Bharat Rakshak

The chutiyapana side of a crisis

A police officer has been charged with having goods suspected to have been stolen from victims of the Westgate terror attack.

Constable Benson Gachuhi Kihenjo of Spring Valley Police Station was allegedly caught with a blood-stained wallet, credit cards, cheque books and identifications documents belonging to a victim of the Saturday attack.

Stolen ID and photos

He allegedly committed the offence on Monday.

Kibera principal magistrate, Bernard Ochoi heard that the policeman was also found with an identity card, three passport size photographs, belonging to the victim and his two children and an iPhone.

He was also charged with having 115 fake American dollars in his house.

He denied the charges and was remanded in custody until September 30 when his bail application will be determined.

This report is too good to be true. According to this the intelligence report not only pin pointed the date but also the place.

Four Cabinet Secretaries and the Kenya Defence Force boss were warned that al-Shabaab terrorists were planning a Mumbai-style attack in Nairobi, where they would storm a building and hold hostages.

“Briefs were made to them informing them of increasing threat of terrorism and of plans to launch simultaneous attacks in Nairobi and Mombasa around September 13 and 20, 2013,” the report says.

According to the intelligence situation report, Westgate and Holy Family Basilica in Nairobi had been flagged for attack early this year. The report names Sheikh Abdiwelli Mohammed and Sheikh Hussein Hassan as the masterminds.

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Remember the wounded guy they arrested when they 'found' an AK-47 magazine on him? What is curious is, the comments below the story are against the police.

Police say suspect had AK-47 magazine

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saip, Even in Mumbai the two hotels, Taj and Oberoi asked for the security to be withdrawn.

Which forces took part in the kenyan assault? Do they have elite antiterror units?

a number of units have been mentioned in various articles, including one that appears to have received anti-terror training, supposedly from the US and is considered elite. am wary of gora patronising in such articles, so waiting to hear something more official

Karan M wrote:Which forces took part in the kenyan assault? Do they have elite antiterror units?

They are called the GSU. they have a base in Nairobi, conveniently close to State House, Presidents residence. They normally wear red berets but are distinctive in that their emblem is normally the one used by the police rather than the army.

Although considerably smaller than the army in numbers they more than make up for this in training and equipment. They are first call for any presidential directive whether for personal or national events.

Terrorists in Kenya mall used new tactic to spare some Muslims Associated Press | Updated Sep 29, 2013 at 11:25pm IST S

