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Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 15 Aug 2015 12:26
by Austin
The Federal Reserve Asset Bubble Machine - By RUCHIR SHARMA

Easy money is driving up the price of stocks, bonds, houses and other assets in a era without historical precedent.
Janet Yellen’s comment last week at the International Monetary Fund headquarters in Washington, D.C., that stock prices are “quite high” hardly captures the frothiness in U.S. financial markets. The Federal Reserve chair’s admission also stopped short of acknowledging the role of free money in inflating the price of stocks—as well as the price of bonds, houses and every other financial asset.

At Morgan Stanley Investment Management, we have analyzed data going back two centuries and found that until the past decade no major central bank had ever before set short-term interest rates at zero, even in periods of deflation.

To critics who warn that pumping trillions of dollars into the economy in a short period is bound to drive up inflation, today’s central bankers point to stagnant consumer prices and say, “Look, Ma, no inflation.” But this ignores the fact that when money is nominally free, strange things happen, and today record-low rates are fueling an unprecedented bout of inflation across asset prices.

The Fed’s defenders quibble that houses are less pricey than in the bubble of 2007, or that stocks are less pricey than in 2000, which misses the difference this time around. In the past 50 years, valuations of U.S. stock prices have been higher than they are now for less than 10% of the time, and similar figures hold for bonds and houses. This kind of synchronized boom has never happened, not even before the last two major meltdowns. My research team’s composite valuation for the three major financial assets in America—stocks, bonds and houses—is currently well above levels reached during the bubbles of 2000 and 2007.

Faith in the Fed’s easy-money policies has encouraged a dangerous complacency. The mantra on Wall Street is that good economic news is good news for the markets, but that bad news is also good news, because it will encourage the Fed to keep rates lower for longer. This has led to one of the longest rallies the U.S. stock market has ever experienced, without even a 10% correction. Returns since 2012 are the highest for any three-year period in recorded history, after adjusting for the risk of holding stocks.

The Fed’s approach has spread to central banks in Europe, Japan and China, creating a new world in which investment decisions are guided by the availability of easy money, not opportunity. Over the past three years, global stock prices have risen rapidly despite tepid economic growth. Oh well, the central bank responds: We target consumer prices, not assets.

This job description is outdated, because the task is largely done. In emerging nations, the average annual growth of consumer prices now hovers around 5%, down from a peak of 116% in 1994. Add in the rich countries, which are generally more stable, and global inflation has fallen to 2% today from near 20% in the early 1970s.

Central bankers are still fighting to control consumer prices, only now for the opposite reason. Rather than raising interest rates to contain consumer spending and inflation, they hold rates down to encourage spending and induce inflation, because the global inflation rate of 2% is dangerously low in their view. The fear is that slowly rising prices will tip into falling prices. The boogeyman is not hyperinflationary Germany of the 1930s, but deflationary Japan of the 1990s, when the country fell into a downward spiral of falling prices, weak demand and stagnant growth.

Japan taught the world two lessons: that consumer price deflation is bad for growth and that it is hard to shake. Both are inaccurate. Before World War I, many nations experienced deflation, sometimes driven by weak demand and leading to weak growth, but as often driven by rising productivity and accompanied by strong growth.

A recent Bank for International Settlements study on the postwar period found that long bouts of deflation were exceedingly rare, but short bouts were common. More important, average annual GDP growth was roughly the same regardless of whether prices were rising or falling. The upshot: Consumer price deflation is not necessarily bad for growth.

One problem is that the world changed faster than the Fed. Trade has jumped to 60% of global GDP from 40% in 1980, and increasing competition puts downward pressure on consumer prices. The forces of expanding supply from China to Mexico are pushing the global average inflation rate down to a level that looks scary low only when compared with the 1970s highs. In fact, consumer price inflation is still above the long-term average, dating to the year 1200, which is 1%.

But global competition wields the opposite effect on asset prices. The opening of financial markets means that many more buyers are bidding up prices for stocks in New York, or real estate in Miami or bonds in Chicago. The result is that central banks are unleashing easy money to fight an imaginary villain, consumer price deflation, at the risk of feeding a real monster, asset price inflation.

