Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

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RajeshA wrote: From my perspective, this is all useful, only if India is however working to break up Pakistan. If we are not, then it is just marginally useful, because it allows him to counter the Pakistani narrative, where possible. However he also offers the Pakistanis present at the discussion to present their own narratives in the presence of an Indian and all those points which remain not countered end up giving Pakistani viewers the impression that they are indeed true, in which case Shashi ends up helping Pakistani establishment to sell their narrative to the Pakistani people. So it is a mixed bag.
I think a central problem with debating Pakis about anything is that it eventually all leads to partition, TNT etc. Fundamentally, for an Indian, there is no way around this. And that is a quagmire which can go on an on. So far, no Indian has come up with a nuclear-weapon like argument that should settle the partition/TNT issue in one or two concise points and make the Paki stop talking about it. So I think ultimately, an Indian who is interested in influencing paki behavior can chip away from the start in a prolonged process (which may or may not work--witness pak chai ghar :lol: ), or in the interest of time, try to gloss over some of these things to stay on message. Challenging each and every delusion, CT, and BS the pakis bring to the table is a thankless task, and risks consuming all of the time, thereby making the whole exercise pointless. Of-course, many of us already assume that it is pointless to talk to pakis, and don't understand why these GOI functionaries insist on it :roll:
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Deadly blast hits bus terminal in Khyber, Pakistan
At least 30 people have been killed after a bomb exploded near a bus terminal in a tribal region of north-west Pakistan, officials say.
Is the run rate picking up again...
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Narad wrote:="anishns"]
May Allah grant Janna to the purer one :roll:
Jana Shah of pee deaf fame? :mrgreen: She is old n fat, and definitely not a virginn.[/quote]

Virgins by Dirzin x Six now have new big Fix
Because of the unexpected rise in demand, the Virgin factory was moved to HuDjinn province of Zhina but the product turned out to be defective being very slow in regenerating virginty taking hours and eventually giving away after few days of penetrations instead of eternity . The complaint line was too long all the way from jannat to Pakistan .To mitigate the loss to the qualified Poaqtoads a new improved version is now introduced xalled Djinnirgin carrying simultaneous multiple level , upto Dirzin=12 virginities with the face of lovely Djinna.
Sooside Poaqtoad now receive Djiinnirgins
His Ustad get BJirrgins
Victims get old model, refurbished Virgin.
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Pakistan ruined by language myth
Last year I wrote a book highlighting the crisis in Pakistan's education system caused by the way languages are used and taught. Its publication prompted one critic to remark that I was trying to "backwardise" the children of Pakistan. Another said that language was not the problem; it was what we taught that needed to be addressed.

These were typical responses from highly educated, fluent English speakers. They have glorified the English language in Pakistan to the extent that all logic has been put aside :mrgreen: . But they wield great influence over public opinion and have even persuaded policymakers that the country's education system can be fixed by hiring teachers competent in English. Such teachers are hired by exclusive private schools, which are beyond the reach of the majority. So proficiency in English automatically becomes the preserve of the affluent.
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U.S. Taxpayer Money Goes to Pakistan’s Radicals
Last January, the assassination of Salman Taseer by Malik Mumtaz Qadri provoked the response of an organization called the Sunni Ittehad Council (SIC). Their defense of Taseer’s murderer made international headlines. Taseer was killed for trying to change Pakistan’s blasphemy laws and for protecting the rights of Christians and other minorities. Yet rather than attempt to bolster Taseer’s supporters, the State Department could only admit that it had funded the SIC to the tune of thirty-six thousand dollars just a year earlier.

Loose change, you may say, but not in Pakistan. Already, Pakistan’s liberal activists are asking if the money cited in the SIC’s offer to buy the assassin’s gun came from its U.S. grant. The joke is poor, but the popular exposure of U.S. government contradictions will stick.
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Narad wrote:="anishns"]
May Allah grant Janna to the purer one :roll:
Jana Shah of pee deaf fame? :mrgreen: She is old n fat, and definitely not a virginn.
Isse Kehte hain "Freudian Slip" :lol:
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News of a Drone Strike at Miranshah, N.Waziristan...
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abhijitm wrote:from nutty nation
Indian hackers fell DGPR website
Directorate General Public Relations (DGPR)'s official website has been hacked by Indian hackers, on Tuesday. It is pertinent to mention that the site has not been working properly since the last one hour. Sources said a firm namely Indishell is claiming credit for the hacking.