turbaned gunmen who infiltrated Nairobi's Westgate mall arrived with a set of religious trivia questions. As terrified civilians hid in toilet stalls, behind mannequins, in ventilation shafts and underneath food court tables, the assailants began a high-stakes game of 20 Questions to separate Muslims from those they consider infidels. A 14-year-old boy saved himself by jumping off the mall's roof, after learning from friends inside that they were quizzed on names of the Prophet Muhammad's relatives. A Jewish man scribbled a Quranic scripture on his hand to memorize, after hearing the terrorists were asking captives to recite specific verses. Numerous survivors described how the attackers from al-Shabab, a Somali cell which recently joined al-Qaeda, shot people who failed to provide the correct answers. Their chilling accounts, combined with internal al-Shabab documents discovered earlier this year by The Associated Press, mark the final notch in a transformation within the global terror network, which began to rethink its approach after its setbacks in Iraq. Al-Qaeda has since realised that the indiscriminate killing of Muslims is a strategic liability, and hopes instead to create a schism between Muslims and everyone else, whom they consider "kuffar," or apostates. Terrorists in Kenya mall used new tactic to spare some Muslims "What this shows is al-Qaeda's acknowledgment that the huge masses of Muslims they have killed is an enormous PR problem within the audience they are trying to reach," said Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, director of the Center for the Study of Terrorist Radicalization. "This is a problem they had documented and noticed going back to at least Iraq. And now we see al-Qaeda groups are really taking efforts to address it." The evolution of al-Shabab is reflected in a set of three documents believed to be written by the terrorist group, and found by the AP in northern Mali earlier this year. They include the minutes of a conference of 85 Islamic scholars, held in December 2011 in Somalia, as well as a summary of fatwas they issued last year after acceptance into the al-Qaeda fold. Baptised with the name al-Shabab, meaning The Youth, in 2006, the group began as an extremist militia, fighting the government of Somalia. As early as 2009, it began courting al-Qaeda, issuing recordings with titles like, "At Your Service Osama." Until the Westgate attack, the group made no effort to spare Muslim civilians, hitting packed restaurants, bus stations and a government building where hundreds of students were awaiting test results. And until his death in 2011, Osama bin Laden refused to allow Shabab into the al-Qaeda network, according to letters retrieved from his safehouse in Pakistan. The letters show that the terror leader was increasingly troubled by regional jihadi operations killing Muslim civilians. In a letter to Shabab in 2010, bin Laden politely advised the Somali-based fighters to review their operations "in order to minimize the toll to Muslims." Shabab did not get the green light to join al-Qaeda until February 2012, almost a year after bin Laden's death. In an email exchange this week with The Associated Press, it made its intentions clear: "The Mujahideen carried out a meticulous vetting process at the mall and have taken every possible precaution to separate the Muslims from the Kuffar before carrying out their attack." However, even at Westgate, al-Shabab still killed Muslims, who were among the more than 60 civilians gunned down inside. Their attack was timed to coincide with the highest traffic at the upscale mall after 12:30 p.m. on September 21, a Saturday. More than 1,000 people, including diplomats, pregnant women with strollers and foreign couples, were inside when the fighters armed with grenades and AK-47s burst in and opened fire. At first the attack had the indiscriminate character of all of Shabab's previous assaults. Rutvik Patel, 14, was in the aisles at Nakumatt, the mall's supermarket which sells everything from plasma TVs to imported kiwis, when he heard the first explosion. "They started shooting continuously, and whoever died, died," he said. "Then it became calm and they came up to people and began asking them some questions. If you knew the answer, they let you go," he said. "They asked the name of the Prophet's mom. They asked them to sing a religious verse." Just across from the Nakumatt supermarket, a 31-year-old Jewish businessman was cashing a check inside the local Barclays branch when he, too, heard the shooting. The people there ran to the back and shut themselves in the room with the safe, switching off the lights. They learned, via text messages, that the extremists were asking people to recite an Arabic prayer called the Shahada. "One of the women who was with us got a text from her husband saying, they're asking people to say the Islamic oath, and if you don't know it, they kill you," said the businessman, who insisted on anonymity out of fear for his safety. He threw away his passport. Then he downloaded the Arabic prayer and wrote it on his palm. Al-Shabab's attempts to identify Muslims are clear in the 16-page transcript from the conference of Islamic scholars held in the Somali town of Baidoa, an area known to be under Shabab control in 2011, according to Somalia specialist Kenneth Menkhaus, a political science professor at Davidson College in North Carolina. The scholars issued several fatwas defining exactly who was a Muslim and who was an apostate. The document states it is halal, or lawful, to kill and rob those who commit crimes against Islam: "The French and the English are to be treated equally: Their blood and their money are halal wherever they may be. No Muslim in any part of the world may cooperate with them in any way. ... It leads to apostasy and expulsion from Islam," it says. Further on it adds: "Accordingly, Ethiopians, Kenyans, Ugandans and Burundians are just like the English and the French because they have invaded the Islamic country of Somalia." Former FBI supervisory special agent Ali Soufan, who investigated the bombing of the United States embassies in East Africa as well as the attack on the USS Cole, said that the gathering of dozens of religious scholars in an area under Shabab control harkens back to an al-Qaeda conference in Afghanistan around 1997. That conference defined America as a target, Soufan said, leading to the bombing of American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998. "You see something very similar here," said Soufan. "It's the same playbook." In a second document dated Feb. 29, 2012 - just two weeks after al-Shabab joins al-Qaeda - the organization warns Muslims to stay away from buildings occupied by non-Muslims, chillingly predicting and justifying the death of Muslims at Westgate. "And so all Muslims must stay far away from the enemy and their installations so as not to become human shields for them, and so as not to be hurt by the blows of the mujahedeen directed at the Crusader enemies," it says. "There is no excuse for those who live or mingle with the enemies in their locations." Yet at the same time it says: "The mujahideen are sincere in wanting to spare the blood of their brother Muslims, and they don't want a Muslim to die from the bullets directed at the enemies of God." This is a concession for an organization that since its inception had killed people constantly, said Rudolph Atallah, who tracked Shabab as Africa counterterrorism director in the Office of the Secretary of Defense from 2003 to 2007. "They would just go and mow people down," Atallah said. "They are now sending a clear message that, `Look, we're different ... We're no longer indiscriminately killing. We're protecting innocent Muslims and we are trying to kill quote-unquote `infidels,' nonbelievers." A similar tactic paid off in January after al-Qaeda-linked terrorist Moktar Belmoktar attacked a gas installation in Algeria, Atallah said. When his fighters freed hundreds of Muslim employees, a Facebook page dedicated to him exploded with "Likes." Several hours after the gunshots at Westgate Mall, the people cowering inside the Barclays bank heard a commotion. As the attackers approached, the Jewish businessman spit on his hand to erase the words he had by then committed to memory. The door opened. He exhaled. It was the police. Several floors above, 14-year-old Patel looked for a place to hide on the roof. When the jihadists came up the stairs and threw a grenade, he didn't hesitate. He jumped, crushing his ankle on the pavement below. He said he would not have known how to answer their questions.