Every major economic shock in recent decades has been preceded by an asset bubble: housing and stocks both before Japan’s meltdown in 1990 and before the Asian financial crisis in 1998; stocks before the U.S. dot-com bust in 2000; housing again before the crisis in 2008. Strikingly, even as asset prices were climbing before the busts of 2000 and 2008, the Fed kept monetary policy loose because consumer prices were rising only moderately. That is the same excuse we hear now, amid a price boom in stocks, houses and bonds.

It is true that bubbles are most dangerous when people are borrowing heavily, and are buried by debt when the bubble collapses. Because U.S. households have been cutting debt, Ms. Yellen says the situation is not unduly risky. But U.S. corporations are borrowing heavily, and not all bubbles are fed by rising debt.

The Fed now leads a culture of central bankers who see their job as reducing unemployment and stabilizing prices for consumer goods only, come what may in the markets. This needs to change. In a world in which high trade and money flows tend to restrain consumer prices but magnify asset prices, central banks need to take responsibility for both. After all, asset price inflation is as dangerous as consumer price inflation.

Mr. Sharma is the head of emerging markets and global macro at Morgan Stanley Investment Management and the author of “Breakout Nations: In Pursuit of the Next Economic Miracles” (Norton, 2012).

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 15 Aug 2015 18:40
by chanakyaa
Good to hear from you PH, after a brief break.

Country I've been following recently, Brasil. Not sure if the following area is getting any attention in the BRICS. I think One of the bricks in the BRICS is/has been under heavy attack ever since anti-Wyestern-establishment Dilma Rousseff took presidency in 2014. Her anti-Wyestern-establishment views are very well known. In light of international wire tapping, 08 crisis, she has made her opposition known. But, it is very likely that in 2018 she and party could be gone, given the support for the runner up, the parties supported by pro-international-establishment. The impeachment buziness suggests that this brick could be weakened well before 2018.

Impeaching A Brazilian President In 5 Easy Steps

What good are rating agencies if they don't act per instructions
Moody's downgrades Brazil to near-junk status

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 16 Aug 2015 04:30
by chanakyaa
Why China Devalued the Yuan
China has devalued the Yuan for the third day in a row. For many, this has aroused fears of a currency war. But, as Paul-Martin Foss explains below, its a bit hypocritical of Americans or Europeans to regard the Chinese as mean and nasty and currency warriors because they're letting their currency adjust against a constantly-devaluing dollar and euro. The US has been devaluing the dollar for years, but that's a-ok for Wesrern commetators, apparently. Now, as Frank Hollenbeck has pointed out, devaluing the currency to favor exporters is a bad idea, but that's nevertheless what Europe, the US, and Japan have been doing for years - unofficially. The fact that China is now trying to get in on the game is just the expected outcome of the current global monetary race to the bottom:
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 16 Aug 2015 04:34
by chanakyaa

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 16 Aug 2015 11:53
by Austin
udaym wrote:Good to hear from you PH, after a brief break.

Country I've been following recently, Brasil. Not sure if the following area is getting any attention in the BRICS. I think One of the bricks in the BRICS is/has been under heavy attack ever since anti-Wyestern-establishment Dilma Rousseff took presidency in 2014. Her anti-Wyestern-establishment views are very well known. In light of international wire tapping, 08 crisis, she has made her opposition known. But, it is very likely that in 2018 she and party could be gone, given the support for the runner up, the parties supported by pro-international-establishment. The impeachment buziness suggests that this brick could be weakened well before 2018.

Impeaching A Brazilian President In 5 Easy Steps

What good are rating agencies if they don't act per instructions
Moody's downgrades Brazil to near-junk status
Dilma was not happy with her phone getting tapped by US and complained loudly and well the Establishment striked back , She was lucky to win the last election when most western press was rooting for the opposition party.

No surprise now the attack is on the economy via Moody ,S&P , expect IMF and WB to do the needful

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 16 Aug 2015 11:54
by Austin
Latest figure from WB on Gross domestic product 2014, PPP

http://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP_PPP.pdf

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 16 Aug 2015 11:55
by Austin
Latest figure from WB on Gross domestic product 2014, PPP

http://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP_PPP.pdf

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 17 Aug 2015 07:40
by Neshant
A short documentary on the gold dinar in Indonesia.


Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 17 Aug 2015 11:51
by TSJones
Austin wrote:Latest figure from WB on Gross domestic product 2014, PPP

http://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP_PPP.pdf
Russia is fifth largest global economy per capita PPP?

Gezuss, talk about meaningless statistics!

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 17 Aug 2015 12:13
by Austin
^^ Well they actually took over Germany PPP wise last year IIRC

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 17 Aug 2015 12:41
by a_bharat
@TSJones, it is PPP based GDP, not per capita.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 17 Aug 2015 16:43
by panduranghari
UdayM wrote:
No surprise now the attack is on the economy via Moody ,S&P , expect IMF and WB to do the needful
There is no market left. Only interventions. A f*****g exercise of futility.

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Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 17 Aug 2015 18:21
by TSJones
I think this table is far more relevant:

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY. ... t&sort=asc

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 18 Aug 2015 09:17
by Austin
TSJones wrote:I think this table is far more relevant:

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY. ... t&sort=asc
Why ?

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 18 Aug 2015 12:37
by TSJones
Austin wrote:
TSJones wrote:I think this table is far more relevant:

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY. ... t&sort=asc
Why ?
Because it stops such silly skewed results like showing Russia as the 5th largest global economy.

I mean Russia is the 5th largest economy by PPP and yet puny Spain gives more to the UN regular budget than Russia does? What kind of horse sh*t is that?

Not only that, what does the comparison mean when half of your citizens are practically non-participants in the national economy like China? Where is the validity of the comparison of say, China to any European country? It's meaningless.

So China spends gobs of money on their military. They can ignore half their citizenry and spend gazillions on defense because by a straight up comparison they have a huge economy. Their politics allow them to do this and choke everybody to death in pollution. In a real democracy, it wouldn't.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 18 Aug 2015 18:14
by Austin
What has UN contribution or being Communist or Democratic has any thing to do with those figures from WB , By that logic I would say even Debt to GDP ratio should be counted when making those numbers

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 18 Aug 2015 18:23
by TSJones
Austin wrote:What has UN contribution or being Communist or Democratic has any thing to do with those figures from WB , By that logic I would say even Debt to GDP ratio should be counted when making those numbers
Well, with the currency devaluation currently going on for the BRICs, the GDP PPP will be a highly movable target.

the only thing helping them is the collapse in various commodity prices.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 18 Aug 2015 20:23
by RoyG
Once OPEC stops taking dollars for oil, this whole devaluation business is going to be finished. WASP fat cats in the West suck up all the productivity from the world and leave us crumbs.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 18 Aug 2015 21:15
by TSJones
Stop taking dollars?

What are they going to accept then, pray tell?

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 18 Aug 2015 21:20
by TSJones
Russian economy worsening......

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/putin-eco ... 00962.html
Last year, in addition to harsh international sanctions imposed over the invasion of Crimea, the Russian people suffered a massive devaluation of the ruble against international benchmark currencies. It took 30.4 rubles to buy one U.S. dollar in January 2013. By the end of January 2015, the price had more than doubled to 69.5 rubles to a dollar. Much of the fall was driven by the decline in oil prices, which are key to Russia’s energy-heavy economy.
and this is the 5th largest economy in the world by PPP?

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 19 Aug 2015 11:38
by Austin

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 19 Aug 2015 11:39
by Austin

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 19 Aug 2015 11:39
by Austin

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 19 Aug 2015 15:43
by Austin
Keiser Report, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert are joined by Alasdair Macleod of GoldMoney.com (and Bitgold.com) and Ben Dyson of PositiveMoney.com to propose solutions to the problems presented by private banks creating money by issuing loans


Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 19 Aug 2015 15:46
by Altair


SHEMITAH EXPOSED: Financial Crisis-September 2015

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 19 Aug 2015 16:47
by Austin
Nothing is going to happen in September 2015 :lol:

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 19 Aug 2015 19:59
by TSJones
Well the Fed could raise interest rates in September............

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 19 Aug 2015 21:32
by RoyG
TSJones wrote:Stop taking dollars?

What are they going to accept then, pray tell?
A basket of currencies pegged to gold. There is a reason why Central Banks are hording the stuff.

Dollar trade is decreasing at just a little over 1% a year. Slow and steady.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 19 Aug 2015 21:36
by johneeG
RoyG wrote:
TSJones wrote:Stop taking dollars?

