Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 09, 2010

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Aug 2010 06:37

If you're reading this, you probably spend at least 10-15 minutes a day on matters related to Pakistan. Therefore, Pakistan presents an opportunity cost. What could you do with that time if Pakistan wasn't a menace?

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 31 Aug 2010 06:43

nowadays i only read three threads in BRF, you people can guess which ones

otherwise life would be so boring

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 31 Aug 2010 06:45

Pakistan is sheer entertainment.

To make matters worse, the scene of the crime was the home of cricket. Say what you want about the English, but they have done a lot for us since Pakistan was deprived of international cricket, going as far as to host a “home series” for us against Australia. It’s ironic how the title of the series was meant to represent the sincerity of the gesture: “Spirit of Cricket”. Talk about not doing justice to those ideals. If any team right now can be accused of disgracing the spirit of cricket, it’s ours. Our team literally walked into someone else’s home who gave them room and board, made themselves comfortable, and then proceeded to defecate all over it. {Pakistaniyat 101}

Condemn it because they want more than they deserve. It’s greed – plain and simple.[/b] {Pakistaniyat 102}

A more compelling argument is that of education. Amir, Asif, Kamran and many others are propelled into international stardom devoid of any scholastic fine-tuning. Schooling is not a priority for our players, and if one is bereft of the principles and disciple that comes with education it becomes harder to develop a moral compass. [/b] {Pakistaniyat 103}

If the mainstream cricketers are crooks, what does it say about the institutions that sponsor them?

[/b] {Pakistaniyat 104}

Hello, was Mush or Jinnah devoid of education?

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 31 Aug 2010 07:00

NYTimes

Page down the article and see this

Pakistani Officers Detained

A delegation of Pakistani military officers, traveling to the United States Central Command headquarters in Tampa, Fla., were detained for questioning by airport security agents after arriving at Dulles International Airport outside Washington, a Pakistani official said Monday night.

The officers were detained after one of them made what a flight attendant considered to be an “inappropriate remark” on the way to Dulles, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. That officer was removed from the flight after it landed, he said, and the rest were detained after they disembarked. They were later released. (An American military official confirmed the account.)

Members of the delegation of about eight officers, led by a two-star general, were offended by their treatment and canceled the meeting at Central Command, the official said. He said that Defense Department officials had apologized for the incident and that it was unclear whether the meeting would take place.

Kudos to the brave flight attendant who gave the jhapad to the sexist Terrorist Army pig. Shame on the Centcom suckups!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Aug 2010 07:49

Was this missed? Sabrina Tavernise in the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/world ... eudal.html

In Punjab, the country’s most populous province, and its most economically advanced, the number of national lawmakers from feudal families shrank to 25 percent in 2008 from 42 percent in 1970, according to a count conducted by Mubashir Hassan, a former finance minister, and The New York Times.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 31 Aug 2010 07:53

Pakistan: the bogey of Army rule
Anita Joshua

http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/31/stories ... 311300.htm

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 31 Aug 2010 08:10

FLOOD TIDES
by Steve Coll

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2 ... _talk_coll

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 31 Aug 2010 08:19

An interesting comment:

The Game is Rigged

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201 ... _is_rigged

AHSON HASAN

Signs of times, a reflection of the nation...
No offensive to anyone and no pun intended, the Pakistani cricket team is a reflection of the Pakistani nation as a whole.

I'm not trying to stereotype the people of Pakistan but this aggressive greed and incredible lust to make the most in the shortest possible time is pretty much ingrained in the Pakistani psyche.

Nothing seems to have worked out for Pakistan in the recent years - the infrastructure is pathetically outdated; Islam is as rigid as hell - unable to show any flexibility or compatibility with changing times; the country is a bundle of contradictions - there's absurd and abject poverty on the one hand and riches and glory on the other; bureaucrats are as ‘vulturous’ as leeches who can never stop sucking blood; politicians are as rotten as daylight robbers and killers. In a word, Pakistanis are eating away Pakistan and it seems as if they are accomplishing their nefarious objects!

The entire nation seems to be under a spell of criminalization. Pakistan is a horrific tribal culture where expecting anything to be done in a fair and just manner is nothing less than making a fool of oneself. People have a made a mockery of that country – whenever, whoever gets a chance will rip the system apart and run away with their spoils. That's the story of Pakistan - its people are opportunists serving their baseless, shallow, and meaningless interests that have created a disordered and a challenged monster that refuses to tame itself.

