J&K News and Discussion-2011

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 25 Apr 2013 13:46

Anti-India elements taking over Kashmir University

What happened on the Kashmir University campus on April 20, had perhaps never happened in the past in the so-called house of learning. The point, however, is the dangerous and seditious interaction between Dibyesh Anand, Associate Professor of International Relations, University of Westminister, London, and faculty of Kashmir University and students. The topic of discussion was “Politics of Security Development and Democracy”. The so-called Professor of International Relations, Anand, did not come to the University of Kashmir on his own to advocate sedition against India. Obviously, he was invited by this university, which could be legitimately termed as a hub of anti-India activities.

I have no other alternative but to reproduce verbatim some of the relevant portions from what he said for which he was applauded by the University of Kashmir, its faculty members and students who interacted with the enemy of India, Anand. He, inter-alia, said: “The people need to mind that fighting on a united front is the only option before them to fight the ‘occupational forces’ (read India and Indian Army). They should not show each other in a bad light but to engage in a manner that does not allow the State to divide and rule them. ‘State boundaries change. They come, collapse and disappear’…Kashmiris have failed to present themselves beyond a narrow circle and need some creative ways to resist…any kind of political movement takes time, but what people need is patience and work towards that in a disciplined manner. Education, organisation, resistance are the important tools in any fight but at the same time people have to be accommodative to the colonial occupation. People need to preserve culture and religion in their right as the State uses it as their tools in suppressing people”.

Anand, like pro-separatist Gautam Navlakha, Radha Kumar, A G Noorani and Arundhati Roy, who renounced Indian citizenship long back condemning India, further said: “In Kashmir, rapes have been used as warfare for a very long time to strengthen the ‘occupation’. They (India) want to remind you that you are weak and they are the dominant and will remain so. Rape is a warfare used by army in Kashmir particularly in 1990’s. Kashmiris’ are not alone in this, but about 80 per cent of the people in India are victims of the State. What is abnormal is normal in North East States, including Kashmir…People should learn from each other and get inspiration from each other. People fighting in Kashmir need to get inspiration from people of Tibet or Palestine without expecting each others help as there are many limitations. Kashmiris should not expect the Dalai Lama to talk for them as it would be unethical as the Lama will not be in a position to do so”.

Pro-separatist, perverted Hindu and an agent of hostile nations Anand did not stop just there. He further said: “People need to use all those tools that the occupational force uses to challenge the State. We don’t have the luxury to get what you want. You have to organise and resist in a very creative way and subvert the state when you can…Sate is capable of doing anything. National security is a ‘very good excuse’ to justify all kind of inhuman operations on its people. Democracy is a tool to question the various actions of the State, but the security is used to prevent that questioning. Democracy is also ‘azadi’, but not the false democracy found in India where leaders are informal colonisers. We have to bring a new kind of ‘azadi movement’ that challenges the State and also challenges the existing leadership that tries to use your sentiments and aspirations to line up their own pockets or to assert themselves as the only leaders…People fighting for ‘azadi’ have to be ‘very creative and organise strategically’. They are capable of making azadi of ‘graveyard’…India will always remain neurotic about Kashmir as they believe that ‘Kashmiris’ do not like them and are not like them”.

There is no need to explain what Anand said, as the meaning of what he said is crystal clear. Suffice it to say that he belongs to that school of thought to which Navlakha, Noorani, Roy, Radha, to mention only a few, belong. Navlakha is a fan of Geelani and a votary of Kashmir’s secession from India. Noorani wants New Delhi to follow the late French President General de Gaulle, who once told his advisors: “If you wish to forge a lasting peace (in Algeria), talk to those who are firing on your soldiers; never negotiate with those with no blood on their hands because they are irrelevant”. Roy, too, is a great admirer of Geelani. She wants New Delhi to quit Kashmir forthwith. And Radha wants New Delhi to “amend the Indian Constitution to accommodate the Kashmirs’ ‘azadi demand’. She had assured some students of Kashmir University in October 2010, itself that she and her senior colleague Dilip Padgaonkar would approach the concerned authorities in New Delhi to persuade them to accommodate their ‘azadi’ demand.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 01 May 2013 22:42

X-posting from TSP thread:

PoK leaders seek India’s help in fight against Pak

WHILE India has been extremely sensitive about being seen to be getting involved in Pakistan’s internal affairs, a number of political groups in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) have now been openly seeking New Delhi’s help in their fight against what they describe as their persecution by Islamabad.

