Islamic Britain & The Compromised Western Civilization

[devesh]

^^^
now some of our forum residents will step in promptly and show us how it's all because of anti-muslim terror and discrimination.

[nachiket]

In my experience there are two things that lead to Muslim women shifting to more conservative clothing
- When they're conscious of being a minority

How does this compute? If they are conscious of being in a minority why would they want to exacerbate the feeling even more by wearing Burkhas and headscarves.

- When the standards of the society they live in - whether South Asia or the West- becomes more sexually permissive. Modernity means that women are working, studying and running errands on their own or without elders.

The West, including Britain has been sexually permissive since the sixties. In fact, it might have been even more so back in the sixties than now. So why the increase in Burkha wearing Muslim women now?

The more likely cause is that they see people (read men) of their own community getting more and more conservative and don't want to tick them off and land in a soup because they dared to dress like any other women.

[Agnimitra]

I suppose this article reflects Johann's hopes:

My place or my group - In divided spots, local bonds can help

A FEW years ago, I asked a Muslim, Kashmiri-born politican who had won prominence in Britain about his view on the government's latest plans for combating extremism and promoting social cohesion. "Well, I look at this as a Yorkshireman," he replied, with only a hint of irony. "We Yorkshire folk never like it when Londoners tell us what to do."

Common loyalty to a city or a region, transcending religious, ethnic or ideological affiliations, often produces memorable vignettes. Earlier this year, television cameras homed in on a hijab-wearing teenage girl, cheering wildly as the footballers of Bradford City, her home team, played an away game against a rival cub. Interviewed afterwards, she was torn between defensive loyalty to her native Bradford, one of the most heavily Muslim cities in the north of England, and embarrassment over being singled out. One day, perhaps, the serried ranks of Bradford fans will include lots more hijab-wearing women (that being the standard female attire in certain parts of the city) chanting enjoyable insults to rival cities and teams, in unison with rowdy men of all persuasions.

Or take a more current example, again from northern England. In Bolton, another city with a large Muslim population, residents of all religions and races have felt a surge of nativist pride in the boxing feats of Amir Khan, a pugilist of Muslim Pakistani origin who loves to wave the British flag even though he has spent a lot of time recently in America.

But I think its a superficial appreciation of what's going on, and a false hope. Arab Egyptians today are very attached to their Egyptian identity and show off artifacts like the pyramids. But it doesn't make them any less Islamist, any kinder to Coptic Christians, or any more enthusiastic about pre-Abrahamic Egyptian culture. All the more so in this globalized age, significant Muslim minorities in infidel countries are going to wear 2 identities that don't fit comfortably together.

[Prem]

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... -jew-.html
British MP to IDF Soldier: ‘You Look Like a Bloody Jew’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... XrLpkor-L8

British MP has been caught on tape by a BBC documentary crew making an anti-Semitic comment, the Commentator reports.ormer Conservative Party Member of Parliament Patrick Mercer, who had to resign his party’s whip following lobbying allegations, was caught on camera making the outrageous comments about a female soldier in the Israel Defense Force.Mercer is secretly filmed recounting a story of an encounter with a female IDF soldier during a visit he made to the Jewish state. “You don’t look like a soldier to me. You look like a bloody Jew,” he told her

[sanjaykumar]

Vintage Anglo-Christian culture.

[RajeshA]

I suppose this article reflects Johann's hopes:

My place or my group - In divided spots, local bonds can help

A FEW years ago, I asked a Muslim, Kashmiri-born politican who had won prominence in Britain about his view on the government's latest plans for combating extremism and promoting social cohesion. "Well, I look at this as a Yorkshireman," he replied, with only a hint of irony. "We Yorkshire folk never like it when Londoners tell us what to do."

This is something commonplace in Europe. Muslims always identify themselves with the city where they live, be these in Netherlands, Germany or France.

Again Westerners get taken for a ride. When a Muslim identifies himself with a city, be Amsterdam, Yorkshire, Berlin or Paris, he is saying the city belongs to him, and nobody can throw him out.

