Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

RamSuresh · Post by **RamSuresh** » 12 Apr 2015 16:51

I have a doubt.

If Pakistan is concerned about any negative fallout of helping Saudis, shouldnt it be only about Shia forces in the army. If the Pak army is actually on the ground in Saudi/Yemen, wont the shia armymen already know about it? In that case for whose consumption is this public posturing of Nawaz, army, UAE and Saudi? Why does Pakistan really care about public opinion from any part of its country?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 Apr 2015 18:04

General Assad Durrani -- utter scum. I don't know if this video will be viewable everywhere. This is Al Jazeera's Head-to-Head program.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mbg ... utube_news

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 12 Apr 2015 19:02

Enemy backed group killed Baloch labourers

QUOTE: Bugti said that 20 labourers ........... in a terrorist attack in Turbat. He claimed a terrorist group in Balochistan had received funding and training from " the enemy" .......

COMMENT: As one reader rightly remarked - where is the proof of Indian involvement.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Apr 2015 19:07

A_Gupta wrote:General Assad Durrani -- utter scum. I don't know if this video will be viewable everywhere. This is Al Jazeera's Head-to-Head program.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mbg ... utube_news

A_GuptaJi, how old/new is that video? I found one latest one (if you intend to watch, I issue a puke alert) from Al Jazeera: viewtopic.php?p=1826995#p1826995

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Apr 2015 19:08

RamSuresh wrote:I have a doubt.

If Pakistan is concerned about any negative fallout of helping Saudis, shouldnt it be only about Shia forces in the army. If the Pak army is actually on the ground in Saudi/Yemen, wont the shia armymen already know about it? In that case for whose consumption is this public posturing of Nawaz, army, UAE and Saudi? Why does Pakistan really care about public opinion from any part of its country?

The charade is for western donors - to say that democracy is alive and healthy and that the army is firmly under civilian control.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Apr 2015 19:10

A_Gupta wrote:General Assad Durrani -- utter scum.

Asad Durrani used to be introduced to Indian audience by Arnab Goswami in panel discussions as the most sensible ISI chief. I used to laugh out so loudly as to hurt my ribs. I am not sure if it is a sarcastic reference or a thoroughly misplaced notion.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Apr 2015 19:26

SSridharJi, I have never understood the logic of all Indian news channels bringing on Paki terrorists, addressing them as sir, and let them lie with a straight face.

And even those on Indian side who are usually display some nationalism like say Vivek Katju, will address scum bags like Shezaad Chaudhary as "my friend". And most often, far from pummeling TSP in a united voice, the "debates" turn out to be a BJP Vs Cong slug fest of bean counting, with Pakis listening on. Or TV hosts endearing themselves to the Paki terrorists they invite by saying "they will get a chance to speak" and their channel is not like some other channel.

On US media for example, its very rare to see an alternative PoV when it comes to US enemies, be it Iran or whoever. And even if there is someone, the poor chap will be ambushed and be portrayed as the vile enemy that only justifies why their govt (US govt) has them on "exis of evil" or whatever.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 12 Apr 2015 19:27

Falijee wrote:Enemy backed group killed Baloch labourers

QUOTE: Bugti said that 20 labourers ........... in a terrorist attack in Turbat. He claimed a terrorist group in Balochistan had received funding and training from " the enemy" .......

COMMENT: As one reader rightly remarked - where is the proof of Indian involvement.

Looks like all those killed were pakistanis and not Balochis. As per comments 16 Pakjabis and 4 Sindhis. 13 of them belonged to Dera rahim yar Khan Sadiqabad Tehsil. Message is clear.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Apr 2015 19:31

CRamS wrote:I have never understood the logic of all Indian news channels bringing on Paki terrorists, addressing them as sir, and let them lie with a straight face.

Me too, but, I think that this is DNA.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 12 Apr 2015 19:35

A_Gupta wrote:General Assad Durrani -- utter scum. I don't know if this video will be viewable everywhere. This is Al Jazeera's Head-to-Head program.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mbg ... utube_news

Wait for the political fallout, in light of the recent statement made by an UAE minister ( UAE warns Pakistan of 'heavy price for ambiguous stand ' on Yemen) ; no more Al Jazeera interviews for Ex ISI generals !

