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Shreeman wrote: It is a blog. ...

Main newspaper is different.
no saar, this is main site..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/aba ... story.html

this is abc
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=28460622
And it comes in spite of the fact that Modi is a right-wing Hindu extremist.
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So .. make a list of the writers and give them grades. With documented links to their writings.
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Gus wrote:
Shreeman wrote: It is a blog. ...

Main newspaper is different.
no saar, this is main site..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/aba ... story.html

this is abc
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=28460622
And it comes in spite of the fact that Modi is a right-wing Hindu extremist.
Yes, Gus. I too posted this on this page itself. This deserves criticism, and pointing out that this is Kerry SD poisoning the well for the Obama whitehouse. The blog entry on the fashion ought to be left out as minor distraction deserved by any celebrity. I was pointing out the distraction.

Re. mangolian advice, misphortunately its just as well to assume everyone is on the list. Just like us, except I dont know of any non-failing score.

I am happy to create a IndiaFriendlynessScore (patent pindi) tool if people want to send curated articles its way (no timelines committed to). Crawling is not my interest, but think tanking based on curated data may be a meaningful use of some time.
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Like Swami Aqalwalananda said, when they cant discuss ideas they will discuss the person.
WAP, NYT etc will all preach but cant do nothing.
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Gus wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/aba ... story.html

this is abc
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=28460622
And it comes in spite of the fact that Modi is a right-wing Hindu extremist.

I don't see this as bad. US has demonstrated that the one kind of player who they will eventually always bow down to deal with....is he "extremist": Saudis, "good taleban", now seemingly the Ayatollahs against ISIS, etc.

the "extremists" are guaranteed to eventually bring the USA down from its pedestal and play ball. that's what US history teaches us. that's what Taliban teaches us.

be as "extreme" as you want. nothing wrong with it.
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Then there is this comment"

Oh Devin! Sigh!

"...And it comes in spite of the fact that Modi is a right-wing Hindu extremist."

And Netanyahu's address to the US Congress comes in spite of the fact that he is a 'right wing Jewish extremist' except you wont say that because you'll lose your job.

And what else won't you say because you might lose your 'job'?

Different phrases for different faces

Journalism at its most slythereen.

So sad.
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When will wikileaks/snowden report that all news from formal/official media goes through a pipe and is edited for content, approved before it makes it to public release. Cant be edited after approved.
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From Official White House Website
The Highlights of President Obama's Visit to India

Has photos, videos, and text of remarks etc ..(or links to them).
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YouTube: ( 45 Minutes Video)
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"True Global Partners: Incentivizing Trade and Investment"

Under President Obama, trade between the two countries has increased by about 60 percent to nearly $100 billion a year -- a record high. But that's still hundreds of billions less than the trade we do with China. "We've got to do better," the President said, wpeaking at a U.S.-India Business Council Summit in New Delhi. So today, the PResident announced a series of additional steps that will generate more than $4 billion in trade and investment with India while supporting thousands of jobs in both countries:

The Export-Import Bank will commit up to $1 billion in financing to support "Made-in-America" exports to India.
OPIC will support lending to small and medium businesses across India that will result in more than $1 billion in loans in underserved rural and urban markets.
The U.S. Trade and Development Agency will aim to leverage nearly $2 billion in investmnets in renewable energy in India.
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Supreme Court order might have influenced Barack Obama to cut short trip


by Praveen Swami January 24, 2015

President Barack Obama’s decision to cancel his visit to Agra came after Uttar Pradesh authorities insisted that he would not be allowed to use his armour-plated car to drive through the Taj Mahal’s eastern gate, government sources have told The Indian Express. The Secret Service, which protects President Obama, said having him travel into the complex in a battery-powered golf-cart posed an unacceptable security risk.

The Supreme Court had earlier directed all visitors to the Taj Mahal to disembark at the Shilpgram complex, 500 metres away, and board an electric vehicle to the entry gate.

