Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 23 Jun 2011 09:22

I see the possibility of some interesting piskology here but I will never be able to prove it. Pakistanis successfully ingratiated themselves to a series of white US presidents because Pakistanis have no hesitation in behaving servile to a rich white man. I am certain they didn't behave right with Obama and it is likely that their attitude to Obama may have been like that of racist Americans.

This is highly possible and i felt this when Rice was Sec of State. Paki behavior with black women too is obnoxious if you see how their FM behaved with Condaleeza Rice. She too remained pissed at Porkistan. You do have a point. Paki use of the 'n' word i notice matches that of highly racist Americans.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 23 Jun 2011 09:26

I came across this just now. A partial answer to my previous posts and Obama's statement that they will "insist" on Pakis fighting terrorism

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg1_3

Pakistan pledges three dozen CIA visas

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has pledged to grant more than three dozen visas to CIA officers as part of confidence-building measures following the US raid that killed al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, officials from both countries said on Wednesday, but the visas have not yet been issued. The visas are part of an agreement to rebuild counterterrorism efforts by forming what Pakistani officials call a joint intelligence team, said the officials, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters. The agreement was reached after talks in Islamabad between Pakistani intelligence chief Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha and top CIA officials, including CIA director Leon Panetta, the officials said. The visas will help replenish CIA staff on the ground, as some staffers were forced to leave when their visas were not renewed in the aftermath of the controversy over CIA contractor Raymond Davis, who shot two Pakistanis to death in the city of Lahore, the US official said. ap

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Jun 2011 09:45

harbans wrote:I see the possibility of some interesting piskology here but I will never be able to prove it. Pakistanis successfully ingratiated themselves to a series of white US presidents because Pakistanis have no hesitation in behaving servile to a rich white man. I am certain they didn't behave right with Obama and it is likely that their attitude to Obama may have been like that of racist Americans.

This is highly possible and i felt this when Rice was Sec of State. Paki behavior with black women too is obnoxious if you see how their FM behaved with Condaleeza Rice. She too remained pissed at Porkistan. You do have a point. Paki use of the 'n' word i notice matches that of highly racist Americans.

Interesting point. I had forgotten about Condy. And yes Pakis do use nigga in the American racist sense especially when referring to Indians. Even Paki media often speak of "Africans" bearing particularly low on the evolutionary scale. I think Pakis almost expected Obama to be a buffoon on whom they could show their superiority.

Clinton and Bush did show American power over Pakistan. Clinton played with Nawaz Sharif and Dubya sent Amritraj for GUBO. But both of them stayed within the biradari "honor system" and did not humiliate Pakistan. I am sure Obama has been personally insulted and does not want to play the biradari game with KKK Pakis. Hence the open message to Pakis "Fcuc off"

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Jun 2011 09:52

sanjaykumar wrote:[iIt is all the more significant as the iconoclasts are destroying (only) themselves in their zealotry-while India remains as impassive as ever in its karma. A karma that is distancing the economy from Pakistan at an exponential rate.In ten years time, Pakistanis might as well dream of conquering and colonising Neptune as planting the green flag on the Red Fort.It is truly astounding that India has done this with a minimal expenditure of treasure and more importantly, blood.

In next ten years Paki will be looking to but 2 Gaz zammen on Pluto to bury themsleves . Some thing terribly wonderful gonna happen to Poaks. Keep the beer chilled and fried grams warm to witness the end of Poak haraam. We should never forget to remind Poaks that many Baghiar Singhs in India are agerly awaiting for Ghazwa-be-Hind in Pakistan itself.

pradeepe · Post by **pradeepe** » 23 Jun 2011 09:54

anupmisra wrote:Not 12 years ago. 12 years ago the pakis were getting their H&D handed to them at the end of a stick by Colin Powell. May have been forty fifty years ago, pre 1971. Indian economic reforms of early 1990's were beginning to show extraorduinary results by 2000.

There's a saying. Be careful who you piss up on, on the way up. You might pass them on the way down. The decent is even more ungraceful, if the ride up was just that, hitched on to coattails rather than one's hardwork.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Jun 2011 09:58

shiv wrote:
harbans wrote:I see the possibility of some interesting piskology here but I will never be able to prove it. Pakistanis successfully ingratiated themselves to a series of white US presidents because Pakistanis have no hesitation in behaving servile to a rich white man. I am certain they didn't behave right with Obama and it is likely that their attitude to Obama may have been like that of racist Americans.