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 12 Apr 2015 19:37

A_Gupta wrote: ...

All this rhona-dhona, focus on Pakistan is addling people's brains. Please look East, Act East, and don't post something on the STFUP thread without at least one other post on a non-Pakistan thread. You want a change in the world, the change starts with you, which is the entity you have the most control over. Don't speak of control/leverage over Pakistan till you have control over yourself.
...

I get that pakistan is not "solvable " (or it would have been "solved") but I have a good deal of sympathy with the POV that India has to come up with novel and unfamiliar forms of thinking if it is to effectively survive pakistan which does have nukes and missiles not to speak of the almost-bestially-stupid-and-savage-population bomb pointed at India. I would accept some degree of futile emotional flailing in the cause of keeping the Indian mind engaged in making the kinds of changes that would be needed for developing the skills to eventually solve pakistan.

The other thing--combining a lofty indifference towards Pakistan with a focus on areas of India's world that are more readily solvable ("look East")--seems like a rather reckless sleight of hand to me. Look East is valid and valuable in its own right but equal-equal between that and rona-dhona about our inadequate capability to survive Pakistan is an error in my view.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Apr 2015 19:45

SSridhar wrote:
CRamS wrote:I have never understood the logic of all Indian news channels bringing on Paki terrorists, addressing them as sir, and let them lie with a straight face.
Me too, but, I think that this is DNA.

1. It is called capitalism. The news channels get eyeballs and they make money
2. If the US does not allow anti-US people on TV - well this is India, not the US.

Ultimately it is the colonized mind English channels that do this and are watch be Indians who do not watch anything but English channels in India.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Apr 2015 19:46

KLNMurthy wrote: I get that pakistan is not "solvable " (or it would have been "solved") but I have a good deal of sympathy with the POV that India has to come up with novel and unfamiliar forms of thinking if it is to effectively survive pakistan which does have nukes and missiles not to speak of the almost-bestially-stupid-and-savage-population bomb pointed at India.

Thats exactly my thinking too. India and TSP ignoring each other will be the ideal "peace" because they are like oil and water and simply cannot mix. But the problem is that it has to be mutual. India alone ignoring TSP is not going to work, because even if India ignores TSP, TSP is not going to ignore India. I am hoping ModiJi in due course will come up with some out-of-the box thinking however loaded the dice maybe against him.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 12 Apr 2015 19:48

arun wrote: ...

UAE Minister Threatens Pakistan : Twitter Reactions

Read the first few tweets at the paki tea leaves site. Very interesting.

Paki military mouthpiece Ejaz Haider snaps off democratically at the Saudis.

Paki liberal democratic academician Hussain Haqqani tut-tuts at the message of "unreliability" the paki parliament resolution sends.

Here is a nice one from a witty paki (yes they do exist) with the handle of Imran Khan:

As a punishment for Pakistan's intransigence, donors from Gulf should stop funding our madrassas. Please let us burn in hell. We deserve it.
9:03 AM - 11 Apr 2015

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 12 Apr 2015 19:51

Al-keeda Indian branch confirm US drones kill 2 leaders in Pakistan
http://www.d_awn.com/news/1175473/al-keeda-indian-branch-confirm-us-drones-kill-2-leaders-in-pakistan

So Al Keeda forms an Indian Branch based in Pakistan and its Afghan Charge de affaires talks of drone killing two pakistani whereas Jawahari announces formation of Al Keeda in Indian Sub continent. WTF

ISLAMABAD: A spokesman for al-keeda's new Indian branch says U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan have killed two of its leaders.

In an audio message released Sunday, Usama Mahmood identified the dead as deputy chief Ahmed Farooq and Qari Imran, in charge of the group's Afghan affairs.

Mahmood says a Jan. 5 drone strike in North Waziristan killed Imran, while a later drone strike killed Farooq.

Al-keeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri announced the creation of al-keeda in the Indian Subcontinent in September.

The terror group increasingly finds itself overshadowed internationally by the self-styled Islamic State group, which holds a third of Iraq and Syria in its self-declared caliphate so it is now being funded and supported by Pakistanis with special emphasis on India.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Apr 2015 19:56

There is no magic. There is no out of box thinking that will work.

