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Democrat candidate tells NBC’s Late Night host Seth Meyers that the billionaire was ‘shameful and wrong’ with his comments about Muslims
Hillary Clinton: Donald Trump has become dangerous
Lauren Gambino
Friday 11 December 2015 07.42 GMT
Hillary Clinton has condemned Donald Trump, calling him shameful, dangerous and declaring: “I no longer think he’s funny.”
Donald Trump strikes chord with GOP voters over Muslims, poll finds
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Clinton launched her attack on the billionaire Republican frontrunner during an appearance on NBC’s Late Night with Seth Meyers on Thursday, sparking loud applause from the audience.
In the aftermath of attacks by Islamic extremists in Paris and in San Bernardino, California, Trump has called for monitoring mosques and barring Muslims from entering the United States.
“I think for weeks, you know, you and everybody else were just bringing folks to hysterical laughter and all of that,” Clinton told the host. “But now he has gone way over the line. And what he’s saying now is not only shameful and wrong – it’s dangerous.”
Trump’s rhetoric was harming the nation’s ability to fight the rise of the Islamic State, feeding the group “propaganda” it could use to recruit, Clinton said.
“This latest demand that we not let Muslims into the country really plays right into the hands of the terrorists,” she said.
“I don’t say that lightly, but it does. He is giving them a great propaganda tool, a way to recruit more folks from Europe and the United States. And because it’s kind of crossed that line, I think everybody and especially other Republicans need to stand up and say ‘Enough, you’ve gone too far.’”
Clinton has previously denounced Trump’s proposal while trying to tie his bombastic views to those of the rest of the Republican party. “Some of his Republican rivals are saying that his latest comments have gone too far,” she said during a campaign stop in New Hampshire on Tuesday. “But the truth is many of them have said extreme things about Muslims. Their language may be more veiled than Trump’s but their ideas aren’t so different.”
Some Republicans have been swift to condemn Trump. His rival for the GOP nomination, Senator Lindsey Graham, told the Guardian that “Donald Trump today took xenophobia and religious bigotry to a new level”, while former vice-president Dick Cheney said in a radio interview that Trump’s plan “goes against everything we believe in”.
House Speaker Paul Ryan disavowed Trump’s proposal, saying: “This is not conservatism.”
Former Gulf associates abandon Donald Trump over anti-Muslim comments
Despite the backlash Trump’s divisive rhetoric seems to have struck a chord with Republican voters. More Republicans favor his proposal to ban all Muslims from entering the United States than oppose it, according to a poll from NBC News and the Wall Street Journal. In a New York Times CBS News poll released on Thursday the real estate mogul received support from 35% of Republican primary voters nationally.
The poll also found that seven in 10 likely Republican primary voters believed Trump was well-equipped to confront the threat of terrorism, with four in 10 “very confident” he could respond to the threat.
Friend to foe: Trump’s ugly descent into anti-Muslim rhetoric
After discussing Trump, Meyers moved the conversation with Clinton to gun control, pressing the Democratic frontrunner to explain why advocates had “failed to connect” with the oft-cited “vast majority of responsible gun owners” who say they would be supportive of certain reforms.
“I do think we all bear some responsibility for that,” she said, agreeing with the host that firearm safety measures would require the support of gun owners.
“I do think that we don’t have the right approach to it and we do need to reach out to more responsible gun owners and begin to try to say ‘Look, we can do more to prevent as many deaths as possible.’”
She dismissed the notion that the government would ever be in the business of trying to recapture the estimated 310m firearms in circulation – more than the nation’s population.
Meyers said: “There’s obviously so many guns in this country. We’re never getting those guns back.”
“No, no, right,” Clinton said. But she added that the National Rifle Association benefited from fueling this fear.
“If you are trying to keep people paying dues and supporting your organization, you want to keep them upset,” Clinton said of the NRA. “They want people to feel like, you know, the black helicopter is going to land in the backyard and your guns are going to be taken. Totally, unbelievably untrue, but it does create doubt and they just drive right through that.”
The appearance, her fourth on the late-night talk show circuit after stints on Jimmy Kimmel Live, the Late Show With Stephen Colbert and the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, also had lighter moments.
