Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 Sep 2009 14:04

Hakimullah Mehsud killed, claim Pak security forces

Newly appointed Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) chief Hakimullah Mehsud has already been killed and it was his look-alike brother who gave an interview to the BCC some days ago, Pakistani security forces said. {yeah the same brother who was lost in kumbhmela}

According to a private television channel, Hakimullah’s look-alike brother was specially summoned from Afghanistan to Pakistan, while the decision to appoint their new chief was being taken by the Taliban after Baitullah Mehsud’s death in a US drone attack last month.

Security forces said Taliban had declared Hakimullah as their chief only to misguide the military and give a wrong impression its leadership was still alive.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 Sep 2009 14:07

Royal protocol for Musharraf in Saudi Arabia

ISLAMABAD: The almost royal treatment given by the Saudi government to former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf during his visit to Riyadh has thrown his opponents into total confusion. Reports that King Abdullah sent a special plane to bring the retied general from London to Riyadh have surprised a number of politicians many of whom had received Saudi favours and courtesy.

The reports have sparked speculations that the Saudi ruling family is taking keen interest to defuse tension in Pakistan and try to use its influence to persuade PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif to give up his demand for Gen (retd) Musharraf’s trial for high treason.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 Sep 2009 14:09

Over 100 militants lay down arms in Swat

MINGORA: One hundred and five militants, a number of local Taliban commanders among them, laid down arms and surrendered while 15 militants were killed in clashes with security forces in Swat on Tuesday.

Officials said that the militants were from Shah Dheri, Kabal, Aligrama, Koza Bandai, Bar Bandai, Sarsenai, Asharay, Kanu, and adjoining areas of Kabal tehsil. They were presented before media at the FC camp in Kanju.

Talking to reporters, Operation commander Brig Salman Akber claimed that the operation was nearing its end and the surrender of 105 militants on one day was an example of the success of the operation.

rohiths · Post by **rohiths** » 02 Sep 2009 14:39

Dilbu wrote:Over 100 militants lay down arms in Swat
MINGORA: One hundred and five militants, a number of local Taliban commanders among them, laid down arms and surrendered while 15 militants were killed in clashes with security forces in Swat on Tuesday.

Officials said that the militants were from Shah Dheri, Kabal, Aligrama, Koza Bandai, Bar Bandai, Sarsenai, Asharay, Kanu, and adjoining areas of Kabal tehsil. They were presented before media at the FC camp in Kanju.

Talking to reporters, Operation commander Brig Salman Akber claimed that the operation was nearing its end and the surrender of 105 militants on one day was an example of the success of the operation.

Bhat is happening?

bakis winning against taliban, bakis developing more nukes, bakis modifying US mizziles,
yindoo TN bomb is a dud..
Too much bad news to take in a week

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 02 Sep 2009 15:16

Dilbu wrote:Hakimullah Mehsud killed, claim Pak security forces
Newly appointed Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) chief Hakimullah Mehsud has already been killed and it was his look-alike brother who gave an interview to the BCC some days ago, Pakistani security forces said. {yeah the same brother who was lost in kumbhmela}

According to a private television channel, Hakimullah’s look-alike brother was specially summoned from Afghanistan to Pakistan, while the decision to appoint their new chief was being taken by the Taliban after Baitullah Mehsud’s death in a US drone attack last month.

Security forces said Taliban had declared Hakimullah as their chief only to misguide the military and give a wrong impression its leadership was still alive.

Dilbu,
funny we think on the same lines. Something I posted on 23rd August, 2009.

RajeshA wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Rehman Malik on Hakimullah

Malik said whoever heads the TTP will be considered a terrorist.

Malik said that this person claiming to be Hakeemullah will soon be exposed as his twin brother is present in Afghanistan and has been issuing statements from there.

Malik maintained that the government has obtained the DNA of Hakeemullah and will speak about it after verifying it.
Did Hakimullah and 'his twin brother' lose each other in Kumbhmela?

Rehman Malik has seen old Hindi films once too often!

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 02 Sep 2009 15:16

Pakistani minister wounded in gun attack - police

Source: Reuters

ISLAMABAD, Sept 2 (Reuters) - Unidentified gunmen shot and wounded Pakistan's religious affairs minister, Hamid Saeed Kazmi, in an attack in the capital Islamabad on Wednesday in which one other man may have been killed, police said.