Indians have deep links with Pakistan and not just the separatists and the post independence old guard and Kandle Kissers. Indian Muslims have links with Pakistan. Bollywood and the artsy-fartsy types have links with Pakistan. Schools and colleges maintain links with Pakistan. Hospitals and doctors have links with Pakistan. Business houses have links with Pakistan. India is going to continue to take the attitude that Pakistan aggression and nastiness represent only a proportion of Pakistanis - most often called as "a minority" of Pakistanis.

There is very little that we can do about this other than rant or shake our heads in dismay. Pakistan is never going to be totally ignored by India and they will never ignore us. But maybe we could do that on BRF and put them out of mind for brief periods of time, if only because it suits Pakistan to have the attention of Indians - who will listen to the crap they throw at us.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Apr 2015 19:58

Capitalism must be augmented with nationalism. And I don't understand how capitalism is served by bringing on Paki terrorists on Indian TV. It does not mean undermining India's own case by inviting Paki terrorists and allowing them to get away with lies and filth and propaganda. However, it does influence young Indian minds who already are apathetic to Paki machinations, busy as they are with Hollywood/Bollywood, cricket, and IT.

If DDM continues this path along with Cong, the day is not far off when we have TSP, DDM, and Cong/AAP on the one side taking on "Hindu nationalists" to bring peace to "South Asia". Is that how capitalism should work?

No self respecting media will allow Pakis to come on Indian TV and make an equivalence between an act of war (26/11) and Samjautha. And no self respecting media (and politicians) will make an arse of themselves and making a laughing stock of India by bean counting on who did worse in taking on TSP with the enemy watching on. No US democrat or republican will go on CNN and argue as to who did worse with an Al Queda terrorist laughing his arse off. And mind you, US is the epitome of capitalism. Yet, thats the spectacle we see every time Pakis send in their pigLeTs or there is a flare up on the LOC.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Apr 2015 20:01

CRamS wrote:Capitalism must be augmented with nationalism.

Your opinion

CRamS wrote:No self respecting media will allow .

Please name some self respecting Indian media.

habal · Post by **habal** » 12 Apr 2015 20:16

Najam Sethi opines, the paki parliamentary trick hasn't worked and failed to impress the gcc arabs. The UAE minister threat is their way of giving a deadline or an ultimatum that this is serious and pakis have no way out of it. Sethi Jihadi thinks that shortly Sharif and Sharif will visit Soothis and main topic of discussion will not be whether they send or don't send troops .. Sethi thinks pakistan will have to commit atleast 10000 troops in earnest but discussion will be upon under whose command wil the troops function. The Pakistanis will insist on 'joint-command' at the very least as Saudis will not agree to Pakistani command of pakistani troops in Soothi Arabis.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Apr 2015 20:24

KLNMurthy wrote:
arun wrote: ...

UAE Minister Threatens Pakistan : Twitter Reactions
Read the first few tweets at the paki tea leaves site. Very interesting.

Paki military mouthpiece Ejaz Haider snaps off democratically at the Saudis.

Paki liberal democratic academician Hussain Haqqani tut-tuts at the message of "unreliability" the paki parliament resolution sends.

Here is a nice one from a witty paki (yes they do exist) with the handle of Imran Khan:
As a punishment for Pakistan's intransigence, donors from Gulf should stop funding our madrassas. Please let us burn in hell. We deserve it.
9:03 AM - 11 Apr 2015

by pointing out the unpalatable obvious, Hussain Haqqani is willfully pouring salt over the paki wounds. many pakis are simply unable to and embarrassed to voice the same sentiment even though they all know that they have, as a nation, reneged on some serious agreements with the saudis. That, taqiyya is being used, against their saudi masters who have already paid their bills in full and in advance is an unspoken national shame compounded by the sly parliamentary subterfuge.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 12 Apr 2015 20:46

Lahore to Dammam flight prevented from landing in Saudi Arabia: reports

QUOTE:
However, the reports quoted him as saying that the same aircraft had landed in Saudi Arabia previously on the same route ......
COMMENTS:
The political fallout for not supporting SA 100% is already starting to show; reader's comments are very interesting

arun · Post by **arun** » 12 Apr 2015 21:26

arun wrote:UAE press reports about the Islamic Republic of Pakistan not providing the Arab Sunni Mohammadden coalition material support for their action in Yemen.

