Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Jul 2012 21:23

VikasRaina wrote:I wonder still no chanikian spin on resumption on cricketing ties with terrorists.

The news has just come in. Please wait.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 16 Jul 2012 21:29

Think priorities ! Let them come here to play cricket, no big deal as long as we don't go there. Why give unnecessary importance to Pakistanis by making a big fuss of playing a few ODIs. Why let them have the satisfaction of pointing out this opposition to the whole world ?

Concentrate on real issues. No locomotives, no electricity, no petroleum products unless paid in hard cash, no talks, no concession on Siachin or Sir Creek.

Let us play cricket, sure.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 16 Jul 2012 21:33

Does every Indian really feels the angst of rest of us about 11/26 especially the ones in power ?
Are we really this shameless to even entertain this idea of hosting terrorists from Pakistan for cricket matches?

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 16 Jul 2012 21:40

Rajiv,
Who cares whether pakistan gets the satisfaction of pointing out. It is about us, our people, our feelings, the attrocities they have done against us. It is about not giving money and respect to terrorists. It is about shunning them and cutting them off until they change their ways. Why allow them another opportunity to send terroists in the name of "cricket fans" and enable another terrorist incident against our citizens. Why allow them to play their "home" cricket in my country and give money to them.

What has changed in Pakistan's behaviour that they have to be rewarded now?

I am at a complete loss here.

My heart goes to the victims of all the terrorist incidents, the soldiers who are protecting our borders, and the police force who are working overtime to prevent another incident. This is a slap in all their faces. what a shame!

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 16 Jul 2012 21:46

http://dawn.com/2012/07/16/lost-honour/

I finally understand. Women are buried alive in Pakistan because Sikhs offered poison to Sikhnis in 1947 to prevent them from being used as sex slaves by Muslims.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 16 Jul 2012 21:49

What is the punishment for a Hoax terror call?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 Jul 2012 21:50

The large heartedness in playing cricket will be accompanied by large heartedness in visa-on-arrival for "cricket fans" from Pakistan.

All this 2 weeks after Abu Chidiya said that Sajid Mir came to India and did personal reconnaissance on a cricket visa.

We learn nothing!

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Jul 2012 21:50

arun wrote:Along with my spouse, I will be making it a point not to watch any of the cricket matches that India will play with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan besides attempting to persuade as many others to follow suite.

There is of course a downside to my chosen path of action in that I will not know the companies supporting the matches by advertising and hence I will not be able to punish them by witholding my custom for their products.

I encourage all my fellow Indians to do the same. Please do not go to the ground to watch any of these matches. That should send a message!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Jul 2012 21:53

How long before MMS use Pawerful pursuation to ask every adult Indians to sign sworn statement that Qadiani Mirza was imposter and Ahmadis are W-E-C in India or to be tried in Sharia court under the law of deliberately insulting religious sentiments ?
Since they could not do Siachen deal, WKKs pushed Cricket to keep the Garm Hawa flowing.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 16 Jul 2012 21:53

My fault if I have not been able to convey my thoughts properly. I stand by what I have said, but ...

Slap on their faces is continuing to have diplomatic relations with Pakistan AND continuing to trade with them AND continuing to allow to and fro movement of people. Why these feeble reactions like not playing cricket ? Is that all the great Indian nation can manage, that we will not play cricket ? C'mon !! Because we don't have the guts, the confidence in ourselves.

Let us break off all ties, diplomatic or otherwise until, Hafeez Saeed and Dawood Ibrahim are handed over to us. Can you point to a single political leader or party in India who can take this decision ? If not, then 'not playing cricket' is just something that we soft Indians are using to hide our inadequacies.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 16 Jul 2012 21:54

The Paki dog's tail does not wag for no reason. The scum , Allah's dearest, are reduced to seeking alms from India and waiting on us.

My suspicions were raised when they called it the home series. Now why would a Paki come up with a "home" series tag when they are playing in India , I thought? Maybe for the revenue?
Well of course it is!

PCB forced to beg for Indian stadiums to sustain its existence

“If it is an Indian series we can go and play there and BCCI gets all the revenue and if they give us two stadium, PCB can play their own series there and the revenue can come to the PCB,” he said.