But usually these Muslims would never identify themselves with the national identity like French, German, Dutch, etc. The identification with the city is to avoid the question of the loyalty to the country, to the nation. And yes, Europeans get taken in by this little taqiyya trick.

[Agnimitra]

^^^ An example of that mentality minus the taqiyyah is Akbaruddin Owaisi's recently notorious speech. He and his Razakar's are not bhagodas like Advani. They possess a part of the land even in death, whereas the dead Hindu goes up in smoke, he said.

[arun]

Manager of boxing champion Ricky Burns faces racism probe after vicious comments against Muslims appear on his Facebook page

Self-inflicted dhimmism in the UK. Being positive about a religion not generally followed by white Anglo Saxons such as Hinduism and Sikhism is not sufficient to deflect the charge of being racist if one criticises Mohammadenism.

One of the comments that created the rumpus :

“The radical Muslims are bringing about the end of our civilised world and we allow it and pay them benefits as well.

“I am not suggesting that we go out and start burning mosques but we should boycott their shops. The Sikhs and Hindus are good people but the other lot are filthy, conniving, cunning, deceitful scum.

“They treat their woman as inferior beings and say that ‘white’ girls are just for practice. It turns my stomach when I see a white girl swathed from head to foot like a Muslim with one of these pigs.”

[Agnimitra]

But there's also a real difference between London and the now dead-end mill towns that so many Pakistanis settled down in the 1960s before the British textile industry died.

Economic growth combined with high quality public educations and job creation has made a real difference for lagging groups. It doesn't bear to compare schools and job prospects in East London and say Dewsbury.

As I said social mobility plays a very important role over the medium to long term. People who feel like they've got something to lose are much more likely to avoid serious risks and keep climbing the ladder.

But it seems that even the more economically well-off British Moslems are taking steps towards greater Islamization. Consider this report yesterday:

Students evacuated after fire at Islamic school

The £3,000-a-year boarding school was established in 1988 with the purpose of producing "great scholars and Huffaz (people who have memorised the Koran) to preserve and transmit the eternal message of Allah".

What kind of British Moslem families would be sending their children to such a school? Working class?

[Agnimitra]

US accuses Briton of aiding ‘lone wolves’

A WEB designer from southeast London faces a possible life sentence in America after being accused of working for al-Qaeda’s online propaganda machine and helping to fuel a new wave of terrorists.

Minh Quang Pham, 30, a Muslim convert from New Cross, allegedly helped to produce copies of Inspire magazine, a slick English-language internet publication used by so-called “lone wolf” jihadists, including the Boston bombers.

The US authorities requested Pham’s extradition from Britain after he travelled to Yemen and allegedly met Anwar al-Awlaki, the former spiritual leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP).

[eklavya]

BBC:

English Defence League rally bomb plotters jailed

Six men from the West Midlands have been jailed for up to 19-and-a-half years each for planning to bomb an English Defence League rally.

Omar Khan, Jewel Uddin, Mohammed Hasseen, Mohammed Saud, Zohaib Ahmed and Anzal Hussain had all admitted terrorism offences in April.

Five of them had taken a bomb, knives and sawn-off shotguns to last June's rally in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.

But the plotters arrived two hours after the EDL event had ended.

The men, who all lived in or near Birmingham, were caught by chance after a car being used by two of them, and carrying weapons, was stopped by police on the M1 after the rally and found to have no insurance.

[eklavya]

BBC:

Teenagers released after Islamic Darul Uloom School fire

Four teenagers arrested on suspicion of arson after a fire at an Islamic boarding school in south-east London, have been released on bail.

The two 17-year-olds and two 18-year-olds were arrested after the incident at the Darul Uloom School in Foxbury Avenue, Chislehurst on Saturday night.

About 128 pupils and staff were evacuated from the school and two were treated for smoke inhalation.

All four have been bailed until August while investigations continue.

[joygoswami]

Jo Lawhore me g***du woh Ashton me bhi.....

