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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 26 Mar 2013 22:10
by svenkat
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/law-students-end-fast-in-tiruchi/article4545826.ece
The students were seeking an independent international inquiry into the alleged human rights violations in Sri Lanka and a referendum in the island nation for creating separate Tamil Eelam.
They have decided to return the Electors Photo Identity Cards to the authorities in the respective districts and boycott the Lok Sabha elections if their demands were not conceded.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 26 Mar 2013 22:18
by member_20292
chetak wrote:
Saar, have you read Inside Al-Qaeda and the Taliban: Beyond Bin Laden and 9/11 by Syed Saleem Shahzad?? Copy available from the usual shady sources or it can be arranged easily. Shahzad is supposed to have been killed by the ISI because of his book.
somebody put it on rapidshare and share the link
or can email the pdf to me at
rwnano at jee male dot com
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 27 Mar 2013 06:47
by svenkat
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 27 Mar 2013 08:40
by Philip
Chetak,do not blame "your stars,the fault lies within us..." (a poor quote from the Bard) If we have "lost" Sri lanka to the Chinese-and I do not believe that we have as yet,we have only ourselves to blame and not Lankan /Sinhalese cunning.
The Rajapakse regime first asked us to build Hambantota Port and help in the financing,we dithered and dallied.They then asked us to clear up the wreckage in Kankesanturai Port in the Jaffna Peninsula,in the aftermath of the war,we promised but have still not done the whole job,while the Chinese finisihed building the entire Hambantota Port and the Intl. airport too!! We promised to build a lakh+ houses for displaced Tamils in the north and several years on,have yet to build even a few paltry hundred! So don't blame the Lankans.Blame the asinine,myopic,pedestrian mandarins of the MEA and the splendid performing monkeys of FM that we've had under the MMS regime.This disgraced regime has been mroe concerned with entertaining Uncle Sam and performing "tricks" for him than looking after our own genuine interests in our very own backyard.
As I have often pointed out,there is not a SINGLE building pout up by India in the island,a lasting testimony to Indo-Lankan friendship,while the Chinese have gifted the Lankans ,like the massive Bandaranaike Intl. Conf. Hall for the Non-Aligned Conference years ago,extensions to the same,the Supreme Court buildings which look like Chinese pagodas,a spanking new lotus shaped cultural Centre right in the heart of Colombo,apart from the Hambantota Port,the new international airport and the Norocholai power Project.We claimed to love the Tamils in the island,esp. the plantation Tamils,but have we even set up a single hospital in the Hill Country for their welfare? Our diplomacy hs been pathetic in recent times-after the NDA regime,which had its finger on the pulse of events there.We now have JJ wanting the Indo-Lanka Katchativu treaty which Indira and Sirimavo signed torn up! Indian foreign policy now appears to be made in the neo-Eelam state of TN with its capital called Chennai.At this rate in a few years time,TN will have been renamed Eelam and wanting to secede!
Fortunately,this lame-duck govt. and its quack doctor-snake oil mendicant are on their way out.Hopefully,the people of India will vote in a strong and stable govt. that will set right the absurdities perpetrated by this horendous regime.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 27 Mar 2013 11:05
by chetak
Sanku wrote:chetak wrote:{quote="Sanku"}
I propose we elect Rajapakshe as the PM of India. We can use the Sinhala cunning.

{/quote}
Saar, have you read Inside Al-Qaeda and the Taliban: Beyond Bin Laden and 9/11 by Syed Saleem Shahzad?? Copy available from the usual shady sources or it can be arranged easily. Shahzad is supposed to have been killed by the ISI because of his book.
No Saar, I have not, but I didnt quite understand the allusion here. Please help.
This book outlines a larger picture and a much wider game plan. Our guys seem to be missing the woods for the trees. mms in particular is either complicit or selfishly after establishing his personal niche in history at any ( and mostly our ) cost
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 27 Mar 2013 11:09
by Lilo
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 27 Mar 2013 11:12
by chetak
Philip wrote:Chetak,do not blame "your stars,the fault lies within us..." (a poor quote from the Bard) If we have "lost" Sri lanka to the Chinese-and I do not believe that we have as yet,we have only ourselves to blame and not Lankan /Sinhalese cunning.
The Rajapakse regime first asked us to build Hambantota Port and help in the financing,we dithered and dallied.They then asked us to clear up the wreckage in Kankesanturai Port in the Jaffna Peninsula,in the aftermath of the war,we promised but have still not done the whole job,while the Chinese finisihed building the entire Hambantota Port and the Intl. airport too!! We promised to build a lakh+ houses for displaced Tamils in the north and several years on,have yet to build even a few paltry hundred! So don't blame the Lankans.Blame the asinine,myopic,pedestrian mandarins of the MEA and the splendid performing monkeys of FM that we've had under the MMS regime.This disgraced regime has been mroe concerned with entertaining Uncle Sam and performing "tricks" for him than looking after our own genuine interests in our very own backyard.
As I have often pointed out,there is not a SINGLE building pout up by India in the island,a lasting testimony to Indo-Lankan friendship,while the Chinese have gifted the Lankans ,like the massive Bandaranaike Intl. Conf. Hall for the Non-Aligned Conference years ago,extensions to the same,the Supreme Court buildings which look like Chinese pagodas,a spanking new lotus shaped cultural Centre right in the heart of Colombo,apart from the Hambantota Port,the new international airport and the Norocholai power Project.We claimed to love the Tamils in the island,esp. the plantation Tamils,but have we even set up a single hospital in the Hill Country for their welfare? Our diplomacy hs been pathetic in recent times-after the NDA regime,which had its finger on the pulse of events there.We now have JJ wanting the Indo-Lanka Katchativu treaty which Indira and Sirimavo signed torn up! Indian foreign policy now appears to be made in the neo-Eelam state of TN with its capital called Chennai.At this rate in a few years time,TN will have been renamed Eelam and wanting to secede!