Khaleej Times:

UAE condemns Pakistan's vote on Yemen : Warns of heavy price for ambiguous stand

Gulf News:

Gargash: Pakistan's vote on Yemen ‘unexpected’

Adapting Simon Cameron thought for the day for the UAE, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan's other Patrons and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as well :

An honest brotherly client state is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought

Kuwaiti Press joins in castigating the Islamic Republic of Pakistan :

Kuwait daily launches scathing attack on Pakistan

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 Apr 2015 21:30

CRamS wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:General Assad Durrani -- utter scum. I don't know if this video will be viewable everywhere. This is Al Jazeera's Head-to-Head program.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mbg ... utube_news
A_GuptaJi, how old/new is that video? I found one latest one (if you intend to watch, I issue a puke alert) from Al Jazeera: viewtopic.php?p=1826995#p1826995

From a couple of days ago.

This is Al Jazeera's ad. for it:
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/hea ... 51504.html

Pakistan: Victim or exporter of terrorism? with General Asad Durrani will be broadcast on April 10, 2015, at 2000GMT and will be repeated on April 11 at 1200GMT; April 12 at 0100GMT; and April 13 at 0600GMT.

One might accept Durrani's "do whatever is necessary", "the ends justify the means", etc., but what is utterly lacking is any idea that what the ISI does, in the final count, is supposed to be for the benefit of the Pakistani people. Every now and then one has to weigh the cost of what one is doing.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 12 Apr 2015 22:16

arun wrote:..................Kuwaiti Press joins in castigating the Islamic Republic of Pakistan :

Kuwait daily launches scathing attack on Pakistan

Only thing worth betting on right now is how soon Bakistan will downhill ski from its downhill skiing on Yemen.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Apr 2015 22:54

Falijee wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:General Assad Durrani -- utter scum. I don't know if this video will be viewable everywhere. This is Al Jazeera's Head-to-Head program.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mbg ... utube_news
Wait for the political fallout, in light of the recent statement made by an UAE minister ( UAE warns Pakistan of 'heavy price for ambiguous stand ' on Yemen) ; no more Al Jazeera interviews for Ex ISI generals !

Black Knight moments at 45, stalemate with India is victory, survival is victory , Bakistan is not a normal country but place for Ummah's shit and Baki relish that shit as basic foundation o their DNA.

kish · Post by **kish** » 12 Apr 2015 23:52

Baikul wrote:
arun wrote:..................Kuwaiti Press joins in castigating the Islamic Republic of Pakistan :

Kuwait daily launches scathing attack on Pakistan
Only thing worth betting on right now is how soon Bakistan will downhill ski from its downhill skiing on Yemen.

Weeks ago social media was abuzz with pics of paki slaves(paki army) hobnobbing with their Arab masters. Where did they go? Did they comeback home?

This is classical negotiation tactics of pakis, they wanted to get maximum benefit out of this conflict. Probably they are preparing a "wish list" to participate in this conflict. Things like

1) Core cashmere issue
2) Limit Indian workers in GCC
3) Raising muslim issues in India, etc

would be paki demands, apart from hard cash. Pakis are pathetically predictable

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Apr 2015 00:26

First this:
Nisar hits out at UAE minister for threatening PakistanP

Bad cop?

But then this :
= Resolution on Yemen is Pakistan's internal matter: Saudi minister

Good cop?

INTERESTING TIMES AHEAD!!

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Apr 2015 05:14

Neutrality in war: Imran takes credit for parlaiment's verdict on Yemen

Immy takes credit!
Nawaz takes flak!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Apr 2015 05:35

Popcorn and beer time.

Maybe India can fish in troubled waters and get Dawood extradited from UAE.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 13 Apr 2015 07:30

SSridhar wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:General Assad Durrani -- utter scum.
Asad Durrani used to be introduced to Indian audience by Arnab Goswami in panel discussions as the most sensible ISI chief. I used to laugh out so loudly as to hurt my ribs. I am not sure if it is a sarcastic reference or a thoroughly misplaced notion.