This is highly possible and i felt this when Rice was Sec of State. Paki behavior with black women too is obnoxious if you see how their FM behaved with Condaleeza Rice. She too remained pissed at Porkistan. You do have a point. Paki use of the 'n' word i notice matches that of highly racist Americans.
Interesting point. I had forgotten about Condy. And yes Pakis do use nigga in the American racist sense especially when referring to Indians. Even Paki media often speak of "Africans" bearing particularly low on the evolutionary scale. I think Pakis almost expected Obama to be a buffoon on whom they could show their superiority.

Clinton and Bush did show American power over Pakistan. Clinton played with Nawaz Sharif and Dubya sent Amritraj for GUBO. But both of them stayed within the biradari "honor system" and did not humiliate Pakistan. I am sure Obama has been personally insulted and does not want to play the biradari game with KKK Pakis. Hence the open message to Pakis "Fcuc off"

This is strictly anecdotal, but I've observed the privileged Pakis thinking they were white and be condescending to black Americans. Lots of Urdu jokes about blacks in their presence.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Jun 2011 10:01

Thimpu spirit?? Did it have liberal doses of vodka?

After all that has been said and done, are they still expecting us to grease up and...............??

Must have a lot of faith in MMS!!

Hope Indo-Pak talks will be held in Thimphu spirit: Malik

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Jun 2011 10:01

http://pakistaniat.com/2008/09/01/barak-obama-pakistan/

Not everyone who knew Obama in those years is eager to talk. Some explained that they feared inadvertently hurting Obama’s campaign. Among his friends were Siddiqi and two other Pakistanis, all of them from Karachi;
<snip>
Siddiqi said his female friends thought Obama was “a hunk.” “We were always competing,” he said. “You know how it is. You go to a bar and you try hitting on the girls. He had a lot more success. I wouldn’t out-compete him in picking up girls, that’s for sure.” Obama was a tolerant roommate. Siddiqi’s mother, who had never been around a black man, came to visit and she was rude; Obama was nothing but polite. Siddiqi himself could be intemperate – he called Obama an Uncle Tom, but “he was really patient. I’m surprised he suffered me.” Finally, their relationship started to fray. “I was partying all the time. I was disrupting his studies,” Siddiqi said. Obama moved out.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 23 Jun 2011 10:03

Do expect the Pakis to effervescence with untold number of khujlis because of this quote in this NY Times news report:

Drawing Down, With a Vigilant Eye on Pakistan
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/world ... ssess.html

What the raid of the Bin Laden compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, “demonstrated more vividly than ever is that we need a base to strike targets in Pakistan, and the geography is simple: You need to do that from Afghanistan,” said Bruce Reidel, a retired C.I.A. officer who conducted Mr. Obama’s first review of strategy in the region.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Jun 2011 10:05

shiv wrote:
anupmisra wrote:
. In 1985 a Malaysian Chinese guy spoke glowingly of his country's "Proton" cars and asked if India had produced one original car. In the early 80s - India was fair game for criticism from both Sri Lankans and Pakis I met in the UK. Sri Lankans rapidly became "normal" after their civil war.But I do believe that it was Pakistanis successful biratherliness with the USA that gave them the media support in addition to the financial and military support to be contemptuous of India

I had the similar kind of ugly experience in Malaysia in 91. Had a lunch meeting with one old Datoo who did nothing but bitched about indian poverty and Malaysian suceess. In the end i have to give him my wisdom in theth Punjabi style and asked him to pay the bill for wasting my time. Old Khoosat ended up having a dinner party for me same night. I can still vividly recall all the air headed bhoomiputras/putris there.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 23 Jun 2011 10:56

Prem wrote: I had the similar kind of ugly experience in Malaysia in 91. Had a lunch meeting with one old Datoo who did nothing but bitched about indian poverty and Malaysian suceess. In the end i have to give him my wisdom in theth Punjabi style and asked him to pay the bill for wasting my time. Old Khoosat ended up having a dinner party for me same night. I can still vividly recall all the air headed bhoomiputras/putris there.