Fortunately,this lame-duck govt. and its quack doctor-snake oil mendicant are on their way out.Hopefully,the people of India will vote in a strong and stable govt. that will set right the absurdities perpetrated by this horendous regime.
Phillip Saar, we have seriously missed the boat. immersed as we were in futile and nonproductive, personal agenda driven pappi jhappi with the pakis.
Lankan roulette
In June 2009, when Sri Lanka officially celebrated the defeat of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam after a bloody war that lasted 25 years, the victory parade, which included tanks, fighter jets and artillery pieces, made India sit up: most of the military hardware on display was of Chinese make. China had played a key role in making that victory possible, and the Mahinda Rajapaksa government made no attempts to hide its gratitude. India has since watched with increasing concern, and some helplessness, China's growing presence in the island nation which sits barely 31 km across the Palk Strait from the southern tip of India. The wave of protests in Tamil Nadu against the Sri Lanka government's alleged atrocities on Tamils and India's vote in favour of the US resolution against Sri Lanka at the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva on Thursday is further working towards China's advantage.
The sentiment is not limited to the country's leaders, who obviously know that gains can be made by playing one country against the other; it now runs deep. An assessment report of a political analyst to a company with business interests in Sri Lanka, which Business Standard has accessed, points that Lankan society is now vehemently arguing that it should lean towards China - a "friendly nation" - and not rely on India, particularly on the economic front. The speculation that India played a key role in watering down the resolution hasn't allayed the disgruntled sections of Lankan society, the report says.
Thus, Sri Lankan Airlines has cut its flights to Chennai by half, to 14, following the attacks on Sri Lankan tourists, including two monks. There are reports that Sri Lanka has decided to partially take over a strategic oil storage depot in Trincomalee from Indian Oil Corporation's Sri Lankan arm, Lanka IOC. India has denied the reports. A day before this news broke, Lanka IOC Chairman Makrand Nene had said that there was no competition from China "but we have no plans to expand in Sri Lanka at the moment."
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Recent events show how close China and Sri Lanka have become. A few days ago, Rajapaksa inaugurated the country's second international airport, the $206-million Rajapaksa International Airport in Mattala built with money from China's Export-Import Bank. Some Chinese officials were present at the function. Some 40 km to the south is the China-funded $1 billion Hambantota Port. Why not India? "It's not that China is getting preference; it was always India first. We invited India first to build our ports, including the Hambantota port, but it rejected it saying it's not viable, so we invited China," Rajapaksa had said earlier. A senior official from the shipping industry in India says the port project "is really a great miss and India will regret it on all fronts, be it security or trade".
The Hambantota Port is located on a key shipping route which sees around 300 ships, mostly oil tankers, passing through every day. Ironically, when the deep-water port formally opened for international shipping in June last year, the first consignment it moved was 1,000 Hyundai cars from Chennai, outbound for Algeria. If you look at it from the commercial point of view, then the port is meant to provide docking and refuelling facilities to the thousands of ships that ferry oil and raw materials from Africa and the Persian Gulf to China every year. But, this also happens to be a geo-strategically convenient location. It is a crucial link in the "string of pearls" which China is building in the region through a network of ports to consolidate its economic and military influence in the Indian Ocean: Sittwe in Myanmar, Chittagong in Bangladesh, Hambantota in Sri Lanka, Gwadar in Pakistan and Marao in the Maldives.
Chinese money is pouring into Sri Lanka. From 2007 to 2011, while India extended aid of $298.1 million to Sri Lanka, China gave $2.126 billion to become the largest foreign aid provider to the country. While Indian aid has been for "soft" purposes like healthcare and education, the Chinese have funded highly-visible infrastructure projects. As on today, reports say, China has pledged more than $3 billion for infrastructure development in Sri Lanka. Some industry watchers have expressed concern that China might even be getting contracts for mega projects by bypassing tender procedures.
Its engineers are building roads, railway lines, telecommunication links, dams, hospitals, expressways like the one between Colombo and Katunayake, stadiums, schools, hotels and power plants. Last year, Sri Lanka launched its first communications satellite with the help of China Great Wall Industry Corp, China's state-owned space technology firm. It has since signed a string of satellite deals with Sri Lanka. It's also helping build a space academy. Deals are being struck between the two countries to build telecommunication and information technology networks. The two have also pledged to improve their defence ties.
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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 27 Mar 2013 11:41
by Philip
Too true.When even after the Paki media,etc. say that the autopsy report on Chamel Singh says that he was tortured and killed ,the GOI is still a silent mute entity,led bu "Maun" Mohan Singh.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 27 Mar 2013 14:25
by svenkat
It is inexplicable that we did not build the H port.But perhaps TR Baalu and DMk objected.Perhaps Balu saw it as competition to sethusamudram.
The Sinhalese were criminal too not to give devolution to Tamil areas and not address issue of SLA excesses and for pitting moors against Tamils,
The gora criminality is sustaining eezham pgaandu is well known.
The disgraceful role of TN politicians is well documented.All the actors deserve each other.Rest of India should ignore these issues.We have huge problems in Indian mainland,to seek welfare of Indian citizens including our tamizh people.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 27 Mar 2013 15:09
by habal
I honestly feel it is too much to expect the war & violence addled minds of Sri Lankan Sinhalas to show some heart towards the defeated Tamils, they do not have a history of showing grace & regard in this respect and it is not going to come as they strut around victoriously and this issue will keep on festering for all time to come with periodic US sponsored UN resolutions, of which one of the main reasons being Sri Lanka is such a strategic piece of land. I am sure the Americans think of basing some kind of fleet there with an eye to establish a command that could bridge the gap between the pacific and West Asian theatre and which directly targets South-east Asia, China, India, Iran etc. That's a bonanza, isn't it. So they will not stop in their attempts, and they can continually entice Indian leaders to willy-nilly make some mistakes and strategic blunders to create a foothold. It's very much possible in tactical gameplay since they have big picture and they have a desired outcome in mind and they are the aggressors and wish to be the ones who make the first move. It's a dangerous situation that one mustn't left unattended what with the deep tentacles of the Roman Catholic Church in southern parts of Tamil Nadu have shown that the local populace can be galvanized for a variety of causes such as local destabilization to fomenting Tamil radicalization on some pretext.