"Gunmen sprayed bullets on the minister's car," said a police officer who identified himself as Qasim. He said there had been reports that one man had been killed but the minister was in stable condition.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SP326146.htm

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Sep 2009 15:42

Dilbu wrote:Royal protocol for Musharraf in Saudi Arabia
ISLAMABAD: The almost royal treatment given by the Saudi government to former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf during his visit to Riyadh has thrown his opponents into total confusion.

Why is KSA doing this ? There are several reasons, perhaps.

Of course KSA & TSP have a nuclear agreement by which TSP's nukes will be available to KSA if there is a threat. With the Iran nuke issue not yet resolved, KSA cannot allow instability in TSP.
KSA wants to assure the PA that it stands by it. KSA needs PA's support not only in the nukes programme, but also in maintaining the Chinese CSS missiles in Rub-al-Khali and for protecting Al Yamamah.
Of late, KSA is angry with TSP and has shown it in several ways, by refusing to extend a line of credit for delayed payments for oil, by not giving cash to a strapped TSP in the FoP forum, by appointing a low-level diplomat as its representative in Islamabad etc. The reception given to Musharraf is a warning to politicians, both ruling & opposition
KSA could also be acting at the behest of Washington whose tight buddy Musharraf had been for a long time and it may not like to see any harm come his way.
Gen. Beg has 'revealed' many how KSA funded the IJI against Ms. BB. Brig Imtiaz 'revealed' some others. There is a threat of more skeletons tumbling out, hanging about in the air. AQ Khan, for his part, is threatening to reveal his secrets if restrictions are not removed around him. KSA may feel nervous now because of these developments. It might want to put the lid back.

But, what a banana country this Pakistan is. It GUBOs to US, China and KSA and has no option to refuse. Must be painful. But, there is perverse pleasure in Pakistan. Mushahid 'Mandela' Husain says proudly that a phone call from Ar Riyadh would stop all this talk of trying Musharraf in a court of Law. Then, royal sources in Ar Riyadh say a 'clear message' has been given to warring factions in TSP. Firmans come thick and fast from the Royal Family of KSA, Viceroy Holbrooke, Beijing. Amidst all this, TSP never loses its focus, which is Destruction of India. Or, is it that focus which is the cause for all these firmans and consequential GUBOs ? It is all getting blurred in the Land of the Purest.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 02 Sep 2009 16:15

SSridhar wrote:
Dilbu wrote:Royal protocol for Musharraf in Saudi Arabia

ISLAMABAD: The almost royal treatment given by the Saudi government to former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf during his visit to Riyadh has thrown his opponents into total confusion.

Why is KSA doing this ? There are several reasons, perhaps.
Of course KSA & TSP have a nuclear agreement by which TSP's nukes will be available to KSA if there is a threat. With the Iran nuke issue not yet resolved, KSA cannot allow instability in TSP.
KSA wants to assure the PA that it stands by it. KSA needs PA's support not only in the nukes programme, but also in maintaining the Chinese CSS missiles in Rub-al-Khali and for protecting Al Yamamah.
Of late, KSA is angry with TSP and has shown it in several ways, by refusing to extend a line of credit for delayed payments for oil, by not giving cash to a strapped TSP in the FoP forum, by appointing a low-level diplomat as its representative in Islamabad etc. The reception given to Musharraf is a warning to politicians, both ruling & opposition
KSA could also be acting at the behest of Washington whose tight buddy Musharraf had been for a long time and it may not like to see any harm come his way.

But, what a banana country this Pakistan is. It GUBOs to US, China and KSA and has no option to refuse. Must be painful. But, there is perverse pleasure in Pakistan. Mushahid 'Mandela' Husain says proudly that a phone call from Ar Riyadh would stop all this talk of trying Musharraf in a court of Law. Then, royal sources in Ar Riyadh say a 'clear message' has been given to warring factions in TSP. Firmans come thick and fast from the Royal Family of KSA, Viceroy Holbrooke, Beijing. Amidst all this, TSP never loses its focus, which is Destruction of India. Or, is it that focus which is the cause for all these firmans and consequential GUBOs ? It is all getting blurred in the Land of the Purest.

SSridhar garu,
It is a very crucial point you make here, a matter somehow one sometimes does not tend to pay much attention to.

