Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 07 Feb 2011 02:29

partha wrote:Rape attempt at Punjab University hostel

Amin while speaking with The Express Tribune said that the student had most likely had a nightmare.

Quick! We need a BENIS term for this phenomenon asap and enshrine it in the BRF dictionary (on the same lines as vacuum bulb explosion).

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Feb 2011 02:31

Democratic government did not nullify acts of military ruler: Iftikhar Chaudhry

http://www.hindu.com/2011/02/07/stories ... 301300.htm

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Feb 2011 02:52

I'd like to see what the US view is. After all, US officials were there remote controlling the process, and one of their AP reporters will be fed some equal equal tit bits which they will dutifuly report.

If the reports so far are to be believed, I am happy too. Basically India said stop terror, TSP said kiss my ass, give me Kashmir. But for the moment, it does seem TSP has temporarily bottled up pigLeTs or has been forced to do so. Suits India just fine.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Feb 2011 03:27

Partitions, Kamleshwar, translated by Ameena Kazi Ansari, Penguin India, 2006, p.369+xi, Rs.350.

http://www.hindu.com/lr/2006/06/04/stor ... 110300.htm

I am trying to read the Hindi version of this book. It is kinda difficult to understand. Any reviews by members here? Is it historically accurate?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Feb 2011 06:38

Acharya wrote:
Gerard wrote:Zardari: India will have to give up Kashmir
Pakistan has to give up Pakistan

No, We dont want Pakistan, we want to own Paki Musharraf only.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 07 Feb 2011 07:32

Widow of man shot by American commits suicide in Pakistan

The widow of a man fatally shot by a U.S. diplomat in Pakistan died Sunday after swallowing pesticide pills, upset over what she saw as a lack of justice in the case, doctors and family members told CNN.

Kanwal's brother-in-law, Waseem Shamshad, said she was convinced justice would not be served in the case of her husband's death. It was an idea she expressed shortly before dying.

"I need justice. I need blood for blood," Kanwal said as she lay in a hospital bed, as reported by Dawn News, a local television channel. "He (Raymond Davis) should not be set free."

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 07 Feb 2011 07:35

Two shot dead in Pakistan

Islamabad, Feb 6 (IANS) A man in Pakistan's Sindh province shot dead his unmarried niece and a young man, who were apparently lovers, and described it as 'honour killing'.

Khuda Bakhsh Chandio first shot dead Roshan Ali Chandio, 28, in Sharifani village Saturday. He then fatally shot his 18-year-old niece Marvi who was busy in household work.

Chandio has been arrested and the gun seized from him, Dawn reported Sunday. The arrested man described the double murder as 'honour killing'.

Karo-kari, or 'honour killing', is a tradition whereby a man can kill a woman, claiming that she brought dishonour to the family, and still expect to be pardoned by her relatives.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Feb 2011 07:49

Will give Samjhauta details when have any, says Rao

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/wi ... ao/746797/

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Feb 2011 07:58

abhishek_sharma wrote:Democratic government did not nullify acts of military ruler: Iftikhar Chaudhry

From the above,

“The democratic government did not validate or condone the acts and actions taken by the military ruler, but at the same time, such acts/actions were not undone or nullified,” Mr. Chaudhry said, adding that it was the judiciary that brought an end to the constitutional deviation and established the rule of law and constitutionalism.

Can anything be more hypocritical than this ? First, it was the judiciary, of which Iftikhar Chaudhry was part and parcel and even took oath under a Provisional Constitution Order (PCO) the first time, that validated the Musharraf take-over and gave him time for three years to re-establish democratic rule. Suspension of the Constitution was accepted without as much as a whimper. Even by the then existing laws of the land, a coup was treasonous and death was the punishment. Besides, the Constitution expressly forbade servicemen from dabbling in politics. The judiciary condoned all these. Thus, a constitutional legitimacy was bestowed on the blatant usurpation of power by a military ruler who mounted a coup only because he was about to be dismissed as the Chief of Army Staff by a democratically elected Prime Minister. Then, by giving him powers to conduct elections, the judiciary also bestowed political legitimacy to him. The PCO also mandated that the judiciary not issue "any order against the Chief Executive or any person exercising powers or jurisdiction under his authority". This order effectively insulated the military Government's actions from judicial scrutiny. Much later, the Supreme Court even accepted the exile agreement between Musharraf, Nawaz Sharif and KSA as a valid document.