But that has changed drastically in last decade. When I spent years in Malaysia the respect for India was overwhelming, especially our IT and bollywood. One chinese-malaysian taxi driver even gave me a lecture on Mahatma Gandhi ! Couldn't believe my ears. However there are still some elements who see India as inferior, a third world country. But the number is insignificant. I didn't see in Malaysia pakis were as respected as indians.

P.S: when I say "indians" I am referring recent indian expats.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 23 Jun 2011 12:09

harbans wrote:I am certain they didn't behave right with Obama and it is likely that their attitude to Obama may have been like that of racist Americans.

I agree with you 1000%, I had been thinking on this line but did not have a coherent theory. Paki's non-acceptance of Obama coupled with Obama not involving himself with details like Dubbya. Bob Woodward in his books talks about W's weekly videoconference with Karzai, Malikki, US commanders in the region and Centcom commander(almost daily).
Obama left these interactions to his ambassadors and kept Biden and Kerry also as intermediaries. Sec Clinton also played her role and in all these, the Pakis were fuming.
This de-hypenation was perfected in Obama's visit to India minus a trip to Pakiland.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 23 Jun 2011 12:16

Mort Walker wrote:This is strictly anecdotal, but I've observed the privileged Pakis thinking they were white and be condescending to black Americans. Lots of Urdu jokes about blacks in their presence.

Pakis think they are of White Descent? this is new... I am confused... they call them descendants of Pathans, also Mongols, also Arabs... and what not.. call Chinis birathers... now they claim white lineage... this nation is indeed fckud up!!!

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 23 Jun 2011 12:21

cheenum wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:This is strictly anecdotal, but I've observed the privileged Pakis thinking they were white and be condescending to black Americans. Lots of Urdu jokes about blacks in their presence.
Pakis think they are of White Descent? this is new... I am confused... they call them descendants of Pathans, also Mongols, also Arabs... and what not.. call Chinis birathers... now they claim white lineage... this nation is indeed fckud up!!!

See thats where AIT fits in for them, they descended from Whites who came through Turkey and Iran.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Jun 2011 13:00

Rao arrives in Islamabad for crucial Indo-Pak talks

This time the talks would take place in three segments, including one specially on Jammu and Kashmir.

Asked why there is a special session on Jammu and Kashmir and not on terrorism which is a prime concern of India, officials downplayed it, saying that it has always been a practice to segment issues during the talks. “It is nothing new,” they said.

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 23 Jun 2011 13:41

Video of Shia killing in Parachinar. Not high quality, but every instance of "minority" bashing in the Land of the Pure deserves highlighting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PCzFzT9 ... re=related

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Jun 2011 13:44

Aditya_V wrote:
cheenum wrote: quote="Mort Walker"This is strictly anecdotal, but I've observed the privileged Pakis thinking they were white and be condescending to black Americans. Lots of Urdu jokes about blacks in their presence.
Pakis think they are of White Descent? this is new... I am confused... they call them descendants of Pathans, also Mongols, also Arabs... and what not.. call Chinis birathers... now they claim white lineage... this nation is indeed fckud up!!!
See thats where AIT fits in for them, they descended from Whites who came through Turkey and Iran.

And dipped their wicks in some oil fields on the way??

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 23 Jun 2011 14:47

Whats happening with Obama's Pakistan visit? He promised he will go in 2011.

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 23 Jun 2011 14:53

Pakis are Shat-Beej, born of a hundred seeds

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Guess what that makes the mother of pakistan (GBritain)

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 23 Jun 2011 17:28

Maybe a bit OT but I think this attitude towards people of color seems like a religion thing as I recall an IM also stating something to the effect of calling Africans as "bandars" as stated in their "book". And the Jews as pigs. This was in my early days of interaction and I was startled to say the least.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 23 Jun 2011 18:01

Fareed Zakaria in the Wash. Post:

The radicalization of Pakistan’s military

There is ... strong evidence of a basic shift in the attitude of the Pakistani military.