Their argument is simple. Officially, India continues to consider the whole of Kashmir, including the areas under Pakistan control, as its own territory and therefore it becomes its duty to protect them against a foreign aggressor, which is how they describe Pakistan.

A motley group of these political leaders and intellectuals from areas around Gilgit and Baltistan in PoK, referred to as Northern Areas by Pakistan, assembled in New Delhi to participate in a two-day international seminar on ‘Society, Culture and Politics in the Karakoram Himalayas’ that was dominated by tales of discrimination and persecution of the people in these areas at the hands of Pakistan’s civilian and military establishment.

“I am surprised that India has no concern about what is happening in Gilgit and Baltistan. Pakistan has been openly supporting and encouraging militants in Indian Kashmir and New Delhi doesn’t even want to keep contact with areas that are officially still a part of its own territory,” said Abdul Hamid Khan, chairman of Balawaristan National Front, a political party whose objective is to gain independence from Pakistan. Balawaristan is the historic name for Northern Areas.

Khan, like most other political leaders from the region, lives in exile in Europe. He said the Indian position was even more surprising considering the fact that most political formations in the area were now open to a merger with India.

“Even an independent Balawaristan is in larger interest of India as it would not support terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir,” he said.

Shaukat Kashmiri, leader of the United Kashmir National People’s Party, one of the largest political formations in the region, also spoke about a reunification with India. His party had started out as Jammu and Kashmir National People’s Party in 1985, but changed its name in 1993 to stress the pan-Kashmiri nature of the organisation.

Kashmiri, who has been ‘kidnapped’ twice by the ISI, has been operating out of Switzerland for the past few years.

Though the leaders from PoK complained about the Indian insensitivity to their concerns, it was quite clear that the seminar had the blessings of India’s official establishment.

Prime Minister’s Special Envoy on Climate Change Shyam Saran made the inaugural address at the seminar which was also attended by quite a few former diplomats, Army officials and intellectual community.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 01 May 2013 22:57

Anindya wrote:Anti-India elements taking over Kashmir University

Yawn, nothing new. Indian and indian-origin leftists have been at it for 20-30 yrs.

arun · Post by **arun** » 24 May 2013 08:08

Mohammadden Cleric of the “Sufi” variety involved in running “a residential institution for girls which offered short duration courses in religious studies” accused of paedophilia:

Kashmir's self-styled godman arrested for rape of young girls

Followers of the Mohammadden Cleric accused of paedophilia protest and allege Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden “personal vendetta” by other Mohammadden scholars behind accusation:

“Rapist” Dervishs Followers Protest, Cry Foul In Kashmi

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 24 May 2013 08:19

Are there Godmans in Islam? Is it islamic?

Why this specific word 'Godmans' instead of cleric? A Telugu new paper called him Wamy without even mentioning that he is an Islamic Swamy.

Gift of secularism perhaps.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 24 May 2013 17:19

4 soldiers and a militant killed today in Pulwama, Kashmir. This is getting ridiculous.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 24 May 2013 17:26

RIP Brave souls

arun · Post by **arun** » 25 May 2013 06:49

X Posted from the “Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013” thread.

After the depredations of Islamic Republic of Pakistan aided "Non - State Actors" turn of the " State Actors".

Ceasefire violation in Kashmir by Pakistan, Brigadier, 2 jawans injured

member_23692 · Post by **member_23692** » 04 Jun 2013 03:05

An unusually fair and balanced article in Western media, by Alan Kay. Although this was buried deep in the recesses of internet back in the netherland (not holland). No other Western or Eastern media has covered this story, certainly not the "Free Indian Media"

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... rmination/

Jonathan Kay: Pakistan’s toxic obsession with Kashmir is still generating fresh victims

Maharaja Hari Singh, who acceded the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India in 1947

Pakistan is beset by such a bewildering array of militant political and religious movements that it is sometimes difficult to keep them straight. The most spectacular events — such as last week’s drone-strike killing of Waliur Rehman, a major Pakistani Taliban leader — make the front pages in the West. But many others do not.

