Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 May 2010 18:56

What are the issues?

First, we have concerns over water. Pakistan is water-stressed and there has to be clarity on how to manage within the Indus Waters Treaty, how to manage flows of storage. There is a fair amount of ignorance on this issue on both sides {Ahh. . .please elaborate the ignorance on the Indian side} of the border. In Pakistan, we are losing as much as 30 per cent of our water. Moreover, when matters come to a head (because of disputes with India) and reach the international arbiter, we lose an entire sowing season, {This is a big, big lie. How many times have matter reached international arbitration since 1960 when IWT was signed ? How many times have international arbitrators found fault with India and restored order and how many sowing seasons have been missed because of this on the Pakistani side ?. Liars, pathetic liars. Besides, she is trying to give an impression that India violates IWT repeatedly and international arbitration has to be resorted to rectify the violation !} destituting a large number of people. This is one concern that should definitely be on the table.

Kashmir and terrorism are obvious issues. The latter is not a concern for just India, but also for us. We are seeking to eliminate terrorists that have taken refuge on the open border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. We are, in fact, experiencing many Mumbais everyday.{Why are you telling us this ? What a bunch of morons.}

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 17 May 2010 18:57

‘Powerless’ Pakistan

With power demand at about 14,680MW and current supply at 10,200MW, the power supply shortage stands at 4,480MW, providing fertile ground for social and economic chaos.

Kafir journalist has obviously not heard about djinn power.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 May 2010 19:09

Definitive shift in Pak's Cashmere policy.

PTI reports that Gilani says Pakistan will provide "Moral, diplomatic and political support" to people of Cashmere. Havent heard that since 2002!!

Kayani is slowly bring Pakistan army & policy to pre 9/11 era. Party in Afghanistan, backseat driving of Government, Jihad in Kashmir & rest of India and Shiny toys for the boys to deter conventional retaliation by India.

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 May 2010 19:22

Shortcut Aziz’s legacy lives on. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is back to the old habit of sexing up GDP figures:

NAC’s estimated growth figures may have been fudged

By Shahbaz Rana
May 16, 2010

ISLAMABAD: The National Accounts Committee is alleged to have estimated a growth figure of 4.1 per cent for the current year by doctoring the estimates for the growth in the construction, livestock and the wholesale and retail sectors, say analysts.

Independent economists in and outside the government are sceptical about the projected 4 per cent growth for the financial year 2009-10. The National Accounts Committee (NAC) has projected that during the current fiscal year the economy would grow by 4.1 per cent, officials had revealed to The Express Tribune on Friday. Independent economists, however, have attributed this extraordinary showing of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) to “creative accounting.”

The have found out that the government not only played with last year’s GDP growth numbers by revising them downwards but also allegedly fudged the growth numbers of some of the sectors for this fiscal year. It was not for the first time that economists have unearthed such discrepancies. Last year, the National Accounts Committee showed the GDP growth at 2.24 per cent. Only after criticism from economists did the government revise the numbers downwards to 2 per cent.

Economists said that in order to get advantage of the lower base, the government once again revised last year’s 2 per cent growth number to 1.14 per cent. ……………..

Express Tribune

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 May 2010 19:34

^^^+1. Unless the 3.5 friends are willing to stub out, the shiny toys may have to wait:

Entering the debt danger zone
By Shahbaz Rana
May 17, 2010

There will be a net increase of $20 billion in Pakistan’s external debt stock during the next five years and the authorities will require more than $6 billion to service this debt.

According to the State Bank of Pakistan’s figures, Islamabad’s external debt stood at $53 billion excluding liabilities till March 2010. The estimates of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the Ministry of Finance show that the external debt stock will pile up to $72.6 billion by 2015. …………………

Pakistan may enter into danger zone by 2012, a year when Islamabad would start paying back $11.3 billion of a relatively expensive loan to the IMF. Independent economic experts believe that in addition to normal debt servicing, which requires about $3 billion per annum, the authorities need another $3 billion just to retire the IMF debt.