Could be a corporate branch of Ind Mujahdeen.
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Rangudu wrote:News of a Drone Strike at Miranshah, N.Waziristan...

AoA.....where? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Could be a corporate branch of Ind Mujahdeen.
Why would Indian Mujahideen hack a pak govt. website?
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I think a central problem with debating Pakis about anything is that it eventually all leads to partition, TNT etc.
For them you need to do this

1. Keep reminding them that they do not have a contract (Theka) to upheld Islam.
2. Saudis barbarians by virtue of captured holy mosques do not have veto power for their islam.
3. More Muslims live in India than in Pakistan or Bangladesh and thus
A. start migration of all muslims to move to pakistan so that TNT theory could really be proved.
OR
B. merge back to India as less than equal power (25% voting power for these who join india per person)
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nachiket wrote:
Could be a corporate branch of Ind Mujahdeen.
Why would Indian Mujahideen hack a pak govt. website?
Because hackers normally don't open firms
Sources said a firm namely Indishell is claiming credit for the hacking.
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This is what they put on the paki website:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O77gACm8vc8/T ... ishell.png

Highly unlikely to be the work of terrorist turds like Ind Muj.
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nachiket wrote:
Could be a corporate branch of Ind Mujahdeen.
Why would Indian Mujahideen hack a pak govt. website?


Left out 8)
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Rangudu wrote:News of a Drone Strike at Miranshah, N.Waziristan...
Yes, you're right sir! :)

http://tribune.com.pk/story/319683/us-d ... officials/
MIRANSHAH: After a lull of about 55 days, the valleys of Pakistan’s tribal region reverberated once more with missile fire from stealthy US air borne drones. Two missiles destroyed a militant compound in Pakistan’s tribal area near the Afghan border, killing four militants late on Tuesday, security officials said.

The missiles struck a compound on the outer skirts of Miranshah, in the North Waziristan region, killing four, one official said.


The attack triggered a fire in the building and flames could be seen from the roof of houses in Miranshah, five kilometres away, residents reported.

The drone attack and the casualties were confirmed by two other security officials.

The strike was the first since US-Pakistan relations plunged to their lowest level after the November 26 helicopter strikes on a border check post which killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.
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Ya Arrah! National Bird of Bakistan strikes again :)

More Confirmation : Suspected U.S. drone kills 3 militants in Pakistan: officials

Anyone know from where this one flew?
Arun Roperia wrote:
Rangudu wrote:News of a Drone Strike at Miranshah, N.Waziristan...
Yes, you're right sir! :)

http://tribune.com.pk/story/319683/us-d ... officials/
MIRANSHAH: After a lull of about 55 days, the valleys of Pakistan’s tribal region reverberated once more with missile fire from stealthy US air borne drones. Two missiles destroyed a militant compound in Pakistan’s tribal area near the Afghan border, killing four militants late on Tuesday, security officials said.

The missiles struck a compound on the outer skirts of Miranshah, in the North Waziristan region, killing four, one official said.


The attack triggered a fire in the building and flames could be seen from the roof of houses in Miranshah, five kilometres away, residents reported.

The drone attack and the casualties were confirmed by two other security officials.

The strike was the first since US-Pakistan relations plunged to their lowest level after the November 26 helicopter strikes on a border check post which killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.
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Apart from recessed sarcasm etc etc one thig that Tharoor says very early on in the video is about Indian covert action in Pakistan/Baluchistan. He says "Of course we have the capability to do all that but we do not have the political will". India does not want to do all the things that Pakistan says we are doing. India accepts that it has a lot of poor etc and that all we want to do is get their status up.
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Rangudu wrote:News of a Drone Strike at Miranshah, N.Waziristan...

You can string up all the known facts and surmise that this is probably true - although it may or may not receive wide coverage. Pakhanis have been getting butt-kicked by the purest of the Pure Islamic holies. First - the bodies of Pakhana soldiers turn up and then a huge bum goes off killing (2160/72)=30 less pure Pakhis.