I have a dream .. India should bear upon the Sri Lankan govt of giving a special 'economic' status to Jaffna and create a northern SEZ, comprising of Killinochchi, Mullaitivu, Mannar, Vavuniya, trincomalee which will serve as contiguous regional hubs to the Jaffna special 'economic' zone. Economic investment needs to go into Jaffna with the intention of transforming it into something like the Gold Coast in Aus or the Valley in US with establishment of major industries like Ship Building (you can never have enough of that), aeronautical design, precision tool & die boutique establishments and Software Info parks that can generate high volume employment. Connect this patch of land to the Indian grid and create expressways to and from Jaffna so that this investment can be monitored real-time and establish a security perimeter around Jaffna and ring fence it by Indian Armed forces wherein the jurisdiction over transfer into Jaffna economic zone and the Northern regional hubs lies with the Indian forces. Keep the SL Sinhalas away from this operation but guarantee absolute safety and security of their areas in the centre and the south in coordination with SL armed forces. This takes away the power of SL Sinhala security forces and their Southern administration to harass and intimidate Tamils in their travel to and from the hubs. Presence of neutral armed forces in this areas allows India to keep an hawks eye on what goes on in the Islands and not only is economic integration into India thus possible but also a guarantee to the peace and security and nipping any potential issue in the bud without any blame being laid on Sinhala chauvinism/narrow-mindedness and their bitter distrust and history of animosity towards the tamils. The Jaffna economic zone can rival Singapore, Schenzhen or the Hong Kong/Macau economic zones with with the Northern buffer zones providing hubs to the Jaffna economic model as well as manpower & ancilliary support to base the Jaffna operations in. This would ensure that adequate attention is being paid to intellectual as well as infrastructural deployment. I am sure the Chinese can not manage the former and merely throwing money into Sri Lanka doesn't bring in security along with development. It just enriches the Rajapakshes and a few other Sinhala cliques and sets the seeds ripe for a future debacle once Rajapakshe gives way. These are just ideas, but let us see.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 27 Mar 2013 17:24
by Ramesh
A bit OT
Shortened version of vikram betal story :-
Once upon a time, vikram was carrying betal and betal started off with a story about a king who was going to quell some rebillion in a province of his kingdom. On his way he met a ginnie who asked him for a wish. King asked that he be made ruler of a larger kingdom. Gennie started laughing. Betal asked vikram why? Vikram replied"if the king is not able to control his present kingdom, he certainly won't be able to control anything larger.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 27 Mar 2013 18:14
by member_20292
^^^
India is not going to lose anything to the Chinese, certainly not Sri Lanka.
As of the concept of { "losing" something/or being influenced enormously just by doing business with that country..}
NOT!
Because, the Lankans are geographically, genetically, culturally far more in tune with us than with the Chinese. People to people, business to business contact is far larger.
Also, people should see the amount of Chinese goods (trinkets, machine tools, boxes, small electronics) that pervades India. Large scale infra projects. Delhi Metro/Rapid Metro coaches. etc. yada. etc.
THEORETICALLY, if business was , in todays day and age, a highly influential factor, both India and the USA should be boot licking lackeys of China. But they're quite the opposite.
This is because of a factor common to US, India, Sri Lanka, and all the rest that do business with China. That, the Chinese worker in that particular country, is unable to influence the govt of China to do anything, implement no policy decisions, make no new friendships at all, since its a single party state and responds badly to ground up winds of change.
Thus, even though the weight and volume of Chinese influence might be much larger than that of India's everywhere, Indias has more substance.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 27 Mar 2013 20:42
by SwamyG
RajeshA wrote:SwamyG wrote:
Like what ? So Hindus have to learn from Buddhists, great. I remember Shiv and others urging Hindus to learn from Sikhs. For a Hindutva forum, we do have a very low opinion on Hindus.

We have been warned against using the "D" word on this thread, but Buddhists and Sikhs are also Hindu. So says our Constitution and so says Hindutva!
“In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.”
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 27 Mar 2013 21:26
by Comer
chetak wrote:We foolishly helped in the extermination of the ltte and and without the ltte we have lost our leverage. It's too late to put any conditions now as our place at the lankan high table has been permanently taken over by the chinese.
It was because of the ltte that India retained it's influence and it was ONLY India that can and did help the sinhala to wipe out the ltte. Neither the pakis nor the chinese have the wherewithal to have supported the sinhala like the Indian Navy did.
Truly we are f(uked and far from home.
The PM is focused on some piddly panju pappi jhappi and rajmata concerned with the eyetalians and the vatican.
Interesting times.....
chetakji, very good post and spot on. I was about to do a post about a few things you had written but I couldn't have put it better. I wish I could quote your whole post.
To add but not to extend your post, I wish the capital and the establishment are not myopic and look beyond the Pakis. If only our capital was a few hundred KMs to the East or South.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 27 Mar 2013 23:48
by pankajs
T.N. Assembly demands referendum on Eelam
Stop calling Sri Lanka a "friendly nation," resolution moved by Jayalalithaa urges Centre
The Tamil Nadu Assembly on Wednesday urged the Centre to move a resolution in the United Nations Security Council seeking various measures against Sri Lanka, including a referendum on creation of Eelam.
Considering the future of Sri Lankan Tamils, such a referendum should be held among Tamils living in Sri Lanka and the Sri Lankan Tamil diaspora, says the resolution, which the House adopted unanimously through a voice vote after it was moved by Chief Minister Jayalalaithaa.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 28 Mar 2013 09:56
by chetak
If you mud wrestle with pigs this is the result........
Soon the story will change to the Indians being actually responsible for all the massacres whilst the powerless sinhala were mere innocent and helpless bystanders...