The official documents show that Pakistan will pay back $1.2 billion to the IMF in 2012 including $230 million on account of interest payments. The amount is equivalent to 0.7 per cent of the total size of the economy and 5.5 per cent of projected export proceeds. In 2013, the amount will surge to $2.9 billion, which will be 12 per cent of the export proceeds and 1.5 per cent of the GDP.

In 2014, an amount of $4.3 billion would be returned to the IMF, which is 16 per cent of the exports proceeds and 2 per cent of the total size of the economy. It is the year when the next general elections would be held and an immediate worry of the new economic managers would be how to arrange over $4 billion to retire only the IMF debt.

In 2015, $2.6 billion would be paid back to the IMF, which would be 9 per cent of exports proceeds and 1.1 per cent of the GDP. The good news is that in 2016 Pakistan will get rid of the IMF loan by paying back the last tranche of $430 million. The worst is still to come, as from 2017 Pakistan will start paying back the rescheduled $8.9 billion loan of the Paris Club. ,…………………………..

Express Tribune

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 17 May 2010 19:45

Anujan wrote:Definitive shift in Pak's Cashmere policy.

PTI reports that Gilani says Pakistan will provide "Moral, diplomatic and political support" to people of Cashmere. Havent heard that since 2002!!

Kayani is slowly bring Pakistan army & policy to pre 9/11 era. Party in Afghanistan, backseat driving of Government, Jihad in Kashmir & rest of India and Shiny toys for the boys to deter conventional retaliation by India.

and India's relentless push into Afghanistan is the answer to control their plan.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 17 May 2010 20:27

Pakistan: Reactions to Times Square bomber

The Pakistani tragedy is that we all are scrutinized for the crimes we never committed. Statically speaking more Pakistanis are the victim of terrorism than any American for that matter. Our army has been more effective against the Taliban than US and NATO forces combine in Afghanistan. US Govt. has more power to enforce their will on the Pakistani than the voters who elected the Govt. American drones fly in Pakistani air space, bomb down Pakistani houses and land safely on Pakistani bases. Still, our seriousness is questioned, our loyalty to the cause is inquired and our fate is decided on the basis of some Hollywood movie.

So in short every paki reaction is first say there is nothing wrong with us then slowly say yes there is something wrong but its not our fault. Its Unkils fault for starting afghan jehad in 1979 and then Gandhi's fault before that when he supported khilafat. Then its fault of djinns & dajjals as well as SDRE for they r doing black magic.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 17 May 2010 20:34

Ominous signs for US-Pakistan ties

Shahzad affair has heightened US suspicion of both Pakistani motives and Pakistani resolve in resisting extremism and militancy.

Pakistani policy toward militant groups of various stripes is far too complicated, far too ambiguous, and far too finely calibrated to ever gain clear US support.

Pakistani willingness to tolerate on its territory Afghan insurgent groups through whom it might hope to exert influence in that country has gained a certain measure of grudging, sullen tolerance from US officials, but will never find real US acceptance.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 17 May 2010 20:57

This is a pretty interesting article. It will make a lot of sense to folks who have visited United States. Shows paki obsession in past to copy US

Pakistan's Surprising Familiarity To An American Eye

This may be hard to believe, but the first thing that crosses your mind when you drive into Islamabad is suburban Virginia -- its wide roads, modern buildings, cleanliness and orderliness is a complete contrast to the hustle and bustle of the ancient city of Lahore, some 220 miles east on the Grand Trunk Road.

Islamabad is laid out in a grid with numbered avenues running north to south. The streets are tree lined and flowers abound among the vast open stretches of green space.

I have read this in past too that slumbad was modelled after Washington DC. Now I am sure unkil must have funded most of the construction of wide roads and parks and all government buildings. But do pakis know the history of DC and its architecture especially how so called free masons which included George Washington had a vision for the new capital. The chief architect L'Enfant had put that vision on paper. The washington monument which is an obleisk which is an egyptian pagan (read vedic traditions for people from PN Oak's school of thought)
Read here for details. Now Washington DC is has Star of David stamped all over itself. I want to find out if Ayub and his photo chor architect copied L'Enfant's designs as is, and if that is true then pakis are living in a pagan city that PBUH has ordered them to tear down.