In some ways, TSP's nukes acts as a guarantee for the House of Saud from Iranian threat. In many ways, TSP has made up for its scientific, economic, social, political bankruptcy through a very astute foreign policy, where it has shown itself to be of utmost significance to the national interests of three of the most influential powers in the world - Americans, Chinese and Saudis. Funny that from this metric, India may play quite a significant role in terms of civilizational upliftment of the world, but very little in terms of strategic interests of other powers. Can we say, that India is vital to the national interests of any other power of the world? Should India disappear tomorrow from the world map, would any world power regret us or feel that its strategic interests have been severely hurt? This is NOT a whine, merely a musing.

I would like to know your assessment (and of others), how does Pakistan's instability, or even a break up, affects the security equation between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 02 Sep 2009 16:52

manish wrote:US gets what it pays for. The 'Cash for Clunkers' deal is working nicely - for Pakistan.

Now I don't know if Ms Cohen is a real Amirkhani or not, but lets hope more of their populace starts seeing this for what it is.

Real American populace is more concerned about their bread-butter and cheap oil, than who blows whom in some alien(non-white) part of the world.

American intervention in Kashmir started with foundation of Hurriyat conference by American ambassador and since then naive Indians haven't learnt a lesson.

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 02 Sep 2009 17:11

RajeshA wrote: In some ways, TSP's nukes acts as a guarantee for the House of Saud from Iranian threat. In many ways, TSP has made up for its scientific, economic, social, political bankruptcy through a very astute foreign policy, where it has shown itself to be of utmost significance to the national interests of three of the most influential powers in the world - Americans, Chinese and Saudis. Funny that from this metric, India may play quite a significant role in terms of civilizational upliftment of the world, but very little in terms of strategic interests of other powers.

You said it in the last line. Poodle plays for others. Powerful plays by itself and makes others poodles. India was playing by itself in Indira Gandhi era. Now, its playing a poodle by toeing anti-IRan line of West. Same weakness is pervasive in other issues. Nuclear deal was a "backsheesh"(pat on back) from master.

RajeshA wrote:Can we say, that India is vital to the national interests of any other power of the world?

By keeping itself limited within Indian borders, sure, India is just making sure that it is not against interests of ANY power in the world. While real powers are busy improving political and military grounds around India.

RajeshA wrote:Should India disappear tomorrow from the world map, would any world power regret us or feel that its strategic interests have been severely hurt? This is NOT a whine, merely a musing.

There are no "sentiments" in geopolitics. There are groups(races) and their fights for future/rule on world. Right now there are clearly three groups fighting for the max - Russians(anti-paul Christians), Western(Pro-Paul Christians) and Chinese(Communists).

Pro-Paul Christians doesn't feel sorry for killing colleagues in war. They are most lethal and brutal of all.

Best way to go forward is, dump MRCA and invest in local R&D with help from Indian private industries and Russian design houses. Russia is backing off because there is not enough political will from Indian side(weak minded mickey-mouse lover politicians)to go against powerful West.

Instead of making stupid goals like "we need 125 fighters by 2015", Indian Airforce should make more pragmatic and sensible goals like "we need 125 home-made fighters by 2025", which sets the foundation for Military Industrial Complex which is free of Western money influence.

China wouldn't be a power if its military-industry complex was running on western money. Indian politicians are fools.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 02 Sep 2009 17:31

China wouldn't be a power if its military-industry complex was running on western money. Indian politicians are fools.

The mute question is whether they are fools or whether they have had thier interest taken care of and hence choose to act against the interests of the country. One S.Jon thought that her interests were taken care for her 2002 work but has been sold by the river in 2009 by the powers that be. The elite in India must shown that they have been sold by the river before they act in national interest

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 02 Sep 2009 17:35

vishwakarma ji,

what you say is true, with Pakistan playing poodle for the mighty, but there is another aspect - the lock in.

Americans are locked in with the Saudis because of their Oil addiction. Saudis are locked in with Americans for America's market and protection of House of Saud from internal dissention, as well as Shia intentions.

China is locked in with America, because America provides them with a market. America is locked in with China, because China holds 772 billion dollars of American debt (May 2009).

