Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

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pankajs wrote:Osama's Pak hideout to be flattened by rockets
Islamabad: The house in Pakistan where al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was shot dead by US Navy Seals will be flattened by rocket-propelled grenades and then bulldozed.

Pakistani military chiefs have planned to do so in order to prevent the walled complex becoming a sick shrine to the al Qaeda terror master, The Sun reports.

We will hit it like an enemy fort. :rotfl: But first we must erase everything related to bin Laden from our country,” Interior Minister Rehman Malik said.

According to the report, the demolition will take place next month.

Pakistan chief military spokesman Major General Athar Abbas said US and European officials will be invited, adding that “it would be a big event”.

Pakistan has been accused of turning a blind eye to the hideout in Abbottabad, 30 miles from capital Islamabad.

US intelligence officers have completed a forensic trawl and Arabic translators are wading through 187,000 documents seized after Osama’s death on May 2011.
Our brothers to the west are not content with just bulldozering the Osama complex. A bit more drama will likely erase the memory of their complicity in harboring Osama it seems. Typical paki stunt.
Osama was a strategic asset bringing in millions of dollar for the pakistani military state. Destroying his hideout was a rumour.
Not demolishing Osama compound: Pak military
The Pakistani military on Tuesday said it was not planning to demolish the compound where Osama bin Laden was killed by special US forces last year, denying a British media report that plans had been drawn up to dismantle the Abbottabad compound. A military spokesman said remarks in the media attributed to Inter-Services Public Relations chief Maj Gen Athar Abbas regarding the demolition of bin Laden's compound were "totally baseless".
http://zeenews.india.com/news/south-asi ... 51871.html
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Asif Ali Zardari says he is ready to give us presidency

All Hail as Imran Khan will be next CEO of Pakistan
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Old article
Between ‘ghairat’ and strategy
An extraordinary event has taken place in Islamabad. Over two dozen Pakistani ambassadors and high commissioners, serving in the key capitals of the world, have asked the government to base its foreign policy on strategy and not on emotion. They were commenting on the post-Salala attack reactive measures against the Isaf-Nato forces in Afghanistan, while seeking to reassess Pakistan’s policy towards the US under the spur of an intense national emotion often called ‘ghairat’ by self-seeking politicians.
The Pakistan Army was never mandated to think strategically because of its weak state revisionism against a much stronger status quo India. Strategy would have involved an assessment of Pakistan as a geographic reality with a severely constrained economic base, depending on external military assistance which could only be applied in conflict through a breach of contract with the suppliers.

Today, the reality is that Pakistan remains a poor candidate for filling the Afghan vacuum after the US leaves the region. Its claim that it can influence the Afghan Taliban is spurious, which means that it has no leverage over any envisaged peace talks. It has no control over the Pakistani Taliban either. At most, Pakistan’s military can act as a spoiler with no guarantee that it will be able to secure the country against any future Afghan fallout.
People are refusing to pay their electricity bills and have destroyed Wapda offices. Teachers, nurses and railway workers are on the roads and are threatening to jam the cities if they are not given salary increases commensurate with the rate of inflation. The railway workers have vowed to take over the national railway system. The broken down national airline, PIA, is waiting for a big accident to happen. The coming ‘revolution’ in Pakistan promises to be a monumental act of vandalism.

The national consensus, however, is on ghairat drummed up by a ‘guided’ media. It is unfair to the people of Pakistan and it is unfair to the democratic system we are trying to run in Pakistan. Ghairat is a military slogan raised prior to plunging into war and does not suit a civilised nation. We must base our policy on considerations of Pakistan’s economy and not on national honour because there is nothing more dishonourable than being poor.
One older still
Goodbye ghairat
‘Ghairat’ (pride or honour), is a term that is often heard and used in the Pakistani media these days.
It is a term that reflects images and sounds related to the muscle-flexing, big-talking and huff-puffing ways of ultra-patriots, or in case of Pakistan’s electronic media – free-wheeling loud-mouthed charlatans playing the role of fiery dyed-in-wool patriots.
The scary bit is that it is this ghairat brigade that has ironically found itself at the centre of a society in turmoil – actually answering and addressing the many political, spiritual and ideological inquiries emerging from within a highly disturbed, battered and confused society.
Fed on various conspiracy theories and sheer political and historical myths cleverly created by intelligence agencies and pseudo-historians, most of the ghairatmand are no more informed than your average drawing-room punter – or worse, that young middle-class lad or lass who feels elated by thinking that he or she has covered all aspects of politics and religion with the help of a few lectures by a certified conspiracy crank or by watching a straight-to-YouTube ‘documentary’.