Read more at: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/terrorists-i ... ef_article

"Islam vs the Rest".That is the clear message that is now being sent out by the AlQ style loose confederation of global Islamist terror groups.The massacre of dozens of Nigerian students by Boko Haram just after the Kenyan outrage,shows that to fundamentalist jihadi Muslims,there is NO compromise with any non-Muslim.Schools are western in origin they stupidly say,and must be destroyed.In the Nigerian massacre,the women's hostel was spared.This is a similar attitude and tactic used in the mall attack where Musilms were spared.

To the global confederation of jihadi movements,the only place to study is a madrasa,women must remain at home and are an inferior species than a man,and there is only one book that should be read ,the Koran,where the prophet apart from teaching of the beneficial and merciful aspects of the supreme deity,also glorified violence and war as a means to an end,that of conquest.His followers are religiously following his teachings today.Those Muslim nations which are more tolerant of non Muslims and secular in style are being undermined by the fanaticism of the jihadis.I posted recently a piece about the Ottoman Empire (a BBC series in to be shortly telecast),where its head was the caliph-the acknowledged leader and chief of the faithful ,where during its era,non-Muslims were tolerated and even prospered. Christians have their Pope and the head of the Anglican church to guide and rule on religious matters,similarly Buddhists and other religions have their heads like the Dalai Lama,we have our Shankaracharyas too.In the aftermath of its fall,and the absence of any "caliphate",the Islamic leadership role is being usurped by AlQ and the Talibs. Just as the Jews and Christians wait for their messiah to usher in an era of peace,so too do Muslims wait for their Mahdi,who according to many Islamisc interpreters will be aconquering hero,who will conquer Jerusalem and crush its current rulers and establish the HQ of a global Islamic state.

It is very strange, that a full week after the attack, we still don't have a full list of victims. Even by official figures, 70 or so people died. But lists of victims are very, very limited. Not more than 15-20 people are named. What happened to the rest? And what about the belief that there are still 50-60 people still unaccounted for, after the first 70 are included.

al-beeb gets heat for saying "militant" and not "terrorists"

this is what happens when lawyers and health and safety officials start running the world...

We know 67 people were killed.
We do not know how many terrorists were there at the beginning, we do not know how many of them were killed and how many escaped.
We do not know what happened to hostages and how many were there. Now Red Cross says 'only 39 are missing'
We do not know why the mall collapsed. Is it because the terrorists blew it up or because of the military using heavy weapons like anti-tank shells.

The mall collapsed after the soldiers used RPGs against the terrorists, which either by accident or intention, took out the supporting pillars. This was mentioned in one of the news releases about the fighting.

Lalmohan wrote:a number of units have been mentioned in various articles, including one that appears to have received anti-terror training, supposedly from the US and is considered elite. am wary of gora patronising in such articles, so waiting to hear something more official

Lisa wrote:They are called the GSU. they have a base in Nairobi, conveniently close to State House, Presidents residence. They normally wear red berets but are distinctive in that their emblem is normally the one used by the police rather than the army.

Although considerably smaller than the army in numbers they more than make up for this in training and equipment. They are first call for any presidential directive whether for personal or national events.

Interesting info, thanks. Googling showed the Kenya Rifles (?) have a para unit and rangers units. Was not clear about whether these are elite units or generally trained a tad higher than regular. Apparently KR has taken casualties vs Al Shabab in the past but landed a few hard knocks as well. But the article below and a superb follow up post explains things clearly.