Amidst all this stink and rot, who can blame these crooks and criminals of the cricket mafia? They are exactly a portrayal of the how Pakistan is and what it has come to be. These Butts, Akmals, etc. are supposed to be Pakistan's ambassador's of goodwill. Their incessant desire to ‘enrich’ themselves has tarnished the already tainted image of a country that perhaps stands cornered and embarrassed in the comity of nations. They are just a bunch of puppies with no educational backgrounds or strength of character to back them up.

Pakistanis probably do not realize the sensitivity of the issues that are paralyzing the nation. I hear voices and read high-sounding slogans that don’t mean anything. The will to critically analyze the nation’s remarkable downslide is terribly missing in action.

Nations usually have good days and not-so-good days. It appears that Pakistan hasn’t had a good day for ages now. Pakistanis seem to be doomed, at least for now. It’ll take guts (and not guns), courage and lots of stamina from those who still dare to think, ponder and are willing to re-write its history to rescue Pakistan.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 31 Aug 2010 08:22

Thinking patterns of Pakistan's youth

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... tans_youth

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 31 Aug 2010 08:41

Considering the nature of the terrain in the Northern Territories as seen in the zoomed in images with tree lines (vanishing fast) they seem to be not that high in altitude as the eastern Himalayas. Well if logging is an industry in those regions they are perhaps no more than 5000 to 10,000ft above msl. Hardly any permanent ice cover either from the imagery compared to Siachen. It is quite possible that Siachen itself is probably not under a constant layer of ice and snow year round.

This makes me wonder why a serious attempt was never made to recover those areas in all three wars by India. They do not seem to be that difficult a terrain. Logging activities definitely indicates that and now all the mining too. Something does not add up. We have been fed with the idea that these are difficult areas to keep a hold on requiring massive expenditure.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 31 Aug 2010 08:57

Bade wrote:Considering the nature of the terrain in the Northern Territories as seen in the zoomed in images with tree lines (vanishing fast) they seem to be not that high in altitude as the eastern Himalayas. Well if logging is an industry in those regions they are perhaps no more than 5000 to 10,000ft above msl. Hardly any permanent ice cover either from the imagery compared to Siachen. It is quite possible that Siachen itself is probably not under a constant layer of ice and snow year round.

This makes me wonder why a serious attempt was never made to recover those areas in all three wars by India. They do not seem to be that difficult a terrain. Logging activities definitely indicates that and now all the mining too. Something does not add up. We have been fed with the idea that these are difficult areas to keep a hold on requiring massive expenditure.

Bade all those areas with trees are in river valleys with mountains going up over 12,000 feet on either side at least in Northern PoK. On the Indian side they rise towards mountains is even more steep with 18000 foot plus mountains. The treeline seems to stop around 8-9000 feet - which can be seen dramatically on Google earth imagery. Southern PoK appears relatively flatter and greener.

I think the only war in which retake of PoK was on the cards was in 1948-49. After the cease fire I believe India has stuck to the letter and spirit of the cease fire agreement. In 1965 I believe India actually lost territory in J&K and gained some in Pakjab. There is no evidence that I have seen to back the idea that India has any intention but to hold Pakistan in the west in 1971. 1999 was not even an acknowledged conflict by Pakistan and very localised.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 31 Aug 2010 09:17

Eternal enemity against the yindoos is their foreign policy,
"civilian, democratic government" not withstanding.

And yet our WKKs publicly prostrate themselves with "aman ki asha". Amazing!!

People to people contact indeed

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ugh-un-980

Indian aid should come through UN
By Baqir Sajjad Syed
Sunday, 29 Aug, 2010

ISLAMABAD: After dithering over the offer for days, Pakistan has finally come clean with its India-is-the-enemy stance and refused to directly accept India’s offer of $5 million in relief assistance for flood victims, suggesting instead that the aid be donated to the UN flood response appeal.
.................

While explaining Pakistan’s hesitancy in accepting the offer, Mr Qureshi had “referred to a different nature of relationship with India” and sensitivities involved in the matter. This perhaps was the most honest answer as it indicated that hostilities between the two countries had led to Islamabad’s reluctance.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 31 Aug 2010 09:45

Civil society to launch debt write-off campaign

The civil society on Monday announced to launch a campaign to demand an unconditional write-off of Pakistan’s massive external debt.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 31 Aug 2010 09:50

Looks like Pakistan as a nation is finished. What we have not is a client/rentier state that works for whoever pays them. Infact they have ceded control to China

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 31 Aug 2010 10:28

Anujan wrote:
Civil society to launch debt write-off campaign

The civil society on Monday announced to launch a campaign to demand an unconditional write-off of Pakistan’s massive external debt.