The Oath of Office Judges' Order 2000 which required all Court Justices to take an oath of allegiance to Gen. Musharraf's regime, was accepted by this very same Iftikhar Chaudhry. Refusing to swear allegiance to the military-led government, six Supreme Court Justices, including the Chief Justice, and nine Provincial High Court Justices, were removed from office. Honourable Iftikhar Chaudhry was *NOT* one of them. This happened a few days before the Supreme Court took up the hearing of the petitions challenging the military coup. On 12 May 2000, a Supreme Court reconstituted by the military executive as above, unanimously rejected a petition (Union Vs. Syed Zafar Ali Shah - PLD 2000 SC 869) challenging the coup and endorsed the coup's legitimacy under the doctrine of State necessity. The Court went on to describe the military take over as an, "extra-constitutional... (step taken by)... the Armed Forces for a transitional period to prevent any further destabilisation".

And, this Honourable CJP talks all these nonsense here.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Feb 2011 08:01

SSridhar wrote: And, this Honourable CJP talks all these nonsense here.

And we make exceptions for the honorable CJP

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Delhi ... ial/746945

An exception for Iftikhar Chaudhry
India made a rare exception to rules to accommodate Chief Justice of Pakistan Supreme Court Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry who arrived in Hyderabad on Saturday to attend the Commonwealth Law Conference. Hyderabad is not a direct point of entry for Pakistani nationals. But the Indian government allowed Chaudhry, who had taken on former president Pervez Musharraf, to fly in directly to the city from Dubai. Chaudhry delivered the keynote address at the conference on Sunday.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Feb 2011 08:05

abhishek_sharma wrote:Will give Samjhauta details when have any, says Rao

To which Bashir would have replied "Will give 26/11 details when we have any". End of the matter. This stalemate was what some people wanted and that has been achieved. The way is now cleared for talks because India was always claiming that no substantive talks can happen without progress in 26/11 prosecution. India has no longer any reason to complain and postpone talks. India, therefore,has a face-saving reason to restart the dialogue.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 07 Feb 2011 08:23

SSridhar wrote: I do not think the argument for going after the Haqqani Shura in N. Waziristan was to enable the drawdown of US forces deployed in Afghanistan. Such an action is warranted simply to reduce the hugely mounting US casualties and in the process to eliminate one more lever of the ISI. By all estimates, c. 2011 is expected to be even bloodier than last year for the Americans. Haqqani Shura is the most major source of American miseries.

S Sridhar,

Geography matters in this war, as in all others.

Please examine the statistics here, carefully;
http://icasualties.org/oef/ByProvince.aspx

Paktika in the east is the Afghan province that adjoins the Waziristans. It was one of the deadliest places in Afghanistan for NATO and American troops. Note what happened to casualties since the US unleashed the drones on the Haqqanis in the Summer of 2008.

Now compare US casualties in Pakitka to those in Helmand and Kandahar in the south. That is where the toughest fighting has been for the last two years. The drones can not strike the safe havens in Balochistan that sustain the Taliban.

A Pakistani operation in Waziristan as I said would allow a moderate draw down in the East.The other positive outcome would be a reduction on attacks on NATO supply convoys on the Pakistani side of the border around the Khyber Pass.