Arnab G is an idiot. So we can work out the rest of the answers from that premise.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Apr 2015 08:31

KLNMurthy wrote:The other thing--combining a lofty indifference towards Pakistan with a focus on areas of India's world that are more readily solvable ("look East")--seems like a rather reckless sleight of hand to me. Look East is valid and valuable in its own right but equal-equal between that and rona-dhona about our inadequate capability to survive Pakistan is an error in my view.

Not lofty indifference, just a healthy sense of proportion. If there is anything to be really worried about it is China, and Pakistan mainly as an instrument of China. Then, in the longer term, I for one, don't want a China with a Cross planted in it as India's neighbor. A lot of the angst about Pakistan is about "the shrinking space for Hindus", well, the room for influence is there to the East; it would be a great shame to let that go by the wayside. Bangladesh is not yet completely lost as Pakistan is, etc.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Apr 2015 08:38

The things that intrigue me are the things that we do not hear in the media. Of course - like the question about the mighty oak that falls in the forest and nobody heard it fall - if something in Pakistan is NOT mentioned in the press the natural assumption is that it is not happening. The press, after all report what is happening ergo what they do not report is not happening.

With this disclaimer let me say a few things

1. No matter how much we complain and squirm about Christine Fair, and no matter how little the US state dept pays attention to her, her book, her research and her words are very clear in describing the fact that the Pakistan army continues to hoodwink the US and continues to nurture Islamic terrorist groups. Obviously this is denied in the Pakistan media and dissing Christine Fair and speaking of how inconsequential an entity she is does not help us in any way to understand what is happening inside Pakistan and not reported by the media. Just because Fair is a nobody in the US does not mean that she is lying. Too much effort is put in to show how insignificant Fair is in the pecking order. This is an American view known to Americans in America. That is irrelevant to Indians in so many ways. What is relevant to us is the fact that she has managed to get inside Pakistan and weasel out information that helps us know what the press does not report. We are being too clever by half in dismissing Fair - and I think people who dismiss Fair give the impression that her work should be dismissed along with her. This is fine for America. Not for Indians

2. In an interview the Afghan ambassador to somewhere (US?) stated in very clear terms that the Punjabi establishment of Pakistan considers the NorthWest Frontier, Waziristan and Baluchistan like the "servants quarters" of their main house (Punjab and Sindh) and are quite happy to see the servants quarters on fire as long as they don't feel the heat at home. The hidden text here is that American Hellfires and Cobra gunships could well be rewards for operation Zabab-e ZamZam which Pakistani forces are using with gay abandon within their own territory. What this means is that the Pakistani army is making enemies in NWFP and Baluchistan. Those people are all "Pakis" whom we all must hate, but they are an opportunity. We have no news, no contacts in the media or BRF but judging from the caterwauls of 1000 Indian consulates in Afghanistan there is definitely some contact with them. They are a resource.

3. A few months ago there was much news of internal refugees in Pakistan. Not a chirp about them now. Total shut down. That means the problem has been totally solved, cities rebuilt and lives restored to normal? Or what? Those people could be our allies and a fifth column. Maybe that is why there is a news blackout.

4. About 15 years ago Pakistan's population was 140 million. It is now nearing 200 million. I used to complain that I could not see those millions anywhere in the media until, as if by magic, there was a flood in Pakistan and a few thousand of those people appeared in the media for the world to see. They are invisible again. No one talks about them. Not a single report from Pakistan has suggested that the number of schools and hospitals being built has kept up with the increasing numbers of people. But they are there. What are they up to?

So what do we see in the news?
1. Karachi stock exchange doing well
2. Pakistan parliament refuses request to send troops to Yemen
3. Pakistan economy back on track
4. Pakistan criticizes Indian policy and extends support to Kashmiris
5. Pakistan rescues 11 Indian from Yemen
6. A wealthy Pakistani complains how gun toting guards of a politician pushed hm off the road (Oh how normal and how much like India Pakistan is no?)
7. Pakistanis (Oh such a vibrant democracy!) push out a politician from a plane when it was delayed waiting for him (Oh how normal and how much like India Pakistan is no?)
8. Billions of dollars flowing into Pakistan as the Chinese will build a port, thermal power plants and a pipeline from Iran.
9. Pakistan to reconsider MFN for India
10. Zaki ur Rehman Lakhvi released by a Pakistan whose honourable courts could hold him no longer based on rumours without any evidence from India. That is how a good justice system must work after all.