About 6 months back, one of BCCI's members said they could forego revenue from TSP series. That plus this statement kinda confirms that
the begging scourge of humanity will pokcet the revenue.

BCCI also refused neutral venues. So this REALLY confirms that revenue for PCB was/is the prime motive for this series.

Although both agreed to resume bilateral cricket ties, according to sources, the BCCI is not in favour of either India playing in Pakistan or at neutral venues.

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@MMS - [slow , mocking clap ] Well played and well done sir!

nakul · Post by **nakul** » 16 Jul 2012 21:56

I hope Shiv Sena / MNS vandalise the BCCI office. Its time they lived up to their claims.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Jul 2012 21:58

VikasRaina wrote:Does every Indian really feels the angst of rest of us about 11/26 especially the ones in power ?
Are we really this shameless to even entertain this idea of hosting terrorists from Pakistan for cricket matches?

This is not just hosting, this is a "home" series for the the Paki, meaning that other than the cost of renting the stadium they get to keep most of the profit money in ticket sales, TV endorsments etc., certainly in the order of 10's of millions of $$.

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 16 Jul 2012 22:09

Rajiv wrote:Let us break off all ties, diplomatic or otherwise until, Hafeez Saeed and Dawood Ibrahim are handed over to us.

Yeah I would like that very much. In the absence of it, I would like to keep what I have, like not playing cricket with them, refusing them to include in IPL auctions. These are visible actions from India that I am personally happy about. This ridicules them and bothers their common man a lot. Why rollback even this minor satisfaction to our people?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 Jul 2012 22:11

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 003906.cms

Pakistan players all set to be a part of IPL 6 auctions

The decision to resume Indo-Pak bilateral cricketing ties is likely to clear the decks for top Pakistan cricketers to again be a part of auctions in the cash-rich Indian Premier League.

After the Working Committee cleared the three ODI and two T20 series against Pakistan, there has been a growing feeling among the BCCI members that Pakistan players should now be allowed to play in the IPL.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 16 Jul 2012 22:14

You are happy with this minor satisfaction ?? I rest my case and have nothing further to add to this discussion.

rgsrini wrote:
Rajiv wrote:Let us break off all ties, diplomatic or otherwise until, Hafeez Saeed and Dawood Ibrahim are handed over to us.
Yeah I would like that very much. In the absence of it, I would like to keep what I have, like not playing cricket with them, refusing them to include in IPL auctions. These are visible actions from India that I am personally happy about. This ridicules them and bothers their common man a lot. Why rollback even this minor satisfaction to our people?

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 16 Jul 2012 22:16

Most news sources seem to suggest there will be no match in Mumbai. The slime balls at BCCI don't want to take any risk, I guess.

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 16 Jul 2012 22:28

Rajiv,
I just want to point out that "you are happy with this minor satisfaction" is not correct. You will get that if you read my post again. Nice try in trying to turn this on me, when you are the one who suggested that playing cricket with terrorits is okay with you. I am ok, if you have nothing else to post in this matter.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 16 Jul 2012 22:29

nakul wrote:I hope Shiv Sena / MNS vandalise the BCCI office. Its time they lived up to their claims.

Cant believe you are suggesting this course of action.

partha · Post by **partha** » 16 Jul 2012 22:31

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 006918.cms

Pakistan, therefore, proposed that some venues in India be declared "neutral", which would help them earn some revenues as well, and shore up the treasury of a cash-strapped PCB. The Indian government forwarded these proposals to BCCI.

But BCCI refused the proposal. "There will be no revenue sharing with PCB," said BCCI sources.

Next proposal from Pakistan - declare Indian parliament building neutral so that whenever there is a coup next time in Pakistan, all their "civilian leaders" can hold parliament sessions in New Delhi.

Next proposal - declare whole of Mumbai city neutral. Since Mumbai is neutral, 26/11 will not be a "roadblock" for peace between the 2 countries.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 16 Jul 2012 22:32

News coming in that the paki Armed forces have prepared national security strategy paper. Would love to get hold of the details.

Joint Chief of Staff Committee General Khalid Shamim Wyne on Monday prepared National security strategy paper and handed it over to Prime Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf and President Asif Ali Zardari, DawnNews reported. The strategy paper has discussed priorities over national security.