Did not know about the GSU. Looks like a snafu allowed the terrorists to get more leeway.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3071918/posts

Good pictures of how the operation unfolded.

Looks like Kenya does have a decently trained and equipped military but it took something like this horrific incident to wake up the administration to streamline things. Same way India suffered during 26/11. My condolences to all those who lost their loved ones and those hurt during this brutal cowardly attack.

those first group of police men and armed civilians who went in with their handguns probably saved hundreds of lives
they are real heroes

it remains vital to pin down and isolate the terrorists in these incidents as quickly as possible as the only means of avoiding massive casualties

In my understanding the death toll is far from final. Over the weekend, I had lunch with a husband and wife (they were not the hosts) of Indian origin, who lost between them 11 friends and family members; 7 on her side, 4 on his. A significant chunk of the community is shell-shocked and dazed. But, among those I've met and discussed the attack with (a goodly number), not one is thinking of upping and leaving the country or anything like that...

Meanwhile, rumours and innuendo of all kinds are flying thick and fast...as is to be expected I suppose.

the soldier carrying M4 doesn't even have his rear sights up. Poor training.

habal wrote:the soldier carrying M4 doesn't even have his rear sights up. Poor training.

The same for the other guy with the SLR.

Also look at the guy with the M4, look at his beret.
His finger is within the trigger guard, on the trigger, the weapon is charged (the ejection port cover is open) and his eyes are not level with the sights!!

A generally sloppy demeanor reflects their attitude and training (or lack of)

Sorry to say it but african troops are not sell trained, it is not a stereotype, just reality. Their main purpose is to oppress the public.
I think the best trained ones would be South African.

A shame, but it is the truth.

Probably, Kenyan Parks and Wildlife Rangers are the most experienced troops Kenya has. They have to go up against Somali raiders and poachers constantly. The problem is getting them to Nairobi and to the terrorist site. They know how to shoot and fight. They do it all the time.

the park ranger are a tough bunch - for sure

meanwhile, i think we should focus on the bad guys here, rather than disect shortcomings and stereotyping

this kind of C3I issues will happen anywhere in a major crisis for which a country is not really prepared.
its unclear to me just who was incharge in 26/11 and when the miltary took over and when the marcos unit was sent in, with how much info and then withdrawn.
why was the media permitted to crawl in close and show things live, when it NTRO was in parallel tracking their blackberry and phones calls and knew they had TVs to watch inside.

they all did the best they could to help and thats what matters.

Guys they are not in a sniper or sharpshooter role. Its pray and spray mode when they see a terrorist.

Dont forget they got 11 terrorists alive after all it was over.


So they are fine. No need to be prejudiced.
Its their lives that were at stake.

TSJones wrote:Probably, Kenyan Parks and Wildlife Rangers are the most experienced troops Kenya has. They have to go up against Somali raiders and poachers constantly. The problem is getting them to Nairobi and to the terrorist site. They know how to shoot and fight. They do it all the time.

The problems Kenya is currently having with Somalis is not really something new. It is Al Shabab which is the new element. Low intensity conflict with Shiftas has been ongoing for some 50 or so years and surprisingly most of the fighting is done by the Police and STU. With regards to training, British Army staff have been in Kenya since independence, American advisers in some form or another since roughly the mid 70's and the Israelis from about the same time.

The brunt of this fighting has almost exclusively been a police matter, not Army. Much as one would like to think of game rangers as capable, they simply have never really had the training or experience with fighting basic insurgency involving mines IED's etc. that the police have dealt with for some 50 years. If you geographically map most of the recent attacks in NFD you will see that all the facilities attacked in Garissa, Mandera, Wajir etc. are virtually all Police establishments, not Army camps.

Al Shabab are not really fussed with the Kenyans per say. If Occupation was really their gripe then the shooting would have been going on in Addis Ababa. It is the Ethiopians who carried out the regime change that removed Al Shabab from national control and still occupy large parts of Somalia. There gripe is over the seizure of Kismayu, Al Shababs principle source of income. They are running out of money and NATO's strangle hold of the Somali coastline is now virtually absolute so no more money via piracy.