Uttar Pradesh’s government, the sources said, refused to grant special access permission for President Obama’s bomb-proof personal vehicle, as well as almost 50 other vehicles carrying close-protection personnel and electronic security equipment.

“Basically”, a senior Home Ministry official said, “they told us to get an order from the Supreme Court, which was of course impossible in the time we had left”. Uttar Pradesh officials have offered no official comment on the issue.

The Secret Service’s 100-odd staff who were in Agra for the visit left their hotels on Friday night, after receiving instructions to stand down.

President Obama, government sources said, will now leave for Saudi Arabia early on January 27, to condole with the family of the recently-deceased Saudi monarch. Vice-President Joseph Biden had earlier been scheduled to undertake this duty.
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something something http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150 ... 77385.html human rights something something, visit saudi arabia instead.
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X Posted from the “Republic Day 2015 - News and Discussion” thread.

I am in complete agreement with the Congress Party on this one.

The Indian nation requires an explanation from our Prime Minister Modi on why this surprising omission of displaying the Agni Missile is a masterstroke and not kowtowing to the US:

Did government hold back on display of military might, wonders Congress leader Manish Tewari

For good order and to allay fears that this is a Congress Party manufactured story, Hindu article confirming that the Agni Missile was not displayed this Republic Day:

Agni missing as Obama witnesses Republic Day parade
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Whilst speaking at Siri Fort Auditorium, President Obama, supports India's inclusion as a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council
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interesting co-incidence
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Aircraft Carrier Stennis Has Biggest Ordnance Onload Since 2010

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-2 ... nload-2010


US Invasion of Yemen is only Weeks Away

http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/2015/0 ... eeks-away/
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Did I not tip you off about the real reason for O'Bomber's skipping the Taj?! The barber's source was spot on.Tx Chetak for confirming the same.

Oh dear! hasn't the US learnt nothing from its expeditionary wars in the MEast? Will US grunts once again taste the sand of the desert in their mouths and eventually the bitter taste of deefat? They've been unable to control ISIS,have retreated from Iraq,Afghamistan and are scared sh*tless about attacking Syria in strength,but have decided that Yemen will be a more achievable goal.
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^^^ Or maybe, that is exactly what the US wants to do. Throw every possible country / neighbourhood in a mess. More the wars, better it is for some in US. The homeland is not touched.

The US is keeping as many places and as many people in State of constant conflict as possible and its weapons are used by both sides.

Added Later: The Govt in Yemen was a US supported puppet and their messing around only continues.
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ISIS was let loose in order to keep the Shias at bay and to secure territory to get a pipeline to the Mediterranean to supply Europe with natural gas and oil which would be transacted in dollars. Why do you think the Russians are so pissed? They will now throw everything they got behind the FSA and cripple ISIS just enough so that it doesn't pose a threat to the Saudi royals.
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RoyG wrote:ISIS was let loose in order to keep the Shias at bay and to secure territory to get a pipeline to the Mediterranean to supply Europe with natural gas and oil which would be transacted in dollars. Why do you think the Russians are so pissed? They will now throw everything they got behind the FSA and cripple ISIS just enough so that it doesn't pose a threat to the Saudi royals.
Who will underwrite such pipeline that passes through such fluid area ...... you need long term political stability for pipeline to build and work.
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Barftime

Imagine if the FDOTUS had visited (I don't mean the plural FDsOTUS). I think the Pakistani Ambassador ran on to the ramp mainly to greet him, and was utterly devastated by his absence.
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In one view, it can be argued that the noise created by US on Shale oil abundance and viability for extraction in US, and the shared compulsion Saudis felt in hurting Russia, Syria and Iran helped to drive down oil price more than all their trillion dollar wars in Iraq, Af-Pak, Libya which also costed US thousands of lives and tens of thousands of wounded soldiers. US being the world's biggest importer of oil, benefited the most economically and strategically by hurting Russia, Venezuela and Iran (all arch enemies of US).