Tensions high in British town after Paki Youths attack "white girls"

Video circulating online showed a gang of what is reported as British-Pakistani youths attacking young "white girls" at a bus stop.The assault, which apparently included cricket bats, and included a young man launching into a flying kick on a girl, is thought to have occured on Monday night.

[arun]

BBC reportedly liberally uses the 12 character word “Islamophobia” even as it drops the 12 character word “Anti-Semitism” in favour of the word “Jewish claims” which also happens to be 12 chracters long :

BBC alters title, avoids use of ‘anti-Semitism’ noting the word length, critics ask about ‘Islamophobia’

[Sushupti]

Sacrificing Our Daughters: On the Psychology of Islamic Rape-Gangs

[Lalmohan]

^^^ hits the nail on the head

[Agnimitra]

Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller banned from entry to the UK.
No critique of Islam to be allowed in the UK?
If not their own seminars, the could have at least been allowed to organize a debate.

[Agnimitra]

Funnily enough it coincides with UK's backdown with China over the Tibet issue.

Bloomberg: U.K. Stresses ‘Strong’ Ties With China After Tibet Call

China Daily: UK is not for 'Tibetan independence'

Anyone who has the best interests of the core of Western or Indic civilizations at heart can never trust the UK - even as the UK is always keen to have a finger in every controversy and offer its mediation.

[devesh]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ju ... fghanistan

'We should have talked to Taliban' says top British officer in Afghanistan

The west should have tried talking to the Taliban a decade ago, after they had just been toppled from power, the top British commander in Afghanistan has told the Guardian, barely a week after the latest attempt to bring the insurgent group to the negotiating table stuttered to a halt.

General Nick Carter, deputy commander of the Nato-led coalition, said Afghan forces would need western military and financial support for several years after western combat troops head home in 2014. And he said the Kabul government may have to accept that for some years it would have only shaky control over some remoter parts of the country.

Speaking exclusively to the Guardian, he said: "Back in 2002, the Taliban were on the run. I think that at that stage, if we had been very prescient, we might have spotted that a final political solution to what started in 2001, from our perspective, would have involved getting all Afghans to sit at the table and talk about their future,"

Acknowledging that it was "easy to be wise with the benefit of hindsight", Carter added: "The problems that we have been encountering over the period since then are essentially political problems, and political problems are only ever solved by people talking to each other."

But he believed the police and army had been shaped into sustainable institutions that were strong enough to protect a critical presidential election next year, and guarantee stability for the majority of the country after the western withdrawal.

The US and Afghan governments are pushing hard for negotiations to end a conflict that has dragged on for more than 12 years. But critics have long argued that the west could have struck a deal with moderate Taliban leaders after ousting the group from power in 2001, perhaps saving thousands of lives and billions of dollars.

One academic who studies the Taliban said the group tried to reach out to their own and the US governments until 2004, and would have made major compromises. "There would not have been too much negotiating to be done, even, in 2001 or 2002, because the Taliban's senior leadership made their approaches in a conciliatory manner, acknowledging the new order in the country," said Alex Strick von Linschoten, author of An Enemy We Created.

Today the insurgent group dominates swaths of the country, and seems ambivalent at best about negotiating ahead of the departure of foreign troops. Underlining how challenging efforts to broker peace talks are, the latest efforts collapsed in diplomatic farce last week.

The Taliban opened an office in Qatar which was meant to be a formal base for meetings and was welcomed by Washington, but the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, shut down the process after Taliban spokesmen presented the villa as a de-facto embassy for a government-in-exile.

Carter said he was confident that Nato's handover of security to Afghan forces, finalised last week, would eventually bring the Taliban to the negotiating table.

"What the opponents of the Afghan government now realise is they are likely to be up against capable Afghan security forces who are going to be here in perpetuity and therefore that old adage that 'We have the clocks but the Taliban have the time', has now been reversed," he said.

"They are now up against security forces who have the time, and they are also Afghan forces … for those reasons I think that there is every chance people will realise that talking is the answer to this problem," added Carter, who previously served as the top Nato officer in southern Afghanistan, the Taliban's birthplace.