What are they going to accept then, pray tell?
A basket of currencies pegged to gold. There is a reason why Central Banks are hording the stuff.

Dollar trade is decreasing at just a little over 1% a year. Slow and steady.
Yep, looks like slow shift away from dollar. Thats nice actually. A sudden shift can have a lot of negative effect. I think dollar is done. The real problem now seems to be the shape of china's economy. If china can carry the world or not?

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 19 Aug 2015 22:54
by TSJones
RoyG wrote:
TSJones wrote:Stop taking dollars?

What are they going to accept then, pray tell?
A basket of currencies pegged to gold. There is a reason why Central Banks are hording the stuff.

Dollar trade is decreasing at just a little over 1% a year. Slow and steady.
ah, some entity-to-be-named-later is going to support a gold standard?

Very well, I avidly look forward to this occurrence. :)

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 20 Aug 2015 12:39
by Austin
TSJones wrote:Well the Fed could raise interest rates in September............
These predictions are based on cyclic thing and not on Fed interest rate hikes when ever that happens

http://www.sputniknews.com/business/201 ... 18543.html

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 20 Aug 2015 12:40
by Austin
RoyG wrote:A basket of currencies pegged to gold. There is a reason why Central Banks are hording the stuff.

Dollar trade is decreasing at just a little over 1% a year. Slow and steady.
10 Things Every Economist Should Know About The Gold Standard

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 20 Aug 2015 14:26
by panduranghari
Austin,
There will NEVER EVER EVER be a gold standard EVER. It has been tried before unsuccessfully. No one in the world will trust it again. It was the perfidy of US which forced gold standard on the world. If you want proof, read http://www.amazon.com/dp/160598681X/?tag=newbooinhis-20

Anecdote from the Book-

When Allies and Axis were at war, the were doing back room negotiations about the future economic models. The proposals from Nazi Germany was forwarded to the Allied powers. They (Allies) were represented by JM Keyenes and Harry Dexter White. They loved the proposal of the Axis powers. However, the edict from the top i.e. American and British elite was - no way are we accepting what Nazi's are proposing. And thus came into being The Bretton Woods conference at New Hampshire.

Of course take it for whatever its worth. Back into the cave with my precious...gollum gollum.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 20 Aug 2015 18:35
by TSJones
People tend to get currency and things such as loans and letters of credit, sovereign debt(government issued bonds and notes) and corporate debt all mixed up.

They will parrot such mindless stats like total debt of a nation's economy, etc. and then act like it could all come crashing down regardless of the sector involved. They treat derivatives the same way.

Economists go to great lengths to distinguish the different forms of liquid assets with definitions and measurements there of, M1, M2, M3, etc.

True, it's all money so to speak, but it has different volatility.

Your darn check book is a form of money for crying out loud. Your signature means something legally until proven otherwise.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 20 Aug 2015 22:19
by Altair
I dont know how many here browse "dot onion" sites in Tor. There is a lot of buzz around talking about something big happening in september/october.
Worldwide Financial Meltdown is the most talked topic. There is nothing to argue against as most of the world markets are hanging by thread anyways. Some of the usual stuff discussed include
=> Some say Trump nomination is itself a signal of how nasty things can become.
=> "Jade Helm 15" is a cover just like there was a NORAD op during 9/11
=> Atleast couple of dozen Walmarts have been shutdown for public till further notice in the south
=> Cheyenne Mountain being prepped
=> 70th UN GA meet in last week of sep and lot of world leaders including Pope have an important message for world

I realize, all these look very very random but people can connect and form an image what they want to see. I probably can see a pattern in my dog poop as well. But, 1000s of people cannot be wrong at the same time. It is not group think or mob mentality. I am sure no two users of this forum agree on a single issue. If a 2008 crash repeats we are in for a whole lot of trouble. Does the collective wisdom point to something on our way?

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 20 Aug 2015 23:19
by RoyG
panduranghari wrote:Austin,
There will NEVER EVER EVER be a gold standard EVER. It has been tried before unsuccessfully. No one in the world will trust it again. It was the perfidy of US which forced gold standard on the world. If you want proof, read http://www.amazon.com/dp/160598681X/?tag=newbooinhis-20

Anecdote from the Book-

When Allies and Axis were at war, the were doing back room negotiations about the future economic models. The proposals from Nazi Germany was forwarded to the Allied powers. They (Allies) were represented by JM Keyenes and Harry Dexter White. They loved the proposal of the Axis powers. However, the edict from the top i.e. American and British elite was - no way are we accepting what Nazi's are proposing. And thus came into being The Bretton Woods conference at New Hampshire.