All news from Pakistan suggests normality, liberalism and reasonableness. And when they complain about India the same normalcy and reasonableness makes that complaint so much more forceful. We on BRF faithfully pick up what is in the Pakistani media and gradually we have a picture of Pakistan that does not ask about what they are hiding, but we animatedly discuss what they reveal. They reveal what they want to reveal and our discussions about what they reveal is exactly what they want. We help to spread their news by carrying links to their articles to tens of thousands of pairs of eyeballs. We too are tools of the Pakistani media and ultimately what the Pakistani establishment wants the world to see about Pakistan.

There are some benefits to ignoring everything about Pakistan other than terrorism and murder and not posting every damn propaganda article that is put out knowing that Indian suckers will spread that around.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 13 Apr 2015 09:08

This is known as state controlled media management. These countries employ this and also have agreement with global media corp to make sure no negative news are reported.
China has a global PR machine which controls the China focused news world wide. Their media lobby works with major countries and global media corp to ensure only positive news about PRC is reported.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 13 Apr 2015 09:40

Asad Durrani is a poseur, a vain, preening and smirking individual do middling intelligence who was just doing what's in his character, right down to the spectacles which someone probably told him to get just for this event. A silly old man. It's actually a sad sight to see.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Apr 2015 09:45

svinayak wrote:This is known as state controlled media management. These countries employ this and also have agreement with global media corp to make sure no negative news are reported.

Of course. And guess what we do on BRF? We promote and push those very reports, completely ignoring things that we know are happening in the background and scoring self goals by diminishing the work of Ms Fair which is a huge tool that we should be using to educate Indians rather than being hoity toity about Fair's uselessness in America. The more C Fair is diminished the more we are in step with the Pakistan army. It is well know that the US is in step with the Paki army. But BRF? Where do we stand?

In defence of us BRFites in general I would say that we are the same as the general public. We believe all reports that appear in the media as the truth. But beyond that when we push and promote those reports or express negative opinions on people who may be useful idiots for us - we are scoring self goal after self goal. Over 15 years the Paki media have turned the tables round on public internet media and changed them from path breaking agents to sheep who help push the establishment line.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Apr 2015 10:31

Nisar hits back at UAE minister - DT

Interior Minister Nisar Ali Khan said on Sunday the statement by United Arab Emirates (UAE) minister in which he warned Pakistan of “grave consequences” over its stance on the Yemen conflict is a disrespect to Pakistan and its people.

The interior minister, according to a statement issued to media, reaffirmed that Pakistanis have brotherly relationships with the people of United Arab Emirates (UEA) and Saudi Arabia and will stand by with Arabs against any serious threat. He said it was mater of deep concerning that Emirates minister statement is threatening to Pakistan. Nisar said the statement of UAE minister was insult of Pakistan Parliament and its people adding that this statement was like attack of our self-respect.

The statement by Arab minister is against the diplomatic ethics and should have been avoided, he added. The minister said that Pakistan wants unity among Muslim Umah and would not be part of any conflicts between two Muslim states {Oh, what a moral high pedestal}. He said UAE minster statement is not only disappointed but discouraged as well. He said that Pakistani forces are engaged with internal militant n terror groups which were threaten to Pakistan existence. Nisar said Pakistan, in past,had helped Arab countries in their difficult times and would stand again with brotherly countries in future too.

Separately, Nisar strongly criticised the hanging of leaders of Bangladeshi Jamaat-e-Islami by the Awami League led government. Giving his reaction over the execution of Mohammad Kamaruzzaman, prominent Muslim leader and senior Assistant Secretary General of Jamaat-e-Islami, following the so-called tribunal’s verdict, Chaudhry Nisar said what ever the position of the government and Pakistan and the foreign office was but whatever is happening in Bangladesh has perturbed every Pakistani as these executions are crime against humanity. He said these patriotic people showed their loyalty to the then government in 1970 but were being hanged now. He asked the champions of human rights to take notice of happenings in Bangladesh. agencies