India kept in loop on war against LTTE: Sri Lanka
Sri Lanka has claimed India was always kept informed about the progress of the war against the LTTE. This was disclosed by Gotabaya Rajapaksa, the Sri Lankan Defence Secretary, on Monday while addressing delegates participating in an international literary festival being held at Galle in the island nation.
“A special bilateral committee was set up at the highest level, including then Senior Presidential Adviser Basil Rajapaksa, Secretary to President Lalith Weeratunga and myself as Defence Secretary from the Sri Lankan side, and former National Security Adviser MK Narayanan, then Foreign Secretary Shiv Shankar Menon and then Defence Secretary Vijay Singh on the Indian side. This troika had continuous discussions and ensured that any sensitive issues were dealt with as soon as they arose,” said Rajapaksa during his speech, a copy of which has been published in the Daily Mirror, a Sri Lankan newspaper.
He said India was always kept informed though it was India which once saved the LTTE from the verge of defeat. “Because of the political pressures in Tamil Nadu, the Sri Lankan situation has always been a very sensitive one in that country. In 1987, when the LTTE was on the brink of defeat during the Vadamarachchi Operation, India intervened and effectively forced the Government to stop its military campaign. In order to maintain the relationship with India and to prevent any such problem occurring this time around, the President went out of his way to keep New Delhi briefed on developments,” said Rajapaksa.
According to Rajapaksa, during the later stages of the Northern operation, the LTTE withdrew from its entrenched positions and retreated towards its strongholds on the Northeastern coast.
“As it withdrew, it took three hundred thousand civilians out of their homes to serve as its human shield. During the last stage of the war, the LTTE set up its artillery positions within civilian encampments and fought amidst the civilians, often dressed in civilian attire. This was a very challenging situation for the Armed Forces, which acted with great restraint and suffered considerable losses in their efforts to minimise civilian casualties. The use of heavy weaponry was curtailed and then stopped outright. The minimum amount of necessary force was used at all times to ensure that harm to civilians and civilian property was minimised. However, the LTTE had no compunctions about putting civilians deliberately in harm’s way, and its cadres mercilessly shot at all civilians who tried to escape into Government controlled areas,” said the Defence Secretary.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 28 Mar 2013 10:07
by Aditya_V
pankajs wrote:T.N. Assembly demands referendum on Eelam
Stop calling Sri Lanka a "friendly nation," resolution moved by Jayalalithaa urges Centre
The Tamil Nadu Assembly on Wednesday urged the Centre to move a resolution in the United Nations Security Council seeking various measures against Sri Lanka, including a referendum on creation of Eelam.
Considering the future of Sri Lankan Tamils, such a referendum should be held among Tamils living in Sri Lanka and the Sri Lankan Tamil diaspora, says the resolution, which the House adopted unanimously through a voice vote after it was moved by Chief Minister Jayalalaithaa.
JJ is teaching a lesson to INC and DMK for starting the TESO stuff, now its bomranging back on them and affecting business interests. They will think twice before supporting such gimmicks to gain popularity. She is saying she willing to destroy everything and they and thier businesses will suffer if they try this Teso type stick.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 28 Mar 2013 11:59
by Philip
Habal,I have interacted with Sri Lankans of all types for the last 30+ years.It is wrong to say that the Sinhalese are obdurate .The ordinary people are fed up with conflict and want to get on with their lives and an equitable solution to the ethnic problem.It has been the Jaffna Tamils who have been obstinate all along,with Prabhakaran wanting a position "equal" to that of the Pres. of Sri Lanka! Even the western interlocutors baulked at the demand.When Chandrika was in power,elected on a "peace" electoral campaign,she first brought about a ceasefire,talks,where Neelam Tiruchelvam was drawing up a new constitution which would give Tamil areas a lot of autonomy.Prabhakaran tried to assassinate her,assassinated Tiruchelvam because he was never interested in anything other than a separate state.You will be surprised how many JTs welcomed the assassination of Rajiv G and IPKF casualties.The Eelam diaspora simply want to use the innocent sentimentalities of Indian Tamils in TN to their own selfish interests.Left to rot even further,we will soon have an uprising and terrorism in Tamil Nadu just as there was in Sri Lanka.All that is needed to ignite the powder keg is for a prominent Tamilian politician to be bumped off by the Eelamists ,who will blame the act on the Lankans!
The hard facts are that NO Indian govt. will allow an Eelam to be formed in the island,as it would be used in future by vested interests to split TamilNafuirtherdu from India.The current competition to be more pro-Eelam than the other by the two Dravidian parties is nothing more than a pre-electioneering stunt.If India unilaterally interferes in a sovereign nation that Sri Lankan is,then what right have we to object when The Paki parliament passes resolutions against India? If one must talk about human rights and war crimes against the LTTE,then what about the far greater human rights/war crimes abuses by the LTTE where they have killed out more Tamils than SL forces,Muslims,Sinhalese in their thousands,assassinated scores of figures including Rajiv G.
Take the so-called fishing issue.Our DG of the Coast Guard has gone on record blaming our fishermen for intruding into Lankan waters,where now that the war is over,the fight is between Lankan Jaffna Tamil fishermen and the Palk Strait fishermen.During the war,Tamil fishermen in the north-eats were severely restricted in their trade due for obvious reasons.Madam JJ now wants to abrogate the Katchativu agreement when the terms of the agreement are being carried out.Many of our fishing folk are also indulging in the ancient lucrative trade of smuggling which has been going on for decades.drugs from Afghanistan find their way to Sri Lanka through India ,from where they ate distributed worldwide.Many European yachts and merchant vessels which anchor in Lankan ports have been suspected of being involved in the drug trade.
The right way is to bring about pressure upon the GOSL to move on the "Lessons Learnt" Commission into the war,set up on similar lines as was done in S.Africa,and get on with a good governance for the whole island.