For the post that says

"Sorry to say it but african troops are not sell trained, it is not a stereotype, just reality. Their main purpose is to oppress the public"

an unfortunate remark made in the absence of a complete knowledge of African affairs and stereotyping without disguise. With regard to South Africans being well trained, does not quite explain them being hammered in Cuito to such a degree that it caused not just a local defeat but a total loss of control of Namibia and the American Chester Crocker's 'Constructive Engagement' being converted into a face saving exercise to help the South Africans organise an orderly withdrawal before they were bodily thrown out of Namibia.

P.S. the individual with the M4 is a policeman, not a member of the army. Blue berets are worn by policemen.

Singha wrote:this kind of C3I issues will happen anywhere in a major crisis for which a country is not really prepared.
its unclear to me just who was incharge in 26/11 and when the miltary took over and when the marcos unit was sent in, with how much info and then withdrawn.
why was the media permitted to crawl in close and show things live, when it NTRO was in parallel tracking their blackberry and phones calls and knew they had TVs to watch inside.

they all did the best they could to help and thats what matters.

Yeah the basic thing was that GOI was completely unprepared for anything like this, the state govt also slacked on the job and the NSG itself was led by an IPS gent who per IA folks was not aggressive enough, in terms of utilizing his mandate to get his people to Mumbai quickly. About MARCOS vs NSG, it seems the former were simply too few - a blogger writes (can google it up) on an article by Shishir Gupta which criticized them.

How many ppl over here were actually present on the scene to conclusively say something???
How many ppl over here have an experience in Hostage situations??
I was present in trident on that fateful night... i am not an army officer nor m i a marine commando.
but, i was quite involved in the scene of managing the injured, lining up the ambulances, etc. was part of the relief ops.
Anyways as far as i saw and i heard from the police, govt officers....
official request to marcos was made between 11:00 - 11:20.
Police started the usual cordon off and sealing ops by 11:15 or so.
MARCOS arrived at midnight i guess.
anyways there were only 25 commandos.
they were ordered to contain the terrorists and rescue as many hostages they can in one night till NSG arrives.
Now 25 commandos in two separate gps enter taj and trident.
Next morning official report said:
"273 live hostages rescued"
done only by 25 commandos!
Also :
they had no communication sets to carry with them during operation.
the entire op was based on communication with sign language.
consider checking out more than 600 rooms in one night ... not knowing what lays inside!!!
i guess they did quite a good job!!!!
lot of other HRT around the world commended them!!!
also the reasons why NSG and marcos did not operate together are not because the MARCOS did not want to be under some brigadier's command .... it was because the NSg operates in buddy pairs(2) where as Marcos operate in a gp of 3.
Nsg follow a very different method of engaging enemy in close urban warfare scenario... whereas marcos use a very different strategy .... so instead of going for a complete chaos... it was the commisioner and the army commander(GOC southern command ) who took the decision of using only the NSG.
Ok now for ppl who think that the tv interview MARCOS gave was a publicity stunt... U R WRONG!!!!
they never wanted to make a tv interview.... they were forced to do so by the govt officials because media ppl wanted 'masala'....!!!!
stop blaming them ... they were truly heroes.... look at the official figures and u'll come to know.
Mr Shishir Gupta pls dont publish wrong information

hopefully the regional NSG hubs now operational can cut the response time in metros . but there are always fat and prosperous tier2 cities like kochi, vizag, indore, bhopal, pune , chandigarh, ranchi for the ghazi teams to ravage.

ultimately the source of the problem (mordor) ie TSP has to be cornered and destroyed for this virus to end.

kochi I think has marcos base though and so might vizag with the new strategic bases coming up.

Don't know oif posted earlier.

The Lion of Nairobi - proud to be a Sikh Person with folded hands

The man who saved 40 lives talks to Zee Media in Nairobi He saved 40 lives in the Nairobi mall. When you give him the credit he cutely smiles and points his finger upwards saying it is Him who did it, not him. He tries to give credit to others but the survivors, 40 of them, say – if he had not been there, perhaps Al Shabaab militants would have butchered them as well. 37 year old Satpal Singh is a Sikh - a Kenyan of Indian origin.

He shared his experience with Zee Media. No amount of words can describe his humility, bravery beyond ordinary, a shining example of unflinching faith in the face of cowardly butchery by the terrorists As booby traps, bombs and blood are cleaned from the Westgate Mall here in Nairobi, Satpal Singh narrates to Zee Media the ordeal of more than 1000 people who were trapped inside the mall on the fateful four days.