The army must be begging for action and has probably done a downhill ski asking unkil to do something ("do more"). So there will be un-announced drone strikes. I tell ya drones are now going covert. Mark my words.
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CRamS wrote: But one thing I cannot excuse Tharoor was when those perverts alleged that BJP cleansed the valley of pundits, and not valley KMs and TSP pigLeTs. Tharoor said he and his wife agree with the TSP assessment and deplore that. What was Tharoor smoking?
That's not what he said. He said terrorists from Pakistan burnt down his wife's family home. The Paki female countered that the BJP has advocated a policy of separation in J&K. She was referring to the fact that there have been calls to bifurcate J&K. Tharoor, agreed that this was a bad idea.

Yes, he should have gone one step further and blasted her for equating terrorism with an administrative policy issue, but in any case, he did not say or agree that the BJP cleansed the valley of pundits.
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Nandu wrote:
CRamS wrote: But one thing I cannot excuse Tharoor was when those perverts alleged that BJP cleansed the valley of pundits, and not valley KMs and TSP pigLeTs. Tharoor said he and his wife agree with the TSP assessment and deplore that. What was Tharoor smoking?
That's not what he said. He said terrorists from Pakistan burnt down his wife's family home. The Paki female countered that the BJP has advocated a policy of separation in J&K. She was referring to the fact that there have been calls to bifurcate J&K. Tharoor, agreed that this was a bad idea.

Yes, he should have gone one step further and blasted her for equating terrorism with an administrative policy issue, but in any case, he did not say or agree that the BJP cleansed the valley of pundits.
That bit slipped by fast and could give the impression that Tharoor agreed with the RAPEtte that BJP (Jagmohan) and not puki terror was responsible for the Pandit exodus. The pukes and their supporters essentially recycled the claim, made in some Israeli quarters in '48 that the residents of Deir Yasin in Palestine "left" at the behest of Muftiof Jerusalem (ostensibly to return after the Jews were kicked out), rather than having been forced out by Irgun's attacks.

Whatever the facts of the Deir Yasin case, there is no question that the canard of Jagmohan telling Pandits to leave their ancestral home remains one of the most brazen of the Big Lies that pukis have gotten away with it, all the more disgusting because no one on the Indian side has had the wit to challenge it.
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Nandu/KLN, thx.

Another thing that troubled me a tad was Tharoor telling the perverts that India has all but decided to resume kirket.