That indicates that the US's continued adventures in middle east are not primarily driven by oil but by the long term big game considerations - US considers itself at war with fundamentalist Islamic world and wants to keep middle east a boiling pot, regardless of economic benefits of meddling with any specific country. That would also explain their meddling in Bangladesh... one of the few muslim states of sizable population that has some sort of internal peace (relatively speaking). Not all of its meddling in Bangladesh is to get access to a port there (which will also be an equally important consideration). Geographically, a port in SL would help US much more than a port in the recessed bay of Bengal.

Before we dismiss US' misadventures in middle east as egomaniacal mis-steps by Uncle Sam, we need to fully flush out the US strategic game plan for mid-east. It will have lot of import for India as Indian interests do not align with those of US in quite a few critical middle eastern countries at least for the near future. Longer term, probably both countries are interested in seeing islamic fundamentalism defeated.
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The only disappointing factor in Ombaba's parting speech was his lecturing of religious tolerance to India. If anything, US has a lot to learn about religious harmony from India and is in no place to lecture India on this score. India does not need to take this non-sense.

Partly our media is to blame for depicting a slightly right of center conservative party and organization such as BJP and RSS as extremist evil yindoos. All the stupid noise they made regarding Ghar wapsi makes a casual non Indian observer think as if RSS / VHP are converting by force / inducements!
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^^What an irony! Obama's "lecture" to Indians about religious tolerance actually confirms that he and his country's leadership are slaves to the virulently religious Christian fanatics who indulge in the despicable practice of proselytization. The Christian fanatics in US politics should pay heed to their own advice and allow Hinduism to survive in its birthplace. They should stop funding hatred through Christian charities in India, and put an end to harvesting "poor Hindu souls".


I think he also commented about women's safety in another speech. The leader of the country which leads the world in domestic abuse and per-capita rape has the gall to come and lecture Indians on women's safety and well being. I think they should first stop treating their women as sexual objects and punching bags.

What a shameful end to this visit!
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Now that the visit is over can someone summarize what was achieved?
In real and virtual terms.

Thanks,

ramana
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ramana wrote:Now that the visit is over can someone summarize what was achieved?
In real and virtual terms.

Thanks,

ramana
Here is an Opinion from WSJ:

New Delhi and Washington’s China Convergence
Even with its standard of “multi-aligned” diplomacy, India has much to gain from deepening ties with the U.S.

Just a few years ago, Pakistan would have dominated any conversation between an Indian prime minister and an American president. During President Obama’s visit to India this week for talks with Prime Minister Narendra Modi, however, the two no doubt spent significantly more time discussing their shared geopolitical challenge in China. In managing relations with Beijing and deepening security ties across the Indo-Pacific, New Delhi and Washington can help each other help themselves.

Four months after Mr. Modi’s visit to Washington, Obama came to India as the first U.S. president to make two visits to the country while in office and the first American “chief guest” at India’s Republic Day celebrations. While the visit was long on symbolism and enthusiasm, as evidenced by yesterday’s parade, translating a strategic vision of partnership into concrete cooperation has proven difficult in recent years.

American and Indian leaders often speak about the natural affinities between the two nations, but the U.S.-India relationship has had a tendency to drift. There is therefore a premium on Messrs. Obama and Modi articulating a case for closer ties that is rooted not only in shared values but in common strategic interests.

Mitigating the potentially disruptive effects of a rising China should be first among those interests. The transformation of U.S.-India relations that began in 2001 was based in part on the common desire to balance China’s growing power. Neither nation sought specifically to contain Beijing but rather to hedge against future uncertainty by deepening ties, security ties in particular, among Indo-Pacific powers, including with each other.

While he was still a candidate, Mr. Modi, then the chief minister of Gujarat, declared that “no power on earth can snatch away Arunchal Pradesh,” the disputed territory on China’s border, and called on Beijing to abandon “its mindset of expansion.” But since his election, the prime minister has emphasized economic growth above all else, securing a $20 billion Chinese-investment pledge during his September summit with President Xi Jinping —even as Indian and Chinese troops faced off in a contested area of Ladakh.