But alas, the state Pakistan’s society is in for these past few years, where hardly any positives come the way of the people (especially its youth), the concept of ghairat moulded with empty muscle-flexing and collective feel-good theories about our nationalistic and religious greatness, serves as a way for the people to pretend that all is not lost.
Honourable sloganeering and going around pin-pointing ‘enemies’ and traitors, blasphemers and ‘agents’ will not achieve much. In fact, it will achieve nothing other than making us one of the laziest people who spend most of their energy complaining or being paranoid on the one hand, or sweating out bombastic and passionate patriotic chants and some more talk about ghairat.

Such bubbles when they burst, hurt. In fact, they then leave those who had lived in these bubbles feeling stupid if not downright insulted. And it is nobody’s fault but their own.
But what happens when reality does come knocking? Look no further than the faces of the ghairat brigade in the media these days.

Always feeling cheated by the politicians, this time they felt cheated by even those whom they had praised of being equally ghairatmand (the shadowy ones).

The truth is it was these shadowy folks who actually began the ghairat spiel, feeding it into the public mindset through their willing mouthpieces in the shape of ‘security analysts,’ talk-show hosts, anchors and right-wing politicians with weak electoral prowess.
The shocking (but not surprising) verdict in the Raymond Davis case has once and for all exposed the utter fallacy and meaninglessness of what was the Pakistani media’s latest ideological hoax called ghairat.

This country has witnessed many such hoaxes, sometimes in the name of Islam, sometimes accountability and each time these hoaxes have fallen flat on their faces, making the nation look like a bunch of emotional fools incapable of handling any issue with reason, pragmatism and sense.

It is time we say goodbye to this hollow ghairat. We must find honour, dignity and respect through constructive work in the fields of economics, science and the arts, instead of looking for ghairat by crying out war chants, paranoid accusations and waving our skinny wrists and fists while pretending to ride our way to ghairatmand glory on our much cherished nuclear missiles.
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‘Unconstitutional change’ in Pakistan to dismay UK, says envoy
LONDON: UK’s high commissioner in Islamabad Adam Thomson said on Tuesday any unconstitutional change in Pakistan would be met with dismay in Britain, stressing that his country had a stake in democracy in the South Asian nation.

Thomson told a press briefing here that it was in Britain’s interest to see the one legitimately-elected government transferring power to another legitimately-elected government through legitimate procedures, without any clash or interruption.
Thomson said Pakistan had seen a “progressive stabilisation” since 2008, adding that institutions there had learned to live with each other; and they understood their limitations that “it’s dangerous to step beyond that sphere” and that they worked together and competed.
But he warned: “The success of Isaf (International Security Assistance Force) and the Afghan forces is directly in the interests of Pakistan. It’s not in the long-run interest of Pakistan to undermine the military effectiveness of Isaf.”

He conceded that the West could not achieve its objectives in Afghanistan without Pakistan’s full support and called for having an understanding of the “legitimate concerns and worries of Pakistan’s military”.
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Federal cabinet reposes full confidence in President, PM
ISLAMABAD: Federal cabinet on Wednesday reposed full confidence in the leadership of Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and President Asif Ali Zardari, Geo News reported.
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Allegations by Gilani against COAS, DG ISI very serious: ISPR
In a deepening civil-military divide, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) has taken notice of Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani’s interview to a Chinese newspaper in which he said that the army chief and DG ISI gave statements to the Supreme Court without the government’s approval.

A statement released on the ISPR website on Wednesday said that the allegations leveled against Chief of Army Staff General (COAS) Ashfaq Pervez Kayani and Director General Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Ahmed Shuja Pasha were very serious and had “very serious ramifications with potentially grievous consequences for the country”.

It stated that Gilani gave the interview to The People’s Daily Online at the time when Kayani was also on an official visit to China.