I am sure that if a referendum was held in Tamilnadu,the vast majority of the state would want to secede from the two Chennai regimes and Chennai! While Chennai have no power cuts,the rest of the state languish with cuts upto 14 hrs! Cities across the state are seeing the collapse of industry ,with industrialists moving to Andhra and Karnataka and some even toying with the idea of moving to Mr.Modi's state.The "take-it-or-leave-it" attitude of the two Dravidian parties ,both embroiled in scams,has made them extremely unpopular.Unfortunately,the Congress with its "High Command" disease,has abandoned state after state,allowing no strong local to emerge,but furthering petty nepotism and a mini-dynastic party syndrome to rule the roost.This has turned the Congress party across the country into an outfit like the Mexican army,with a galaxy of generals and officers but no soldiers!
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 29 Mar 2013 05:42
by SwamyG
Aditya_V wrote:JJ is teaching a lesson to INC and DMK for starting the TESO stuff, now its bomranging back on them and affecting business interests. They will think twice before supporting such gimmicks to gain popularity. She is saying she willing to destroy everything and they and thier businesses will suffer if they try this Teso type stick.
She is nuts, and not teaching them any lesson. She is being opportunistic. Where was she during the time when GoSL was finishing the war? The massacres were always happening. She is making a ruckus because MuKa is making a ruckus. All the *MK groups routinely will make such news and ride the SL tamilian wave as it benefits them. She is no better than MuKa in this regard.
This is from a SL tamilian sympathiser:
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/why-t ... 77705.html
Not surprisingly, the response to the assembly resolution and the stand by the Dravidian parties on the issue, has been that of cynicism – particularly in the section of the media that has always spoken for Rajapaksa. However, the charges of political opportunism against the DMK and the AIADMK are certainly justified because they did practically nothing in 2009, when accounts of large-scale civilian deaths emerged from influential world capitals.
Both MuKa and JJ are crazy to increase the ante, as it benefits them. Buffoons.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 29 Mar 2013 06:11
by RamaY
SwamyG garu.
What do you want out of this conundrum? A separate Eelam nation or Eelam state as part of SL or Eelam as part of TN or Ealam as part of India or SL as part of India or no Ealam at all?
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 29 Mar 2013 08:02
by SwamyG
What matters is what tamilians in SL want. I like peace onlee. The Sinhalese and tamilians living happily in their country. One state or two state is upto them. Respect, fairness, opportunities for all. Khumbaya....khumbhaya......khumbhaya......
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 29 Mar 2013 11:07
by Philip
There was a great show on HT yesterday,with a spl. report by IT editor Sandeep U,back from the island ,where the remnants of the war in former LTTE held territory have become major tourist attractions.Prabhakaran's multi-level underground bunker,etc.The anchorman was spinning the story that the GOSL was glorifying its victory,etc.Sub.Swamy,G.Parthasarathy,Maj.Gen. Mehta,and a DMK,pro-Eelam entities were also talking heads.The DMK gent got himself into a tight spot when he couldn't answer the Q as to why his party did not try hard enough to stop the war in 2009,for three months,when it was world news that the LTTE were being cornered and on its last legs.
For those not familiar with the war and even for those familiar,the pics were fascinating.One showed a large Jordanian ship which had been pirated by the LTTE aground on a beach,with huge parts of its hull missing,used by the LTTE for armour plating its vehicles,bunkers,etc.A graveyard of hundreds of vehicles used by the LTTE and set fire by them as a smoke screen during the last days,reminded one of the highway of death of burnt out Iraqi vehicles in GW1.LTTE fast craft,mini-subs,torpedoes,mortars,artillery,etc. were also on display in an army museum.
Today it is difficult to imagine what the LTTE represented in global terms.It was the world's most powerful and vicious terrorist outfit,responsible for the assassination of over 50 top political leaders in the island including Rajiv G.2000 IPKF troops also lost their lives in peacekeeping.At least 500 mil. pounds profit was the LTTE's annual earnings through drug smuggling,gun running,credit card fraud and other criminal activities.It possessed an army,navy and a fledgling air force using light trainer aircraft that even bombed Colombo! It ultimately failed because the Lankans-with substantial intel input from India,sank almost all its merchant vessels used in gun running,thus cutting off its logistic supplies by sea,forcing it to rely on a trickle of smuggling from the TN mainland across the Palk Straits.Treating the eastern Tamils like cannon fodder saw the LTTE split into two,with Col.Karuna rebelling and joining forces with the GOSL. Above all was the LTTE fuhrer's arrogance and underestimation of the Lankan forces,who over 25 years,completed the task of turning a ceremonial army into a very potent fighting force specialising in counter-insurgency,where they used similar tactics of the LTTE in eliminating the LTTE's top cadre.Prabhakaran's arrogant dismissal of any political solution-he was only playing for time to establish his "Eelam" into reality,forced the GOSL to finally bite the bullet and exterminate him and his crowd once and for all.The singlemindedness with which the GOSL pursued their goal is a lesson to the GOI when it pusues its own anti-terror campaign in J&K and elsewhere in the country.
Frankly,most victorious armies/govts. do display such artefacts in their war museums.We have also done the same.The problem with the Lankan ones were that Tamil was not used in the explanatory texts,only Sinhala and English.Normally,in all govt. notices and forms,all three languages are used.A freudian slip perhaps,or deliberate?
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 29 Mar 2013 12:18
by Javee
Philip wrote:There was a great show on HT yesterday,with a spl. report by IT editor Sandeep U,back from the island ,where the remnants of the war in former LTTE held territory have become major tourist attractions.Prabhakaran's multi-level underground bunker,etc.The anchorman was spinning the story that the GOSL was glorifying its victory,etc.
....Frankly,most victorious armies/govts. do display such artefacts in their war museums.We have also done the same.The problem with the Lankan ones were that Tamil was not used in the explanatory texts,only Sinhala and English.Normally,in all govt. notices and forms,all three languages are used.A freudian slip perhaps,or deliberate?