Pakistan is locked in with all the above countries. Pakistan provides China with a proxy against its adversary India, as well as a possible route to the Arabian Sea. Pakistan provides Saudi Arabia with a Sunni military depth and nuclear weapons. Pakistan provides America with a lever in the Muslim world, military services and a strategic location. The others provide Pakistan with money, oil, political support, weapons, stability.

India still lacks this strategic lock in with other powers. It would happen with time, but even today India seems not to be of strategic significance to others. As a power in our right we are too hesitant and introvert to provide others, big powers or small countries with any level of protection, strategic weight, and for a proxy we are too strong and independent, which may change with our proximity to America, but one hopes not.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 Sep 2009 18:56

RajeshA wrote:Dilbu,
funny we think on the same lines. Something I posted on 23rd August, 2009.

I was talking about your earlier post onlee saar.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 02 Sep 2009 19:31

rohiths wrote:
Bhat is happening?
bakis winning against taliban, bakis developing more nukes, bakis modifying US mizziles,
yindoo TN bomb is a dud..
Too much bad news to take in a week

Pretty soon Pakis will reach a level where they can even offensively threaten India to take Srinagar through overt force. India of course will share dossiers with Somalia to put pressure on Pakis

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Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 Sep 2009 20:19

Saudi Arabia has no concept of democracy: Zafar Ali Shah

ISLAMABAD: Leader of Pakistan Muslim League (N) Syed Zafar Ali Shah advocate said on Wednesday that Saudi Arabia has no knowledge of democracy and no one should intervene in the domestic affairs of Pakistan.

Talking to media outside of the Supreme Court Zafar Ali Shah said that there are deep friendly relations between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and we respect these relations however they do not know much about democratic practises.

'Each country has its own democratic system and we never criticized the monarchy system in Arab countries,' {Fine display of downhill skiing skills in the end} he said.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 Sep 2009 20:29

Pak going beyond degree of deterrence: Army chief

Army chief General Deepak Kapoor on Wednesday said that Pakistan was now going well beyond an acceptable level of deterrence in expanding its nuclear arsenal.

"Pakistan is going well beyond the degree of deterrence... it's definitely a matter of concern," said Gen Kapoor while on a visit to the artificial limb centre in Pune.

The General's remarks come amidst reports that Pakistan had increased the number of nuclear warheads it possessed and was working to induct cruise missiles into its arsenal.

archan · Post by **archan** » 02 Sep 2009 20:37

CRamS wrote:
rohiths wrote:
Bhat is happening?
bakis winning against taliban, bakis developing more nukes, bakis modifying US mizziles,
yindoo TN bomb is a dud..
Too much bad news to take in a week
Pretty soon Pakis will reach a level where they can even offensively threaten India to take Srinagar through overt force. India of course will share dossiers with Somalia to put pressure on Pakis .

Yup, and then many of us will be queuing in front of the Paki consulate hoping to get paki citizenship. The paki counselors will treat us like we deserve to be treated.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Sep 2009 21:07

The KSA move is to protect Mushy from getting extradiated to Islamabad from London. UK is duty bound to extradiate him is TSP presses.
No wonder the PML(N) spokesman fulminated about KSA and democracy.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Sep 2009 21:16

Whew! Finally some good news (for TSP) from India's foreign policy establishment.

Turns out our Hon. PM ji now plans to go to Trinidad to attend a meeting of an irrelevant international organization—the Commonwealth—and intends to meet the Pakistani leader at the sidelines.

How exciting!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Sep 2009 23:45

New US Base in Gharo, Sindh?

( How far from Indian border)
PKKH has learnt from informed sources within the Pakistan Navy that certain high-ranking individuals within the Naval forces are involved in secret construction of operational facilities in Gharo, Sindh, which are intended to serve as a base for around 200 US marines.

Unconfirmed reports suggest that a high ranking official of the Special Service Group Navy (SSGN), which is the commando division of the Pakistan Navy, is involved in the construction of a large complex in GHARO, Sindh, which is described to be purpose built to serve as a base for an army unit – comprising of halls, residential units, and storage facilities.
http://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.c ... aro-sindh/

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 03 Sep 2009 01:36

Money continues to talk loudly in porkistan.

Uncle AQ is back home again!

' Curbs on AQ back after US warning ’

WASHINGTON: The Pakistani government has again isolated its nuclear brigand-cum-national hero A Q Khan after the US came down heavily on efforts to free him, saying he continues to be a serious proliferation risk.