“The Honourable Prime Minister inter alia termed the responses given by COAS and DG ISI in the alleged Memo Case to the Honourable Supreme Court of Pakistan as unconstitutional and illegal.” However, it added, that Gilani’s statement did not take into account the fact that the COAS and the DG ISI were cited as respondents in the Memogate scandal by the Supreme Court and were served notices directly.

It also highlighted that in an earlier meeting between the prime minister and Kayani, the PM had publicly stated that the replies submitted by the respondents were “in response to the notice of the Court through proper channel and in accordance with the rules of business” and no objection was raised at that time.

The statement said: “COAS and DG ISI in their response to the Honourable Supreme Court were obliged to state facts as known to them, on the Memo Issue. The issue of jurisdiction and maintainability of the Petitions was between the Honourable Supreme Court and the Federation.”
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Pakistan PM fires top defence official after army generals attack on civilian leadership
Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani sacked his defence secretary on Wednesday for "gross misconduct" as tensions with the military exploded following an army warning to the civilian leader.
Gilani removes Lodhi from Defence Secretary post
ISLAMABAD: Lt Gen (Retd) Naeem Khalid Lodhi was removed from the post of Defence Secretary by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani on Wednesday, a move that is likely to create further friction between the government and the military.

“Prime minister has terminated the contract of defence secretary Naeem Khalid Lodhi for gross misconduct,” a senior government official told AFP.

Nargis Sethi has been given the additional charge of Defence Secretary.

The move comes amid high tension over an unsigned memo that sought US help in reining in Pakistan’s generals.

Lodhi had earlier, in his reply to the Supreme Court in the Memogate case, had said that the government did not have ‘operational control’ over the army and its intelligence arm, the Inter-Services Intelligence.

Participants at a Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) core committee meeting had demanded that the government take ‘appropriate action’ against Defence Secretary Naeem Khalid Lodhi, for his ‘controversial statement’ in the court.

Analyst Ikram Sehgal said that, “Firing Lodhi may be a first step by the government in removing the Chief of Army Staff and the DG ISI… the Army will be forced to react.”
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Got whacked by NATO, got whacked by the Taliban, got whacked 4 times by IA, biggest mass surrender post WW2 in 71..but now doing what it does best..fighting Civilians. Popcorn and chilled beer time.
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Pak military warns of serious consequences to PM's statement against ISI

Islamabad: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has dismissed Defense Secretary Lt General (retd) Khalid Naeem Lodhi, seen to be close to the Army. The move comes amid growing tension between the army and government.

There are also reports that there could be more swift changes.

Pakistan's military today warned of 'grievous consequences' after the prime minister was reported to have accused the army chief and the head of the ISI of violating the constitution.

The military statement on Wednesday is the latest sign of a destabilizing clash between the army and the government of President Asif Ali Zardari, which many commentators believe could end in the dismissal of the current administration.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani was quoted as telling a Chinese newspaper that army chief Gen. Pervez Ashfaq Kayani had violated the constitution by submitting statements to the Supreme Court about a scandal involving a memo sent to Washington that is rocking the country.

The army statement said this had "very serious ramifications with potentially grievous consequences for the country."

It did not elaborate.

Lt Gen Lodhi has been replaced by Pakistan's Cabinet Secretary Nargis Sethi, who will assume additional charge of Defense Secretary. Nargis Sethi is seen as close to Prime Minister Gilani.

(With AP inputs)