Look at the National Park board in the article. Its an exact copy of National Park Service boards and even their logo. I will not be suprised if the uniforms are copied too

I think one of this days this angle of paki obession with unkil in past and present and how it will work out in future needs to be explored.

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 May 2010 21:24

The wages of years fomenting Islamic Jihad in India and elsewhere enables the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to shrug off the challenge mounted by the Democratic Republic of Congo and snag first place:

Pakistanis suffered most displacement in 2009: report

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 May 2010 21:38

The rich elite of Pakistan successfully did what they accuse the "Brahminbania nexus" in India of doing. they have set aside their mango Abduls and made them invisible, and what is visible to the visitors in Pakistan is the opulence and smartness of the RAPE.

The RAPE have managed to be affable enough, hospitable enough and smart enough to put the Americans in their pockets and be able to twirl the dumb gringo round their little fingers. There are statements on record (quoted in my ebook) of Americans openly saying "I like Pakistanis. They are good company. Indians are jerks"

As recently as the Kargil war phoren journailsts reported being treated to a frugal and businesslike briefing by the Indian army near the war zone, in contrast to coffee and sandwiches in silver trays from uniformed waiters in a similar briefing near the war zone on the Paki side.

The Pakis have done so much by PR alone that they now often respond to crises by believing that their PR was not good enough and that Indian PR was better.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 17 May 2010 21:55

Prem wrote:MQM will never demand Sindh’s divide: Sattar
HYDERABAD: MQM leader Mareej Farooq Sattar said Sunday that his party’s chief Altaf Hussain had never made any demand for creation of a new province in Sindh or its division. Addressing a press conference at the Hyderabad Zonal Office, he said MQM would hold a convention in Sindh’s city of Bhatshah on May 28 while date for Larkana convention would be announced later. MQM leader Altaf Hussain will address these conventions from London on telephone, he said. The senior MQM leader said Altaf had neither called for a new province in Sindh nor any such demand has come forward. The MQM had extended its unconditional support for Khyber Pakhtunkhwa name. He said MQM wants Gilgit Baltistan to be declared a province.
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=104866

talking about "not dividing" itself is an indication of dividing.....no smoke without fire/spark

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 17 May 2010 22:03

US wants General Kayani to stay for another year

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 17 May 2010 22:07

^
wah!! unkil too has become predictable.

On his part, General Kayani has assured Obama administration that his army will play in their “own sandbox” and not disrupt the civilian setup, our source said.

They have actually put the civvies in "sandbox" and running experiments.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 17 May 2010 22:23

shiv wrote:The rich elite of Pakistan successfully did what they accuse the "Brahminbania nexus" in India of doing. they have set aside their mango Abduls and made them invisible, and what is visible to the visitors in Pakistan is the opulence and smartness of the RAPE.

Shiv ji what is the reason that western elites (read unkil & UQ here) are so impressed with pakis both civilian & gernails. I mean for all practical purposes nehru was no different than paki rapes still Dulles was fuming at nehru and was praising ayub. Is it the deep entrenched hatered that practicing christians ( of all variety) carry towards pagans and some level of tolerance towards people of book or is it that indians are too obtuse & stingy when it comes to dealing with western audience like parties & gifts than pakis, or is it that pakis are more docile and subservient to their cause and that is what makes the relationship more praiseworthy. Please let us know your thoughts. Also I have not read Strobe Talbott's book except for some excerpts in websites and newspapers but if some one who has read it shed more light on the topic that would be appreciated.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 May 2010 22:25

^^
That is just a lifafa article from GHQ testing the waters for granting Kayani an extension. "Reliable CENTCOM sources" told this Paki about their Af-Pak strategy? I will believe it when it comes out of the usual suspects in WaPo or NYTimes. Of late, several articles have mysteriously started mushrooming in Paki press about how Kayani is a savior, who everyone in the Army loves him, about how he will 400% support democracy.