A Lahore court on Wednesday reversed an earlier court decision to free him from the "security protocol" - a euphemism for house arrest - following a government appeal which essentially said it was for his own good. The move also follows fears that western agencies might kidnap Khan to get to the bottom of the decades-long nuclear proliferation ring he oversaw, ostensibly, as he has suggested, at the bidding and with the knowledge of successive Pakistani governments.

Khan had earlier been declared a "free citizen" by another judge after he appealed to the courts following an incident where he was not allowed to attend his grand-daughter's graduation ceremony. Security agencies continued to hem in Khan at his house even after the court order, at which point the disgruntled nuclear scientist had threatened to squeal about Pakistan's nuclear secrets, forcing the government to back off.

But the hold of the US on a country that has basically parcelled out its sovereignty to various stake holders, including China and Saudi Arabia, was evident within days. Barely 24 hours after Washington warned that Khan continued to pose a proliferation risk and freeing him was not a good idea, the Pakistani government filed an appeal in a different court, which reversed the earlier order and allowed Islamabad to resume restrictions on him.

"Our concerns over the potential for proliferation activities by Mr Khan are well known to the Pakistani government. We believe that he remains a proliferation risk", state department spokesman Ian Kelly had said.

Pakistan is in line to receive a $7.5 billion five-year aid package - after the Congress clears it later this month - in addition to nearly $6 billion that the so-called Friends of Democratic Pakistan is lining up.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 03 Sep 2009 01:42

Hari Seldon wrote:Whew! Finally some good news (for TSP) from India's foreign policy establishment.

Turns out our Hon. PM ji now plans to go to Trinidad to attend a meeting of an irrelevant international organization—the Commonwealth—and intends to meet the Pakistani leader at the sidelines.

How exciting!

Send him in the straight jacket version of the band gala so that the venerable gent is unable to sign any more of his famous joint statements.

MMS seems to be hell bent on squandering all his political capital on non entity organisations and continues meeting the porkies like a smitten schoolboy.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Sep 2009 02:04

ramana wrote:The KSA move is to protect Mushy from getting extradiated to Islamabad from London. UK is duty bound to extradiate him is TSP presses.
No wonder the PML(N) spokesman fulminated about KSA and democracy.

A post from a month ago: http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 90#p709890

Satya_anveshi wrote:some have speculated this to be the end-state of Musharraf. He will NOT visit Pakistan nor US/UK will provide him santuary in the long term. Only KSA can/will do it.

In a way it is good for psyops perspective.

Saudi Arabia will consider political asylum if requested by Musharraf: envoy

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 Sep 2009 03:32

Deputy Chief of Intelligence Is Slain in Afghanistan

The second-ranking intelligence official in Afghanistan and a prominent ally of President Hamid Karzai was assassinated by a suicide bomber on Wednesday morning...Dr. Abdullah Laghmani, was the deputy director of the National Directorate for Security.

An ethnic Pashtun, he was a particularly knowledgeable foe of the Taliban movement and its mentors in Pakistan. He and his agents helped connect the bombers who attacked the Indian Embassy in Kabul in July 2008 to the Pakistani intelligence service, tracing a cellphone found in the wreckage to a facilitator in Kabul who was in direct telephone contact with a Pakistani intelligence official in Peshawar.

Pakistani officials repeatedly accused him of undermining their national security. Once, the Pakistani government asked that he removed from his position and handed over to face charges in Pakistan. Mr. Karzai declined the request.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Sep 2009 03:43

Again another proof of TSP is the beneficiary of any terrorist strike in Af-Pak.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 03 Sep 2009 04:51

Targeting Pakistan and silencing the critics ---- Shireen Mazari

Had the NYT bothered to do some basic research they would have realised that Pakistan has no need to modify the old Harpoon missiles when they already have far better land-based missile systems already battle-tested and in their arsenal. As it is, the Harpoon does not have the range that would be required to hit land-based targets.