What is so civil about this civil society, They basically want the whole world to pay them Jaziya

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 Aug 2010 10:54

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakis will receive $1 Billion from ummah . Early Eid for jernails

Muslims donate nearly $1 billion to Pakistan

Pakis getting Jazia from Kuffurs was understood. But from ROPERS must be new. Or is this AID, which is never to be returned.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 Aug 2010 11:05

A_Gupta wrote:If you're reading this, you probably spend at least 10-15 minutes a day on matters related to Pakistan. Therefore, Pakistan presents an opportunity cost. What could you do with that time if Pakistan wasn't a menace?

Saar Ji,

Without Pakistan, where is the entertainment in the World, for us nanha mujahids.

amit · Post by **amit** » 31 Aug 2010 11:30

shravan wrote:8 die as bullets settle militants' argument over widow

What's appalling as far as this piece of news is concerned is that women are treated simply as chattel

'The widow was rich and after the incident of husband's death she was alone.{Meaning she lost her Master and so was in need of a "new" Master. Since she was "well endowed" (with money) the fight was on who got the first digs to be her "new" Master} The local Mehsud tribesmen took her into their custody and were aiming to arrange her marriage to one of their own men. Usman Punjabi objected and insisted she must be left to her own free will to select whether she wants to marry into the Mehsud tribe,' said a source who witnessed the event.

After the Muslim Ramadan breakfast Saturday morning, all militants belonging to Mehsud tribes and the Punjabi camp gathered in a local school in Dande Darpa Khail in North Waziristan near Afghanistan to discuss the widow.

Despite being "rich" the woman had no say on who she would marry, whether she would marry. Just a commodity like say a house or cow, and eight people die fighting over who would take possession of her?

What kind of animals are these?

Yo Parlurks think about this. Eight guys died not due to a crime of passion but because they couldn't decide how to distribute the property of a "pious" jihadi who died and was presumably enjoying his 72 and so forgot about the one he left behind.

Yaak thooo!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 31 Aug 2010 11:44

The Daily Mail, Pakistan
America 'Mocks' Chinese Aid to Pakistan at its Own Risk
http://worldmeets.us/thedailymail000001.shtml

"The Daily Mail advises the United States that it should focus on its own flood relief efforts and avoid criticizing China or trying to drive a wedge between two close friends. If they don't, it will prove counterproductive and breed more animosity toward the United States."

EDITORIAL

August 30, 2010

Pakistan - The Daily Mail - Original Article (English)
In a competitive world, where nations vie to outdo one another in development, growth and progress, even aid to countries in distress can fall victim to competition. With the worst natural calamity in its six and a quarter decade history, Pakistan is facing disaster and mayhem. The deluge struck the people of Pakistan unawares. The worst-ever torrential rains, combined with unprecedented flooding, aggravated by India’s release of excess dam water without prior warning, has resulted in a massive catastrophe. Over 17.5 million people have been displaced and 1,600 lives lost, with the death toll threatening to skyrocket due to disease, malnutrition and exposure to the elements.

The international community has been a bit late in responding to the crisis, mostly because it's unexpected enormity. This is a disaster of biblical proportions. But once the magnitude of the crisis was brought to the notice of the world and the U.N. secretary general himself visited the flood-stricken region, aid began to slow. The U.S. initially took the lead, followed by Britain and China.

However, The Daily Mail finds it abhorrent that some Western sources have begun listing countries based on the amount of pledged aid - as if there this were some kind of competition. What's worse was that U.S. officials, led by special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke, have been taunting other countries for not doing enough. Mr. Holbrooke’s special target has been China. His grouse is that, despite the U.S. providing material and monetary help to Pakistan, the majority of Pakistanis don't like the U.S. and prefer China as a friend. Mr. Holbrooke undiplomatically taunted Beijing, even asking “Where is Pakistan’s all-weather friend?”

Such mockery of true friends of Pakistan is entirely uncalled for, especially since China has been there for Pakistan at every juncture and at every moment of trial and tribulation, whereas the U.S. has provided aid when it suited U.S. interests, but has spurned it when it has not. America has even gone as far as imposing curbs, embargos and sanctions on its ally Pakistan.