That is not to discount the fact that Kayani might be able to persuade US that he can stay back. *IF* his hands are clean WRT to NY bombing. Unkil might also ask him for a pound of flesh.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 17 May 2010 22:35

Another paki inspired article. We need to least write comments punching holes in the authors arguments
Islamabad’s best answer to terrorism would be peace talks with India over Kashmir

Resolving Kashmir would undermine Pakistan’s militants and army officers who see it as a rallying call. A move toward normal trade relations would dwarf any aid that Britain and the US could possibly give, and unlock the growth for Pakistan that is the best answer to its jihadists.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 17 May 2010 22:43

Brad Goodman wrote:
shiv wrote:The rich elite of Pakistan successfully did what they accuse the "Brahminbania nexus" in India of doing. they have set aside their mango Abduls and made them invisible, and what is visible to the visitors in Pakistan is the opulence and smartness of the RAPE.
Shiv ji what is the reason that western elites (read unkil & UQ here) are so impressed with pakis both civilian & gernails. I mean for all practical purposes nehru was no different than paki rapes still Dulles was fuming at nehru and was praising ayub. Is it the deep entrenched hatered that practicing christians ( of all variety) carry towards pagans and some level of tolerance towards people of book or is it that indians are too obtuse & stingy when it comes to dealing with western audience like parties & gifts than pakis, or is it that pakis are more docile and subservient to their cause and that is what makes the relationship more praiseworthy. Please let us know your thoughts. Also I have not read Strobe Talbott's book except for some excerpts in websites and newspapers but if some one who has read it shed more light on the topic that would be appreciated.

pakis shared bed with the westerners while we cuddled with ruski commies. The love for pakis are clearly visible in england. When I talked to some englishmen I got the feeling that they see indians as treasons who opposed british raj and pakis as jinnah's clans who stood by their side, carrying their legacy!... my personal opinion onlee.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 17 May 2010 22:46

Satya_anveshi wrote:US wants General Kayani to stay for another year

Utterly shameless. America has spoken, now only arrah has to stamp his benevolent acceptance on his favorite ghazi ass-saafkiyanahi. What a banana republic!

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 17 May 2010 22:57

Interior Minister Reh man Mal ik absconding from TSP

A Pakistani court dismissed an appeal by Interior Minister Rehman Malik against his conviction in two corruption references by an accountability court and restored a three-year imprisonment awarded to him.

The accountability court had sentenced Rehman Malik to a three-year imprisonment in each of the two NAB references.

A two-member bench of the Lahore High Court comprising Chief Justice Khawaja Mohammad Sharif and Justice Waqar Hasan Mir dismissed Malik's plea and restored the sentence after he failed to appear in the court.

Malik's counsel claimed no notice was sent to the minister to appear before the court and a verdict given in his absence would be illegal. He also requested the Lahore High Court to halt the punishment orders against him.

Malik is out of the country and there are unconfirmed reports that he may not return till the matter is settled.

Legal experts said Malik can now be arrested under the law.

"The minister is in the dock as even he moves to the Supreme Court against the decision of the LHC, he first will have to resign from his office," Muneeb Ahmed advocate said.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 17 May 2010 23:10

Anujan wrote:The Pakistaniyat will hit the fan latest by June when the rains start.

Sh*t will hit the fan sooner

GILGIT-BALTISTAN: ..................

The water level at landslide-triggered lake in Atta Abad area of Hunza has risen to the level of 358 feet due to rain and falling of a glacier.

The people residing in the danger zone are being stressed upon to evacuate to safer places, as the lake has risen to a threatening level, owing to rapid meltdown of glacier during the last two days.

According to Director General NDMA and Interior Secretary Asif Bilal Lodhi, the water level falling into the lake has been increased from 2200 cusecs to 2500 cusecs daily whereas out flow has been reached to 100 cusecs from 84 cusecs. .......

The boat service for Hunza-Atta Abad lake was suspended, as the water has reached the spillway built by Frontier Works Organization (FWO), for safe outflow of water from the reservoir.

.... the lake is spread over 16 kilometer of land and the water level is rising at the rate of three feet per 24 hours.