Meyers asked: “Having been a first lady, what qualities does your husband have that would be good for that job?”
Clinton broke into prolonged laughter. “He’s a great host,” she offered. He also liked to give tours and was “kind of vegan-ish”, which could be helpful when creating menus, she said.
And how would she keep the former president out of the situation room? Without missing a beat, Clinton responded that she might not want to keep him out, noting that past presidents had sought his assistance in the past.
The Obama administration, for example, sent Bill Clinton to North Korea to win the release of two American journalists.
She recounted the episode, describing her surprise when the nation’s then-leader Kim Jong-il said he would turn the journalists over to a “distinguished American” and requested her husband.
“We kept offering names of the distinguished Americans and none of them were acceptable and we couldn’t figure out: is this real or not?” she said.
“Eventually they said ‘No, we would really like President Clinton to come.’ And that was a little awkward. I was secretary of state.”
At the end of the interview Meyers asked Clinton to respond to a series of questions about the early voting state – and the host’s home state – of New Hampshire.
“Who won the 2008 New Hampshire Democratic primary?” Meyers asked.
Beaming, Clinton gave a jazz hands cheer. “Me!”
A group of U.S. sailors secretly filmed women on board a submarine while others acted as 'lookouts'.
The recordings took place over a ten-month period in the shower and changing rooms of the USS Wyoming, a Navy investigation found.
One sailor said he and a friend secretly recorded each female midshipman while she was in the shower changing room - filming every woman each time she took a shower during three months, reported USA Today.
The illicit recordings were made on two cellphones and a iPod Touch - gadgets that are banned on board that submarine because they have screens smaller than seven inches.
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Report: Sailor ring repeatedly filmed undressing women on sub
Web of betrayal
A ring of up to a dozen sailors secretly recorded and swapped videos of women officers and midshipmen undressing, some of whom were on submarine Wyoming for a brief duration. It took a sailor from another sub, the West Virginia, to report the videos to investigators. When confronted, many at first claimed they had no knowledge of the videos. Navy investigators detailed who filmed and passed the videos, six of which were found guilty at court-martial. Officials withheld the names of the three taken to nonjudicial punishment or were never charged, citing privacy concerns
Command investigation via Navy Times FOIA request
John Bretschneider
By Meghann Myers, Staff writer 1:39 p.m. EST December 10, 2015
Submarine crews are so tight-knit that they're considered a family — part of what made the revelations of illicit filming on the ballistic missile sub Wyoming so troubling.
The filming wasn't a one-off or a prank. It was a sophisticated and repeated invasion of privacy, where male Wyoming sailors acted as lookouts while a friend filmed female shipmates undressing with cell phones or an iPod Touch — both of which are banned aboard the sub.
One sailor admitted that he and a male peer rushed to secretly record each female midshipman while she was in the shower changing room. They filmed every woman each time she took a shower during the three-month patrol, he said — several times a day, according to a new report.
Peer pressure allowed this ring to persist for 10 months on the Wyoming, recording and sharing videos of dozens of women they served alongside every day. The new details into the case, which the top submarine commander called a "breach of trust," come in a new command investigation, obtained by Navy Times via the Freedom of Information Act.
The scandal has dismayed the sub force and some of the trailblazing officers who made history as the first women submariners. One officer, among the first to earn her dolphins in 2012, told Navy Times she couldn't believe her peers had been betrayed that way.
"The thing with the Wyoming is, to me that was such a shocking event," said Lt. Jennifer Carroll, who served aboard the ballistic missile sub Maine and was never recorded by the Wyoming ring. "It was completely 180-degrees out from what my experience was. I couldn't really even fathom that one of our guys [would] do that to me."
Sources: Few women choose to stay in submarine force
The report provides new details on how the ring allegedly filmed women with cellphones through a hole between spaces and then shared them without detection for months. Investigators with Naval Criminal Investigative Service and the Kings Bay, Georgia-based Submarine Squadron 20 interviewed more than 300 people and included statements from the 12 original suspects.
The interviews paint a picture of a few sailors eager to spy on off-limits young women and nearly a dozen who failed to report them for fear of breaching ties to their shipmates.