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From twitter: Groper to address nation soon
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Kiyani will do nothing. He is a dog who will bark but not bite.
They may force dus-percenti to ease out Groper. Let's see if AZ stands by Groper or if SC throws both of them out.
It is truly a banana republic where sacking of def sec becomes issue of serious consequence for the Govt.
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Sri wrote:SS Sir, the inquiry was rigged. They did not invite US Govt to provide evidence of involvement of ISI in the killing. The inquiry report categorically states that there is NO proof of involvement any Govt department in the killing.
Is the report available in public domain ? They have not yet revealed the report as to who killed Liaquat Ali Khan (though everybody knows it was the 'Establishment' of Ghulam Mohammed(later President of Pakistan), Chaudhry Mohammed Ali (later Prime Minister of Pakistan) and Iskander Mirza).
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The media is going crazy with developments in Paki-land. Seems something good will come out of this after all, keeping my fingers crossed and praying very hard that the inner Pakistaniyat would emerge from all the Taqiya that they have been forced to have been kept doing.
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vikramd wrote:Not demolishing Osama compound: Pak military
The Pakistani military on Tuesday said it was not planning to demolish the compound where Osama bin Laden was killed by special US forces last year, denying a British media report that plans had been drawn up to dismantle the Abbottabad compound. A military spokesman said remarks in the media attributed to Inter-Services Public Relations chief Maj Gen Athar Abbas regarding the demolition of bin Laden's compound were "totally baseless".
Normally, that would have been converted into a shrine by the Ahl-e-Sunnat but such shrines are anathema to the Ahl-e-Hadith. Hopefully, some struggle breaks out between these two sects as to how best to commemorate or not to commemorate the legend, OBL. AoA.
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Pakistan army warns of 'consequences' to PM charge
(AP) ISLAMABAD — Pakistan's military warned Wednesday of "grievous consequences" for the country after the prime minister accused the army chief of violating the constitution, adding to a sense of crisis that some believe could end in the ouster of government.
The government dismissed the defense secretary, a retired general seen as an army representative within the civilian government, another ominous sign of near-open conflict in a nation that has seen repeated military coups in its six-decade history.

Tensions between the army and the government of President Asif Ali Zardari have soared since a scandal involving a memo sent to Washington asking for its help in reining in the army broke late last year. The memo outraged the army, and the Supreme Court ordered a probe to establish whether it had been sanctioned by Zardari.
An army statement said those allegations had "very serious ramifications with potentially grievous consequences for the country." It did not elaborate.

Around the same time, Defense Secretary Lt. Gen. Naeem Khalid Lodhi was fired because of "misconduct" relating to his role in submitting the statements to the court, according to a government official who didn't give his name because of the sensitivity of the situation.
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Deadly Blast Hits Pakistan's Khyber Region
At least 23 people are dead and 26 wounded in a blast near a fuel station in the northwestern tribal Khyber region of Pakistan.

Members of the pro-government Zakhakhel tribal militia were filling up their cars when the explosion happened.

Witnesses said the blast was huge and caused damage to a number of vehicles at a nearby bus terminal.

Officials said there was no immediate claim of responsibility.
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This can be interpreted in two ways.
One, Lt. Gen. Lodhi was made the scapegoat to save Gilani's face in his tiff with the GHQ so that the misunderstanding could be termed to have been created by the Defence Secretary, MoD and there was indeed no rift between the PM and the COAS.

Two, it could be also interpreted as Gilani upping the ante vis-a-vis the GHQ since he has dismissed a close confidante of the COAS from the most important position between the GHQ and the civilian government. After all, Lt. Gen. Lodhi was a Gen. Kayani appointee. Zardari, Gilani and the PPP might have probably come to the conclusion that their goose is cooked anyway and it is better to go down fighting heroically.
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I had not thought of the first possibility but you are right. It does provide a 'honorable' exit for all concerned. Let us see.
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pankajs wrote:It does provide a 'honorable' exit for all concerned. Let us see.
But, is the PA a willing partner in the face-saving formula ? Unless KSA & China intervene with the GHQ on behalf of Gilani saheb, he may be on the verge of being called ex-PM.
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PPP MNA quits party
Are the floodgates opening ?
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SSridhar wrote:PPP MNA quits party
Are the floodgates opening ?
Isn't this the same guy who was center point of all Fake Degree debate in pakiland?
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Urgent Petition: Stop Pakistan Army's Crimes against Humanity

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national bird bagged 3 today per reports.
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I think the civilians Duspercenti and Groper decided to go ahead with memogate despite lack of US interest. The reason is the US has no choice but to support them in their stance to send the Army to the barracks.
Also they see the nitwit Khan being foisted as challenger as an affront to Pakjab. SO mango Pakjab will be with them.
Ayub Khan was different being originally Army.

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SSridhar wrote:
This can be interpreted in two ways.
Sridharji, How about a third possibility ? Gilani too thinks that TSPA is a hijda force and ischallenging them to do something ?
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IMO the key here is America. If there is a coup and the US accepts the army then all is lost. But I bet the civilians are getting bold because there is a tacit agreement between USA (and India that the army needs to be dumped and dumped gently. Any rash move from the army will make Pakistan lose its prime sponsor the USA.