That is the case with Arif Shahid, a 62-year-old Kashmiri political leader who was gunned down on May 15 near Islamabad, after he’d met with an NGO that promotes a peaceful settlement of the Kashmir question. His killing received some scattered coverage in Western media outlets, including the BBC. But it deserved wider attention, because it represents a new threat to Pakistan and the nations that sit on its bloody borders.

In many ways, Kashmir is a microcosm of Islamic civilization’s self-destructive tendencies in this part of the world. When India and Pakistan became separate entities in the late 1940s, Kashmir’s maharaja (pictured above) wavered between the two regional giants. It was only when Pakistani-supported guerrillas came flooding into Kashmir that he sought terms with India, which took control of most of the contested territory.

Pakistan’s obsession with control of Kashmir lies at the root of many of its modern pathologies: The jihadi groups now sowing chaos and mass murder in Pakistan and Afghanistan got their start in Kashmir as proxy forces supported by the Pakistani military and its intelligence branch. The deployment of these forces became a toxic manifestation of Pakistan’s obsession with incorporating local Muslim populations into its land mass — a spirit that continues to affect Pakistan’s hegemonistic relationship with Afghanistan.

But it is important to remember that the enduring political — and sporadically paramilitary — battle over Kashmir is not a simple fight between Pakistan and India: There is a large swathe of public opinion in Kashmir that seeks independence from both countries.

Indeed, Arif Shahid was a champion of that very cause. His All Parties National Alliance (APNA) sought the creation of a new state, and sought to end Pakistani rule and military oversight in western Kashmir (which is divided into quasi-autonomous entities known as Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan). He wanted no part in the pointless terrorist campaign waged by Sunni militants against India on Kashmiri soil — and often spoke of Pakistan as a “colonial” power in the region. This infuriated the Pakistanis, who tried to prevent him from traveling, and accused him of “anti-state activities.” It is unknown whether the Pakistani military or its proxies had involvement in his killing. But it would surprise no one if they did.

The history of Kashmir is complex, and whole books have been written about the fateful period in the late 1940s, when this physically magnificent part of the northwestern Indian subcontinent was divided in the way it was. But whatever the rights and wrongs of what happened more than six decades ago, one can understand why even many local Kashmiri leaders have grown weary of the violence and dysfunctionality that is now part of daily Pakistani life.

Indeed, the murder of Shahid shows that things are getting worse: The lives of enemy “infidels” are regarded as cheap among Sunni militants. But Shahid wasn’t an Indian stooge. He was merely someone agitating politically for self-determination. And his killing is a big event: It is the first time a pro-Kashmir independence figure has been targeted for assassination in this way.

Notwithstanding this year’s relatively peaceful election in Pakistan, the larger pattern in this country is unmistakably grim: Anyone who deviates in any way — whether theologically or politically — from hardline Islamo-nationalist rhetoric is seen as a potential target. The killers who struck down Shahid have simply given Kashmiris one more reason to reject Pakistani rule.

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sum · Post by **sum** » 06 Jun 2013 13:57

Intel operation gone wrong?
Cop wanted to kill terrorists who beheaded jawans

Sub-inspector Shiv Kumar Sharma alias Sonu, arrested for allegedly plotting a grenade attack at a police station in Doda, was working on a plan to kill the terrorists involved in beheading of two jawans along with Pak soldiers in Mendhar sector on January 1.
Sonu was shown the video
clip of beheading of army personnel by his source Abdul Rashid, alias Abdullah, a top terrorist of Lashkar-e-Taiba who was involved in a number of killings and had surrendered before him in 2008, and was subsequently released on bail.

Sonu along with a head constable was arrested on Monday by the police after five accused arrested earlier had told the police that they were supplied arms and ammunition by Sonu to revive terrorism in the district.

According to sources, Abdullah, who was in regular touch with Sonu, had only recently in their secret meeting had shown him the video clip of beheading the soldiers.