And what was that jiadi haider rambling about Kashmir is ripe for "resolution" because there are so many layers and you can start from the periphery and go to the core. Some abstract mumbo jumbo masquerading their obsession to grab the valley.
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Thikane Ayega Dimag Ahista Ahista
Crumbling finances
SEVERAL economists, the State Bank of Pakistan and the IMF have been sounding a warning for quite some time about the deteriorating situation of public finances and its implications for the economy. But this has fallen on deaf ears.The budgetary situation of the federal and provincial governments and of public-sector enterprises (PSEs) in FY11 was very alarming and the data for the first half of FY12 indicates that matters are worsening.In FY11, the federal government`s total revenue was 11.7 per cent of GDP, 47 per cent of which was transferred to the provincial governments under the NFC Award. Revenue remaining with the federal government amounted to 6.2 per cent. At the same time, federal government expenditure was 13.8 per cent of GDP in FYll, leaving an expenditure-revenue gap of 7.6 per cent. The PSEs were operating at huge losses, the gap becoming higher if their contingent liabilities were added.The gap was financed through borrowing, mainly from domestic bank and non-bank sources.
Debt servicing was the biggest single item of expenditure in FY 11 48 per cent higher than the total defence expenditure and consuming 41 per cent of the total tax revenue. The consolidated development expenditure declined to 15 per cent of the total expenditure.On the revenue side, federal tax revenue rose less than the nominal GDP in FY11 reducing further the tax-GDP ratio. It stood at 8.9 per cent of GDP, with indirect taxes accounting for 64 per cent of the total tax revenue, the bulk of it coming from the sales tax. The tax-GDP ratio is the lowest in the region and the taxation system is narrowly based and regressive.Indirect taxes and excessive government bank borrowing ledto a sharp increase in prices impacting heavily on the poor. It is well known that inflation is the cruellest form of taxation.Additionally, it distorts resource allocation, retards economic growth and adds to income inequality and poverty.he latest monetary data indicates a sharp worsening of public finances in the first half of FY12.Net government-sector bank borrowing up to Dec 23, 2011 was more than twice that in the same period the previous year. A new and alarming aspect was provincial borrowing of Rs23bn asagainst a retirement of Rs32bn in the same period last year.The PSEs are by now financially almost bankrupt. The debt of loss-making PSEs had to be taken over by the government by issuing special treasury bills of about Rs400bn. The high cost of electricity purchased from rental power plants and theft in the distribution of electricity in general was partly passed on in higher prices and partly absorbed in budget subsidies, and even then people suffered from extensive loadshedding.
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Mushkushi ,tere anjam pei :rotfl: ayya
How did Musharraf become a billionaire?
Musharraf, who intends to return to Pakistan by the end of this month after seeking the required guarantees from Washington and Riyadh, has a lot of money to spend for his political campaign and his launching as “the best option for Pakistan”.A source, having a close association with the former dictator, confided to The News that Musharraf has at least seven to ten offshore accounts in Dubai and London containing huge cash in dollars, sterling pounds and dirhams.
In his memoirs - In the Line of Fire - Musharraf admitted that he had come from a really humble background where they did not have enough money but now he pays at least half a million rupees as monthly salary to his personal staff residing inside Pakistan.According to the source, besides having foreign bank accounts, Musharraf has also made huge saving investments abroad to earn large profits. The source said that in just one Dubai based online trading service — MMA — Musharraf had US$ 1,600,000 (Rs 145 million) last year. Musharraf’s account number, according to the source in this company, is AV77777.In the Union National Bank, which is an investment bank in Abu Dhabi, Musharraf and his spouse Sehba Musharraf, have a joint account No 4002000304, in which the amount mid last year was almost UAE Dirhams 17,000,000 ( Rs 391 million).In the same bank- the Union National Bank- the same duo, Mr and Mrs Musharaf have another joint account No 400200315, which is a dollar account. This particular account last year contained US$ 535,325 (Rs 48 million).In yet another UAE Dirham account in the same financial institution — the Union National Bank — Sehba and Musharraf had almost UAE Dirhams 7,600,000 (Rs 174 million) last year. The account No is 4003006700.
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The law of unintended but inevitable consequences, anyone? LOL...

From Twitter:
@bibekdebroy: ‘Pakistan involved in printing fake U.S. currency' tinyurl.com/7dho4ap
Karma's a beach indeed....
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I recall East Pakistan tragedy today: Babar
ISLAMABAD - Pakistan People’s Party vice president Babar Awan on Tuesday recalled the Agartala conspiracy case in the backdrop of the court’s order regarding the non-implementation of its December 16, 2009 judgment on NRO.
Talking to mediamen at Supreme Court building, Babar Awan said he had talked about the Agartala case on December 1, 2011 and once again on Monday he did not know why he was remembering the East Pakistan tragedy and those people who had constituted the Tribunal in Agartala case.
Is that a threat?
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Kayani consults senior military officials
According to sources, the military leadership was extremely annoyed over the prime minister’s statement to the Chinese media at the time when General Kayani was on an important visit to the neighboring country. According to military officials, the statement at that particular time was aimed at sabotaging General Kayani’s China visit.
The sources said the military leadership also expressed surprise over continuous changing of stance by the prime minister regarding the relations of civil and military leadership.
The military leadership was also annoyed over the use of Chinese media to target the security institutions, the sources said. Sources also said that the following 24 hours are extremely important as far as civil-military relations are concerned.
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My god, that Tharoor speech was absolutely *filled* with digs at the Pakis done firmly tongue in cheek!! Two lines in quick succession had me laughing out loud: 'I heard from a Pakistani former ambassador the idea to cooperate on wind energy: we have the technology and you have the wind!', and right after that, 'of course we want the Indian team back in Pakistan... unfortunately their calendar seems to be full!'

