejected his proposed visit.

Although US officials maintained that "in no way" is Washington sending a message to Pakistan because of the rebuff, a State Department spokesperson confirmed that Grossman was making a previously unscheduled stop in New Delhi on Friday.

"We believe that India has a role to play in supporting a democratic, prosperous future for Afghanistan. They're very much a player in the New Silk Road Initiative. These are all part and parcel of the same fight, talk, build strategy" spokeswoman Victorial Nuland said at a briefing, adding that India supports police training and other things in Afghanistan "so it's important that we keep those lines of communication open."

Nuland maintained that there was no policy change in Washington to accommodate India in any new role, insisting, "They've been part of many consultations. Not new." But she confirmed that New Delhi was not previously part of Grossman's itinerary.

The unmistakable sub-text in comments from various administration officials and analysts in Washington in recent days is that Pakistan is cutting itself out of the picture in Afghanistan in course of its self-destructive behavior. How Washington will get around the geographic access to Afghanistan {Baluchistan} that Pakistan largely controls is not clear, but Washington's patience with Pakistan is clearly wearing thin.

"We made clear that we would welcome a stop by ambassador Grossman in Islamabad on this trip. You know that the Pakistanis are looking hard internally at our relationship. They asked us to give them time to do that. So he will not be going there on this trip," Nuland said at the briefing, describing the special envoy's sortie to the region as an "organic trip" during which "he's going to go where he thinks he can do some good and where consultations can be helpful." There was a time not too long ago when New Delhi resisted visits by US special envoys because it feared linkage of Washington Afghan problem with the Kashmir issue.

US officials are making no secret of the fact that it has a crisis-stricken relationship with Pakistan now, but after initially doing the heavy lifting to address Pakistan's perceived humiliation in the aftermath of the Osama episode, Washington is now suggesting the onus is also on Islamabad to repair ties and that it cannot be held to ransom any more.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 19 Jan 2012 20:31

Pakistan: No extension to be given to ISI chief
ISI Chief Shuja Pasha may not get the extension when his extended term expires in March. In a new found assertiveness , GOP has apparently decided on this issue and would name a successor two weeks before Pasha's retirement.

Islamabad: The Pakistan government will not grant any further extension to ISI chief Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha, whose current term ends in March, and is considering the names of three generals to replace him, according to a media report published on Thursday.

The government's decision not to grant any further extension to Pasha, a close aide of army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, was made against the backdrop of a recent spike in tensions between the civilian administration and the military.

The front-runners for the post of ISI chief include Chief of General Staff Lt Gen Wahid Arshad, Karachi Corps Commander Lt Gen Muhammad Zahirul Islam and Peshawar Corps Commander Lt General Khalid Rabbani, 'The Express Tribune' quoted its sources as saying. All three are to retire in 2014.

Quoing from Tribune also.

ISLAMABAD:

Given the spike in civil-military tensions, it comes as no surprise that the embattled government will not pursue any further extension to retain the services of Director General (DG) of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Lt General Ahmed Shuja Pasha.

To the contrary, the government is believed to be actively considering naming a successor before General Pasha’s extended tenure comes to an end on March 18. There have also been no indications that army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani would be interested in an extension for the current DG ISI.

The appointment of a successor will assume greater significance in the backdrop of recent tensions. Even though the prime minister has the authority to appoint the future spymaster, it would be a rare move for the civilian government to take the decision without the military establishment on board.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 19 Jan 2012 20:39

Lalmohan wrote:the civilians are mounting a coup against the army! ROTFLMAO

Funny as it may seem regarding things next door, I for one do not believe in happy endings. Things can turn around in one day of madness as has happened in the past for atleast half a dozen times.
PA is just buying time.
JMT

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Jan 2012 21:41

Pakistan want to mend relations because their economy is in Pakistan and neither china nor the Saudis are too keen to help them. Also this time they overplayed their hand.

In unrelated news: Norway security chief quits after foolishly revealing that they have spies in Pakistan

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/can ... story.html

Ah well: Apparently Mansoor Ijaz went to London and got a visa. Lest we forget, Paki ambassador to UK is that Shamsul Hassan who went on TV and claimed that Mumbai attacks were planned in a ship in international waters so Pakis were not responsible. Also claimed that US abbottabad raid was a joint operation (the latter statement was shot off his mouth to help Khakis H&D, but backfired, since it (a) showed Khakhis were traitors against the more pure (b) Caused civvies to use it as a stick to beat him up, because they want him to testify what he knew about OBL raid and who told him it was a joint op)

Wonder why Mansoor Ijaz didnt want to go to the US? With letters and accusations flying from him to Gen Jones and Adm Mullen, many three letter agencies in massa want to have a friendly chat with him perhaps?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Jan 2012 23:32

Chakke pei Chakka, Chakke pei gaardi
Chaklala mei ootri Mansoor ki Swari..
Dekh Swari, Dekh Mazari, Abdul ne chheekh yeh marri..

Faithfools Fool Barsao, Mansuar Ijaaz ayya hai
Ahmadi ijjaz ayya hai
O Kyani , Tuu Abb Menhdi Lagga qatil haatho mei
Latto ke Djinn Na Sudrenge siraf teri Baato sei
Ehh And Dee ko Bacchhao
Dus percenti ko Dojakh Dikhayo
Ijjaz ayya hai, BBerry bhi saath layya hai.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Jan 2012 00:09

So more on the Supreme Court drama in Pakiland.

Apparently groper walked in with 40 PPP stalwarts and hundreds of PPP supporters outside the court raised anti-Supreme Court slogans....and..wait for this....lawyers and "Pro-supreme court elements" raised anti PPP slogans in the court.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Jan 2012 00:38

Shashi Tharoor on his Pakistan visit:

http://www.asianage.com/columnists/warmth-pak-589

Rather than attempt a comprehensive analysis of relations with that country — which should probably wait my next book! — I’d like to offer readers a few personal observations from my visit.

The most striking thing about being an Indian in Pakistan is the warmth of the welcome one receives. We were bowled over by the kindness and hospitality extended to us by all — from the hosts, most of whom we had never met before, who offered us elaborate meals in impressive company, to the paanwallah who refused to take money from us and ran after us with tissues to ensure his succulent concoctions did not drip onto our clothes.

Read it fully for his nuances.

But I cannot help but notice Shiv's repeated comments that most people get a misperception due to talking only with the elite. In this case Tharoor spoke to elites who feel unsafe in Pak and wish they had the liberty that India has or with people like artists and designers who knows they are skating on thin ice (by doing haraam activities like art). In short, Tharoor spoke to India's "Pakistani-electorate"

I hope Tharoor is not oblivious to the irony in his article. He speaks about being treated graciously by Najam Sethi who lives in a fortified home in a self imposed exile. Who is Sethi hiding from? How would Tharoor be treated by people who Sethi is hiding from?

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 20 Jan 2012 02:13

^^^^ the well-dressed pakis want something from India and is grinning (temporarily) at us in a creepy, ingratiating way. IMO, the entire gamut of kiss-assery is revealing. Almost a viceregal visit, complete with patting of heads and correctional taps on bowed heads with rolled-up speech sheets.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Jan 2012 02:35

HN, I dont understand the need for that article from Econ Times. The US is playing the India card to make the TSP behave and once TSP sees the ligh tit will be all hunky dory between the two. While pontifcating about how relations should not be zer-sum games, the US has been playing the zero-sum game between India and TSP.
Instead of telling the visitor to stuff it they are rolling the red carpet.