Neither of these things would change the situation in the South. That is why a PA op Waziristan only matters as a demonstration of political and diplomatic success for Obama in time for the 2012 elections.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 07 Feb 2011 08:45

Brad Goodman wrote:Widow of man shot by American commits suicide in Pakistan

Kanwal's brother-in-law, Waseem Shamshad, said she was convinced justice would not be served in the case of her husband's death. It was an idea she expressed shortly before dying.

"I need justice. I need blood for blood," Kanwal said as she lay in a hospital bed, as reported by Dawn News, a local television channel. "He (Raymond Davis) should not be set free."

I subscribe to the theory that she got administered rat poison via ISI-mark funnel, **after** she reached hospital.

If someone commits soosai because the "love of their life" got snatched away, they wont give a vengeful statement like the above. They will talk more about how the paki lowlife husband was nice and bought her an onion-oothappam or something during last anniversary etc. Instead she seemed to be asking for a halal style execution.

This unfortunate lady's death is being cynically used to paint her as a rabid jihadi bent on asking the american's blood. So looks like the american has one more person's blood on his hands, courtesy, the ISI.

Which brings up the question - who is he?

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 07 Feb 2011 08:48

SSridhar wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Will give Samjhauta details when have any, says Rao
To which Bashir would have replied "Will give 26/11 details when we have any". End of the matter. This stalemate was what some people wanted and that has been achieved. The way is now cleared for talks because India was always claiming that no substantive talks can happen without progress in 26/11 prosecution. India has no longer any reason to complain and postpone talks. India, therefore,has a face-saving reason to restart the dialogue.

Is there any other civilization in modern history that displayed this degree of "shooting on one's own foot" syndrome when dealing with enemy countries?

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 07 Feb 2011 08:51

hnair wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:Widow of man shot by American commits suicide in Pakistan

I subscribe to the theory that she got administered rat poison via ISI-mark funnel, **after** she reached hospital.

If someone commits soosai because the "love of their life" got snatched away, they wont give a vengeful statement like the above. They will talk more about how the paki lowlife husband was nice and bought her an onion-oothappam or something during last anniversary etc. Instead she seemed to be asking for a halal style execution.

This unfortunate lady's death is being cynically used to paint her as a rabid jihadi bent on asking the american's blood. So looks like the american has one more person's blood on his hands, courtesy, the ISI.

Which brings up the question - who is he?

This episode has "PAKI" written all over it... yet CNN decides to put it on its website....hmmm..

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Feb 2011 08:55

SSridhar wrote: To which Bashir would have replied "Will give 26/11 details when we have any". End of the matter. This stalemate was what some people wanted and that has been achieved. The way is now cleared for talks because India was always claiming that no substantive talks can happen without progress in 26/11 prosecution. India has no longer any reason to complain and postpone talks. India, therefore,has a face-saving reason to restart the dialogue.

This implies that there are two possibilities:

(a) If GoI wants progress in 26/11 case, there will be leaks to discredit the current line of investigation in Samjhuata case.

(b) Otherwise, GoI will stop asking for progress in 26/11 and "progress on terrorism" will be redefined as cross-border infiltration in J&K. Gradual downhill skiing.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 07 Feb 2011 08:59

This "Raymond Davis" episode was reportedly an ISI revenge op gone bad. Kayani and Pasha have been playing shadow boxing with the Americans for a while. This guy was allegedly on a scouting job for CIA in pursuit of an Al Qaeda tip which turned out to be a trap. Instead of being a helpless hostage, the guy tried to shoot his way out of the spot.

Given the already plummeting ISI-CIA ties, this thing cannot but push things further down.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Feb 2011 09:02

Charlie wrote:
This episode has "PAKI" written all over it... yet CNN decides to put it on its website....hmmm..

The reason why the "Wills Filter made for each other" contest is no longer held is because the USA and Pakistan won the trophy so many times they get to keep it permanently.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Feb 2011 09:05

A_Gupta wrote:On 10% acquiring a partner.
See the comments, too.
http://cafepyala.blogspot.com/2011/02/w ... erved.html

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Feb 2011 09:08

Charlie wrote: Is there any other civilization in modern history that displayed this degree of "shooting on one's own foot" syndrome when dealing with enemy countries?