With a potential political solution far off, 2013 has been a year of heavy violence. Civilian casualties are rising and a string of high-profile attacks have hit Kabul including an assault on the airport and an audacious raid into the heart of the heavily fortified diplomatic and military zone.

These assaults were unlikely to let up before western troops left, as the Taliban tried to position for possible talks, and wage a campaign to claim credit for a the western exit, Carter said, although troops were actually leaving on a timetable set by the Afghan government and Nato in 2010.

"First of all, people like to negotiate from a position of strength, and secondly I think the opponents of Afghanistan would like to appear to compel the international community's withdrawal," Carter said. "I don't think it's surprising that we are seeing spectacular attacks in Kabul and a continuance of attacks elsewhere."

The strength of the insurgency meant Kabul would not control all of the country for some years to come, said Carter, who previously described Afghanistan's likely post-2014 situation as "stable instability".

"There will be parts of Afghanistan which will not necessarily be as closely linked to central government as others … there will therefore be some local political solutions which won't in any way threaten central government," Carter said. "That phenomenon may go on for a while."

Nato only began the buildup of Afghanistan's police and army in earnest in 2009, and the rapid pace of expansion towards a target of 350,000 meant the police and army would need help for years to come, particularly in highly skilled areas such as bomb disposal, medical evacuation and logistics.

"The security forces will need continuing development because they have been built very quickly," Carter said. One major roadblock for now was the lack of planes and helicopters, critical to dominating a large, mountainous country with poor and often deadly roads. "The plan to field the airforce … is designed to give them more capability every year, but probably not to be fully fielded until 2017-18."

But he said their institutions were now sustainable and overall he was optimistic about Afghanistan's future, as long as the US and its allies came through on promises of financial and military support.

"When you see how this country has developed in the last 10 to 12 years, it's a completely different place, and people have completely different expectations," he said. "We owe it to all of those who have invested a great deal of effort in what we have been doing here since 2001 to see it through."

The Brit General in charge of Afg theater doing his bit in promoting Islamic sadism.

this should be seen, I think, as the Brits doing their part to help the Jihadis up the ante further, extracting as much from the "West" as possible.

do the American authorities even try to take a deeper look at these British fulminations?

[Anindya]

National sermon on child grooming shunned as a stunt by many Muslims in Oxford

SEVERAL Oxford mosques did not take part in yesterday’s simultaneous anti-grooming sermons held across the country.

...
But Oxford Islamic leaders yesterday said it was wrong to link child sex grooming cases to their religion as the abusers were not practising Muslims.

Together Against Grooming (Tag) said 500 mosques across the country were taking part in sermons to address the issue at Friday prayers. But those who attended the Madina Mosque in Stanley Road, the Bath Street Mosque and Oxford Central Mosque in Manzil Way said they did not take part.

Imam Monawar Hussain, of the Oxford Foundation youth project, went to Friday prayers at the Central Oxford Mosque in Manzil Way and said the Imam of the mosque spoke about Ramadan and charity. He said the Tag sermons were a “publicity stunt” and fed into the far-right agenda that grooming gangs stemmed from the Islamic culture.

He said: “Most of the guys who did this in Oxford were not going to the mosque. I have always felt it is not a race or religious issue.

“They are talking to the converted. Every single Muslim knows it is abhorrent.”

Riaz Ahmed, chairman of the Madina Mosque, said it was unneccessary to address the problem in mosques.

He added: “It is not a specific subject that you need to talk about in the mosques.

“If you are a person that goes to mosques you would be a million miles away from this type of activity. Like oil and water they do not go together.”

And he said: “As far as grooming issue is concerned I think that is now history.

“This pattern of child abuse has finished. This sentencing I am sure has assured that.”
....
Abdul Rouf, chairman of the Bangladesh Welfare Association in Oxford, said the issue was not mentioned at the Bath Street mosque. He said it was not necessary to run a special sermon. He added: “Anybody who is a Muslim knows that any sort of crime is against Islam.”