Islamist ideology is replacing strategy. For 60 years, Pakistan’s military has focused obsessively on its rivalry with India. Large elements within that military appear to be switching obsessions, and the United States is replacing India as the organizing principle around which Pakistan’s military understands its national security interests. If this happens, not only is the Afghan war lost but Pakistan itself is also lost.

Jaspreet · Post by **Jaspreet** » 23 Jun 2011 18:08

May have been forty fifty years ago, pre 1971.

I believe it was a little before POK II and sometime after that.
They probably said so 40-50 years also but thankfully I was spared that then.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 23 Jun 2011 18:14

Whoa, if the Pakistani military is obsessed with India, how is that not 'radicalism'? Once again, we see that when India is the potential victim, the Islamic threat is downplayed.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 23 Jun 2011 19:07

Samudragupta wrote:An interesting take on TSPA.....

However, whatever sentiments his fellow khakis have about the United States, the fact is, the Pakistani officer corps comprises largely of people coming from the lower middle class strata of the society.

This breed is more interested in self-advancement and climbing the social ladder than in any sublime grand strategic heroic venture like a coup against their chief.

Their ultimate coup is getting a good Annual Confidential Report and getting promoted to the next rank. After all, Claus Von Stauffenberg, a German colonel who had placed a bomb in Hitler's bunker to kill him, was an aristocrat.

Vladimir Lenin, who led the Red Army to victory in the Russian Civil War, before establishing the world's first officially socialist state, and Mao Zedong, who led the Long March to victory in the Chinese Civil War, were both from the more well-off classes which is not the case with the Pakistani officers.

A majority of them comes from humble backgrounds, thus socially conservative and narrow in outlook. Therefore, there is hardly any chance of a "Colonels coup" against Kayani who is already trying hard to restore the wounded pride of his Army by adopting an anti-US stance.

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110622.htm

Crap. They might be from humble backgrounds and socially conservative, but the author failed to state that they are also religiously conservative and wrt Islam, religious conservatism means Jihad in the name of Allah and the constant struggle to be purer than the soldier standing in line beside you. Mao and V Lenin and CVS cannot be counted in the same category. Pakis are a like a heap of iron filings attracted to few magnets around them. The biggest magnet these days and for the foreseeable future is Allah. Any person or group that is not attracted or at least doesn't feign attraction to this magnet will be qadrified.
In that sense, there is unlikely to be a civil war in Pakistan to the extent we would like to see. A few skirmishes here and there a la Karachi and things will back to normal. What we will see (and are seeing) is a gradual cancerous decomposition of the Pakistani body. Nothing too violent but rather a slow but sure decomposition. In this case, euthanasia is not an option. Let them suffer !

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 23 Jun 2011 19:36

JI, Muslim Brotherhood partner to 'promote Islam' By APP

LAHORE: Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) Pakistan and the Ikhwanul Muslimoon (Muslim Brotherhood) of Egypt have decided to make joint efforts to promote Islam and find solutions to issues faced by Muslims.

The top leadership of the two parties met at the Ikhwanul Muslimoon headquarters in Cairo on Wednesday.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 23 Jun 2011 20:15

Interesting part about Fair's analysis is that she downplays almost omite TSP terror against India. So essentially she is telling Hitchens, why don't you shut up, TSP will GUBO before us if only we understand their compulsions.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 23 Jun 2011 20:17

actually, she is fitting into shiv's pattern of being nice to the suicidee... as in shush! don't say anything, he might jump!!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Jun 2011 21:12

harbans wrote:I see the possibility of some interesting piskology here but I will never be able to prove it. Pakistanis successfully ingratiated themselves to a series of white US presidents because Pakistanis have no hesitation in behaving servile to a rich white man. I am certain they didn't behave right with Obama and it is likely that their attitude to Obama may have been like that of racist Americans.

This is highly possible and i felt this when Rice was Sec of State. Paki behavior with black women too is obnoxious if you see how their FM behaved with Condaleeza Rice. She too remained pissed at Porkistan. You do have a point. Paki use of the 'n' word i notice matches that of highly racist Americans.

One thing I heard was when obama was student he came acorss some Pakis who used to refer to him as Habshi. Habshi is IM speak for Abssyinian or African. The charge against Razia Sultana was she showed favor to an Abssynian mamluke.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Jun 2011 21:32

Samudragupta wrote:An interesting take on TSPA.....