Yes, there was a series in tamil weekly Junior Vikatan with pictures and a storyline to go along with it. Most of the explanations were in English and Singhala, with copious sprinkling on Terrorist this and terrorist that. May be tamil references are missing because most visitors are again Singhalas from the south. And the village/town names in north and east areas are spelled per Singhalese diction but in Tamil. The author was actually quarantined for several hours by the police and then military in one of the locations, when he was identified as TN tamil journalist.I still do not understand why the government want to celebrate the victory in such terms, when Tamils are still living there. I would doubt India we would ever do such a thing in Kashmir or Assam or where ever.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 29 Mar 2013 12:33
by Javee
Funny story, ADMK is using this stir to its full potential,

Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 29 Mar 2013 17:56
by SwamyG
Wow. Javee, is MuKa known as thatha these days?
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 29 Mar 2013 18:54
by Javee
Boss,
If ADMK decides they would even call him as Kollu Thatha

But I see where you are going, Stalin is still Ilaingar Ani thalaivar. He is just 60 year old man, sorry youth.
BTW that above poster is from Madurai, Anja nenjan become Anjum Nenjan now

Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 29 Mar 2013 19:11
by dinakar
Javee wrote:Funny story
That kind of poster wars are pretty common in TN... DMK answered to the poster with this... Not only *MK's all the other political parties are using the stir to gain mileage. But one thing is this time the students and normal people from the street started to participate in the agitations..

Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 29 Mar 2013 22:12
by Baikul
While reading up on a mostly un-related matter on the net, I came across stories that implied to increasing incidents of anti- Muslim violence in Sri Lanka. What I then discovered led me to believe this is an issue that could very well blow up.
I also found that right here on this thread Philip (pages 58 and 62) and Carl (page 61) had already spoken about the trend. Brief quotes:
Philip wrote:……To deflect the anti-regime mood,the Muslims are now being targeted…
Philip wrote: …In recent times however,a campaign is being launched portraying Lankan Muslims (who are mostly interested in making money) by right-wing entities using "Buddhist" monks,whipping up communal hatred against the Muslims…….
In this post I have tried to compile ‘Buddhist on Muslim incidents’ over the past few months. The links are sequential in terms of when the stories/ analyses were published.
This could very well be overkill in terms of content matter, but I believe that it’s useful in terms of (a) comprehending the magnitude of the trend and, (b) tracking its recent evolution.
I have kept my own comments to a minimum- only some key links are preceded by a one line explanation. The news stories go back to October 2012. The short version: Increased Sinhala Buddhist radicalism led by an organization called the Bodu Bala Sena has targeted Muslims businesses, mosques and individuals in a series of what seem to be escalating incidents. Some observers are predicting an intensified Muslim backlash.
Hopefully this post will serve as a point of departure for anyone who wishes to delve deeper. If not, mods can always shorten/ delete.
http://www.dailymirror.lk/news/22714-po ... otest.html
http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2012/10/0 ... angladesh/
http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat ... itle=70876
http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat ... itle=70440
http://www.emirates247.com/news/sri-lan ... 3-1.494851
The link below pertains to the tactic of boycotting halal goods.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... al-boycott
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21494959
http://www.adaderana.lk/news.php?nid=21713
http://www.ft.lk/2013/03/01/attack-on-k ... estigated/
http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/17453
http://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.p ... he-empire/
http://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.p ... day-forum/
http://www.ft.lk/2013/03/13/bbs-fires-all-cylinders/
http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2013/03/1 ... on-notice/
This link below speaks of the connection between the BDS and the ruling Rajapaksa family, specifically Gotabhaya.
http://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.p ... bala-sena/
http://colombogazette.com/2013/03/15/mo ... ala-house/
http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/18342
http://www.abna.co/data.asp?lang=3&id=400965
http://colombogazette.com/2013/03/19/ig ... to-pastor/
http://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.p ... s-discord/
http://colombogazette.com/2013/03/24/bb ... ltiracial/
The link below is the first time I read of an organized Muslim protest against the events of the past few months.
http://www.ceylontoday.lk/16-28115-news ... t-bbs.html
http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2013/03/2 ... ent-creed/
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... e-attacked
http://www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_W ... 397118.htm
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 30 Mar 2013 07:41
by SwamyG
DMK and AIADMK prove how demeaning they really are, they care two hoots for all these tamilians in SL. They have become so elite and ideologues that they sit in the comfy political offices and use the suffering of SL tamilians to suit their political gains. JJ is as horrible as MuKa. Elsewhere, people are hoping she becomes the PM. DMK would find the Sinhalese more tolerant and friendly than JJ.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 30 Mar 2013 14:03
by Philip
Hopefully I should be able to give you some authentic info shortly about the anti-Muslim situ in the island.Some might remember me being tipped off a year ago by friends that the next disturbances would not be anti-Tamil, but "anti-Muslim". During the last two decades,thanks to the large number of workers in the Gulf and successful businesses run by many Muslims in the island,esp. by the Bohra community,their success has become the object of envy amongst some Sinhalese.More so has been the advent of the Msulim political parties who some say have been the recipients of money from abroad,particularly from the Saudis,who have been promoting their Wahabi style of Islam around the globe.Having defeated the "Demelas",a corruption of the world "Tamils",the lumpen fringe element found in any society who adore violence and mayhem see the Muslim community as a soft target and are sharpening heir hatchets.
The anti "halal" campaign and the pro-active "monks" bashing away in their saffron robes do not augur well for the island.It has just started recovering from the war,is faced with rampant inflation,loss of Gulf income as housemaids are now banned form going abroad.One very praiseworthy act of the Rajapakse regime,as the atrocious ill-treatment of Lankan maids was a burning issue.The economy depends very heavily upon tea,tourism,and take-home salaries from expat workers.Tourism is growing in the east coast which was underdeveloped during the war.Any further disturbances in the island will severely hamper the economy and further alienate the GOSL and the international community,this time Muslim nations upon whom the Lankans depend entirely for their oil.