The border standoff subsided, but flare-ups along the line of actual control are hardly the only Chinese moves that concern New Delhi. The Modi government remains wary of Beijing’s intentions, including its attempts to deepen ties with India’s neighbors Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal and Burma, and its efforts to project power into the Indian Ocean.

While Indian worries about a Chinese “string of pearls” stretching from the Middle East to China are premature, New Delhi is right to seek an Indo-Pacific region that is not dominated by any one Asian power. This requires ensuring that Asia’s democratic countries are also strong. Mr. Modi has smartly moved to enhance security ties with Australia, Japan and the members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

Cooperation with Washington, Indian officials believe, is another signal to China that India is a serious player on the global stage. Here lie the opportunities for U.S.-Indian progress, in areas such as defense co-production, joint military exercises and training, harmonizing approaches to the South China Sea, strengthening trilateral cooperation between the U.S., India and Japan, and reviving the quadrilateral security dialogue between those three countries and Australia.

Yet strengthening ties with China’s neighbors also poses a dilemma for India. For all the recent emphasis on India’s emergence as a global power, approximately 600 million Indians still live on $2 per day, 300 million Indians are unconnected to the power grid, and per capita income remains less than $2,000. Mr. Modi’s focus on economic growth has driven a search for international relationships that will maximize India’s economic fortunes.

This implies establishing productive ties with as many countries as possible. Security expert Brahma Chellaney calls this India’s new “multi-aligned” approach, where Mr. Modi balances closer cooperation with major powers, including China, and avoids having to choose one power over another.

This may be incommensurate with the global leadership role Indian officials profess to seek. Neither New Delhi nor Washington will sign up to a polarized campaign that seeks to isolate China, but neither can they avoid taking a stand on contentious problems ranging from maritime claims to border disputes to cybersecurity. In the aftermath of President Obama’s visit to New Delhi, there will be a new opportunity to see just how long India can keep juggling all of its foreign policy concerns at the same time.

Mr. Fontaine is president of the Center for a New American Security in Washington.
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Well mission accomplished Ramana.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/world ... arade.html

In India, Obama Elevates the Nation’s Self-Esteem
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Chellaney thinks in terms of hard gains US did not get much compared to 2010 when he went back with multi billion dollar deals for P8I and C17 aircraft. India is getting better at playing the game.
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by Schinnas
Before we dismiss US' misadventures in middle east as egomaniacal mis-steps by Uncle Sam, we need to fully flush out the US strategic game plan for mid-east.
US strategic plan for mid-east is to use up all the oil and then leave them dry!! This started after the invasion of Saudi Arabia by Saddam Hussein., thus started the Green Revolution and money into research for other technology and now we have viable electronic cars, etc.
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arun wrote:X Posted from the “Republic Day 2015 - News and Discussion” thread.

I am in complete agreement with the Congress Party on this one.

The Indian nation requires an explanation from our Prime Minister Modi on why this surprising omission of displaying the Agni Missile is a masterstroke and not kowtowing to the US:

Did government hold back on display of military might, wonders Congress leader Manish Tewari

For good order and to allay fears that this is a Congress Party manufactured story, Hindu article confirming that the Agni Missile was not displayed this Republic Day:

Agni missing as Obama witnesses Republic Day parade

Hey listen. We can aim a rocket at Mars. What new information will parading an Agni around, communicate to the US president?

Its not kowtowing. Its called being humble and diplomatic. You can also call it avoid "nazar" if you are superstitious.

1. Agni's can bomb the white house. We don't blast that fact from the rooftops.
2. Brahmos is very long ranged. Ditto
3. Many other military facts that are kept hidden in order to reduce worry over India's military capability.
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schinnas wrote:
Before we dismiss US' misadventures in middle east as egomaniacal mis-steps by Uncle Sam, we need to fully flush out the US strategic game plan for mid-east.
well put. The one question I have is: why are the saudis cooperating in this exercise that will bleed them dry in the long term, just like it is bleeding the other oil producers? Is is because the Saudi elite is invested in the USA and elsewhere sufficiently to make up for the loss of oil revenue in KSA with profits in the US stock market/investments?