Surging water of Atta Abad Lake has started to eat away its banks and evacuation of residents of the area has set in motion.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 17 May 2010 23:20

Brad Goodman wrote:
shiv wrote:The rich elite of Pakistan successfully did what they accuse the "Brahminbania nexus" in India of doing. they have set aside their mango Abduls and made them invisible, and what is visible to the visitors in Pakistan is the opulence and smartness of the RAPE.
Shiv ji what is the reason that western elites (read unkil & UQ here) are so impressed with pakis both civilian & gernails. I mean for all practical purposes nehru was no different than paki rapes still Dulles was fuming at nehru and was praising ayub. Is it the deep entrenched hatered that practicing christians ( of all variety) carry towards pagans and some level of tolerance towards people of book or is it that indians are too obtuse & stingy when it comes to dealing with western audience like parties & gifts than pakis, or is it that pakis are more docile and subservient to their cause and that is what makes the relationship more praiseworthy. Please let us know your thoughts. Also I have not read Strobe Talbott's book except for some excerpts in websites and newspapers but if some one who has read it shed more light on the topic that would be appreciated.

Thanks BG for asking that..not only Shiv...I'd like to extend the same question to other resident gurus also..
why such an inclination towards Pakis?
is it about their Nukes falling into terrorists' hands?
is it about ISI holding CIA secrets w.r.t Afghan war against Soviets?
is it about their proximity to OPEC countries?
if it is about getting oil from CIS nations via Afghanistan-to-Balochistan's shore, they should be joining us in splitting land of Balochs from Paki?
is it about US's compulsion for using Paki assets as canon fodder against Soviets?
what was the necessity to rollback on what Hillary said after Faisal's flop show?
it is clearly understood that both US and Pakistan shake hands with right hand while holding each others' balls with left hand? why this frequent ball pressing and fake smile on face?

forget about pakistan..but..it is beyond my understanding why a country like USA{which survived cold war with way stronger opponent} got down so low with TSP? it could finish off Pakilund if it wants? but why US still hangs around Paki?

Please throw some light Gurus...any links to such material would also be nice?

Thanks,
Venkat

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 17 May 2010 23:33

Just to add to Venkat's point this romance is not limited to current context post 9/11 but started way before with the Raj and then all the way upto Churchill and was then taken over by Unkil with the specific reference of JF Dulles that I posted in my earlier response. Then it was Yahyha - Kissinger - Nixon followed by Carter - Regan - Zia. The only time unkil really put the love fest on ice was when Karamat was in power. Or to all way way from post zia dispension till mushy warmed up to shri amritraj.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 17 May 2010 23:34

DailyCrimes is reporting that on Sunday, one of their young 24 year old sub editor died. Report does not mention anything regarding the cause of the death - I suspect this may have to do with Hamid Mir story, which broke out on saturday - obviously CT. If true, one more victim of HM.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 May 2010 23:47

1. Many Westerners (Xtians) found Indian deities grotesque. Even in modern NJ after exposure to desis for a long time, some European-Americans still find e.g., Kali, shocking.

2. Monotheism - Hindus are pagans, infidels, heathen to both Xtian and Muslim.

3. Food - Many Hindus are vegetarian. Especially 60 years ago, that was very strange for the Westerners. Now more are familiar with it.

4. People - in India no foreign-friendly-false-front is provided as far as I know. The Westerner may have to deal with people who are not upto their standards of grandeur.

5. Non-alignment - India really pissed off the US by insisting on non-alignment.

6. No GUBO - believe it or not, Indians have been quite hard-headed in protecting the country's interests. E.g., one US administration went to bat for Bechtel Corporation, threatening to cut all kinds of credit to India unless India granted certain mineral rights in perpetuity to Bechtel. (BTW, just as Goldman Sachs dominates this administration - Obama's govt is full of G.S. alumni; Bechtel dominated the Reagan administration.) Though India was in bad situation, India told 'em to take a hike.

7. Martial races myth - like it or not, British racial theories crossed the Atlantic.

8. Indian sensitivities - Indians used to be (and maybe still are) very sensitive to real and perceived slights w.r.t. colonialism, western imperialism and so on. I think Pakis are less so (remember, Viceroy Wavell's contingency plan in case Indian National Congress got out of hand was to evacuate and hold the sections that currently make up Pakistan).