As one saw in '83,allowing the "safety valve" of riots to keep your goons happy,has a tragic way of getting completely out of control and backfiring badly.The Rajapakse regime would well heed the lessons that history taught the Jayawardene regime,as it often has a nasty way of repeating itself.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 05 Apr 2013 23:24
by Vipin_Upadhyay
Cross posting from Cricket Discussion thread, for those who do not follow Cricket, since this is relevant to Sri Lankan players boycott by DMK in IPL.
Vipin_Upadhyay wrote:nachiket wrote:I didn't know Deccan Chargers had been renamed to Hyderabad Sunrisers. Who the hell came up with "sunrisers" anyway?
Sunrisers is owned by Sun TV Group. The owner of SunTV group is Kalanidhi Maran, brother of Dayanidhi Maran.
No wonder they have
Sangakkara as Captain in their team, all the while opposing Sri Lankan players participation in Chennai held matches supposedly showing solidarity for "tamil" cause
Also proves my point that members of this "Tamil" family are bigger scums than Manio family we otherwise know as "Gandhi"
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 06 Apr 2013 02:17
by Philip
I don't follow this b*stardised version of cricket at all.This also only goes to show the sheer hypocrisy of the political leaders of TN and the UPA-2.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 06 Apr 2013 09:57
by Austin
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 06 Apr 2013 10:41
by Gus
TN people see thru the hypocrisy alright. if elections were held today, dmk and inc will probably be washed out.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 09 Apr 2013 03:57
by Prem
Closer Economic Ties with India is an Economic Disaster
http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2013 ... -disaster/
n a superficial analysis, India has a fast growing economy; currently ranked 9th in the world in terms of the GDP and tipped to become the third largest. On the face of it, one may argue it is beneficial to enhance trade ties with India. However, upon closer examination it becomes obvious closer economic ties with India leads to the total destruction of the Lankan economy.When CEPA (Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement) with India came up, a large number of Lankan businessmen protested against it for very good reasons. Their fears are justified. India can produce many goods Sri Lanka produces at a cheaper cost. Cost of land, labour, finance (capital) and entrepreneurship are cheaper in India than Lanka. In short, all factors of production are cheaper in India than Sri Lanka. This cost advantage can wipe out all these homogeneous industries in Sri Lanka leading to vast unemployment, larger trade deficit and social unrest. Before jumping into closer ties with India, the modus operandi of Indian traders in Lanka must be analysed. The conduct of Indian traders and investors in Sri Lanka is based on exploitation at present and hence it cannot achieve any good outcome.
Economics of Senseless Exploitation
Take for instance the operations of the Indian Oil Company operating through its local subsidiary – Lanka Indian Oil Company. They provide 35% of petroleum needs of the country. Is it any beneficial to Sri Lanka? The answer is no. What if LIOC were not operating in the island? Would the sales of petroleum products fall by 35%? Absolutely not. Instead of LIOC, local entrepreneurs and Ceypetco will fill this vacuum. At present all the profits earned by LIOC leaves the island; highest paid employees of LIOC are Indians. This is an economic disaster. Sri Lankans have proven for decades they could profitably manage petroleum distribution, retaining all the profits in the island and employing only Sri Lankans. Thanks to the invasion of LIOC, local entrepreneurs are deprived of one of the most lucrative business opportunities.
Consider the data about tourist arrivals. 42% of tourists are Indians. But that does not say bulk of tourism revenue comes from Indian tourists. On the contrary, Indian tourists are thrifty spenders and contribute to a very small percentage of net tourism earnings. They also travel in Indian airlines depriving Sri Lanka any gain from their largest expense during their tour. A large number of Indian tourists come for short term employment. Their net contribution to the Sri Lankan economy is in the negative! nother cataclysm of Indian tourists is that while some low spending Indian tourists occupy hotel rooms and tourist destinations, it deprives high spending European tourists. Local tour operators and hotels know this fact very well.
Indian economic growth is supported by such exploitative operations. At the moment, the Indian economy grows at the expense of Sri Lankan economy (among other factors) and the economic prosperity and employment of Sri Lankans.Allowing Indian investments into the country where there is a technological enhancement is good. However, within five to ten years Sri Lankans must master that technology and earn profit for themselves. Otherwise by definition the country gains nothing from the importation of such new technology.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 09 Apr 2013 04:33
by Rony
Lankaweb is the Sinhala fundamentalist anti-Indian website. Its pure garbage of Paki vareity .
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 09 Apr 2013 18:54
by Javee
Why India is right on Sri Lanka
HARDEEP S. PURI
Unless Colombo treats its Tamil citizens with dignity and respect, New Delhi will continue to have limited options
Contemporary developments in India’s foreign policy are often based on perceptions and not facts, views divorced from reality and political advocacy based on make-believe. India’s approach to the Sri Lankan issue and the vote in the Human Rights Council (HRC) is a case in point.
Variously described as a “new low” in our foreign policy and a departure from our principled stand of not supporting country-specific resolutions, this line of reasoning suggests that New Delhi should ignore and overrule regional sentiment, and refrain from meddling in the affairs of a small neighbour.
But first the perceptions. One, in 1956, Solomon West Ridgeway Dias (SWRD) Bandaranaike enacted the Sinhala-Only Act. Sections of the political class in New Delhi welcomed it as a consolidation of anti-imperialist sentiment. Years later, Tamils were reduced to second-class citizens and discrimination against them became systemic and entrenched. The anti-Tamil riots in Colombo following the killing of the Mayor of Jaffna, Alfred Duriappa, by a young Prabhakaran led to the rise of Tamil militancy.
Perception two. Most Sinhalese believe, with good reason, that Tamil militancy, rightly viewed by them as terrorism, would not have succeeded in tearing apart Sri Lanka’s social fabric but for support from across the Palk Straits. Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi sought course correction. He committed India to Sri Lanka’s unity and territorial integrity. This fundamental turnaround meant India would not support the break-up of Sri Lanka and would also cooperate in ending support for terrorism. There was, however, one caveat. The Tamil minority should be treated with dignity and as equal citizens of a multicultural, multiple-ethnic and multilingual Sri Lanka.