The weak part of this US plan is that there is enough of the developing world that will not hesitate to do business with the other oil producers at the low prices -- which may also explain all the US BS about "global warming is the most serious problem in the world for the next 60,000 years" these days. They need to use other ways to keep oil consumption down by these emerging economies even as they spike the oil suppliers that are their enemies.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/28/world ... pe=article
Modi and Obama, Hugging for India’s Security
Mr. Modi has been known to hug other leaders whom he considers trusted partners: Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan and, more recently, Prime Minister Tony Abbott of Australia. There has been a lot of talk about personal chemistry over the last few days, but Mr. Modi is extremely careful about the signals he sends. So let me suggest the following way of understanding this development: as a “quadrilateral security hug.”

Eight years ago, India signed up for the “quadrilateral security dialogue,” an experiment that included Australia, Japan and the United States — but not China. Introduced by Mr. Abe and endorsed by Dick Cheney, the vice president of the United States at the time, the effort eventually drew in Singapore and culminated in joint military exercises in the Bay of Bengal on a scale never previously seen in the region, anchored by an American nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, the Nimitz.

It didn’t last long. Even before the four countries convened for their first joint meeting, China had sent formal diplomatic protests to Washington, New Delhi, Canberra and Tokyo, complaining of what some called a “mini-NATO.” Less than two years later, at a summit meeting with China, Australia announced that it was withdrawing from the quadrilateral dialogue. Mr. Abe left office after that. So did Mr. Cheney. Indian policy makers had been ambivalent to begin with. After that, the idea died on the vine.

But Mr. Modi appears interested in reviving some version of the project. When he met with Mr. Obama for one-on-one talks on Sunday, the first 45 minutes of their conversation were dominated by an animated discussion of China. The two countries then issued a joint statement on a “strategic vision for the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean region,” something India had refused to do in the past, fearing it would be read as hostile to China.

This may be the biggest surprise to come out of this meeting, and it tells us several things about Mr. Modi’s intentions. One is that he has set aside, at least for the moment, his early vision of striking an economic grand bargain with China, the only country capable of injecting tens of billions of dollars for a much-needed modernization of India’s infrastructure. Returning to the bargaining table with Beijing after Sunday’s statement will be tricky. And he is willing to imagine an expansive security role that stretches “from Africa to East Asia,” as the statement put it, a notion that dates back to the days of the British Raj, said Ashok Malik, a columnist who advised Mr. Modi’s campaign last year.

“America is looking at developing India into a net security provider” in the Indo-Pacific area, he said. “I think Modi recognizes that if India doesn’t step up to that role, China will fill the vacuum.”
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But let us not discount the possibility that the hug between the two leaders, for the seconds that it lasted, could be the distant opening bell of a great game.
Seems a reasonable take.
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Like I said!! Electric cars are already feasible (check Tesla) but the Car companies that use petrol have a lobby and thus we have Saudi Arabia!! If advances in tech are kept then in 10-20 years Saudi Arabia won't be able to sell their oil for water!
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Electric cars are feasible but not commercially viable yet -- they cost around 70K$ and can only be used in a limited geographic area. But I agree that long term, it will screw all the oil producers but will not have any effects short term.

The answer is in the "west asia news and discussion"
ED: Saudi Arabia should be understood as essentially a client state of the United States. And so that client status is not dependent on an individual ruler, that client status is still very much intact, and again for Saudi Arabia to be shooting itself in the foot with this global oil price question, continuing the output at these levels draining their own economy just for the purposes of being able to be used as a weapon by the United States against Russia. I think that this illustrates quite clearly the degree to which Saudi Arabia is still within the orbit of the United States and that’s not changing either.
The US basically conned the saudi royalty to operate against the interests of the citizens of KSA -- nothing new there surely.
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sanjaykumar wrote:Well mission accomplished Ramana.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/world ... arade.html

In India, Obama Elevates the Nation’s Self-Esteem
And of course, they will pull some random guy to give a statement like this, in order to continue the stereotype:
“I came because of Obama,” said Vinay Kumar, 32, who had woken at 4:30 a.m. to catch a bus from his home on the city’s outskirts. “We hope he and Modi together will help grow the economy. And help us to get H-1B visas to visit America.”