"Sonu, who had killed about 70 terrorists individually, was incensed after seeing the video. He made it a point to kill them. As part of the plan, he asked Abdullah to bring the terrorists involved in the beheading incident to Doda district. He had planned to eliminate them here," said a source, wishing not to be named. The source had the video clip. Abdullah had demanded money for it to which Sonu agreed.

As part of the plan, Abdullah called his mentor Khubed, a top LeT terrorists operating across the border, to send some terrorists in the district to revive terrorism.

"Khubid told Abdullah that he first has to make some terrorist strikes to convince them that he is still active after which the terrorists can be send," said the source.

Sources said Abdullah had specifically asked for terrorist involved in beheading of Lance Naik Hemraj and Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh.

Shouldnt this jawan actually be rewarded?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Jun 2013 15:02

I lawys felt that SI Shiv Kumar Sharma's arrest was wrong and a person who could have done so much and faced so many situations face-to-face could not be a traitor. To me it appears a case of some insiders who were either jealous of SI Sharma or treasonous or both effected this arrest.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 06 Jun 2013 16:14

^^^

It seems that this was a deliberate act to get SI Sharma to be arrested and then put behind bars. It is a part of a long term plan to weaken the hold of Police on the state.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jun 2013 03:09

Its part of unearthing the "saffron" network. And most likely in cahoots with Badmash.

Note how they slip in LKA's name to bolster the connection.

wig · Post by **wig** » 14 Jun 2013 17:40

an article on What motivates Kashmir’s youth to become militants?

They are in their early 20s, well educated and have earned themselves the name of new-age militants. It is tough to find an answer to Chief Minister Omar Abdullah’s question as to what motivates them to become militants.

Omar said yesterday that the trend of well-educated youth becoming militants was a “cause of concern” and there was a need to analyse what motivated them.

The evidence available with The Tribune points out that religion was the key motivating factor, which along with a sense of injustice-both perceived and real-was convincing these young men to take to the path of militancy.

Hilal Ahmad Rather, a scholar in Islamic law from the famed Deoband seminary in Uttar Pradesh, and Muzumil Amin Dar, a technician at the region’s leading hospital, first met in jail in 2010 after they were separately arrested by the police and later detained without trial under the Public Safety Act.

The police records show Hilal was arrested for “stoking” stone pelters in his native Palhalan village of north Kashmir, Muzumil was arrested, according to his family, when some unknown gunmen dumped weapons in their house compound in Sopore town. The police has termed the family’s claim as “far from truth” and said Muzumil had already figured in various militancy incidents when he was arrested.

In an undated video, Hilal, aka Mufti Hilal - then a civilian - is seen addressing a gathering at his village and expresses his motivation for life and death. “Let India’s dark empire listen to this, let the agents listen to this,” Hilal says in a speech, “We will say this till our death, it will be either martyrdom or it will be Shariyat (Islamic rule)”.

The concept of “Shahadat ya Shariyat (Martyrdom or Islamic rule)”, which Hilal referred to in his speech, has become a focal point of many global Islamist militant movements in recent years.

Hilal was killed in a brief gunfight in Srinagar’s old city on May 23 this year.

Last year in October, Muzumil, aka Hashaam and Urfi, along with a Pakistani militant Abdullah Shaheen was killed in an encounter in his native Sopore town. Through the night of the encounter, when gunfight was raging, Muzumil called his family. “Follow Islam completely until you live,” Muzumil told his family in his last message, hours before he was killed.

“There is nothing to worry. We shall all meet in Jannah (paradise). This life is too short, how long will it last. You too have to die, we too have to die. Some go early and some go later, rest Allah will do everything right. Tell everyone (in the family) to be patient and not to cry at all,” he says in a calm tone.

Muzumil’s father Mohammad Amin Dar confirmed the conversation was authentic saying his militant son had already suffered a gun-shot wound and was bleeding while he was talking to family and asking them to be steadfast on Islam.

A senior police official, who keeps a regular track of militant activities across Kashmir region, said religious radicalisation is one of the factors motivating the militants.

“It is definitely one of the factors, though not the (only) factor,” the officer said adding that motivations usually vary from one case to another. “There are different motivations and there is no specific pattern. What motivated these educated new militants we are trying to ascertain that,” he said.

The officer, however, said that some part of the motivation may come from perceived or real injustices felt or experienced by these young men.