[Prem]

National sermon on child grooming shunned as a stunt by many Muslims in Oxford
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Abdul Rouf, chairman of the Bangladesh Welfare Association in Oxford, said the issue was not mentioned at the Bath Street mosque. He said it was not necessary to run a special sermon. He added: “Anybody who is a Muslim knows that any sort of crime is against Islam.”

The girls were adult over 6 year old. Abdul Rouf is right, its not a religious concern for Muslims and Crime against islam if the victims were under 6.

[Shanmukh]

While the collapse of law and order in Britain is a welcome thing, if for no other reason than that most of us are sitting away from Britain and we can just enjoy the spectacles there, for free, what are our interests there, and how is the Islamisation of Britain going to affect us? What are our goals in the Britain-Muslim confrontation? And how should we go ahead pursuing them?

[Prem]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... rayer.html
Channel 4 defends decision to broadcast Islamic call to be on All Four

Channel 4 has defended plans to broadcast the Islamic call to prayer every morning during Ramadan by suggesting there are more Muslims in Britain than people who tuned in to watch the Queen's coronation anniversary service.Ralph Lee, the broadcaster's head of factual programming, said that 2.8million Britons will fast for the month of Ramadan starting next week.Channel 4 will broadcast the call to prayer, known as the adhan, at sunrise on television and over the internet as part of plans to appeal to young Muslims.
Mr Lee said he expected the channel to receive criticism for doing so, but added: "Nearly five per cent of the country will actively engage in Ramadan this month; can we say the same of other national events that have received blanket coverage on television, such as the Queen's coronation anniversary?".
Mr Lee said Ramadan was "carried out every year, by increasing numbers of committed Muslims, yet the vast majority of people in Britain won't even be aware of its existence. Not surprising when you consider its near invisibility on mainstream TVHe added: "Contrast this with the way most Muslims are represented on television: nearly always appearing in contexts related to extremism or terrorism."Even when moderate Muslims do appear, it's often only to provide a counterpoint to these issues. Following the horrific events in Woolwich and subsequent reprisals against British Muslims, there has surely never been a more pressing need to give a voice to the moderate mainstream majority."The call to prayer will be recorded by Hassen Rasool, a muezzin, and broadcast every morning at the same time as mosques around London make theirs.Writing in the Radio Times, Mr Lee said: "Observing the adhan on Channel 4 will act as a nationwide tannoy system, a deliberate 'provocation' to all our viewers in the very real sense of the word."No doubt Channel 4 will be criticised for focusing attention on a 'minority' religion but that's what we're here to do: provide space for the alternative and a voice to the under–represented. Let's not forget that Islam is one of the few religions that's flourishing in the UK."

[Lalmohan]

there are several muslim tv channels on cable and satellite that do nothing other than broadcast sermons, speeches, prayers and follow a highly religious agenda. they are arabic, pakistani and bangladeshi. i would say that the user base for these services is being extremely well served

no reason for a mainstream channel like C4 to try to break into this market under the guise of multi-culturalism. they should similarly broadcast prayers for other religions with equal enthusiasm. if this is just another cynical ploy to grab share of eyeball, then they are being very very stupid

[Gus]

definitely - hijab wearing all over the world is on the increase

its happening in even villages like mine, where nobody wore it before.

but they are still mostly going alone or with another woman...so i am guessing this is how they get permission from menfolk to get out of the home. many go to work place, take it off, work and put it back when going back to home.

[arun]

Leftist Dhimmism in the UK:

Siding with the Oppressor: The Pro-Islamist Left

[Agnimitra]

From this article: Is Moderate Islam Showing Cracks With Fall of Political Islam?

To understand Egypt, we must start from Qatar. Did the former emir of Qatar have a dream while he was in Britain and suddenly decide he was abdicating? Was this a gift from a generous heart? I don’t think so.