Of the 12 sailors who had known about the videos — filmed, distributed, watched or heard about them — eight were court-martialed (one was acquitted), three went to captain's mast, and one was released with no charges.
10th sailor disciplined in submarine shower video case
"The abhorrent behavior of this small number of personnel is not indicative of the superior sailors that comprise these crews and the submarine force," wrote Capt. William Houston, head of SUBRON 20, in his endorsement letter to the report.
Carroll, among the first women to join the sub force, said that she felt like a sister to her male shipmates on the Maine, and couldn't picture any of them betraying her trust.
"Most of the men in the submarine force reacted very, very strongly to that," she said. "I actually think that we got a stronger reaction in the submarine force than we would have in the other communities."
Filming begins
The filming had gone on for nearly a year, investigators would come to learn, with videos of up to four of the women assigned to the boat as well as midshipmen on cruise during two patrols with Wyoming, from August to November 2013 and March to June 2014. Three sailors filmed the women and distributed the short recordings; two admitted their guilt and one was implicated by another sailor.
The videos and images were recorded on two cellphones and one iPod Touch that were taken into outboard frame bays or unmanned spaces, according to the report, where "these areas provided the perpetrators a limited viewing area of the bathrooms/heads via piping penetration air gaps in the bulkheads."
The submarine force allows commanding officers to determine what types of devices are allowed on board, and when or where sailors can use them.
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Lawyer: Lax rules preceded submarine shower videos
The CO of the Wyoming Gold crew of about 160 sailors banned all devices with screens under 7 inches from secret spaces like control and engineering rooms. That move effectively prohibited all cell phones and iPods.
NCIS recovered seven videos of women assigned to Wyoming. Everything else had been deleted, including videos of female midshipmen on cruise with Wyoming.
Redacted lists of ship riders from the 2014 cruise, included in the investigation, show more than 130 names, but don't specify genders of the Naval Academy students.
The recording ring continued until November 2014, when rumors about the videos spread to another submarine. An electronics technician 3rd class from the ballistic missile submarine West Virginia in Kings Bay, told his chief of the boat he had heard about the lewd videos on Wyoming, based nearby. That prompted the investigation.
The report reads like a he-said, she-said of denials, implications and confessions, with some sailors coming clean and naming names while others at first refused to admit that they even knew about the videos. The questioning began on Nov. 14 with Electronics Technician 2nd Class Joseph Bradley, from the Blue crew..
"After a patrol last November, me and ET2 [redacted] were discussing fantasies of [name redacted]," he wrote. "And he mentioned to me of a possible video of her in the shower, so later that day after leaving work, he offered to give me the video."
He told investigators that the videos were taken by Gold crew's Missile Technician 2nd Class Charles Greaves.
He said he passed them onto a Gold crew ET2, though both the sailor who sent Bradley the videos and the one he sent them to were not implicated, according to statements and charge sheets.
The seven videos ranged in length from 10 seconds to two minutes, Bradley said, but he had since deleted them. He also denied encouraging anyone to take more videos, which other sailors had alleged.
MT2 Jonathan Ashby also met with an investigator on Nov. 14. He told the officer that the previous November, Greaves had "approached myself and informed me that he had 'captured some Pokemon.' "
That line came to characterize the whole case.
Prosecutor: Sailors traded videos like Pokemon trading cards
Greaves transferred the videos to Ashby after work, who said in his official statement that he didn't know what he was receiving at the time.
"I selected the first video, and once I had realized that it was a female officers in the shower, I immediately stopped the video and proceeded to delete them, telling him that I did not want them, and that he too should delete them," Ashby wrote.
He was too embarrassed to tell anyone else, he wrote, and kept it from his command for fear of punishment.
MT3 Samuel Buchner said he also received the videos during a post-deployment maintenance period , but claimed he didn't recognize any of the officers and deleted the videos.
"Upon knowing about who the videos were of, I kept silent," Buchner said, according to the report.
Breaking the silence
MT3 Brandon McGarity provided some insight about where the videos were filmed and dropped a bombshell: Wyoming women weren't the only ones filmed.