I doubt it. But how was this fraud concocted I don't understand. Did MMS & Sonia summon their side-kicks and tell them, look, we want to make up with our Paki lovers. Now come up with a strategy to score a self goal so we can hide behind that. I mean how, when, and who are the players involved in coming up with this self goal. Its the duty of the media to ask all these tough questions. Heck, in US, Obama's patriotism is put to test by asking if he watches the superbowl or not

. Indian nationalism need not go that far, but at least the media should proble this kind of self goal sell out.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Feb 2011 09:10

CRamS wrote: Its the duty of the media to ask all these tough questions.

Really? I am sure Niira Radia would disagree with you.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Feb 2011 09:18

shiv wrote:The reason why the "Wills Filter made for each other" contest is no longer held is because the USA and Pakistan won the trophy so many times they get to keep it permanently.

Brilliant, to say the least.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Feb 2011 09:28

SSridhar wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Will give Samjhauta details when have any, says Rao
To which Bashir would have replied "Will give 26/11 details when we have any". End of the matter. This stalemate was what some people wanted and that has been achieved. The way is now cleared for talks because India was always claiming that no substantive talks can happen without progress in 26/11 prosecution. India has no longer any reason to complain and postpone talks. India, therefore,has a face-saving reason to restart the dialogue.

Which in turn goes on to bolster the point that the Hindoo terror in Samjhauta Blasts case is a political creation by the Congressi government dirty works department.
The diplomats who have to do the hard work eg, Nirupama Rao are now stuck with giving out a few run of the mill answers.
It appears that GoI has bound the hands of the diplomats with its Hindoo terror self goal.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 07 Feb 2011 09:37

Rangudu wrote:This "Raymond Davis" episode was reportedly an ISI revenge op gone bad. Kayani and Pasha have been playing shadow boxing with the Americans for a while. This guy was allegedly on a scouting job for CIA in pursuit of an Al Qaeda tip which turned out to be a trap. Instead of being a helpless hostage, the guy tried to shoot his way out of the spot.

Given the already plummeting ISI-CIA ties, this thing cannot but push things further down.

So it is like many here suspected. It was an ISI operation. Now, if only the pakis had some balls and refused to release Davis, the show might have gone on longer and soured the ties even more. Still, I guess the ISI is smarting from having two its operatives killed, so they have to do something to preserve their H&D.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Feb 2011 09:41

It seems that someone really immature is running congress policy these days.

These bozos try out a few dirty tricks at home with an eye on the next elections, and they don't seem to have the foresight to see that it will have a blowback on the country's national interests and international relations.

The pakistanis as it is desperate to escape the 26/11 dragnet find this very convenient indeed and convert this to an == .

Zimble onlee.

Now if only we could find out which congressi did this. Probably someone in the close circle. Rahul baba and diggy? Pranab da? Or some second rung chamcha? Who the phuck?
On his part Rahul baba has been itching to go after Hindoo terror for ages now. This Hindoo terror line doesn't seem to be particularly well though out, seems to be the work of a novice, and might even blow up in kangressi faces if the wily dirty tricks dept of the BJP gets into action.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Feb 2011 10:02

Has TSP released Raymond Davis yet? They will do it quietly without much fan fare so as to minimize loss of etch-&-dee

saip · Post by **saip** » 07 Feb 2011 10:07

He will probably escape from custody while enroute to the court and two or three paki pandus will get the boot.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Feb 2011 10:07

This preserving the H&D and begging is a seemless operation for the Pakis.

The initial wailing wifey who commits suicide (I suspect murder at the hands of the ISI), is going to be milked by the Pakistani diplomats to shame the americans that we released Davis, and his pooooooooooooor wife committed suicide. The pakistanis are going to use this argument in discussions with the americans to get some minor concession. And then there will be some greedy begger who will softly ask the americans to give some monetary relief to the late wifey's children and, err route the money via them.