The former emir of Qatar took the throne by overthrowing his father. He is not the type to make a gift of it to his son. Those invisible powers must have told him, “Announce you are handing power over to your son and stay as our guest for some more time.” But with his money under watch. Why?

Is it because he was supporting former President Mohammed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and giving them money? It looks that way.

It was the former emir of Qatar who was also helping the Muslim Brotherhood fight President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, alongside Turkey.

After Qatar, it was the Muslim Brotherhood's turn, under Morsi. The "domino theory" … could be the harbinger of a change (of season) ... in the Middle East. The Arab Spring prevailed with the winds of the Muslim Brotherhood. Is the Arab Summer now aimed at wiping out the Muslim Brotherhood? If that is the case, which will be the third domino to fall?

Predictions focus on Tunisia. In the meantime, in Syria, we note that Assad is slowly recovering the ground he had lost to the Muslim Brotherhood-dominated opposition.

Winds are changing directions in the Middle East. Winds are now blowing against the Muslim Brotherhood. The question now is whether fault lines are emerging in moderate Islam.

To oppose coups, and the toppling of the democratically elected Morsi, is a principled and democratic attitude. But you have to think of what will ensue.

There is a thin line between opposing the coup in Egypt and standing by the Muslim Brotherhood.

Following this point, Turkey’s priority must be on ensuring that elections are held as soon as possible in Egypt. Of course, supporting democracy in every country, including Egypt, must be our permanent stance.

Don’t forget that Morsi was elected by a majority, among the 34% who voted. Nearly 66% of people did not vote. I am not arguing about legitimacy here, but reminding you to take note of the majority who did not vote.

I wish there was no coup. I wish Morsi could have been changed at the ballot box.

But the road to democracy — embracing all Egyptians instead of a segment of them — is open. Turkey must join this road trip with all Egyptians.

It could be that the West (US + UQ) are using the predictable economic cycle to attenuate Islamism as an ideology - by gathering them in hotspots by the lure of power, supporting their capture of power, and then forcing them to discredit themselves by the effects of economic and social adversity.

[kancha]

UK Taxi Rapes

Taxi rapes are rarely reported; apparently because the politically incorrect crimes are not deemed to be newsworthy. BBC radio host Sam Mason, a single mother, was fired after she called a taxi company and requested a "non-Asian" driver to take her 14-year-old daughter to her grandparents' home; preferably a female driver. The operator refused, and said, "We would class that as being racist." Mason responded, "It's not your 14-year-old girl." A BBC spokesman said, "Mason's comments were completely unacceptable…she will no longer be working for the BBC."

Great Britain is in the throes of a rape and pedophilia epidemic unlike anything the country has experienced in living memory. Many of the sex crimes are being perpetrated by Muslim child grooming gangs responsible for drugging, raping and torturing hundreds and possibly thousands of British girls.
But another wave of sex crimes involves predatory Muslim taxi drivers who are raping female passengers. The number of so-called taxi rapes is snowballing to such an extent that a British judge has issued a warning that no woman can expect to be safe while traveling in a cab.

[Agnimitra]

At this rate, Britain is becoming a no-go or unattractive zone for Indian students, professionals and entrepreneurs.

X-post

Its interesting that this love-jihad AND hate-jihad dynamic manifests at street-level...at your corner store in this case.

Hate crime in UK: Muslims beat 69-year old female Sikh pensioner to death in shop

edited and below added by Singha in error - I was just trying to reply and quote your post but somehow my new godlike powers have led to the emergence of several new green and red buttons. quote became a direct edit. I tried to shift forums and nearly ended up locking a topic as its just below that toolbar.

everything tends to have a plan behind it when one studies broad patterns. design emerges from the local level chaos. the trend is to create uncomfortable no-go areas where non-faithfuls feel a vague sense of unspoken threat , not in terms of direct violence but looks, harassment, denial of services or social interactions....soon people wont prefer to live in that area or country and will move elsewhere. this is supposed to cement the economic and jobs domination and create "space" for more faithful to seek shelter inside these liberated areas.