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Apr 2015 10:33

Resolution internal matter of Pakistan: Saudi minister - DT

Saudi Arabia Minister for Religious Affairs Sheikh Saleh bin Abdul Aziz on Sunday said the Pakistan parliament’s resolution on Yemen was the country’s internal matter. But the Saudi minister did go on to say that his country expects better from Pakistan. Abdul Aziz, along with a five-member delegation, arrived in Pakistan on Sunday to discuss the situation in Yemen and to further ties between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Abdul Aziz said Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are brotherly countries who have come out to help each other in the past. He said the relationship between the two countries will remain strong and keep going forward.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Apr 2015 10:34

Arab Parliament ‘disappointed’ with resolution - DT

CAIRO/DUBAI: Ahmad Bin Mohammad Al Jarwan, Chairman of the Arab Parliament in the Arab League, has said he is ‘disappointed’ with Pakistani parliament’s decision to remain neutral in the Yemen conflict. His comments came a day after the Pakistani Parliament decided not to participate in Operation Decisive Storm in a move that drew sharp criticism from the UAE. Al Jarwan described the Pakistani decision as ‘inconsistent’ with Arab and Islamic stances. On Friday, the UAE Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Dr Anwar Mohammad Gargash has said on Twitter that the Pakistani parliament’s rejection of intervention in Yemen is “unexpected from Islamabad”. “The Pakistani parliament’s decision that stipulates “neutrality in the Yemeni conflict” is contradictory and unexpected from Islamabad.”

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Apr 2015 10:44

Pakistani Gangs in Norway - DT

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Apr 2015 10:49

Pro-Saudi clerics say they will go protect Harmain Sharifain if army won’t - Dawn

Maulana Ludhianvi said some elements were stirring up the Shia-Sunni schism to divert the attention of the Pakistanis away from Saudi Arabia.— AFP/file

ISLAMABAD: Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ) chief Maulana Muhammad Ahmad Ludhianvi has decried the resolution passed by the parliament on Yemen as “against the will of the people” and “a waste of time”.

“We have to give unconditional support to Saudi Arabia to save the honour of Ummul Momineen Hazrat Ayesha Siddiqa. We will not allow anyone to disrespect the Haramain Sharifain,” he declared at a rally staged by ASWJ outside the National Press Club on Sunday.

Maulana Ludhianvi, who had been leading the pro-Saudi rallies in the federal capital over the last week, announced that more such public meetings would be held in Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore before an all-party conference is called to finalise plans “save the Harmain Sharifain”.

“If our government does not take the decision, we will go to Saudi Arabia, just like Ameer Ansar Ul Ummah Fazal-ur-Rehman Khalil went to Afghanistan,” {AoA} he said.

Maulana Ludhianvi said some elements were stirring up the Shia-Sunni schism to divert the attention of the Pakistanis away from Saudi Arabia.

However, when the participants of the ASWJ rally started chanting slogans against the parliamentarians, he stopped them. He said he will soon be rejoining the parliament so they should not criticise the lawmakers.

In his address to the rally, Maulana Fazal ur Rehman Khalil said Saudi Arabia has always supported Pakistan and now it is time Pakistan supported Saudi Arabia.

There is no difference between protecting “the Haramain or the Sheikhain” but there is a clash between ideologies, he said.

“Moreover, the war is not between two countries but it is a war against rebels,” he said.

“Those who want ceasefire in Yemen favour operations against Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan,” he added.

Leader of Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) Maulana Abdul Rauf Farooqi said the whole nation is willing to defend Haramain Sharifain and that the defence line extended from the Saudi border to Haramain.

“We reject the resolution of Parliament as it cannot decide whether troops should be sent to Saudi Arabia. It is now the army’s decision to make,” he said.

Maulana Farooqi asked the army to dispatch troops “unconditionally and without further delay”. He also demanded for the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation to be activated.

Another religious leader, Maulana Ashraf Ali, felt disappointed at the statements of political parties regarding Baitullah (holy Kaaba). “Our army and all our resources should be devoted to the Haramain Sharifain,” he said.

Pir Saifullah Khalid observed that although Allah has taken the responsibility to protect the Baitullah, “we have to prove how devoted we are to His house”.

Participants of the ASWJ rally gathered at Lal Masjid and marched to the National Press Club chanting slogans. Strict security measures were taken by the police and roads leading to the Press Club were closed to traffic.