Chinese support has come without strings. In the case of the recent flooding, China itself has been a victim, which included one of the worst mudslides in its history. These took the lives of 1500 people and affected over 10,000, yet it has bent over backwards to help its neighbor in distress. Pakistani Ambassador to China, Masood Khan, has expressed appreciation for China’s timely aid and rejected criticism of Beijing’s contribution.

“China was one of the first countries to respond to our relief needs when the worst flooding in 81 years came. China moved with speed,” the China Daily quoted him as saying. “It isn't fair for any country or person to make oblique references to China’s relief assistance to Pakistan or to urge it to do more,” he added.

Chinese aid has risen to over $20 million, composed mainly of tents, water purification plants and other things that the Pakistani people urgently need. In addition, a 55-member international search and rescue team arrived in Islamabad on August 26. The team, which includes 36 doctors and 19 technical personnel, also brought 25 tons of high-tech medical equipment and medicine worth $1.17 million. The team was transferred immediately to help people fight water-borne and other diseases in Thatta, in Sindh Province. It should be noted that the team comprises 35 female doctors to attend to the special needs of women affected by the floods. The Daily Mail advises the United States that it should focus on its own flood relief efforts and avoid criticizing China or trying to drive a wedge between two close friends. If they don't, it will prove counterproductive and breed more animosity toward the United States.

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 31 Aug 2010 12:01

pakis getting more jaziya from us

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/ ... relief.htm

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 31 Aug 2010 12:04

^^^ What a waste and sellout by this party in power.Shame.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 31 Aug 2010 12:06

^^^ Make Sonia Gandhi pay it from the money stolen on the pretext of the Commonwealth games.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 31 Aug 2010 12:15

^^^ Heck since this party is so sympathetic to the plight of Porkistan and radical M's they should shift to Porxistan lock, stock and barrel and provide some relief to the 'Aam Aadmi'.

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 31 Aug 2010 12:19

http://www.karachinews.net/story/678929

'Tainted' Pak players face hanging if found guilty by Lahore High Court for high treason

Seven Pakistani players, allegedly involved in the Lord's Test match-fixing scandal, are facing charges of high treason under Article 6 of the constitution, an offence punishable by death in the country.

It comes after a petition filed by Chaudhry Ishtiaq Ahmad, a lawyer, in the Lahore High Court requested to initiate proceedings against the cricketers.

According to The Daily Times, the petitioner stated that the players, by indulging in match fixing, had tarnished the image of the country.

"The players have seriously damaged the already-bad reputation of Pakistani players in the world of cricket and deserve severe punishment," the newspaper quoted Ahmad, as saying.

He insisted that all the accused players should be arrested on their return to Pakistan, adding that Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Ijaz Butt should also be included in the investigation.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 31 Aug 2010 12:28

Vril wrote:pakis getting more jaziya from us

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/ ... relief.htm

And this after they refused to accept the aid directly.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 Aug 2010 12:32

^^^ what image did the pakis have of themselves that has been tarnished.

Mauli · Post by **Mauli** » 31 Aug 2010 12:44

What kind of animals are these?

SEX SLAVERY

http://voiceofdharma.org/books/mssmi/ch12.htm

A change on the throne meant passing over to a new master, and if and when a ruler or noble lost power, slave girls sought shelter in fending for themselves. An example of this scenario given by us elsewhere pertains to the slave girls in the harem of Saiyyad Abdulla Khan of Saiyyad Brothers fame.82 On the fall of Abdulla Khan from power, “when in 1720, the intelligence of his captivity reached Delhi, his women, of whom he had gathered a large number around him, were in dismay: some of noble birth, remained in their places, but a good many made the best of time, and before the arrival of the royal guard (who would have taken them away also in escheat), they seized whatever they could, and disguising themselves with old veils and sheet, they took their departure.”83 This is the version of Khafi Khan. Mir Ghulam Husain Khan, the author of Siyar-ul-Mutakherin, also throws light on some other facets of the situation and therefore he needs to be quoted at some length. “The ladies of Abdullah-Khan’s family,” writes he, “far from quitting the house, remained within their own apartments, and covering themselves from head to foot with the veil of decency and modesty, sat weeping in a circle, without anyone offering to move or to escape the dismal scene around them… But some of the inferior females availed themselves of the confusion to carry off whatever came to hand, and stole away in disguise, wearing dirty clothes and common veils. These had disappeared before the government officers thought of taking possession of the palace of the Saiyyads. Some of these women were taken up by the police officers, but others effected their escape… One Abdullah-Khan, of Cashan in Persia, to whom Abdullah-Khan, his old friend and master, had intrusted the care of his seraglio, no sooner heard of the disaster that had befallen his benefactor, entering the sanctuary of the women, seized and carried away whatever persons and effects he chose…”84.