However, whatever sentiments his fellow khakis have about the United States, the fact is, the Pakistani officer corps comprises largely of people coming from the lower middle class strata of the society.

This breed is more interested in self-advancement and climbing the social ladder than in any sublime grand strategic heroic venture like a coup against their chief.

Their ultimate coup is getting a good Annual Confidential Report and getting promoted to the next rank. After all, Claus Von Stauffenberg, a German colonel who had placed a bomb in Hitler's bunker to kill him, was an aristocrat.

Vladimir Lenin, who led the Red Army to victory in the Russian Civil War, before establishing the world's first officially socialist state, and Mao Zedong, who led the Long March to victory in the Chinese Civil War, were both from the more well-off classes which is not the case with the Pakistani officers.

A majority of them comes from humble backgrounds, thus socially conservative and narrow in outlook. Therefore, there is hardly any chance of a "Colonels coup" against Kayani who is already trying hard to restore the wounded pride of his Army by adopting an anti-US stance.

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110622.htm

Emma Duncan wrote in " Breaking the Curfew" that life in military was the sure way for humble background folks to break the Pak 'notables': landlords, pirs and syeds, hold on society. By working their way up the ranks they became higher than the notables and had them waiting on them. In less than ten years the old connectiosn got unravelled. the notable held sway even during the British period. They werethe first people who had the right to call on the District magistrate or the visting British imperial dignitary. They were the folks to whom people went to seek support or arbitration.

It was Zia's coup that broke the strangelhold of the old order and created a new order with fauji foundation etc.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 23 Jun 2011 21:36

Anindya wrote:
Pakistan's future depends on Kashmir: Prime Minister Gilani

A day ahead of the crucial India-Pakistan talks that will feature the Kashmir issue, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani today said his country's future was "closely linked with the resolution of the Kashmir dispute".

India;s future depends on reclaiming the Indus Valley

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 23 Jun 2011 21:39

One thing I heard was when obama was student he came acorss some Pakis who used to refer to him as Habshi.

Habshi has the same connotations as nigger and means savage. It is a word I think Osama used to refer to an African Muslim in one of his broadcasts.

(Indians are not immune to such talk).

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 23 Jun 2011 21:44

shiv wrote:
ramana wrote:When US took out OBL for whatever reasons they also took out TSPA H&D. Without understanding that they did.
I see the possibility of some interesting piskology here but I will never be able to prove it. Pakistanis successfully ingratiated themselves to a series of white US presidents because Pakistanis have no hesitation in behaving servile to a rich white man. I am certain they didn't behave right with Obama and it is likely that their attitude to Obama may have been like that of racist Americans. I would expect Pakis to imagine that they are almost American by virtue of their obsequious behavior toward white Americans and the resulting kindness they have got. Recall how Dubya went out of his way to declare Pakistan a most favored non NATO ally? That was the most stinking snake oil ever.

Pak understood what the Americans wanted and what is their geo political goals. That is the secret on which they made sure they behaving servile to a rich white man. All this was from 1960s itself.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Jun 2011 21:56

My point being lost in discussion is that by taking out OBL, the US has exposed the vulnerability of the TSPA to the TSP people and hangers-on (recall the Kashmiri guy whining about TSP couldnt protect the Sheikh!). For US its just a raid. For TSPA its matter of survival. They survive on the myth of power and that was shown to be a sham.

Its not a question of TSP ingratiating themsleves to the more pwoerful. They always have doen that. What is the issue at hand is the TSPA is shown to be vulnerable and not all powerful as it claimed. This is as importnat as the Turkish failure at Vienna that set in motion the slow collapse of Ottomon Turkey.
As the TSPA structure is firm and has deep roots in all aspects of TSP life and society, it will appear to be stable even while it has been cracked if not shattered.

Now which groups understand take advantage of the vaccum or malaise the future of TSP will depend on.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 23 Jun 2011 22:36

Rajdeep wrote:Maybe a bit OT but I think this attitude towards people of color seems like a religion thing as I recall an IM also stating something to the effect of calling Africans as "bandars" as stated in their "book". And the Jews as pigs. This was in my early days of interaction and I was startled to say the least.