9. Supposed egalitarianism in Pakistan vs. caste- and cow-worship ridden India.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 18 May 2010 00:05

A_Gupta wrote: 8. Indian sensitivities - Indians used to be (and maybe still are) very sensitive to real and perceived slights w.r.t. colonialism, western imperialism and so on. I think Pakis are less so (remember, Viceroy Wavell's contingency plan in case Indian National Congress got out of hand was to evacuate and hold the sections that currently make up Pakistan).

That may be because TSP was born into independence and no western imperialism or colonialism stigma was perceived to be carried over by them .It was India that was colonised.

All left behind in India

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 18 May 2010 00:08

You are overcomplicating with this "pagan" and martial races thing. Islam is as alien to the US as is Hinduism, if not much more alien and despised. As for martial races, they all look brown to the US.

Rather what the US likes to see is culturally "westernized" regimes ruling over foreign populaces who are consistently pro-west. That combined with the fact that TSP has been a loyal servant of the US for the past few decades it is unsurprising to see the US favor TSP imo.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 May 2010 00:14

chaanakya wrote:
A_Gupta wrote: 8. Indian sensitivities - Indians used to be (and maybe still are) very sensitive to real and perceived slights w.r.t. colonialism, western imperialism and so on. I think Pakis are less so (remember, Viceroy Wavell's contingency plan in case Indian National Congress got out of hand was to evacuate and hold the sections that currently make up Pakistan).
That may be because TSP was born into independence and no western imperialism or colonialism stigma was perceived to be carried over by them .It was India that was colonised.

All left behind in India

Agreed, but that is in addition to the fact that the British thought that they could hold on to the Pakjab/Sindh area even if the Indian National Congress became uncontrollable in the 1942-45 period, and the Brits had to abandon large parts of India (e.g., if Gandhi died in prison, and matters escalated and there was a general revolt.) It means that the Pakjab attitude towards colonialism was different - to a good extent because they were major beneficiaries of British colonial policy.

{a. British recruited army from there, gave land for military service - this is still in effect in Pakistan.
b. When the Muslim landlords got into debt due to extravagant life style, British allowed laws that land could not be alienated. As a result, land these guys had lost to Hindu moneylenders had to be returned.
etc., etc.}

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 May 2010 00:16

Carl_T wrote: Rather what the US likes to see is culturally "westernized" regimes ruling over foreign populaces who are consistently pro-west. That combined with the fact that TSP has been a loyal servant of the US for the past few decades it is unsurprising to see the US favor TSP imo.

But this US tilt began in the early 1950s. And e.g., think of Dulles, Chuck Yeager and n others like them.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 May 2010 00:40

Ayesha Siddiqa on whether Hamid Mir talked to the TTP.
http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/11157

A few nuggets from there.

There are, at least, three ideological groups within the agencies: (a) the Islamiscsts, (b) the pro-West, and (c) pro-China. These groups exert influence and lobby for their perspective. This means that the flow of information to the top brass is conditioned by the ideological bias of the groups. The information-intelligence is then measured against the policy perspective of the top leadership of the army. Thus, Hamid Mir is not the only journalist working for the agencies. There are others as well.

The case in point pertains to that of a female journalist who is dealt with by the external security wing of the ISI. Each ISI division has its own set of journalists. This lady was eventually encouraged by the agencies and the army chief to build familial links with Indian politician through marriage. Her marriage with a famous Indian political figure was made in the GHQ.

and from the comments

Ayesha suggests that the leaked tape episode basically signifies the presence of multiple groups within the intelligence agencies.

This is consistent with what Gibran Peshimam tweeted:

Hamid Mir-Khalid Khwaja issue a proxy war b/w ISI-MI. MI has ISI’s guy KK knocked off; ISI produces damning tape of MI’s guy. Interesting.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 May 2010 00:46

The Punjab ex-CM? Will this news have any impact on INC politicans?

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 18 May 2010 00:47

Carl_T wrote:... TSP has been a loyal servant of the US for the past few decades it is unsurprising to see the US favor TSP imo.