What Killany discussed with China is a mystery, but I can surmise what might have occurred

Kiyani: If I take over will you support me?
Chini: Yes
Kiyani: But if the US stops paying us will you pay us instead?
Chini: What for?
Kiyani: I mean what if India attacks us?
Chini: You must mend relations with India
Kiyani: But we are busy helping you by catching Xinjiang terrorists sponsored by RAW from Afghanistan
Chini: Thank you. You have to continue that also.
Kiyani: How can we do that and fight India also?
Chini: Well you are the one who wants to take over the country in addition to all this work. You will be responsible. Our work must be done.
Kiyani: What if India attacks?
Chini: You have to mend relations with India.

The overall idea seems to be to checkmate the army and stop it from taking over with every important country expressing support for the civilians and an unstated threat of unspecified consequences to the army if they take over.
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Singha wrote:national bird bagged 3 today per reports.
This may be after, someone said that they don't fear the bird any more.
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This looks like tussle between khan backed PPP and China backed army. Looks like america has give full support to groper and %tee till they continue and promise of asylum if they fall.
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ashfk kiyanahi has called emergency meeting of his commanders
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Pak in turmoil: Army changes top commander amid coup rumours
Brig Sarfaraz Ali was named the new commander of the 111 Brigade, an infantry formation that is part of the X Corps and has usually been called out during past military takeovers to take over key buildings and installations in Islamabad and Rawalpindi, sources said.

The change of the commander of the brigade could be part of "posturing" by the powerful military as tensions increased with the Pakistan People's Party-led government over the memo scandal, the sources said.
pop corn and mountain dew time ( what to do I am trash that way :wink: )
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Shiv, Interesting as it maybe to think US is in this game, they are not, as they would have used the option after Abortabad and Mehran raids to send the Army back to the barracks.

After being let down by massa and seeing the increasing uppitiyness of the TSPA: propping up Imran Khan, foisting the SC cases and egregious press statements the Civilians look like they have decided they should try a showdown.

And TSPA is responding with gradual escalation to show they had no other alternative.


Maybe the cou brigade commander was more circumspect about the course of events and got replaced with a hardliner or rather a pit bull.
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Nightwatch, 10 Jan 2012

Pakistan: Another constitutional crisis has begun. The Supreme Court of Pakistan has reactivated a two-year old constitutional struggle with the Gilani government that stems from unconstitutional actions taken by Musharraf in the final months of his tenure. New hearings have been set for 16 January that threat to disqualify the President and Prime Minister and other senior officials because prior criminal behavior was unconstitutionally waived by Musharraf or because of contempt of the Supreme Court of Pakistan in failing to implement its orders.


The six options given to the Attorney General for implementation, after a two year grace period of inaction by the government, are stark.


"01: To initiate the contempt of court proceedings against the Chief Executive (Prime Minister Gilani) and the Secretary Law for not implementing the NRO verdict.


02: To declare the chief executive ineligible from the membership of the Parliament.


03: The court may form a commission to get the verdict implemented.


04: The people themselves decide on the issue and the court exhibit patience ( i.e., hold a referendum).


05: Contempt proceedings against Chairman National Accountability Bureau may be initiated.


06: The action may be taken against President for violating the Constitution."

The Supreme Court said in its order in NRO implementation case that, 'The government is not taking interest to observe the order for the last two years. We knew that the actions we are about to take may be unpleasant….The court has taken an oath to defend the Constitution. The prime minister respected the party (the Pakistan People's Party) over the Constitution.'


Background: The National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO) was a controversial ordinance issued by the former President of Pakistan, General Pervez Musharraf, on 5 October 2007. It granted amnesty to politicians, political workers and bureaucrats who were accused of corruption, embezzlement, money laundering, murder, and terrorism between 1 January 1986, and 12 October 1999, the time between two states of martial law in Pakistan. Those amnestied included Benazir Bhutto and her husband President Zardari and more than 8,000 politicians and senior government officials.


The NRO was the equivalent to an executive order by Musharraf pardoning himself and thousands of people not yet charged with crimes, in most instances. It enabled Bhutto to return to Pakistan without getting arrested for her conviction for serious abuse of office when she was Prime Minister and allowed her to run for office. Her husband, President Zardari, was notoriously corrupt. So he also benefitted from Musharraf's deal with Bhutto under the NRO. Convicted criminals are banned from public office under the constitution.