Interestingly, in relation to the Pakistan Navy and the Harpoon issue, there are also unconfirmed (but reliable) reports that the Special Services Group Navy (SSGN) is constructing operational facilities in Gharo, Sindh (close to the Indus delta, south of Thatta) which are purpose-built to serve as a base for an army unit – comprising halls, residential units and storage facilities. Some years back the Navy had decided to shift the SSGN headquarter (PNS Iqbal) from the dockyard to a coastal area, but Gharo was not the likely site at the time. Because there has been a sudden increase in assistance to the SSGN from the US, questions are being raised whether this shifting of the SSGN to Gharo is actually a ruse to allow US Marine 'trainers' to arrive there in large numbers on the pretext of training SSGN commandos in newly-acquired weapons and tactics? So, the old carrot and stick approach – assistance and then the ridiculous Harpoon story – continues to be at work. What is disturbing here is that perhaps this whole Gharo "deal" is being done at a micro-tactical level with the overall military high command not totally in the know. Certainly it merits a closer examination by the military leadership and more transparency.

This writer has had the honour of being one of their targets especially since 2008 when stories regarding General Hood and the 11 conditions relating to unfettered access in Pakistan for US personnel with no legal restraints surfaced in the media. But even earlier, when Riaz Khokhar was Foreign Secretary, the US embassy had sought to have me either silenced or removed from the Institute of Strategic Studies -- or else the embassy would assume that I was reflecting (heavens forbid) the official views of the government of Pakistan. That is why some readers may recall for a while at the bottom of my column there was a one-liner stating that the views expressed were my own. Full credit to Mr Khokhar for standing his ground, but I knew it was simply a matter of time when I would be liberated from all official strangleholds.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 03 Sep 2009 04:56

Sweaty armpits ---- Fasi Zaka

Pakistan can reverse its downward spiral if only we have sweaty ministers. Whenever they come on TV they should have darkened wet patches on their expensive qameez-shalwars and be drenched in uncomfortable, unclean perspiration.

And first on this list needs to be Raja Parwez Ashraf, the minister for water and power. In Islamabad electricity only goes for an hour a day, if at all. While the industrial hubs are choked for electricity, this capital city remains free of the hassles of daily life. What compelling need exists for this pardon of load shedding for the people of Islamabad? Why are the peripheries robbed of power to ensure the capital doesn't sweat it out?

All over the country massive generators are being bought by those who can afford to distinguish themselves from the rest of us. Their only sacrifice is living with added noise. But there is also a larger trend at work, that of the gated community.

Huge private communities are being built by housing firms, walled off to the problems of the outside world. They have their own generators to power the developments, in some cases their own security providers. Our next batch of representatives will come from these places.

So not only will we have gated communities, but also gated thinking because they have divorced themselves from everyday Pakistan. To some extent that's always been the case, for most in Clifton. Lyari could very well be another country that they are less likely to visit than the USA, even though it's at their doorsteps.

Rehman Malik's ambitious plan to create a Green Zone for Islamabad, like the one in Iraq, is just an extension of the gated mindset, except here the issue is security, not electricity. In ensuring the safety of the people in this government they would rather close off areas for exclusive use than improving law and order in general. If they feel secure, it is very likely that they will erroneously presume everyone else is too. The compulsion for change evaporates.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 03 Sep 2009 04:58

Our American mess ---- Ahmed Quraishi
As usual

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 03 Sep 2009 05:07

Conspiracy theories

Sir: Over the years we have endured many conspiracy theories propounded by General Mirza Aslam Beg (retd). With the unfortunate passing away of Benazir Bhutto, it has become fashionable perhaps to use her name to float half-truths and lies. Gen Beg’s reference to Ms Bhutto’s authorisation to Pakistan Air Force to attack Indian nuclear installations falls in that category. As you rightly said in your editorial, Gen Beg ‘accepted’ Ms Bhutto under US intervention when a deal was worked out, that some of the ‘sensitive’ areas such as nuclear, Kashmir and Afghan policies would be out of bounds for her. Numerous sources have confirmed this, not the least of which is by Dennis Kux, who had served in diplomatic assignments in Pakistan and later retired as a South Asia specialist from the US State Department.
SUBRAMANYAM SRIDHARAN
India

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Sep 2009 06:28

whoopps - wrong thread..deleted

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Sep 2009 07:29

pgbhat wrote:Conspiracy theories
Sir: Over the years we have endured many conspiracy theories propounded by General Mirza Aslam Beg (retd). With the unfortunate passing away of Benazir Bhutto, it has become fashionable perhaps to use her name to float half-truths and lies. Gen Beg’s reference to Ms Bhutto’s authorisation to Pakistan Air Force to attack Indian nuclear installations falls in that category. As you rightly said in your editorial, Gen Beg ‘accepted’ Ms Bhutto under US intervention when a deal was worked out, that some of the ‘sensitive’ areas such as nuclear, Kashmir and Afghan policies would be out of bounds for her. Numerous sources have confirmed this, not the least of which is by Dennis Kux, who had served in diplomatic assignments in Pakistan and later retired as a South Asia specialist from the US State Department.
SUBRAMANYAM SRIDHARAN
India

Awesome job. Great !!!!