Right sir..I agree that loyalty should not go unnoticed and be rewarded...but it makes me think that if the same loyal land has grown up wild producing jihadis{that too anti US} and is threatening the entire US operation of restoring a functional govt in Afghanistan, the USA's mainland, embassies and bases....any rounded sane personality in US admin. would grill Paki's freedom of begging..but thats not happening...Hillary said of very serious consequences and Mullen rolls back it

....so much of inconsistency, contradiction and deliberate support to Pakistan no matter what...is there any glaring reason which isn't visible?

Venkat

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 May 2010 01:01

Venkarl wrote: ....so much of inconsistency, contradiction and deliberate support to Pakistan no matter what...is there any glaring reason which isn't visible?

Obtuseness. Even if you present evidence of Pakistani perfidy simply by collecting articles written by Pakistanis, with no excerpts but full articles (so that you cannot be accused of selective quoting) to leftwing or libertarian Americans, you get accused of pro-India, anti-Pakistan (and sometimes anti-Muslim) bias.

Both the left-wing and the libertarians want a sort of isolationism, and the drum they beat is that it is US actions that radicalize people and force them to become terrorists (Pervez Hoodbhoy replied, why then did we not see Vietnamese and Cambodian terrorists?). Anything which goes against that narrative, e.g., Pakistan sustains a global jihadi culture on its own, is shouted down.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 18 May 2010 02:00

Opinion: On Being Pakistani

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 18 May 2010 02:20

arun wrote:Entering the debt danger zone
By Shahbaz Rana
May 17, 2010

There will be a net increase of $20 billion in Pakistan’s external debt stock during the next five years and the authorities will require more than $6 billion to service this debt.
...
According to the State Bank of Pakistan’s figures, Islamabad’s external debt stood at $53 billion excluding liabilities till March 2010. The estimates of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the Ministry of Finance show that the external debt stock will pile up to $72.6 billion by 2015. …………………

Pakistan may enter into danger zone by 2012, a year when Islamabad would start paying back $11.3 billion of a relatively expensive loan to the IMF. Independent economic experts believe that in addition to normal debt servicing, which requires about $3 billion per annum, the authorities need another $3 billion just to retire the IMF debt.
...
Express Tribune

Arun
I remember reading in Business Recorder that the current Adviser on Finance is planning to ask IMF for another loan to pay back the current loan. If the request is made before Americans start withdrawing from Afghanistan, I am sure the U.S will pressurize IMF to oblige and Pakistan can continue to treat IMF as an ATM without any limit on funds available. Sad, but true!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 May 2010 02:30

Gerard wrote:Opinion: On Being Pakistani

Sigh, pretty good in pointing out where the problem lies, but still falls prey to Pakistaniyat.

Just a few days ago my uncle expressed his concern in connection with the work I was doing tracing Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad's militant connections back to groups linked to Pakistan's dreaded spy service, the ISI. "You don't understand these people," he warned me. "They can make you disappear and you will never be found again. No one can stand up to them."

But somebody must stand up to them. Pakistan's image in the world, not to mention its future, depends on it.

Image is all important.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 18 May 2010 02:32

After Mumbai attacks......Pakis got 23 billion dollars including latest IMF aid of 7.xx billion dollars{Japan??}.....don't know what India's foreign desk is doing

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 May 2010 03:18

Gerard wrote:Opinion: On Being Pakistani

Thirty-five years ago, when my parents decided to move to Canada, things were much different. Pakistanis... were much in demand -- an intelligent, hard-working people who integrated and contributed positively to society, wherever they went.

Really? Wasn't the term "paki" coined just about during this "golden era of western demand for everything paki and their "near perfect integration" within the western societies? Self delusional and lack of understanding the ground realities why pakis have been and still are abhored overseas.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 May 2010 03:21

chaanakya wrote:Interior Minister Reh man Mal ik absconding from TSP

Spoken too soon. Pakiness wins again!

Zardari issues pardon in Malik's corruption conviction

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 May 2010 03:27

arun wrote:Shortcut Aziz’s legacy lives on. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is back to the old habit of sexing up GDP figures:
NAC’s estimated growth figures may have been fudged

Govt adopts novel tactic to project higher growth rate