The above narrative correctly depicts the role of men and women slaves in a Muslim harem. Everything went off well in days of prosperity. When misfortune struck, the noble ladies suffered in silence, the ever-exploited slave girls fled without remorse, and the ‘confidant’ men slaves did not miss the opportunity to carry away women and indulge in unbridled sex slavery.”85

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 31 Aug 2010 12:44

Vril wrote:pakis getting more jaziya from us

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/ ... relief.htm

Oh great! Way to go GOI. At least MMS will get a good night's sleep now.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Aug 2010 12:50

WP.

Dutch question 2 men arrested at request of US

The Associated Press
Tuesday, August 31, 2010; 3:27 AM

THE HAGUE, Netherlands -- Dutch prosecutors say they are questioning two men arrested at Amsterdam's international airport at the request of American authorities who found a cell phone taped to a Pepto-Bismol bottle and a knife and box cutter in checked luggage connected with the men.

National prosecutor's office spokesman Martijn Boelhouwer says the two men were arrested Monday morning at Schiphol Airport and were being held there for questioning.

He said Tuesday the men were arrested by airport police after getting off a flight from Chicago and handed over to national investigators.

Boelhouwer declined to comment further, saying the investigation was still under way. Dutch authorities do not release the names of suspects in criminal investigations.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 31 Aug 2010 13:06

Dilbu wrote: Oh great! Way to go GOI. At least MMS will get a good night's sleep now.

And some votes in Bihar election's comforting and soothing to radical elements in the state and elsewhere.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 31 Aug 2010 13:09

xposting

(JEM's one)

sum · Post by **sum** » 31 Aug 2010 13:15

Dilbu wrote:
Vril wrote:pakis getting more jaziya from us

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/ ... relief.htm
Oh great! Way to go GOI. At least MMS will get a good night's sleep now.

Shhh...There is a massive Chankian move afoot here ( which will be duly explained on BRF by some "GoI is always Chankian" experts )!!!

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 31 Aug 2010 13:50

sum wrote:
Vril wrote:pakis getting more jaziya from us

Shhh...There is a massive Chankian move afoot here ( which will be duly explained on BRF by some "GoI is always Chankian" experts )!!!

is it some congkianess in this chankianess

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 31 Aug 2010 14:20

James B wrote:See this hilarious video where Paki anchors blame others for paki match-fixers getting caught.

Here is the whole video of the program.

India to be blamed for cronies

In the end Amir Sohail takes him apart saying your homework in not proper, wait till end .... Classic

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 31 Aug 2010 14:32

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 467271.cms

When MulayamYadav says that india should give 100 Crores to Pakistan, we all look heaven words
How is this any different?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Aug 2010 14:34

Akshut wrote:http://www.karachinews.net/story/678929

'Tainted' Pak players face hanging if found guilty by Lahore High Court for high treason

Seven Pakistani players, allegedly involved in the Lord's Test match-fixing scandal, are facing charges of high treason under Article 6 of the constitution, an offence punishable by death in the country.

In the last decade, the highest treason was by Musharraf but the courts let him off and also gave him 3 years to establish a civilian rule.

The Lahore High Court has released one after another dreaded sectarian terrorists of SSP who had been charged with scores of terrorist attacks and dozens of killings, has released Marriott Bombers for lack of evidence and released Hafeez Saeed several times citing various reasons.

And now, the same court will give death sentence to cricketers for making some money which is more aggravating than the above ?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 31 Aug 2010 14:42

James B wrote:See this hilarious video where Paki anchors blame others for paki match-fixers getting caught.

Fiesty babe.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 Aug 2010 14:49

SS sar,

Killing the less pure is not a crime in Land of the pure. But match fixing seems to be crime. In the highly evolved nation of Pakistan.

ShivaS · Post by **ShivaS** » 31 Aug 2010 14:55

And shiv guru lashes me saying that I blame Indians at the drop of ...

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 31 Aug 2010 15:33

anupmisra wrote:
James B wrote:See this hilarious video where Paki anchors blame others for paki match-fixers getting caught.
Fiesty babe.

Moral of the story : Never share your secrets with your woman!