“I am not looking for a permanent visit,” he added, “just one year or two.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/28/world ... pe=article
China Tries to Stay Aloof From a Warming U.S.-India Relationship
BEIJING — When Chinese troops provoked a standoff with Indian forces on a disputed border high in the Himalayas just before President Xi Jinping of China arrived in India last year, a pall fell over what was supposed to be a landmark visit.

That episode, emblematic of China’s recent aggressiveness in the region, recurred in the minds of some Chinese analysts over the past few days as China observed the warmth between President Obama and Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India during Mr. Obama’s visit to New Delhi.

At the time of Mr. Xi’s trip in September, the Ministry of National Defense in Beijing sheepishly conceded that a Chinese incursion into Indian territory had probably occurred, and people here know that the troop movement, though small in the scheme of things, emboldened Mr. Modi to warn Mr. Xi about China’s expansionist tendencies.

“China’s primary task is to deal with India with sophistication,” Shi Yinhong, a professor of international relations at Renmin University in Beijing, said this week. “But it’s not China’s talent to deal with India in this way.”

The reaction in China to the breadth of strategic and economic issues discussed by the United States and India during Mr. Obama’s visit and to their obvious, though not publicly expressed, mutual anxiety about China has been cool but controlled.

China can see that India’s steadfast policy of navigating an independent position, aloof from power plays in East Asia, is crumbling under the forceful Mr. Modi. Beijing is also aware that India’s problems with the United States, based in large part on Washington’s relationship with India’s archenemy, Pakistan, have diminished, analysts said.

But for the moment, China appears to be banking on India’s long-held position that it will not sign up as a permanent ally of anyone, including the United States.

Moreover, China has seemed eager not to be too negative about the Obama visit so as not to damage the progress, even if limited, made during Mr. Xi’s three days in India. Beijing, now anxious to play down the suspicions between it and New Delhi, sees big opportunities in Indian infrastructure and technology projects as Mr. Modi tries to kick-start the economy.

“We know India does not want to be part of a containment policy against China,” said Hua Chunying, the spokeswoman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs here. “We believe that the zero-sum game belongs to the last century.”

Still, China has paid close attention to the active foreign policy of Mr. Modi, who since assuming office has cultivated not only the United States but also Japan, China’s main rival in East Asia.

China has taken comfort in its economic relationship with India, to which it sells far more than India sells to China. But during a visit to New Delhi last year, the Japanese prime minister, Shinzo Abe, outstripped China on the economic front in advance.

Mr. Xi promised $20 billion in investments in India over the next five years, something of a letdown in New Delhi. Word before his visit had put the investment at $100 billion. In contrast, Mr. Abe had already pledged $32 billion to help improve India’s weak infrastructure.

Mr. Modi enjoys an especially close personal bond with Mr. Abe — the Indian leader is an admirer of Japanese culture — and it was at Mr. Modi’s suggestion that Japan was invited last year to join naval exercises with the United States and India. Beijing was displeased.

Mr. Modi did not stop there: During his talks with Mr. Obama, he suggested revitalizing a loose security network involving the United States, India, Japan and Australia, a grouping that China views with suspicion.

For his part, Mr. Obama persuaded Mr. Modi to sign a statement that implicitly criticized China for its provocative moves in the South China Sea. India had already expressed concerns about China’s behavior in that arm of the western Pacific and is cooperating with Vietnam, another critic of China, on an oil-drilling venture in the area’s waters.