I will post more on this vague sense of hostility that emanates from these hamlets in another post on nukkad as part of a trip report.

[Agnimitra]

X-post from West Asia thread:

The Norwegian Aftenposten has published an interview with the kidnapped journalist who overheard the Skype conversation between rebels and their western masters where them rats admitted responsibility for the chemical weapons attack.

Frigitt gissel mener opprørere sto bak gassangrepet i Syria
Aftenposten, September 29, 2013

Now as per this entry on a wiki blog:

http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com ... d_Piccinin

A renowned Norwegian correspondent in Brussels interviews Piccinin. He gives more details about what they heard than he did in the sources we so far have. Key points:

We heard two men, a general from the FSA, and one officer from Al-Farouk in a room next door - talking to a third person via Skype. This man had an Oxford-accent, says Piccinin.
They first talked about the situation in Lebanon, Tunisia and Egypt. Then they started talking about Ghouta. Domenico and myself had no idea there had even been a gas attack.
The FSA-general was angry and said there were too many dead. Hundreds. The Skype-voice answered that gas had been involved, and the situation had spun out of control.
The Al-Farouk officer said: You said there would be only fifty dead. The Skype-man said: It was necessary. It will change a lot in this war.

So there you have it, the Oxford-accented British or MI6 spy directly carried out the chemical attack in ghouta. Western-Intelligence services have been at work instead of hardcore Islamists to carry out this mission critical task, on which would stand in balance the main excuse to launch attack on Syria. This could also be one reason why the Islamists are cutting ties with the SNC-types, they are accusing the west of murdering innocent Syrian civilians and also failing to deliver on air strikes.

These guys are even more diabolical than some bandar.

[panduranghari]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... chool.html


By News agencies3:13PM BST 09 Oct 2013
Both 14-year-olds had been placed in "isolation" from the start of the new term at Mount Carmel Roman Catholic High School in Accrington, Lancashire.
Talks were held with the families of the two boys to resolve the problem but neither side backed down and the school has now decided the pupils can only return to school when they are clean-shaven.
Headteacher Xavier Bowers has stressed that the matter is not one of religion but about dress code.
In a statement issued today, he said: "At Mount Carmel RC High School, we believe that it's important to be clear about what we expect from students in all aspects of school life, including appearance and uniform.
"When disputes arise we do our best to deal with them in a reasonable and understanding manner and to resolve them to everyone's satisfaction if at

"Pupils and parents are made aware of the rules on appearance and uniform before they start attending the school, know that they apply to everyone and are regularly reminded of this."
Last week, Mr Bowers told the Lancashire Telegraph that the decision to place the boys in isolation had not been taken lightly.
Speaking to the newspaper, he said: "I have spent quite a lot of time researching the issue and speaking to Muslim elders.
"There is nothing specifically written in the Koran about wearing a beard. It is a choice those boys are making.
"However inclusive we are, we have standards to maintain."
A relative of one of the youngsters labelled the decision as "pure discrimination".

[Lalmohan]

Men who trafficked Slovakian slave bride to Burnley jailed

A man who assaulted, raped and held a woman prisoner after she was snatched from Slovakia and trafficked to Lancashire has been jailed.

Azam Khan "bought" the woman and "married" her at a local mosque in a bid to halt his deportation from the UK to Pakistan.

Five other people helped in her trafficking after she was snatched in August 2012, Preston Crown Court heard.

Khan, 34, of Brougham Street, Burnley was jailed for 12 years.

The victim's story was described by prosecutor Joe Boyd as like "something from a 19th Century novel by Dickens".

[arun]

As the size of the Mohammadden prison population swells in the UK, Non-Mohamadden prison inmates are forced to convert and adhere to Mohammaddenism:

Britain’s jails facing ‘growing problem’ of forced conversion to Islam, officers warn

[Prem]

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/36 ... mark-steyn#!
Is Great Satan's Dollar Sharia Compliant

The British government announced today that it will be the first non-Muslim government to issue a sharia-compliant bond.On the other hand, how “non-Muslim” is Her Britannic Majesty’s Government anyway? David Cameron’s Arabic is coming along in leaps and bounds, as is the Downing Street webmaster’s.Say what you like about sharia finance, but, given Islamic strictures on debt, I’m not sure the Federal Reserve’s practice of hoovering up U.S. Treasury bonds would be compliant. So Uncle Sam’s sharia notes may be a ways off yet!