Of course take it for whatever its worth. Back into the cave with my precious...gollum gollum.
Not gold standard in the traditional sense. Simply put, for foreign transactions you need to peg to something to determine the fiat value. Gold parked in the vault is convenient simply because all major central banks have some quantity of it. Central Banks will start with the 1 ounce to 1 paper note and simply make the quantity of notes in circulation reflective. If the gov decides to print more than the gold stock, that's completely fine.

The point I'm trying to make is, we're going to reach a stage where the dollar peg will be no longer sustainable and OPEC will move away from it. Gold is simply the next best thing because its a common denominator of all major central banks.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 20 Aug 2015 23:23
by RoyG
ah, some entity-to-be-named-later is going to support a gold standard?

Very well, I avidly look forward to this occurrence. :)
ah, if it's just tradition, just unload your entire gold stock of 8000 tons onto the open market, and let Indians gobble it all up. It's a win-win. You'll send the dollar soaring and lower our CAD. :roll:

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 20 Aug 2015 23:25
by RoyG
TSJones wrote:People tend to get currency and things such as loans and letters of credit, sovereign debt(government issued bonds and notes) and corporate debt all mixed up.

They will parrot such mindless stats like total debt of a nation's economy, etc. and then act like it could all come crashing down regardless of the sector involved. They treat derivatives the same way.

Economists go to great lengths to distinguish the different forms of liquid assets with definitions and measurements there of, M1, M2, M3, etc.

True, it's all money so to speak, but it has different volatility.

Your darn check book is a form of money for crying out loud. Your signature means something legally until proven otherwise.
What is your M3? :lol:

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 20 Aug 2015 23:31
by RoyG
Altair wrote:I dont know how many here browse "dot onion" sites in Tor. There is a lot of buzz around talking about something big happening in september/october.
Worldwide Financial Meltdown is the most talked topic. There is nothing to argue against as most of the world markets are hanging by thread anyways. Some of the usual stuff discussed include
=> Some say Trump nomination is itself a signal of how nasty things can become.
=> "Jade Helm 15" is a cover just like there was a NORAD op during 9/11
=> Atleast couple of dozen Walmarts have been shutdown for public till further notice in the south
=> Cheyenne Mountain being prepped
=> 70th UN GA meet in last week of sep and lot of world leaders including Pope have an important message for world

I realize, all these look very very random but people can connect and form an image what they want to see. I probably can see a pattern in my dog poop as well. But, 1000s of people cannot be wrong at the same time. It is not group think or mob mentality. I am sure no two users of this forum agree on a single issue. If a 2008 crash repeats we are in for a whole lot of trouble. Does the collective wisdom point to something on our way?
Yawn, nothing is going to happen.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 20 Aug 2015 23:38
by RoyG
panduranghari wrote:Austin,
There will NEVER EVER EVER be a gold standard EVER. It has been tried before unsuccessfully. No one in the world will trust it again. It was the perfidy of US which forced gold standard on the world. If you want proof, read http://www.amazon.com/dp/160598681X/?tag=newbooinhis-20

Anecdote from the Book-

When Allies and Axis were at war, the were doing back room negotiations about the future economic models. The proposals from Nazi Germany was forwarded to the Allied powers. They (Allies) were represented by JM Keyenes and Harry Dexter White. They loved the proposal of the Axis powers. However, the edict from the top i.e. American and British elite was - no way are we accepting what Nazi's are proposing. And thus came into being The Bretton Woods conference at New Hampshire.

Of course take it for whatever its worth. Back into the cave with my precious...gollum gollum.
Yes and no. The difference is the gold will just sit there. It won't dictate domestic spending policy directly. What is being proposed now is to simply tie the notes in circulation to the gold in the bank. If ounce goes to 5000 USD, that's fine. It'll be a lot more stable than the speculation that is going on now and its something that all the major central banks have.

The only other alternative is the SDR but that'll flunk in due time.