The Saudis refer to darker-skinned people as "slaves"- in everyday speech.

Many centuries of East African slave trade has bred this in them.

partha · Post by **partha** » 23 Jun 2011 22:46

Advani issues threat

BJP, upped the ante on the Kashmir issue and warned the government against making any compromise on it. BJP leader LK Advani threatened to launch a mass demonstration if the government went in for a settlement of the Kashmir issue with Pakistan.

Advani warning of protests said, "Sometimes we realise that under pressure from some foreign nation, the Indian government thinks of compromising on Kashmir. In fact in the middle, we got information that informal compromises have already been made.

India talking Kashmir and sidelining 26/11 in the on going talks, Advani warning Govt. about Kashmir compromise.
What's cooking?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Jun 2011 00:15

partha wrote:Advani issues threat

India talking Kashmir and sidelining 26/11 in the on going talks, Advani warning Govt. about Kashmir compromise.
What's cooking?

Looks to me that TSP has achieved its 26/11 objective: getting India to talk Kashmir, and in return scaling back while talks go on. Hence no pigLet attack. TSP and US have always maintained that India talks Kashmir, they scale back LeT.

Advnai's threat is a joke. Sonia, MMS, and their doggie will shoot them like they would shoot wild animals. Recall what they did to Baba Ramdev and his supporters; or the machismo they showed in stopping BJP's tirnga yatra during republic day (this even as Mirwaiz fakroo is allowed to represent "Indian occupied Kashmi" on an Indian passport. World's larget democracy onlee where mother India can be pissed on and this is celebrated as a virtue by the "secularist" ruling elite). And for that MMS will be hailed by the white boys for a job well done and having the "courage" to take on "Hindu extremists" in the interest of "world peace". Nothing hypothetical about all this. Past events make all this a real possibility.

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 24 Jun 2011 00:53

sanjaykumar wrote:One thing I heard was when obama was student he came acorss some Pakis who used to refer to him as Habshi.

Habshi has the same connotations as nigger and means savage. It is a word I think Osama used to refer to an African Muslim in one of his broadcasts.

(Indians are not immune to such talk).

Habshi was used by the Marathas to describe the Siddhis (Muslims of Ethopian/Somalii) origin who lived on the West Coast. The word comes from from Al-Habsh, the Arabic term for Abyssinia It was not used in a pejorative sense then, but it has become so now. See Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 24 Jun 2011 00:56

partha wrote:Advani issues threat

BJP, upped the ante on the Kashmir issue and warned the government against making any compromise on it. BJP leader LK Advani threatened to launch a mass demonstration if the government went in for a settlement of the Kashmir issue with Pakistan.

Advani warning of protests said, "Sometimes we realise that under pressure from some foreign nation, the Indian government thinks of compromising on Kashmir. In fact in the middle, we got information that informal compromises have already been made.
India talking Kashmir and sidelining 26/11 in the on going talks, Advani warning Govt. about Kashmir compromise.
What's cooking?

Advani is a joke and his threat is more so. And this threat is coming from a guy who basically legitimized the creation of Pukistan by paying homage at the unworthy Jinnah's grave.

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 24 Jun 2011 01:03

Hillary told Senate committee today:

The United States is not prepared to continue the same levels of military aid to Pakistan unless it sees some changes in the relationship, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Thursday.

"When it comes to our military aid, we are not prepared to continue providing that at the pace we were providing it unless and until we see some steps taken," Clinton told a Senate committee

No wonder the jarnails are so riled at Amerika Bahadur!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110623/pl_ ... _clinton_2

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 24 Jun 2011 01:24

from "The News" (posting in full).
Musharaf former ADC body found from house

Updated 1 hour ago
ISLAMABAD: Dead body of Maj. (Retd.) Tanvir Ahmed, former ADC of Ex-president Pervez Musharraf, was found from his residence on Thursday, Geo News reported.

According to police, Maj (Retd.) Tanvir’s body was recovered from his residence in F-11 area of Islambad.

The officials said that Maj. (Retd.) Tanvir Ahmed had committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.

Case of black lentils or just another day in TSP?