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 Jul 2012 22:32

Anujan wrote:The large heartedness in playing cricket will be accompanied by large heartedness in visa-on-arrival for "cricket fans" from Pakistan.

All this 2 weeks after Abu Chidiya said that Sajid Mir came to India and did personal reconnaissance on a cricket visa.

We learn nothing!

Our Congress Party led UPA Government certainly seem to appear incapable of learning

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Pakistan used cricket diplomacy to survey terror targets

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 16 Jul 2012 22:38

Brad Goodman wrote:I agree 99% of the venom is already available on youtube and other websites.

Let's not rationalize. Banning these channels would be an unfriendly act and that is reason enough.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 16 Jul 2012 22:43

As if cannibalism wasn't enough to feed hungry pakis, this paki doc is seeking dead pakis to save dying pakis.

Cadaver donation has become the need of the hour, as organs from one dead body can save lives of six people, said Associate Professor Dr Amir Latif

partha · Post by **partha** » 16 Jul 2012 22:45

I think it is all about money. BCCI just wants to make more and more money. They don't care for 26/11 or 13/12.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Jul 2012 22:48

In the meantime India - Paki trade has started to flourish:

7kg heroin seized from train arriving from Pak

AMRITSAR: Heroin, measuring seven kilograms and a local worth of Rs350 million, has been seized from a freight train that arrived in Amritsar, India from Pakistan, Geo News reported Monday.

Deputy Commissioner Indian Customs has said that the matter would be taken up with the Pakistani authorities.

The Indian authorities seized the heroin from one of the carriages of the cargo train that transported cement from Pakistan to India.

"Strict checking of imports coming from Pakistan was being undertaken," the Deputy Commissioner Indian Customs said.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 16 Jul 2012 22:51

Rajiv Lather wrote: Slap on their faces is continuing to have diplomatic relations with Pakistan AND continuing to trade with them AND continuing to allow to and fro movement of people.

This is extremely lopsided logic. The pakis don't see it as a slap on their faces (Why should they? What exactly have they lost?). They see it as a sign of weakness. Just like they see any gesture of goodwill or large-heartedness from India as a sign of weakness. Why we haven't understood this fact in 60 years is beyond me.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 16 Jul 2012 23:00

It is a slap on the faces of the families of victims of Mumbai attack that we still continue to have diplomatic relations with Pakistan. And you are right, Pakistanis rightly see it as a sign of weakness.

My point is, because we are too timid to take any meaningful action we hide behind weak and ineffective "let us not play cricket". After Kasab, Headly and Abu Humza what is the justification of us continuing to trade with Pakistan and have diplomatic relations ? But let us find the weakest and safest reaction; jump up and down and shout "let us not play cricket".

Introspect and act.

nachiket wrote:
Rajiv Lather wrote: Slap on their faces is continuing to have diplomatic relations with Pakistan AND continuing to trade with them AND continuing to allow to and fro movement of people.
This is extremely lopsided logic. The pakis don't see it as a slap on their faces (Why should they? What exactly have they lost?). They see it as a sign of weakness. Just like they see any gesture of goodwill or large-heartedness from India as a sign of weakness. Why we haven't understood this fact in 60 years is beyond me.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 16 Jul 2012 23:04

Rajiv Lather, people are angry because the GOI seems to be going the other way. Playing cricket is just one more in a series of inexplicable moves by the govt. concerning pakistan. Selling (donating) electricity and locomotives being the other two highlights.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 16 Jul 2012 23:12

Let the team back out of this series, there is an MP in the team cant he do soemthing about it ?

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 16 Jul 2012 23:18

Oh God ! We lost 166 people in Mumbai attack, which was planned, financed and executed under the direct patronage of ISI and Pak Army. We have more than sufficient proof, including 3 people directly involved.

Let us focus on responding and reacting to the severity of this act. Cricket is not important. Please let us do something which imposes deterring costs on Pakistan.

Again I will repeat, because we are unable to take this action, we have always tended to hide behind meaningless things. Concentrate on what is important. Do not try to find the easy way out. "Not playing cricket" is one of those easy way outs. What difference will it make to Pakistan ? Pakistan will stop backing terrorism because of cricket ?