McGarity learned about the videos from MT2 Ryan Secrest, he said, whom he overheard talking about a "secret hole in the back of [missile control center]."
"Also during Patrol 52, during midshipmen ops, MT2 [redacted] and MT3 [redacted] would slide down the outboards of T/N 3 in [missile compartment upper level] to get on top of the san tank to observe the female midshipmen during their shower time."
Secrest and MT3 Cody Shoemaker were encouraged by two other MT2s, McGarity added.
"From my knowledge, I can say they observed all groups of midshipmen that came on board."
When asked to explain why he didn't report what was going on, McGarity got emotional.
"I was still somewhat new to the division and so I didn't want to say anything because the higher ranking MTs would always treat the lower ranks like trash and would always try to put them down," he wrote. "So I didn't want to worsen my life more than it already was, so I tried to ignore it and stay out of it for fear of being disowned by the division."
Secrest and Shoemaker were both convicted at court-martial of viewing and filming midshipmen.
Secrest gave a statement the following week, but he flatly denied any knowledge of the situation. Shoemaker also told investigators a different story, though they ultimately chose to believe McGarity.
When Shoemaker was interviewed on Nov. 19, he wrote that McGarity had shown him videos of the mids on his iPod touch. McGarity, however, swore that he had lent Shoemaker the iPod, that Shoemaker had taken the videos and that when McGarity had realized they were on his device, he deleted them.
The investigators also interviewed a culinary specialist seaman that day, who said he'd heard two petty officers talking about the "wine cellar" but never saw the viewing hole when he was cleaning the head. He was dropped as a suspect.
A week into the investigation, officials sat down with Greaves, who they came to regard as the ringleader. He refused to make a statement at the time, but once he had hired a defense attorney, he agreed to give as much information as he knew about the other sailors as part of an eventual plea deal at court-martial.
His attorney, however, accused the Navy of cherry-picking evidence to build its case, and ignoring information about several other sailors who knew about the videos, including two chiefs.
The investigation ruled that the 12th original suspect, an MT1, couldn't be charged because the only evidence against him was the statement of one other sailor.
Houston, the SUBRON 20 boss, recommended seven sailors for Article 32, one for nonjudicial punishment, a command transfer for the exonerated MT1 and that two other sailors' cases be forwarded to their new skippers at Trident Training Facility Kings Bay and the ballistic missile sub Michigan in Bangor, Washington.
In the end, 10 sailors faced punishment, ranging from dishonorable discharge and prison time to reduction in rank and pay forfeiture at captain's mast.
"This was a deliberate criminal activity taken by a handful of sailors and I find no indication that the leadership environment of either command was culpable in creating an environment that contributed to this insidious incident," Houston wrote.
Houston, however, ordered both Wyoming crews to carry out a command-climate survey and submarine-culture workshop in early 2015.
Submarine sailors are still grappling with the sense of betrayal as more details emerged during courts-martial in 2015. Some women feel reluctant to continue serving alongside crewmembers who might have seen the videos. But others are hopeful that, with the surveys and prosecutions, the sub force has turned a page.
"I really do think the submarine community is special; members of your crew become like family," Carroll said. "In my experience relationships with members of my crew were founded on trust and mutual respect. This event contradicted what I thought was a universal sense of camaraderie among submariners."
Now on shore duty, Carroll is a coordinator at Submarine Force Atlantic's women submarine's program. She's optimistic, she said, that the undersea force is on the right path as it works toward its next goal: integrating enlisted women.
The submarine family's next test will come in 2016, when enlisted women report to the guided-missile submarine Michigan.
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Samuel Osborne
People attend a vigil for shooting victims in San Bernardino. Getty Images
The top Google search in California in the week following the San Bernardino massacre with the word "Muslims" in it was "kill Muslims".
When anti-Muslim sentiment is at its highest, for example during the controversy over the "ground zero mosque" in 2010 or around the anniversary of 9/11, hate crimes tend to also be at their highest.
According to an analysis by the New York Times of weekly data from 2004 to 2013, there is a direct correlation between anti-Muslim searches and anti-Muslim hate crimes.