“Islamic awakening, what may be called as Islamic radicalization. They are not secular militants as some of the militants were in the past,” another officer said.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2013/20130614/j&k.htm#9

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 15 Jun 2013 03:15

Unfortunately no one is willing to call out this big elephant in the room called as "Islam". This whole radicalization is due to real understanding of Islam by ordinary folks. Now a mullah can't teach them incorrect version of Islam and keep them silent. What these youths across the world are following is the real Quran and Hadees. Just because you and me dont like it doesn't make it non-fascinating.
That Terrorism is now a big business for lot many people is also completely forgotten.
No one ever says what is this perceived injustice other than being free Lunchers and pampering by the state.

PS: The last line was incredulous.."Secular militant"..Seriously.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Jun 2013 02:22

In line with above..
What happens when stone-pelters are recruited to become policemen?

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nigh ... 84442.html

Jammu and Kashmir police faced major embarrassment when hundreds of cadets of police training school Manigam, Ganderbal, 30 km northwest of Srinagar, went on a night long rampage, from late on Wednesday or early Thursday morning, smashing school property and vehicles on the Srinagar-Leh highway.

Police sources said cadets damaged school property and later took to Srinagar-Leh highway blocking traffic accusing police higher-ups for delay in their passing out parade.

"Their passing out parade was scheduled in February. But due to law and order situation in February the passing out parade was not conducted. They held protest last night against delay in their passing out parade," the Minister of State for Home, Sajjad Kichloo, said.

Incidentally, the situation was tense in February this year as protests broke out across the valley after hanging of the Parliament attack convict, Muhammad Afzal Guru, in Tihar jail, on February 9.

The Minister said his Ministry was looking into the issue and it would soon come up with passing out parade date for these cadets.

Police sources said simmering anger among cadets over delay in passing out parade for past one year burst out when they were ordered to go for Amarnath yatra duty.

Police sources said they refused to comply with the order and went for protest saying they will go for duty only after passing out parade.

{Isn't this mutiny? But then they didn't pass out so can't be charged as they are still cadets!}

They stoned residence of the Dy. S. P and attacked canteen of the school, and later ATM machine of a bank.
{This is definitely law and order issue here}

The cadets had several other grievances including poor quality food served to them in the school.

{SO the govt servants were stealing the food money? No wonder they don't want to press charges}

However, Kichloo said, their main issue was delay in their passing out parade, which the government has sorted out now.

The nightlong rampage lasted till early Thursday when senior police officers including DIG central range Kashmir, Afadul Mujtaba, assured the cadets that their passing out parade would be held soon.

Police personnel from district police lines were called to control the situation.

The slogan shouting raised by the cadets at night created panic in the adjacent villages, where people presumed that militants had attacked the police training school.

Police sources said 300 cadets among 900 are from old city Srinagar.

In early 2011, police went for recruitment drive of youth in old city and other volatile areas of the valley and recruited youth to end stone pelting and anti-India protests.

Some of the cadets, sources said, were earlier involved in stone pelting in 2010. However, officials didn't confirm it.

{Off course they wont. Its a state secret. Having said that why did the police delay the passing out parade for so many months?}

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Jun 2013 03:06

^^ Well, other reports indicated that these cadets were posted on Amarnath yatraduty and they protested against it!

Cant recollect where i read that....

saip · Post by **saip** » 21 Jun 2013 04:25

Police trainees protest deployment at Amarnath yatra

Which is the real reason, then?

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 21 Jun 2013 10:00

saip wrote:Which is the real reason, then?

I am not being politically correct here. But one simple check would be to get the religious profiles of the recruits. Once that is sorted out we can check on other aspects as security risks, lack of basic comforts etc.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 21 Jun 2013 10:13

ramana wrote:In line with above..
What happens when stone-pelters are recruited to become policemen?

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nigh ... 84442.html

Jammu and Kashmir police faced major embarrassment when hundreds of cadets of police training school Manigam, Ganderbal, 30 km northwest of Srinagar, went on a night long rampage, from late on Wednesday or early Thursday morning, smashing school property and vehicles on the Srinagar-Leh highway.