I am sorry.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 16 Jul 2012 23:20

First of all, cricket is not meaningless. Not playing cricket would cause significant H&D loss to Pakis. Secondly, inability to take big steps does not imply that we should not take small steps. Can we stop Lahori logic now?

Dan Mazer · Post by **Dan Mazer** » 16 Jul 2012 23:25

http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_ga ... la_1715762

Asked about BJP, Shiv Sena's constant protests over resuming any sporting ties with Pakistan, Shukla said, "The leader of the opposition in the Rajya Sabha, Arun Jaitley was a part of this decision and he supported the move.

nakul · Post by **nakul** » 16 Jul 2012 23:53

anupmisra wrote:
nakul wrote:I hope Shiv Sena / MNS vandalise the BCCI office. Its time they lived up to their claims.
Cant believe you are suggesting this course of action.

I would have preferred them to raise the issue in parliament. But somehow they would be seen as a hindrance to the peace process and dismissed.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jul 2012 00:10

Rajiv Lather , Cricket is the most visible activity between the two countries. The next mos tvisible one is Bollywood being infested with Poak suars.

All that trade vade is not so visible.

Joint Chief of Staff Committee General Khalid Shamim Wyne on Monday prepared National security strategy paper and handed it over to Prime Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf and President Asif Ali Zardari, DawnNews reported

So the TSPA is led by a Wyne only the spelling is incorrect.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 17 Jul 2012 02:28

Rajiv Lather wrote:
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Again I will repeat, because we are unable to take this action, we have always tended to hide behind meaningless things. Concentrate on what is important. Do not try to find the easy way out. "Not playing cricket" is one of those easy way outs. What difference will it make to Pakistan ? Pakistan will stop backing terrorism because of cricket ?

I am sorry.

By your logic, since (arguably) nothing short of nuclear annihilation will stop TSP attacks on India, everything else--electricity, siachen, whatever-- is too petty to bother about, shows our own immaturity, and should be allowed. After all, not giving away Siachen hasn't and won't stop TSP attacks, so let us stop jumping up and down when that happens.

Is this really the logic you want to push?

Or can you try and see the sense of refusing to reinforce the paki belief that there are no consequences--even echandee ones like cricket to their attacks on us?

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 17 Jul 2012 02:32

nakul wrote:
anupmisra wrote:
Cant believe you are suggesting this course of action.
I would have preferred them to raise the issue in parliament. But somehow they would be seen as a hindrance to the peace process and dismissed.

Consider other methods like PIL, satyagraha, publicity campaign etc.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 17 Jul 2012 02:50

No worries !

You and Ramana concentrate on stopping cricket matches while there will be some, including me, who will worry about stopping the menace of terrorism emanating from Pakistan. Whatever floats your boat.

KLNMurthy wrote:
Rajiv Lather wrote:
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Again I will repeat, because we are unable to take this action, we have always tended to hide behind meaningless things. Concentrate on what is important. Do not try to find the easy way out. "Not playing cricket" is one of those easy way outs. What difference will it make to Pakistan ? Pakistan will stop backing terrorism because of cricket ?

I am sorry.
By your logic, since (arguably) nothing short of nuclear annihilation will stop TSP attacks on India, everything else--electricity, siachen, whatever-- is too petty to bother about, shows our own immaturity, and should be allowed. After all, not giving away Siachen hasn't and won't stop TSP attacks, so let us stop jumping up and down when that happens.

Is this really the logic you want to push?

Or can you try and see the sense of refusing to reinforce the paki belief that there are no consequences--even echandee ones like cricket to their attacks on us?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jul 2012 02:57

Rl, I know you are a lawyer. Was that the conclusion you came to!

You know very well that we all want to stop terrorism from TSP period.

Not allowing them in our civil space is a concisous step we all can take.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 17 Jul 2012 02:59

Rajiv Lather wrote:No worries ! You and Ramana concentrate on stopping cricket matches while there will be some, including me, who will worry about stopping the menace of terrorism emanating from Pakistan. Whatever floats your boat.
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Vijayee bhava. Keep the forum appraised of your progress on this front, won't you?