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While Google searches suffer from selection bias because they are not a random sample, the restriction may actualy help search data predict hate crimes.
They represent what people wonder about for long enough to ask a question and read the answers.
Susan Flake, a social psychologist at Princeton University, explained how the searches could predict future hate crimes.
"If someone is willing to say ‘I hate them’ or ‘they disgust me,'" she said, "we know that those emotions are as good a predictor of behavior as actual intent.
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"If people are making expressive searches about Muslims, it’s likely to be tied to anti-Muslim hate crime."
In Britain, a spike in religiously motivated hate crime followed the terror attacks in Paris, while a YouGov poll for The Times found public support for allowing refugees to settle in Britain had slumped.
Members of the public in Woodland, North Carolina, expressed their fear and mistrust at the proposal to allow Strata Solar Company to build a solar farm off Highway 258.
During the Woodland Town Council meeting, one local man, Bobby Mann, said solar farms would suck up all the energy from the sun and businesses would not go to Woodland, the Roanoke-Chowan News Herald reported.
Jane Mann, a retired science teacher, said she was concerned the panels would prevent plants in the area from photosynthesizing, stopping them from growing.
Ms Mann said she had seen areas near solar panels where plants are brown and dead because they did not get enough sunlight.
She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the area, saying no one could tell her solar panels didn't cause cancer.
The area around Woodland is a popular choice because it has an electrical substation allowing the panels to be hooked up to the national grid.
A spokesperson for Strata told the meeting: "There are no negative impacts. A solar farm is a wonderful use for a property like this."
They added: "The panels don't draw additional sunlight."
The council voted three to one against rezoning the land and later voted for a moratorium on future solar farms.
Speaking after the COP-21 summit on climate change in Paris pledged to limit global warming below the threshold of 2°c, Pope Francis said the plan will require "a concerted and generous commitment" from everyone.
Experts said a move towards renewable power, with investment in wind and solar energy, will be required to cut down on emissions.
Donald Trump rally: scuffles, threats and support for a candidate riding high
At a chaotic rally in Las Vegas, Trump celebrates an all-time high in a national poll – 41% – once again confounding the political establishment
Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump speaks at a rally at the Westgate hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada. Photograph: Robyn Beck/AFP/Getty Images
Paul Lewis and Sabrina Siddiqui in Las Vegas and Mona Chalabi in New York
Tuesday 15 December 2015
News of Donald Trump’s health was unveiled on Monday with the kind of hyperbole typically reserved for leaders of North Korea.
The Republican presidential frontrunner was, his longtime doctor declared in a statement signed and released by the campaign, in “extraordinary” and “astonishingly excellent” health.
White House responds to claim Donald Trump would be healthiest ever president
It was the kind of glowing statement typical of Trump’s campaign for the White House, which continues to confound the political establishment.
On the eve of the final Republican presidential TV debate of the year, and just one week after the billionaire celebrity inflamed the GOP race with his call to ban Muslims from entering the country, Trump has struck an all-time high in a national poll.
He is now on a remarkable 41% – almost three times the tally of his nearest rival, Ted Cruz, who is on 14%, according to the new survey.
Trump’s continued surge on the back of an increasingly extreme policy platform has set the tone for a tense debate showdown on Tuesday with a slew of more mainstream candidates who are under pressure to rescue the GOP’s reputation.
“I think it is going to be a very big night,” Trump said of the forthcoming debate. “They’re all coming after me.”
He added: “This will not be an evening in paradise for me.”
Trump’s rally at the Westgate Convention Center – across the road from the towering Vegas building bearing his own name – was a raucous affair, interrupted repeatedly by protesters, hecklers and a few drunken people who appeared to have stumbled out of the casinos.
There were repeated scuffles as Trump’s security escorted protesters out of the auditorium.
It is not unusual for opponents to be ejected from Trump rallies, and it is often his supporters who do the ejecting. But there were signs the Republican frontrunner’s increasingly divisive rhetoric is drawing a volatile mix of opponents and supporters.