Resolution was minimalist
What the international community is questioning is not Colombo’s military operation against the LTTE or human rights violations but specific allegations of war crimes during the last 100 days of military operations. Visual documentation, including by triumphant victors on mobile phones has contributed to Sri Lanka’s discomfort.
The U.S. resolution at the 19th session of the HRC in March 2012 was a minimalist attempt. It invited Sri Lanka to act on the recommendations of its own Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission. Even the assistance to be made available to Colombo would have been provided only with its consent. Instead, Colombo chose to prevaricate. With additional visual documentation being made available, the demand for accountability gained momentum.
Having voted in favour of the resolution in March 2012, it was next to impossible for India to change its vote in March 2013, especially in the absence of any credible steps by Sri Lanka towards reconciliation and devolution.
It is both in India’s and Sri Lanka’s interest to get a full and final closure on these allegations. Not to do so will allow the wounds to fester.
Sovereignty has never succeeded in providing a cover against genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity. To suggest that India does not support country-specific resolutions is absurd. Even more, that we have a principled position on this.
In any perceived clash between principle and national interest, it is invariably the latter that is invoked and reigns supreme. Following the anti-Tamil riots in Colombo in 1983, New Delhi mustered sufficient courage to spearhead a resolution against Sri Lanka in the Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and the Protection of Minorities. We vote in favour of similar resolutions against Israel only because they deal with gross and systematic violations of human rights of Palestinian people in the occupied territories.
We have never hesitated to take a position on country-specific resolutions whether on DPRK or Iran, whenever our national interest so demanded.
To dismiss popular sentiment in Tamil Nadu as the machinations of politicians is both a misreading of the situation and a recipe for disaster. Why should Sri Lanka not be held to account for not respecting understandings given bilaterally to India, such as those of April-May 2009?
13th Amendment
India can be against the LTTE but cannot afford to be against the Tamils. The problem both amongst the Tamil minority in Sri Lanka and large sections of the Tamil population in India, is that the LTTE successfully manipulated Tamil opinion by projecting itself as the only physical shield against Sinhala repression. We cannot wish away this sentiment. The only safeguard for the Tamils in Sri Lanka is delivery of the promised devolution based on the 13th Amendment.
Both the AIADMK and the DMK, along with the smaller parties in Tamil Nadu are on the same page on the Sri Lanka issue. The problem will continue to fester till Colombo has a genuine change of heart. Recent signals are anything but encouraging. Defence Secretary Gotabaya Rajapaksa said on March 27, 2013: “Could we afford to have a provincial administration here, which pointed a gun at the national leadership at the drop of a hat? We don’t want to be at the mercy of scheming provincial administrations.” Let alone the 13th Amendment, the Defence Secretary seems to be suggesting the winding up of provincial councils altogether!
Notwithstanding assurances to India, the “Brothers” running Sri Lanka appear to have no intention to move on political reconciliation and devolution. This “majoritarianism” in total disregard of respecting and protecting the rights of minorities is a narrow and calibrated political strategy designed to safeguard Sinhalese parliamentary strength. The recent attacks on the Muslim trading community in the heart of Colombo by fanatic Sinhalese, allegedly led by Buddhist monks are manifestations of similar callous and cynical disregard for the rights of linguistic, religious and cultural minorities. India did the right thing by supporting the resolution on war crimes.
Exaggerated projections of Chinese inroads and influence are a bogey which many of our smaller neighbours periodically try on us. Apart from being practical, the Chinese are also hard headed. They will pursue economic and commercial opportunity irrespective of the way India votes. Support for Sri Lanka up to 2012 did not prevent them from looking for commercial projects there.
Many Chinese successes have something to do with our own inability to deliver commercial projects on time.
Sri Lanka is not only India’s closest neighbour but in many respects, culturally and emotionally, closest to us as well. We need to reach out to Colombo and drive home the point that it takes two to tango. Relations between countries are assiduously built, step by step. Unless Colombo treats its Tamil citizens with dignity and respect, New Delhi will continue to have limited options. If New Delhi continues to base its choices on misplaced “perceptions” and does not effectively articulate the reasons for the choices so made, only brickbats will be in the offing.
(Hardeep S. Puri is India’s former Permanent Representative to the United Nations in New York.)
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/w ... 595544.ece
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 09 Apr 2013 19:00
by Yogi_G
Jhujar wrote:Closer Economic Ties with India is an Economic Disaster
http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2013 ... -disaster/
Consider the data about tourist arrivals. 42% of tourists are Indians. But that does not say bulk of tourism revenue comes from Indian tourists. On the contrary, Indian tourists are thrifty spenders and contribute to a very small percentage of net tourism earnings. They also travel in Indian airlines depriving Sri Lanka any gain from their largest expense during their tour. A large number of Indian tourists come for short term employment. Their net contribution to the Sri Lankan economy is in the negative! nother cataclysm of Indian tourists is that
while some low spending Indian tourists occupy hotel rooms and tourist destinations, it deprives high spending European tourists. Local tour operators and hotels know this fact very well.
Very close to BENIS material. So the high spending super rich (errr...forget the economic crisis back home in Europe in a small reality distortion field) Europeans occupy the same rooms as the low spending Indian tourists?

Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 10 Apr 2013 04:10
by Javee
‘RSS at the service of Sri Lankan Tamils’: RSS Kshetra Karyavah Rajendran at CHENNAI
“RSS is silently doing its service in the affected North and East provinces of Sri Lanka. Total and detailed survey has been taken in 50 villages and rehabilitation work for 25 villages has been completed. Whatever the family in affected villages asks for is met with concern. For example, people there asked us for PVC pipes, cycles, roof sheets, cows, cattle, farming equipments etc. Service is done in the affected provinces of Mullai Theevu, Mannar, Yazhpaanam, and Vavuniya. Whatever the family requires, it is provided by us. Through Sewa International funds are collected and ‘Sewa International Lanka’ has been set up for helping these affected people there”.
http://samvada.org/2013/news/rss-at-the ... t-chennai/
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 10 Apr 2013 17:20
by Singha