He was openly laughing at the Pakis throughout, and most of it went sailing over their heads. Hilarious and delicious!
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^ For people fed on " Haseena Atum Bum " kind of entertainment the subtle jibes would definitely be lost.
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can someone give me non youtube link for tharoor speech.. You tube banned at office... :(
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Indishell is an Indian hacker group. Certainly not pakis
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The army’s ghairat
Twenty-five Pakistani soldiers were bound, gagged, brutally tortured, and killed in cold blood in two mass slayings in a week. Their naked mutilated bodies were dumped in ravines. Most of them were shot more than 40 times each at point-blank range.
An army that claims it is ready to take on the world’s only superpower to protect its soldiers is on its knees against the Taliban. Opinion makers and organisations who had orchestrated the circus following the tragic death of 24 troops in an unintended NATO attack on Salala border post on November 26 are simultaneously talking about negotiations with the Taliban who have killed twice as many troops and policemen since.

The 25 soldiers who were tortured, murdered and defiled by the Taliban were given less than a 10th of the air time given to those who died in the November 26 attack. There was no outrage in the newspapers, no televised funerals in flag-draped coffins, no emotionally charged reports on the families they have left behind, and no TV anchors and self-proclaimed guardians of Pakistan’s honour frothing at the mouth over the brutality. There were no claims of violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty and no demands to defend the country and its army’s ghairat.

Our troops who lay their lives to protect us are to be honoured and mourned only when it suits the agenda of those in charge. Our territorial sovereignty is violated and our national honour at stake only when our invisible government wants to arm-twist the US into giving us more aid and weapons and agreeing with our plans for the future of this region.

The Taliban, who are the lynchpin of those plans, are not to be fought, resisted or even questioned. Our national narrative is very flexible in dealing with them. When they kill us, they are funded by the US. When they kill Americans, they are soldiers of Islam.
The major problem with Pakistan’s doctrine of strategic depth is not the simple trade-off between space and time. It is that the lawless territory Pakistan wants to withdraw into – in order to sustain an initial thrust from India and launch a counteroffensive – has quickly expanded southeastwards to an extent that it threatens to eat up our country, our culture, our trade and our military. The very civilisation that they had wanted to protect is now at risk.
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Pak govt calls urgent parliamentary session over SC warning

Sheikh Mujib-ur-zardari showing lots of spine these days. 8)
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Hari Seldon wrote:The law of unintended but inevitable consequences, anyone? LOL...

From Twitter:
@bibekdebroy: ‘Pakistan involved in printing fake U.S. currency' tinyurl.com/7dho4ap
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 791252.ece

‘Pakistan involved in printing fake U.S. currency'

For the first time last year, the Mumbai police seized counterfeit American currency, with a face value of to $5 lakh.

“We have been seizing counterfeit Indian currency for years, but for the first time we have come across counterfeit U.S. dollars.

This ties up with the Central agencies' inputs that Pakistan is also involved in printing fake U.S. currency,” Himanshu Roy, Mumbai Joint Commissioner of Police, said in the annual press conference here on Tuesday.
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Pakistani parliamentary panel endorses India's MFN status
Islamabad, Jan 11 (IANS)
The Kashmir Committee -- headed by Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rahman -- took the decision here Tuesday after the commerce ministry briefed it, the Daily Times reported Wednesday.

Rahman said the committee was happy that the grant of MFN status would not have any adverse affect on Pakistan's stand on Kashmir.

Commerce Minister Amin Fahim said at the meeting that giving MFN status to India was a continuation of the agreements which were cancelled due to the 1965 war.

He said that from 1948 to 1965, Pakistan and India treated each other equally in trade relations and no one objected to it until 1965 when the process halted due to war.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/218 ... ndias.html
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Shahzad Inquiry Commission Submits Report to Gilani - DT
Can it help Zardari/Gilani to attack the PA/ISI ?
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SS Sir, the inquiry was rigged. They did not invite US Govt to provide evidence of involvement of ISI in the killing. The inquiry report categorically states that there is NO proof of involvement any Govt department in the killing.
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