Police sources said cadets damaged school property and later took to Srinagar-Leh highway blocking traffic accusing police higher-ups for delay in their passing out parade.

"Their passing out parade was scheduled in February. But due to law and order situation in February the passing out parade was not conducted. They held protest last night against delay in their passing out parade," the Minister of State for Home, Sajjad Kichloo, said.

Incidentally, the situation was tense in February this year as protests broke out across the valley after hanging of the Parliament attack convict, Muhammad Afzal Guru, in Tihar jail, on February 9.

The Minister said his Ministry was looking into the issue and it would soon come up with passing out parade date for these cadets.

Police sources said simmering anger among cadets over delay in passing out parade for past one year burst out when they were ordered to go for Amarnath yatra duty.

Police sources said they refused to comply with the order and went for protest saying they will go for duty only after passing out parade.

{Isn't this mutiny? But then they didn't pass out so can't be charged as they are still cadets!}

They stoned residence of the Dy. S. P and attacked canteen of the school, and later ATM machine of a bank.
{This is definitely law and order issue here}

The cadets had several other grievances including poor quality food served to them in the school.

{SO the govt servants were stealing the food money? No wonder they don't want to press charges}

However, Kichloo said, their main issue was delay in their passing out parade, which the government has sorted out now.

The nightlong rampage lasted till early Thursday when senior police officers including DIG central range Kashmir, Afadul Mujtaba, assured the cadets that their passing out parade would be held soon.

Police personnel from district police lines were called to control the situation.

The slogan shouting raised by the cadets at night created panic in the adjacent villages, where people presumed that militants had attacked the police training school.

Police sources said 300 cadets among 900 are from old city Srinagar.

In early 2011, police went for recruitment drive of youth in old city and other volatile areas of the valley and recruited youth to end stone pelting and anti-India protests.

Some of the cadets, sources said, were earlier involved in stone pelting in 2010. However, officials didn't confirm it.

{Off course they wont. Its a state secret. Having said that why did the police delay the passing out parade for so many months?}

The sense of entitlement is the reason for such rash behaviour. In a country where youth line up in thousands (and unfortunately sometimes have to pay money) to get recruited, the behaviour of these recruits just indicates WHY their POP may have been delayed (sounds like Police Academy movie being enacted in real life, and hence not a comedy anymore).

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 22 Jun 2013 02:38

^ Only in J&K, you get a police job if you throw stones at police and burn property.

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 22 Jun 2013 18:53

Two policemen killed in militant attack in Srinagar

Suspected militants have shot dead two constables of the Jammu and Kashmir Police in a broad daylight at Hari Singh High Street in uptown Srinagar on Saturday, raising tension among the authorities ahead of the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit.

Senior Superintendent of Police Srinagar Syed Ashiq Hussain Bukhari told The Hindu that one or two suspected militants fired pistol shots on constables Mohammad Maqbool and Nazir Ahmed when they were on duty at the crowded business centre of Hari Singh High Street at 2.20 p.m.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/t ... 840479.ece

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 24 Jun 2013 18:31

This definitely is an escalation in violence level, 7 security and police personnel killed within last couple of days:

Terror attack in Srinagar ahead of PM's visit, 5 jawans killed

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 24 Jun 2013 18:52

They are giving us a little taste of what will happen in the valley when the Taliban come to power in Afghanistan. The valley needs to be cleansed of Islamists and Hindus need to begin moving in if we want permanent peace.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 24 Jun 2013 19:10

RoyG wrote:They are giving us a little taste of what will happen in the valley when the Taliban come to power in Afghanistan. The valley needs to be cleansed of Islamists and Hindus need to begin moving in if we want permanent peace.

+1

clear and simple solution. yet, won't be enforced.

Mongols are coming !!!!

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 24 Jun 2013 19:29

Unfortunetly we have a such a week PM so all these wanton acts of terrorism against the state of India will go unpunished.

Anand K · Post by **Anand K** » 24 Jun 2013 19:48

Eight soldiers killed!

Eight!

BTW, anyone ID the army unit?

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 24 Jun 2013 20:00

^^ That's 19 killed or wounded in a single strike according to that link!

I can't recall that many casualties suffered by our forces in a single incident.