Normal human reaction would have been to escape as grenades exploded and men, women and children fell to sprays of bullets. But Satpal tells Zee Media he never thought about running because Sikh religion does not teach you to run. I hold an incredulous expression; I cannot believe my ears as he says even his first reaction was not to run. So, Sikh teachings overcame the primeval survivor instinct to flee even in the face of danger? Intellectualise if you will, is his reply in a few words, but for him it is like this. “He will take care of me. He does his work, I do mine. It is His job to save me, then why should I be worried.”He was face to face with a terrorist who shot twice at him but Satpal cheated death, the bullets barely missed himI met many survivors - many refused to talk on camera; we understood it was a trauma they would rather avoid. What does Satpal feel when he looks back at the terrorist attack that claimed 67 lives? "I feel I could have done more," he says. So, is there no feeling of accomplishment? "No, we could have saved so many more lives and anyways there was an ex-British officer who was there. He said - you are a Sikh, a warrior, let`s join forces and get people out. We did what we could but still many lives were lost!" No hatred for terrorists. No big words. No ego. There is so much to learn from Satpal Singh. I have interviewed many people as we journalists do, but I have never felt so small, so inferior as a man as I did standing and clicking a photo with Satpal. And Satpal thanks - you have given many of us journalists and Indians and Kenyans a reason to believe that faith can indeed move mountains.

A man who lives the teachings of his Guru "Chidiyon se mein Baaz Ladaoon, Gidran to mein Sher Banoon, Sava Lakh se ek Ladaun, Tabhi Gobind Singh Naam Kahaloon"

Kenya shopping mall attack: Nairobi hostages were tortured before they were killed, says police doctor -http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 42509.html

A police doctor scouring Nairobi’s Westgate mall for bodies after a four-day siege by Islamist gunmen that claimed dozens of lives has said victims were tortured before they died, according to a Kenyan newspaper.

“Those are not allegations. Those are f****** truths,” the doctor, a forensics expert, told The Star newspaper. “They removed balls, eyes, ears, nose. They get your hand and sharpen it like a pencil then they tell you to write your name with the blood. They drive knives inside a child’s body. Actually, if you look at all the bodies, unless those ones that were escaping, fingers are cut by pliers, the noses are ripped by pliers.”

Also, some Kenyan authorities were aware of the attack in advance. From the same report -

Kenya’s National Intelligence Agency (NIS), widely accused by politicians of failing to pick up chatter about the attack, has insisted it did warn the police and officials inside the President’s office before the Westgate siege, but its warnings went unheeded, The Star reported.

According to the same report, a pregnant policewoman avoided Westgate after her brother, who works for Kenyan intelligence, warned her of a terror attack. “She has told police that her brother who is a NIS officer warned her not to visit Westgate that Saturday because she would not be able to run,” a senior officer was quoted as saying.

There are reports that one of the organizers of the Nairobi attack was a UK woman called Samantha Lewthwaite, a Muslim convert who had been married to one of the patsies who allegedly bombed London on 7/7/2005. Reportedly a number of US citizens are also involved - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/world ... wanted=all .

There is strong evidence showing that London 7/7 was a false-flag attack executed by patsies - http://www.globalresearch.ca/7-7-mock-t ... ttacks/821

See also the film 7/7 Ripple Effect (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6453&hl=en). Relevant interview of a security professional Peter Power (given to the BBC), who was involved in the attack is from 6:15 - 8:45.

It would also be good to find out more about the owners of the Westgate Mall. So far nothing concrete has emerged.

Westgate Insurer Handed a Sh 6.6 Billion Bill - http://www.nairobiwire.com/2013/09/west ... llion.html

Pranav,
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There is strong evidence showing that London 7/7 was a false-flag attack executed by patsies - http://www.globalresearch.ca/7-7-mock-t ... ttacks/821

See also the film 7/7 Ripple Effect (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6453&hl=en). Relevant interview of a security professional Peter Power (given to the BBC), who was involved in the attack is from 6:15 - 8:45.

It would also be good to find out more about the owners of the Westgate Mall. So far nothing concrete has emerged.