“China feels unhappy but not surprised” about India’s siding with the United States on the South China Sea, said Wu Xinbo, the director of the Center for American Studies at Fudan University in Shanghai. “Will that have any impact on China’s maritime policies? No. What India can do is not substantive in the regional situation.”

China also expressed concerns this week about Mr. Obama’s offer to support India’s membership in the 48-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group, an organization devised to ensure that civilian nuclear trade was not diverted for military uses.

India’s possible membership in the organization was part of a deal worked out between Washington and New Delhi that broke a five-year logjam preventing American companies from building nuclear power plants in India.

India is not a signatory to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, and if it joined the Nuclear Suppliers Group, it would be the only member not to have signed the treaty, which is supposed to prevent states from acquiring nuclear weapons.

“We support the group carrying out discussions on admitting new members, and at the same time we encourage India to take the next steps to satisfy the relevant standards of the group,” Ms. Hua, the Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman, said of India’s proposed membership in the suppliers group.

For China, the biggest long-term worry about the developing relationship between New Delhi and Washington may be the advanced military technology that the United States will probably sell to India in the future, said Mr. Wu of the Center for American Studies.

At the moment, Mr. Wu said, “we don’t view India as a major threat.” But that could change with more American military sales to India.

“That will touch China’s security nerve,” he said. “The more advanced Indian capability will increase the pressure on China.”
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SBajwa wrote:If advances in tech are kept then in 10-20 years Saudi Arabia won't be able to sell their oil for water!
Not really sir, maybe true for the US and a few Euro nations. Even then, it is a big if.

The world is no way close to abandoning oil. Plus electric car tech, which is still the preserve of a few US and Japanese firms, is too expensive to be credible reality. And I don't see it going down soon given the royalties charged by any US tech owner, and US big oil won't allow it to get too cheap either. In fact, the current low fuel prices in the US has many rethinking their plans about giving up their gas guzzling pickups (there were a few posts about that even on BRF!)

As for India, given the precarious power situation where we are not able to meet even the daily household+industrial demand, introducing electric cars that feed off the grid is a far fetched and unfeasible idea. Maybe there will be a few Tesla types in India in 20 years, but even then they will be a niche player.

Then there are still other nations in S. America, Africa, etc. Oil is here to stay for the foreseeable future. JMT and all that.
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arshyam ji: nuclear power and nailing down thorium cycle would be one way for india to get out of the catch 22. But it has its own catch22 which is being broken by 123, if I understand correctly. If india and others develop viable thorium power tech, then dependency on oil will be reduced to a large extent. We are not going to see hard results soon but may be in 25 years or so the direction will be quite visible imho.
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Tuvaluan wrote:schinnas wrote:
Before we dismiss US' misadventures in middle east as egomaniacal mis-steps by Uncle Sam, we need to fully flush out the US strategic game plan for mid-east.
well put. The one question I have is: why are the saudis cooperating in this exercise that will bleed them dry in the long term, just like it is bleeding the other oil producers? Is is because the Saudi elite is invested in the USA and elsewhere sufficiently to make up for the loss of oil revenue in KSA with profits in the US stock market/investments?

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We already know the OT answer. It has to do with the "easy come easy go " nature of saudi culture; they don't have the civilizational outlook to invest in people's growth.
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Someone was asking about coverage of the Visit in some of the US media..

(Actually the fact is that the Times’ coverage of the subject has had the same tone for years now.)
Here it is:

Is there any story about me in NY times? Some one is asking?

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All the annoying stories the New York Times has done on cows, dogs, and monkeys in India

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If there is one area that generations of foreign correspondents in India have diligently covered, it is monkeys.

The New York Times started writing about the rosy-bottomed creatures in the subcontinent in the 1940s—and has not let go even seven decades later, even as India was transformed from a brand new republic to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

On Jan. 23, the venerated American newspaper published an article titled “For Obama’s Visit, India Takes a Broom to Stray Monkeys and Cows.” The story is about how New Delhi’s city council workers tried to keep cows and monkeys off the streets ahead of Obama’s visit.