I'm curious to learn more about this incident- what weapons were the Islamists using, how did the ambush prove so deadly, what was our tactical response when it happened, and how many of the b@stards have we killed/ caught.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 24 Jun 2013 20:30

Apparently they used hand grenade.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 24 Jun 2013 20:32

thank you Aman ki Asha Group, now reward Hurrirat for thier joint conference with hafeez sayeed and repeal ASFPA

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 24 Jun 2013 21:54

Sounds like IED coupled with hand grenade ambush. They probably opened up their automatic weapons and machine guns after the convoy stopped.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 24 Jun 2013 23:02

As per media reports, the army convoy was carrying men who were coming back from their leaves and hence, were unarmed.

Also, the militants were wearing a dress similar to one sported by local police/paramilitary and actually asked the vehicle to stop; it is then they attacked the vehicle. They especially targeted the soft-skinned vehicle carrying the unarmed troops from both sides and then, melted into the built-up area.

So, intel was accurate and this was a well planned and coordinated attack.

Let me see the ch@@ts from Omar Abdullah government cry out human rights and AFSPA removal.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 24 Jun 2013 23:34

^^ time for chief to retire. Too many army bungles have happened under his watch now. China episode, armymens head chopping and now this. He should take moral responsibility of sheer failure of leadership and resign. From the other side it could be an attempt to instigate Indian army by attacking them when one of the hero of kargil is at helm.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jun 2013 00:13

rohitvats wrote:As per media reports, the army convoy was carrying men who were coming back from their leaves and hence, were unarmed.

Also, the ~~militants~~ terrorists were wearing a dress similar to one sported by local police/paramilitary and actually asked the vehicle to stop; it is then they attacked the vehicle. They especially targeted the soft-skinned vehicle carrying the unarmed troops from both sides and then, melted into the built-up area.

So, intel was accurate and this was a well planned and coordinated attack.

Let me see the ch@@ts from Omar Abdullah government cry out human rights and AFSPA removal.

Recall the attack in POK where Chinese and other tourists were killed in same tactics. Its an ISI plan of same to same terror onlee.
In POK its the TTP that claimed the discredit and in J&K its the Hizb.

Both are TSP govt Non State actors.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 25 Jun 2013 01:04

Meanwhile, the Center for Policy Analysis (Seema Mustafa) pushes for re-opening the Kunan Poshpora case....

Reopen Kunan Poshpora case: Indian civil society It is a blot on JK Govt, GoI: Ex-DG BSF ‘Besides rail link, PM should open communication link with rape victims’

and then Kashmir court orders reopening of Kunan Poshpora mass rape case

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 25 Jun 2013 05:30

a tad frustrated

why does the army even take a chance with unarmed men -

this always should be treated as a combat zone

sigh

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jun 2013 05:49

Maybe AFSPAitis?

Why allow soldiers to be transported without guns in a terrorist attacks prone area?

Its like sitting ducks for the terrorists.

I hope there is an Army clarification of why the soldiers were sent unarmed.
If so was there an armed escort?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 25 Jun 2013 06:55

IIRC on the last occasion there were terrorists who entered a playground with weapons disguised as cricket gear.

There have also been several lapses in perimeter security in the past.

Hope the relevant authorities are learning the required lessons.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 25 Jun 2013 10:50

ramana wrote:Maybe AFSPAitis?

Why allow soldiers to be transported without guns in a terrorist attacks prone area? Its like sitting ducks for the terrorists.
I hope there is an Army clarification of why the soldiers were sent unarmed. If so was there an armed escort?

The troops were in a vehicle which was part of armed convoy. As I said earlier, they were coming back from leave and were being escorted back to their unit.

It was spray and pray from the terrorist - however, they chose the right soft-skinned vehicle; the seating arrangement in army is in the form of two rows running along the length of the vehicles along left and right edge. So, people sit with facing each other and backs towards outside. No wonder, the terrorists fired from both sides and would have hit the upper torso of the troops in the vehicle.

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 25 Jun 2013 11:13

Some of pictures of the fallen soldiers show they weren't wearing any BPJs, even if shot at close range not sure if bullets from AK47 can pierce both the vehicle skin and BPJ effectively, maybe the kitting up should happen before entering the valley