Westgate Insurer Handed a Sh 6.6 Billion Bill - http://www.nairobiwire.com/2013/09/west ... llion.html
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"Evidence" is certainly a strong word. And, why believe Peter Power - unless we have the same certainty that he wasn't a performer too? I'd like to see the evidence for that.

The owners are mainly Jewish, and that is widely known and posted repeatedly in many posts above. Most of the shops were rented/owned/run by Indians. But yes nothing "concrete" has emerged, other than the bodies of quite a few Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Ismaili Muslims and some other Muslims were killed or injured.

Of course, it's just putting all perspectives in. I personally have a feeling that it was the Martians who did this to put the blame on the Jews, using the Al Shabab as patsies... According to "some astrologers" Mars was pointing its ass towards Jupiter, which made the time auspicious for the moon to excite the water in the heads of the Al Shababs in precisely this manner.

Kindly show a little respect to the dead, who are still being pulled out in pieces, before hinting at the stale "the Jews did it" theme.

Meanwhile, this is excellent reading material for all:

http://www.frontiersin.org/Personality_ ... racy_T/863

It's edited by Viren Swami. I think he is not Jewish. But I'll be damned if I can't find a link between him and the Rothschilds, it's only six degrees of separation after all.

This one is more pop, but nice reading all the same. It was written by Jonah Lehrer. I think we need to investigate his background more.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/ ... -theories/

Counting the dead

page on daily telegraph site which is keeping a running record of identities of the dead

JE Menon wrote:Pranav,
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There is strong evidence showing that London 7/7 was a false-flag attack executed by patsies - http://www.globalresearch.ca/7-7-mock-t ... ttacks/821

See also the film 7/7 Ripple Effect (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6453&hl=en). Relevant interview of a security professional Peter Power (given to the BBC), who was involved in the attack is from 6:15 - 8:45.

It would also be good to find out more about the owners of the Westgate Mall. So far nothing concrete has emerged.

Westgate Insurer Handed a Sh 6.6 Billion Bill - http://www.nairobiwire.com/2013/09/west ... llion.html
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"Evidence" is certainly a strong word. And, why believe Peter Power - unless we have the same certainty that he wasn't a performer too? I'd like to see the evidence for that.

The owners are mainly Jewish, and that is widely known and posted repeatedly in many posts above. Most of the shops were rented/owned/run by Indians. But yes nothing "concrete" has emerged, other than the bodies of quite a few Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Ismaili Muslims and some other Muslims were killed or injured.

Of course, it's just putting all perspectives in. I personally have a feeling that it was the Martians who did this to put the blame on the Jews, using the Al Shabab as patsies... According to "some astrologers" Mars was pointing its ass towards Jupiter, which made the time auspicious for the moon to excite the water in the heads of the Al Shababs in precisely this manner.

Kindly show a little respect to the dead, who are still being pulled out in pieces, before hinting at the stale "the Jews did it" theme.

Meanwhile, this is excellent reading material for all:

http://www.frontiersin.org/Personality_ ... racy_T/863

It's edited by Viren Swami. I think he is not Jewish. But I'll be damned if I can't find a link between him and the Rothschilds, it's only six degrees of separation after all.

This one is more pop, but nice reading all the same. It was written by Jonah Lehrer. I think we need to investigate his background more.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/ ... -theories/

Peter Power is the owner of a Security Consultancy firm which was hired for the "exercises" being conducted on 7/7 in London.

As he says in his BBC interview, the exercises turned into the real thing. Neither the BBC nor, AFAIK, anybody else, has disputed his statements in all these years.

As regards owners of the mall, I am very much aware that they are Israeli. I said nothing concrete had emerged about the owners, since I do not regard their national origin to be of any particular relevance in the absence of additional information.

IMO the reported links of the perps of Nairobi to those of 7/7, as well as reports of foreknowledge on the part of Kenyan intelligence, are of interest.

Rest of your post has nothing that needs any reply.

The national origin is very relevant, so is the religious origin. That is why non-Muslims were hunted and killed, allegedly after torture.

That is why the implications are also clear.

Pranav wrote:There is strong evidence showing that London 7/7 was a false-flag attack executed by patsies - http://www.globalresearch.ca/7-7-mock-t ... ttacks/821

A bit OT. You appear to have misread the article. Just for your information, the exercise that day involved 4-5 people sitting in an office simulating an event on PAPER. There is nothing unusual in that. I have a friend whose job is exactly that. How does that become a false flag event?