[Lalmohan]

i think its a cunning anglo-bania plot to encourage the believers to buy government bonds rather than donate to dodgy islamic charities that support 'the cause'
may as well keep the money in the family eh?

[Lilo]

LM ji,
Methinks its some thing far simpler.
Its an opportunity for open mutual j*rking off between Gelf sheikhs and the Briturd oldboys all under the cover of the new burkha called ijjlamic banking.

Imagine the relief both parties will have after all these decades of gufiya tiptoeing around dark alleys of financial space - just to avoid the local mullahs glare.

Opening of such direct avenues will make required transactions more efficient and cost effective for both parties - no longer any additional overheads charged to circumvent prevailing norms of transparency - as a new framework itself is now being erected.

[panduranghari]

Given the fact that the football hooligans will far outnumber the jihadis for the forseeable future it would be stupid to treat them as a markedly lesser threat to the social fabric. Especially when that sort of thing in the 1980s played no small role in strengthening Islamist recruiting in the 1990s.

Sure Johann, but football hooliganism does not constitute an ideology.

The government needs to focus its attention on all ideologies that express strong negative feelings towards any particular class or set of people. The EDL has a defined ideology. Islam has an ideology that strongly expresses itself about non-believers. At the end of the end of the day - the ONLY healthy society will be one that monitors followers of all such ideologies and ensures they don't get radicalized, with absolutely no quarter given for any ideology that passes itself off as a religion or otherwise.

I see some hope for British society in a recognition of this reality as expressed by David Cameron, Tony Blair and others. Yet, I don't think they go far enough.

I do not think Brits can control the unleashed monster of jihadism. they think they can and that will be the reason why they will fail. Or as some from UKIP say if you cannot defeat them, join them. I think UKIP leaders like Dean Perkins would only increase in number when UKIP wont gain much in the forthcoming elections. It will become the de facto party for muslims in Britain. Watch this space.

[Lilo]

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Hundreds of British muslims appear to be fighting in the Syrian civil war (on the side of the terrorists) and many will return "home" with their newly acquired skills!

Briton killed fighting in Syria civil war

A British Muslim has been killed fighting against Bashar al-Assad's forces in Syria, his family in London have said.

Mohammed el-Araj, who was in his early twenties, is only the second Briton to have been named and confirmed as dead while fighting in the civil war. Araj, who spent 18 months in prison for violently protesting outside the Israeli embassy in London in 2009, was killed in Syria in mid-August.

Commenting on general numbers, a government spokesperson said: "We are aware of 200 UK-linked individuals of concern who have travelled to Syria, but the true number is likely to be higher."

Four Britons 'killed fighting in Syrian civil war with Al Qaeda rebels'

It is estimated there are between 200 and 350 Britons who have travelled to Syria to fight.
British spies have also warned about ‘jihadi tourism’ in Syria and the threat young extremists pose when they return home.

It is feared they could radicalise others on their return and train them in how to use weapons.

50 Syria Militants Could Return to Wage Jihad in UK, Claims Intelligence Source

Up to 50 British jihadists may have returned to the UK to plan terrorist attacks, after receiving weapons training and combat experience in the Syrian civil war.

A security source told the Sunday Times that MI5 was tracking a number of individuals who are believed to have fought for al-Qaida-linked jihadist groups against the forces of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad.

[Agnimitra]

X-post from STFU-Pak thread:

David Cameron says Pakistan’s enemy is his foe

Link

India has just become Britain's enemy!

Its on Youtube. Your enemy is my enemy

Cameron had also emotionally referred to UQ as Pakrats' "mother country".

[sanjaykumar]

India is Britain's enemy?