It was declared unconstitutional by the full bench of the Supreme Court of Pakistan on 16 December 2009. More than 200 persons have lost their jobs because of the Supreme Court's findings, but the government has refused to act against the President or Prime Minister, claiming immunity as long as they are in office.


Comment: The timing of this court order, after two years, suggests that the Pakistan Army leadership has authorized the Supreme Court to revive a constitutional issue that the Court had agreed to suspend two years ago in the interest of national security and apparently at the Army's request. The Army and the Court seem to agree that it is time for the Pakistan People's Party coalition government to go and take President Zardari with it.
Jives with my above post on TSPA role in reviving the SC case!
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Someone has thrown in the towel.
COAS contacted me before releasing statement: PM
Islamabad: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has said that Army Chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani contacted him before issued a statement.
Talking to media here in Islamabad, prime minister said that his interview to the Chinese newspaper was scheduled and when he was completed the interview the Army Chief has landed in Pakistan.
He said that Army chief contacted him and said that he wanted to clear the Army stance over the rejoinding in Supreme Court in memo gate scandal.
The prime minister further said that he was shocked when the SC said that he was not an upright man. He said that he was elected as parliament many times and his father had also taken part in politics so the SC should listen him before the verdict.
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PTI will not support any unconstitutional step by army: Imran Khan
LAHORE: Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan said that even though his party and the people of Pakistan want to get rid of the present government, PTI would never accept any undemocratic and unconstitutional step by the army to remove the government.
Talking to the media at his residence, Khan said that the present confrontation between the institutions was unfortunate but the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) pushed itself into it, so that they can get sympathy votes in the upcoming elections.
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ramana wrote:And TSPA is responding with gradual escalation to show they had no other alternative.
may be this is why unkil is restarting the drone attacks. :-?
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Dilbu wrote:Khan said that the present confrontation between the institutions was unfortunate but the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) pushed itself into it, so that they can get sympathy votes in the upcoming elections.
This may be the key to PPP's stand. If the NRO issue is going to hit them one way or another, taking down the government, why not make it out as an unfair fight between PPP on one side and the rest of the world (Army, Judiciary and the opposition) on the other side. This kind of posturing may actually make the Army and Judiciary a little hesitant. No want want's to make a martyr out of the other side in a mango abdul public opinion contest.

There are other factors too as the folks here have pointed out already. This is in addition to those views.
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Question : Is there going to a separate thread for "Coup in Bakistan" or we have to keep posting here? All news channels have put star presenter on alert and I have my fine wine bottle ready..............hope we do not have to wait.
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Kamboja wrote:My god, that Tharoor speech was absolutely *filled* with digs at the Pakis done firmly tongue in cheek!! Two lines in quick succession had me laughing out loud: 'I heard from a Pakistani former ambassador the idea to cooperate on wind energy: we have the technology and you have the wind!', and right after that, 'of course we want the Indian team back in Pakistan... unfortunately their calendar seems to be full!'

He was openly laughing at the Pakis throughout, and most of it went sailing over their heads. Hilarious and delicious!
If a man digs inside a pit latrine and no one digs it but the digger, is it still a dig?
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KLNMurthy wrote:
Kamboja wrote:My god, that Tharoor speech was absolutely *filled* with digs at the Pakis done firmly tongue in cheek!! Two lines in quick succession had me laughing out loud: 'I heard from a Pakistani former ambassador the idea to cooperate on wind energy: we have the technology and you have the wind!', and right after that, 'of course we want the Indian team back in Pakistan... unfortunately their calendar seems to be full!'

He was openly laughing at the Pakis throughout, and most of it went sailing over their heads. Hilarious and delicious!
If a man digs inside a pit latrine and no one digs it but the digger, is it still a dig?
Look out for the Pak response to the two nation theory.
They are blaming the Cabinet mission plan and federation for the problem and there is deeper plan to keep this argument.
They no longer use Jinnah and two different people for their justification

They may show dumbness but do not underestimate their larger goals.
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Acharya wrote: They may show dumbness but do not underestimate their larger goals.
Truly wise words.
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