This is the BBC a year before the event,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7uIjg9dtoI

Singha wrote:hopefully the regional NSG hubs now operational can cut the response time in metros . but there are always fat and prosperous tier2 cities like kochi, vizag, indore, bhopal, pune , chandigarh, ranchi for the ghazi teams to ravage.

ultimately the source of the problem (mordor) ie TSP has to be cornered and destroyed for this virus to end.

kochi I think has marcos base though and so might vizag with the new strategic bases coming up.

+1

INC as usual played favorites and politics even after 26/11. The hubs went to ally politico states. But luckily, the good thing done is that IA/IN SF formations located in/near other states will also handle similar functions. So IA SF/IN MARCOS now will hopefully, be tasked from the word go, for these kind of situations. And in cities with large IA presence, there will be ample number of operators present to handle the situation. Waiting for the NSG alone is a disaster... with road conditions as they are, limited infra, all sorts of chaos in local state/bureacracy, delays are a given...

In the Nairobi incident, would we have responded with a C-17 full of commandos within hours of such attack seeing that these attacks have dragged on for days using hostages as shields. Another line of thinking, not palatable, but yes if Modi would have taken such a step with Kenya resident Gujarati community facing the burnt of the attack. The Israelis were ready on 26/11 since Jews were targeted.

With Kenya's request or without it? If the Kenyan government had requested it, government would have sent whatever help was requested, up to a point - whether MMS or Modi. But they didn't. And the Indian community here, i.e. the PIO, don't even refer to India when addressing the issue of the terrorist attack - except to make a parallel with 26/11 - or when specifically prompted.

It appears there is a fair degree of misperception about the PIO Indian community in East Africa. In general, they do not "look up to India" with longing or special admiration, nor "look back on India" with rose-tinged nostalgia. They engage with India frequently, have relatives whom they visit, etc... but they feel quite Kenyan. Many, if not most, speak Swahili and/or other tribal languages.

It's not just Gujaratis here, there are lots of Punjabis as well, and a smattering of people from other states. Now there are a number of Indians from India (i.e. born and bred), and they do not necessarily engage mutually in an extensive manner. Airtel brings in a lot of chaps here. It's a very very interesting social mix in Kenya of all colours, highly cosmopolitan situation with a large number of nationalities, etc.

to some extent same in uganda and ghana as well. telecom & banking has opened a lot of jobs for FOB indians there.
some of the older NFOBs have spent 150 yrs there , just as in guyana or jamaica. just as we dont demand sunil narine or dinesh ramadhin to remember anything of their ancestors 6 levels up, so we should not here.
let them be loyal and valuable citizens of their new homelands.
we should not demand 5 times a day prayer to lal quilla in makkah style from all 'believers'

Yes very much so... Same situation in Uganda, Tanzania, there are a lot of Indians even in Burundi!

Lisa wrote:

Pranav wrote:There is strong evidence showing that London 7/7 was a false-flag attack executed by patsies - http://www.globalresearch.ca/7-7-mock-t ... ttacks/821

A bit OT. You appear to have misread the article. Just for your information, the exercise that day involved 4-5 people sitting in an office simulating an event on PAPER. There is nothing unusual in that. I have a friend whose job is exactly that. How does that become a false flag event?

This is the BBC a year before the event,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7uIjg9dtoI

Quoting the words of Peter Power from the BBC interview: " ... running an exercise ... based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning ..."

Same locations, same time. Odds of it being a coincidence are infinitesimal.

Besides, there are a number of other observations regarding the event which point in the same direction. The video I linked to has more detailed info.

london has been subject to terrorist bombing for several decades now and the police plug gaps as they figure out what they are. the threats had gone from single bombs with warning that the IRA used to do, to multiple bombs from jehadis. their simultaneity is not surprising given that experience from iraq and af-pak had shown that bombers were getting more sophisticated and more diversified.

london fire brigade has for years trained on a scenario of a 747 coming down in the centre of london... i am sure that new york fire department had done the same

these are all plausible threat scenarios that need to be thought through and rehearsed. they are not too difficult to imagine and scope out and all law enforcement and security management agencies do this sort of scenario planning as routine

This thread is about the Nairobi terror attack