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Sep 2009 07:41

Audacious attack on minister in capital; driver killed

Mr Kazmi has been an outspoken critic of the Taliban. His name appeared on the hit list of extremist religious groups after he declared suicide bombings un-Islamic, along with other moderate Barelvi scholars.

After the assassination of prominent Islamic scholar Allama Sarfraz Naeem in Lahore earlier this year, intelligence agencies had upgraded Mr Kazmi’s security.

‘Attackers came from inside security zone’

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 03 Sep 2009 11:12

The recent soosai bomber who tried to assassinate the Saudi prince is showing evidence of his paki training.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090830/ap_ ... on_attempt
Proof here:

In one version of the events, Al-Arabiya, a Saudi-owned television network, said the attacker concealed the explosives in his anus, allowing him to evade detection.

I suspect he's been trained by Bulbuddin Ghusaomatyaar.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Sep 2009 11:18

Don't involve Saudi Arabia in our internal matters: Nawaz
Hmmm. . . when his life hung in balance, the Land of Sand and its ruler were needed to extricate him, give him asylum for 7 years, and then intervene with Musharraf to allow him to return.

The Saudi government should not be involved in Pakistan’s political affairs, said Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief on Wednesday as his party withdrew a 48-hour deadline it set for the ruling Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) to end a “malicious campaign”.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Sep 2009 11:25

ArmenT wrote:The recent soosai bomber who tried to assassinate the Saudi prince is showing evidence of his paki training.
In one version of the events, Al-Arabiya, a Saudi-owned television network, said the attacker concealed the explosives in his anus, allowing him to evade detection.

This is quite clever. The trigger was through a mobile phone.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Sep 2009 11:43

Najam Sethi's edit on the special relationship with KSA

Pakistan doesn’t notch up any credit points revealing to the world that its crucial political decisions are taken in/by Saudi Arabia. Yet this has happened once again . . . A special relationship has always existed between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan but more recently Saudi “intervention” has taken place to prevent Pakistani politics from breaking rational barriers and descending into violence. . . . The Saudis, who, more accurately, have a special relationship with the Pakistan Army, also know that it is still the most powerful entity in the country which wishes to remain out of the political melee. Therefore the message from the army, not absorbed inside Pakistan, may be about to be driven home in Saudi Arabia. . . . A lethal Ramazan War of internal chaos is in the offing unless Saudi Arabia comes to the rescue once again and breaks the clinch. We say this with no sense of pride. Pakistan’s lost external sovereignty is often bemoaned but because of the immaturity and lack of decorum of our politicians we are forced to be grateful that it doesn’t exist.

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 03 Sep 2009 13:41

Pakistan concerned over reports of new India nuke test: FO

The spokesman said there are reports that India has a new nuclear test in the works, adding these reports are rather embarrassing to Pakistan; Pakistan is however steadfast on its policy of maintaining minimum defence deterrence and does not want arms race in the region.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Sep 2009 20:12

tripathi wrote:Pakistan concerned over reports of new India nuke test: FO

The spokesman said there are reports that India has a new nuclear test in the works, adding these reports are rather embarrassing to Pakistan;

Why should it be embarrassing to Pakistan ? It has so many things to be embarrassed about. For example, It should be embarrassed by AQ Khan, US, China & KSA determining its domestic & foreign policies rather than itself, its Army usurping power every now and then, its Army tasting defeat in every outing with India but employing PAF, artillery and armour to conquer its own people and failing in that too, its Blasphemy Laws killing innocent Christians and Hindus, its dozens of jihadi terrorist outfits, its footprint in almost every international terrorist event in the last decade, its tag of a failed state etc etc.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 03 Sep 2009 21:39

"foreigners only" sign upsets Pakistanis

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 04 Sep 2009 01:19

Gilani's writing a new book: The Audacity of Grope