One MSNBC reporter stood in the crowd reported hearing Trump supporters shout “Kick his ass!”, “Shoot him!” and “Sieg Heil!” as a Black Lives Matter protester was dragged away. The Guardian was not able to corroborate whether the comments were made.
However, a reporter from BuzzFeed captured one incident in which a supporter yells “Light the mother*cker on fire” as security guards attempt to remove a protester.
Tony is that guys anglicised name. He is a Sikh. Real name (if I were to guess) would be Tanwinder or something like that.Paul wrote:Mallu Xtians getting a dose of understanding of life in the land of lays chips and burritos.
As I said in Paki thread ethnicity is more strong bond than religion, something the mawalis of Indo-Pak need to understand as well.
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The man apparently continued driving west on the interstate, firing at vehicles as he drove erratically and at a high rate of speed, the sheriff said.
One person was fatally shot in the Caddo County town of Hydro and another was killed about 10 miles away in Weatherford, Peoples said. In both cases, the driver was able to pull over to the shoulder of the road after the shooting, he said.
The suspect eventually surrendered without incident early Thursday in Custer County, Peoples said. The man is being booked in the Custer County jail and authorities have not yet interviewed him to determine a motive, but they don't suspect anyone was specifically targeted.
"He shot so many vehicles that it would have been totally impractical to assume he knew them," Peoples said, describing the case as a suspected road rage incident.
Doubt that this "endorsement" will be "welcomed" by TrumpMOSCOW: Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday described US Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump as "talented" and "outstanding," welcoming his stance on Russia.
"He is a very outstanding man, unquestionably talented," Putin told journalists after his annual press conference in Moscow.
Putin said that Trump's comments to his domestic audience while on the campaign trail were not Russia's concern, but added that he likes the Republican hopeful's statements on Russia.
"On domestic politics, his manner of speaking, what he employs to raise his popularity" — that is none of Russia's business, Putin said. "It's not our concern to evaluate his work."
Some of Trump's statements on Putin were apparently music to the Russian president's ear.
"He says that he wants a different level of relations, tighter and deeper relations with Russia, how can we not welcome that? Of course we welcome it," Putin said.
Trump was asked during one of the debates in September what he would do to get Russia's military presence out of Syria, and answered that he would first get Putin's respect.
"I will get along — I think — with Putin, and I will get along with others, and we will have a much more stable — stable world," Trump said in September. "I would talk to him. I would get along with him."
Is it possible that Blackwater and other rif raf once they finish thier tour of duties in places like Yemen will become addicted to Killing?Paul wrote:Mallu Xtians getting a dose of understanding of life in the land of lays chips and burritos.
As I said in Paki thread ethnicity is more strong bond than religion, something the mawalis of Indo-Pak need to understand as well.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... -the-face/
“They’ll come in, then they’ll be looking and they’ll leave, then I’ll get a call: ‘Hey, remember that gun we were looking at? Well, she really liked it so I am going to come get it. Don’t tell her.’ Five minutes later, ‘Hey, remember that gun he really liked?’” said Gallegos.
“Gun sales are up, especially this month for us. We have probably doubled last month’s sales,” Gary Wells, owner of Freedom Firearms where the two were shopping, told WCYB.
“It is Christmas time. It is a good time to shop,” Edson said.
Much more to it, apparently the school takes sadistic pleasure in keeping kids hungry.Singha wrote:Idaho cafeteria worker fired for giving hungry student a free lunch
Fox News - 3 hours ago
A cafeteria worker at an Idaho middle school gave a free lunch to a 12-year-old student who said she was hungry, but the school district fired her Monday for her actions, the Idaho State Journal reported.
The petition also accused the district of needlessly draconian treatment toward students who were unable to pay. "Per policy of the school district, if a child's balance exceeds the $11 overdraft limit, the lunch is taken away and thrown out in front of the child and his [or] her peers, humiliating the child and making it hard on the kitchen aids to follow this policy," it reads. "Who would want to deny a child food (perhaps that child's only meal)?"
They already are addicted to killing, the only problem is, when the coloured folks shoot back, then suddenly they are terrorists.Aditya_V wrote:Is it possible that Blackwater and other rif raf once they finish thier tour of duties in places like Yemen will become addicted to Killing?