Of course the poor woman died, we all know what supreme standards pakistan's health care industry maintains. Their hospitals and doctors don't want to stand in the way of people achieving their 72 virgins and eternal bliss.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Feb 2011 10:09

saip wrote:He will probably escape from custody while enroute to the court and two or three paki pandus will get the boot.

No. He will be released. Only LeT/Dawood-type people escape from custody.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Feb 2011 10:10

Raymond Davis will be released and there will probably be a media tamasha. The agencies will let that media tamasha happen so that the US SD can be shamed a bit more internationally. This is a godsent opportunity for the Pakistanis, and they will milk it to the hilt.

Not only will they try their level best to shame the US, but will also use this to extract further jaziya from them at their terms, and routed the way that suits the Generals best to embezzle.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Feb 2011 10:14

Foreign investment surges in country
http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=19003

Foreign investment continued in the local markets despite fluctuating trend persists in the markets during the week, Dunya News reported on Sunday. Foreign investment continued in the local markets despite fluctuating trend persists in the markets during the week, Dunya News reported on Sunday. During the week, Pakistani firms have sold bonds and shares worth 11.6 millions dollars. According to SBP, during the current fiscal year, the inflow in special convert able accounts have been recorder $198 millions. These accounts used to buy, T bills, Pakistan investment bonds.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 07 Feb 2011 10:20

The whole idea of "Hindu terror" bogey was to pin down opposition and smooth ride for Kangress with minorities. Unfortunately with run away inflation and massive scams and total dereliction of governance by MMS govt, the whole plan has failed at national level but it has given
ammo to external parties like TSP to cry wolf whenever next time terror strikes India.
The fear as someone mentioned earlier is that someday this bogey might become reality.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 07 Feb 2011 10:22

Question is if Raymond Davis was on diplomatic visa or business visa as some of the Paki newspapers have hinted.
With LHC having a Talibani mind of its own, I wonder how this intended release be played out.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Feb 2011 11:00

Johann, geography does matter but for entirely different reasons. The insurgency in Afghanistan revolves around three major pillars, the Kandahari Taliban Shura operating from Quetta-Chaman-Spin Boldak-Karachi pivot; the Haqqani Shura operating out of North Waziristan and Khost; and Hekmatyar's Hizb-e-Islami operating from Mohmand, Bajaur, Kunar & Nuristan provinces. This does not mean that the influence of these shuras extended only to their immediate neighbouring province across the border into Afghanistan. The Haqqani shura operates all over Afghanistan, except in the north perhaps. Both South & North Waziristans have been training grounds for the Taliban where all sorts of training including preparations for suicide bombing has been provided. The Taliban then fan out to all corners of Af-Pak. Geography does not limit their mobility. The 'bandit country' of Waziristan trains not only the Faisal Shehzads of Times Square fame but also those who come on jihad tourism (Sauerland Cell, for example) from all corners of the world, especially Europe. All sorts of AQAM leaders are ensconced there, planning and directing operations. The Indian Embassy attack at Kabul (twice) was planned from here. A Sep. 2007 report by the United Nations said that 80% of the suicide bombers in Afghanistan came from the Waziristan region of Pakistan and we know that Ustad-e-Fidayeen Qari Hussein Mehsud operates from there (in spite of conflicting claims on his killing). As recently as late September, 2010, the UK Government announced that a Mumbai-style terrorist attack planned on certain cities in the UK, France and Germany was thwarted through CIA’s drone attacks which we know took place in N. Waziristan. No wonder, the Taliban refer to N. Waziristan as 'Islamic Emirate'. So, going after the assets located there is an imperative, not a choice.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Feb 2011 11:07

putnanja wrote:Still, I guess the ISI is smarting from having two its operatives killed, so they have to do something to preserve their H&D.