Ellen Barry, the author of the piece, wrote:
Consider the monkeys, mainly rhesus macaques: Bold enough to climb in kitchen windows to check the contents of refrigerators, they are also viewed as a representation of the Hindu deity Hanuman, so they cannot be harmed without prompting a major outcry.”
But the story—and the “orientalist” coverage that it typifies—were mocked in India and abroad.
Update: “I cannot speak for the Times, but my own interest in monkeys goes back long before I was hired at the newspaper: This Gig Is a Real Grind,” Barry told Quartz in an email. “Previous to the piece I wrote this week, I did write one piece on monkeys while I covered Queens: A Taste of Baboon and Monkey Meat, and Maybe of Prison, Too.”
Yes, troops of monkeys can be spotted in many parts of the country. But it is hard to overlook the fact that the Times’ coverage of the subject has had the same tone for years now.
Nov. 14, 2007: Monkeys in the parks, monkeys in the palace
Sept. 29, 2010: Monkeys deployed to guard Indian games
May 22, 2012: Indians feed the monkeys, which bite the hand

The newspaper’s obsession with India’s fauna is not just limited to monkeys. From dogs and cows to snakes, few animals have been spared. In August 2012, the NYT published a piece on stray dogs titled, “Where streets are thronged with strays wearing fangs.”
Packs of strays lurk in public parks, guard alleyways and street corners and howl nightly in neighborhoods and villages. Joggers carry bamboo rods to beat them away, and bicyclists fill their pockets with stones to throw at chasers. Walking a pet dog here can be akin to swimming with sharks.”
The story elicited some sharp reactions from people on Twitter.
And there are stories on cows and snakes, too.
Not too long ago, this was the Times’ reaction to India’s historic Mars mission—the cheapest in the world.
The cartoon was deemed outright racist on social media and on several other publications—prompting the newspaper to issue an apology.
The newspaper clarified that it was not “trying to impugn India, its government or its citizens.” However, even the apology underlined the sentiments of the West when it wrote that the intent was to “highlight how space exploration is no longer the exclusive domain of rich, Western countries.”
In 2008, the NYT published an article about “cow-catchers” titled “Urban Cowboys Struggle With India’s Sacred Strays.” The author of the story, Jeremy Kahn, wrote:
“There is perhaps no more stereotypical image of India than that of a stray cow sauntering down the middle of a busy city street, seemingly oblivious to the traffic swerving around it.”
Towards the end, he mockingly informed the readers that: “…they rarely socialize outside of work. There are no cowboy bars in Delhi.”
To be sure, the Times is not the only foreign publication to fixate on India’s animals.
The Monkey Inspector’s Report has a handy list of some of the monkey stories published by the foreign press over the years. Los Angeles Times, South China Morning Post, The Independent—all of them have played their part.
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I was watching CNN news on Auschwitz holocaust on 70th anniversary, and was wondering why Russia and USA Prez were not there!

I think NRI community should get together for right reasons and ignore the naysayers. NRI community must work for better image of NRI community also afterall, and there will always be naysayers who can't wait to throw jibes at NRI community.
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Currently!! The total oil consumption by countries is
http://www.eia.gov/countries/index.cfm?view=consumption

USA = 18.5 million barrels per day
China = 10.28 million barrels per day
Europe = 9.00 million barrels per day
Japan = 4.73 million barrels per day
India = 3.62 million barrels per day
Russia = 3.20 million barrels per day
Iran+other = 3.00 million barrels per day
Saudi Arabia = 2.86 million barrels per day
Brazil = 2.81 million barrels per day
Canada = 2.28 million barrels per day
Mexico+rest of central america = 2.75 million barrels per day.
Africa = 2.00 million barrels per day
Australia/NZ = 1.5 million barrels per day
South America = 1 million barrels per day

What does it mean? The best bang of the buck for young engineers in India is to

1. Develop a cheap electric car (along with charging station)
2. start selling it all over the world especially to under-developed Africa (huge populations and no consumption of oil, these guys are still traveling on horses).
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