Which will be to mount an operation against India with the LeT.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 07 Feb 2011 11:17

S. Sridhar,

The suicide bomber factories are in North Waziristan, as are the planning for high profile attacks, whether on the Indian embassy or high level Afghan targets.

These attacks are good at inspiring fear, and eliminating that stronghold would make it harder to plan and execute such spectaculars. Hard, but not impossible. Those kinds of attacks still take place within Iraq despite the collapse of Al Qaeda's emirates in Anbar and then Diyala.

However the insurgency in Afghanistan is a great deal more than that - it takes a substantially larger amount in men and supplies to actually take control of populations, and to actually challenge NATO and Afghan forces for control of territory. The logistics involved are much more substantial than the intelligence type operations behind high profile attacks.

Baluchistan is the key to the south, but it can't really be touched by Hellfires. The US response has been to pour troops in to the South and conduct a relentless campaign of SOF raids backed by conventional troops along with a number of other measures. The Taliban has fled back across to the Pakistani side.

The Pakistanis are hoping that once the surge is done, the Taliban can push back, discredit Obama's entire strategy, and undermine US political will to remain in the war. Waziristan is a red herring that both sides are waving about.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Feb 2011 11:18

CRamS wrote:Has TSP released Raymond Davis yet? They will do it quietly without much fan fare so as to minimize loss of etch-&-dee

No, not yet. But, the Lahore High Court could put one spoke in the wheel. Let's remember that it is a jihadi-pasand court and has already barred the Government from taking actions on the Davis issue.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Feb 2011 11:34

Nirupama calls for patience with India-Pakistan talks

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 163956.ece

Speaking to the media a day after Foreign Secretary level talks, the first ice breaker this year, Ms. Rao did not want to disclose further details "at the moment’’ about her 90-minute meeting with her Pakistani counterpart Salman Bashir late last night.

Yeah, transparency is not really needed in a democracy.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Feb 2011 11:47

http://www.mea.gov.in/mystart.php?id=530217145

Foreign Secretaries of India and Pakistan meet at Thimphu

February 06, 2011

In pursuance of the mandate given by the Prime Ministers of India and Pakistan, following their meeting in Thimphu in April, 2010 and the meeting of the Minister of External Affairs of India and Minister of Foreign Affairs of Pakistan in Islamabad in July, 2010, the Foreign Secretaries of India and Pakistan met in Thimphu on February 6, 2011, to carry forward this process. The Foreign Secretaries had useful and frank discussions on the steps required to be taken in this context. They agreed on the need for a constructive dialogue between India and Pakistan to resolve all outstanding issues. They affirmed the need to carry forward the dialogue process. They will brief their respective Governments on their discussions.

Thimphu
February 6, 2011

The "spirit of Thimphu" is well-known. Let us just recall what happened then.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2010/04/2 ... 5420100429

"The idea was on renewal of dialogue; to understand the state of affairs," Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao told a news conference after the meeting.

"There was a lot of soul-searching here. The searchlight is on the future, not on the past."

...

"I don't think either side was expecting such a positive turn in dialogue," Qureshi told reporters. "It was a step in the right direction and it was in the right spirit."

...

But Thursday's meeting signaled New Delhi was willing to shift from its well-entrenched position on resuming talks with Rao saying the focus was how to carry the dialogue forward to resolve "all issues of concern."

"I do not think we have to get stuck with nomenclature. Both sides agreed dialogue was the only way forward," she said when asked if these talks were not in effect resumption of the broader peace dialogue India suspended after the Mumbai attacks.

Qureshi said the present round of talks were unconditional and all issues between the two countries were on the table.

"The two prime ministers have agreed to resume a dialogue process that remained suspended for so many months," he said, without giving further details.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 07 Feb 2011 12:33

Someone pls tell me without any hyperbole as what exactly is Govt of India discussing with TSP ?